SlimeVR but EVEN BETTER? These are Eros Trackers!

[@Jacobfov]

I apologize if you see my middle fingers up at all, VRChat's new* skeletal input system makes it apparent I need to change how I'm gripping my controllers! *Wow, imagine if we had this years ago when skeletal input first became a standard. That would have been crazy!

[@LunarDude28]

I can see that these trackers are a pretty good option for those looking into IMU trackers, pretty good for what they offer by the looks of it

[@wasvreta]

"i just want my trackers bro 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂" being able to stack trackers to charge multiple at once is super cool, i'm into it

[@backinyourcommentsectionag3191]

Underrated as hell channel I definitely will be dropping by this one from time to time :3

[@ButterscotchV]

Great video as usual! I honestly like my official tracker extensions, I just hope the newer cables are in-fact better... My v1 cables lasted about 6 months or so. For the straps, I ended up 3D printing some strap hooks to make it easier to get on and off since I hated the velcro. The straps also just don't quite work for some people's bodies, so there's definitely a lot of improvement needed in general for them. There's some really neat development being done to improve Slimes in the future, so hopefully some of those issues can be fixed in later versions.

[@lovelysvrchat]

honestly makes me wish i bought these instead of waiting 2 years for officials with a whole screw lose, and the straps broke instantly

[@Jacobfov]

These haven't existed for super long, they've been out less than a year I believe

[@CinderTheSkulldog]

Well, I will say I have heard a lot about slime, but if these Eros trackers are basically the same but with a kind of better quality of life type of deal, then it's something I may check out in the future

[@shadowof2501]

been looking for standalone tracking for so long, so glad more alternatives are coming out

[@tauofthesun7446]

Problem I see is that using magnetic connectors means you cannot use the magnetometer for autocalibration/antidrift There are builders that use silicone wires with fully strain relieved.

[@Jacobfov]

Are there currently any Slime based trackers that make use of the magnetometer? I didn't know the firmware supported it

[@Code_String]

🤔 What I wonder about full trackers in bulk is that they can be spotty as they add up on a router's load from a couple of runs I've had and comments from the SlimeVR Discord. However, I can agree that not having to deal with AUX's a plus and in general, should probably be free when buying trackers based on something like BMI160s. Always had strange results if I went through the 10 tracker threshold while using my GT-AX6K for my Quest 2 and Slime setup. Would need to maybe run an extra router that's dedicated to Slime's to have the full picture or see if it does anything. At least if it does it means something like an AX55's a very small investment for more comfort.

[@Jacobfov]

I've personally never had an issue with it, but I do have the davolink minion 6e router which is surprisingly really competent for what it is. Running a second router just for Slimes is certainly an interesting idea though. You'd probably want the main router to be a 6e and the Slime router to just be a 2.4ghz network so you don't have overlapping channels. That being said I do believe Somatic is working on the ability to have the trackers connect with bluetooth, I just wonder how that will affect the latency. Right now the Slime server is saying I get around 1-5ms of latency which is pretty damn good.

[@julithething2154]

Zeni and ozi are made by the same guy, he just rebranded to avoid the backlash and his blacklist status from slime.

[@Jacobfov]

That makes sense. I really wish that world creators wouldn't advertise low quality trackers like that in their worlds

[@julithething2154]

@@Jacobfov Yeah, annoys me every time I see his ads since most people don't know that they absolutely should not buy them.

[@ventidgetv8931]

Yep, I repaired a few of zeni/ozi stuff in my discord. Outrageous pricing and scammy. Customers getting bmi 160s when instead of 270s etc.

[@Jacobfov]

@ventidgetv8931 what needs repaired on them? Is it just swapping out the IMUs for better ones or is the soldering trash?

[@ventidgetv8931]

@Jacobfov issues with extensions/ cables Cases literally falling apart (lids were loose) Incorrect firmware (customer could have messed with that part) Paid like 500$ for bmi 160s for 7+3 no straps or chargers They ended up buying my set 10 trackers Straps Go pro harness Charging station for half that.

[@unisonproto]

I have a Pico headset and the Pico trackers are coming out soon for £80/€90 which is a steal and they seem to perform similar to slime's but with estimation tech for the other body points. I might get a third for my hips as apparently that's possible too.

[@KiegKillsReality]

Not to mention the Pico Trackers also auto recalibrate when they come into view with the Pico headset's cameras which solves the drifting problem of regular IMU trackers. They will honestly prob be my next go to once I can get my hands on the money for them.

