SLIP TEST - SYNCRO vs 4MOTION - Volkswagen T3 vs T4 vs T5 vs T6 - Caravelle - @4x4.tests.on.rollers

[@BackpackersRomania]

nice video guys! I own a T3 syncro and a T5 4motion with rear difflock. T3 has the advantage of the front , rear lock and a good ground clearance , but not so much engine power . T5 4motion with rear diff lock has a much better engine power but the ground clearance is lower . If I had to choose only one of them I will go with T5 . It's much easier to rise the ground clearance on a T5 , than changing the engine on a T3 to have the power that you need ( legal upgrades ).

[@captainevenslower4400]

1:42 neat thing to notice here and after: What helped the T4 there is its "electronic differential lock" which uses the abs sensors to brake the front wheel wich doesn't have traction in order to send power to the wheel that has. Might not be as effective as a mechanical differential locker, but it can help you out greatly as shown here

[@Burnman83]

This is undeniably the case for the T5 and T6, but are you sure this is already the case for the T4? For me it looks like this is rather good luck for the T4 and your comment reflects what happens in the T5/6. Interesting to see in the last test that this system seems to work better in the T5 than it does in the T6.

[@captainevenslower4