[@unisonproto]

@@KiegKillsReality I've seen videos of them now and they don't seem perfect but for the price I think it will be hard to complain

[@KiegKillsReality]

@@unisonproto I gotta agree! I think the price makes them absolutely worth it.

[@Projekt_Nightmare]

i want to buy enough for total full body, including ones on some vr gloves

[@Jacobfov]

Trackers like these ones aren't really accurate enough to be used for something like vr gloves or other controllers. They have no concept of where they actually are in physical space.

[@2ago]

Great video! The only additional guestions that i would have are that do the eros use the same software as slime does aka the servers and well is there a big difference on something like Drift and such? :D

[@Jacobfov]

Eros uses the slimevr server. The drift is about the same as on regular slimes since they use pretty similar IMUs

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Ordered my slimes in early March. 🙃 they just got pushed back for like the 4th time. Only by two weeks this time!

[@twurtles9414]

How often do they restock? i see that the pros are sold out 😢

[@flextapeadhesive]

I'm quite new to research regarding trackers, and I've been debating about getting slime for awhile but after watching I'm not sure what to do anymore, because according to one of my online friends their friend like 4 months back hated slime and had constant issues. I just want a cheap reliable option that isn't a gamble, and I've seen so many videos of people using slime but I'm never sure if I can trust it.

[@Jacobfov]

I’d recommend joining Slime’s discord and looking at videos regular people have posted of tracking quality

[@flextapeadhesive]

@@Jacobfov Since my previous message, I bought the official slime 5+0 set and plan to use my phone (OWOTRACKER) for the hips since that parts important as well. I'm labeled for shipment 11 and it could be here by November. It was thanks to you that I actually gained motivation to look into trackers again after hearing how much issues have been improved for the official slimes, such as how they now have new straps and cases that are better than before.

[@flextapeadhesive]

@@Jacobfov Since my previous message, I bought the official slime 5+0 set and plan to use my phone (OWOTRACKER) for the hips since that parts important as well. I'm labeled for shipment 11 and it could be here by November. It was thanks to you that I actually gained motivation to look into trackers again after hearing how much issues have been improved for the official slimes, such as how they now have new straps and cases that are better than before.

[@MooRai]

Will definitely look into this for sure, been using Official slimes and DIY ones for a while now. I broke one of my official ones a while back and the DIY trackers I made I used the cheapest possible boards for them so they desync very quickly. I like the idea that I can buy just one if I need just one versus with Slimes I'm forced to buy a whole set if I need just one. Thanks for the video! Definitely subbed

[@Jacobfov]

Yeah mixing trackers with different boards doesn't tend to go well. I believe Eros uses the same IMUs as official Slimes so mixing them should go fine. I've never had any problems with it at least.

[@MooRai]

@@Jacobfov sweet that's good to hear. Might look into them soon then

[@harurosech.4848]

The magnetic charging to the top is pretty neat, but buying 2 4-way USB-C splitters from aliexpress is a total of 3$. This probably is very expensive add-on for the end price. Also the price for these is criminal. 10 trackers from other slimevr sellers, with LSM or similar-performing chips comes to around 300$ for 10 slimes(e.g. gorbit), 5+3 extensions on occult, compared to 5. (if anyone reads this in 6 months-1 year it will be so outdated) Of course, most people just use 6 most of the time because you don't need elbows unless dancing, and having some on feet just hurts. The straps however are fantastic, I really want those for my own. Magnet-attaching too? Absolutely awesome. Note receiving it for free is being sponsored with owning the product, that's how it gets treated in any other industry, since you don't return it.

[@Jacobfov]

I think it's a little weird that you mention LSMs and then talk about two trackers using BMI270s (At least that's what both of their listings on the marketplace say). I personally don't know too much about LSM's but I've been told they're comparable to BNO085s, whereas BMI270s aren't. I've also heard that LSMs are still experimental so there's that. Really though the main difference to me is the fact that Eros doesn't use a 3D printed case. I will say Occult in specific seems to have a very high print quality, but even the highest quality 3D print can't match the quality of an injection molded part. The tradeoff is injection molding has a high startup cost, which is where I assume most of Eros's higher price per tracker comes from. SlimeVR has the advantage of producing trackers at a much larger scale than anyone else, so that price ends up evening out in the long run. And while I think 3D printing is great, I personally would never spend over 100 dollars on something that's 3D printed. It really just comes down to personal preference. Same with the charging cable situation. A lot of people prefer not to have 3000 different things plugged in on their desk/side table/wherever. Why else would anyone buy something like Mocopi or Axis over any type of Slime tracker other than for convenience and higher build quality. Really I think it's probably better to compare Eros to those two products, especially Axis. Eros has a motor inside of them, and in the future plan to support haptic feedback like Axis does. I just didn't mention that in this video since it isn't a feature yet. In 6+ months Eros will have another revision out. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up using LSMs in a future revision if they prove to be better, but right now there isn't really a ton of data about them. They aren't even listed on the IMU comparison in Slime's docs. Really the great thing about SlimeVR trackers is the amount of options to choose from, and as long as you aren't buying the shitters advertized in VRChat worlds there's really no wrong or bad choice. And for that last part, yeah, that's why the video is marked as a paid promotion and a disclaimer pops up when you start the video. I will say though, there's definitely a difference between being paid to show something off and being sent something to honestly review it. The former usually force you to use an approved script while the latter does not.

[@SpringChickensOnlyMan]

How’s the drift in these trackers? How often will that happen?

[@Jacobfov]

Around every 45 minutes to an hour in my experience

[@SpringChickensOnlyMan]

@@Jacobfov Yeah thought it was important to bring that up since IMUs drift a lot and begin sliding off the screen

[@Noa15Lv]

Guess i'll stick to the OG vive ones. Third party ones are on question mark, shipping time + cost to an 3rd world country.

[@Trace_AlChrom]

Their is one issue i see in your vid. you marked the pro for 300 and the core for 500 when it is the pro is 500 and the core for 300. Other then that thanks for this vid getting myself a set.

[@CorruptedJester]

I don't mean to be invasive but I noticed that Somatic VR is from Denmark - supposedly, atleast that's what it says when I look it up, anyway, are you Danish by any chance? or european? (I come from Denmark and have been wanting to buy good tracking)

[@Jacobfov]

I'm pretty sure they're based out of Seattle Washington

[@CorruptedJester]

@@Jacobfov Ah okay, I must’ve just been misinformed then, thanks.

[@Dragonlovermaniak]

It's nice to see a fellow dragon! Hello! I sub because you are dragon!

[@cynder831]

Nice show best like tracking

[@andreasmeow452]

Oooo the new avi is pretty kool!!

[@Jacobfov]

I've been using it for a few months now lol, just my first time recording a youtube video with it!

[@andreasmeow452]

@@Jacobfov ah I see lol, is nice!

[@Hal_Crabar]

But what about the set up?

[@Jacobfov]

Unfortunately the same setup as regular SlimeVR, so kinda tedious. But once you have them setup you don't have to mess with any of that ever again unless you switch what device you're running the server on.

[@FIV5FING5Rs]

AND......... It's sold out.

[@Jacobfov]

You can put a pre-order in for 10 dollars for when the next batch starts shipping which should be soon

[@rockylloty3523]

Choose heavy metal sign or fu** u sign

[@senpai_mangue6141]

honestly, i dont mind how annoying a process and basic tracking is all id need as ive got no dancing skill but i can agree that these eros trackers seem to be way better but at a cost of course. the charging issue with slim VR... my cables are already a mess Just Saying extension cables, adapters going into multiple things like 'crap', i even got an unused wii sensor bar chilling, taped to the bottom of my monitor going to my face tracking adapter💀(usb splitter, one side is data other side is power)

[@connorgmz]

The pricing for slime like trackers? no thanks lol

[@PandaTrackers]

ripping on crowd supply slimes is becoming a trend :D Good we have 3rd party slimes addressing all the issues from extensions to charging and cheap straps. :)

[@andreasmeow452]

yey is the sillie dragon again uwu

[@Lutrine-b8c]

guess i'm canceling my order then LOL

[@huntsman9316]

0:17 MONTHS!? I had to wait 3 YEARS for mine 😂😂😂 y’all need to be patient

[@zeke7100]

Based on my friend, the slime vr need severe updates to their software, because it's basically non-working. Constant issues with ghost trackers existing (meaning, all his trackers aren't enabled, but the software insists that everything is), not being able to do partial body and being forced to do full body, etc. It was really just a pain and I don't think he got it working in the end.

[@Jacobfov]

I don't think I quite understand the problem? How is it an issue that full body trackers are making you do full body tracking? Certain trackers have to be enabled for the skeleton model to function. Ghost trackers used to be a problem, but as far as I know those have been fixed both in firmware and software for well over a year now. What kind of trackers was your friend using? Official slimes or something else?

[@zeke7100]

@@Jacobfov What I mean is that, lets say you don't want to setup 7 point tracking and just want 3 point. Well, the software doesnt like that and insists that 7 point is the only option and even shows that there is 7 trackers operating despite only 3 being on.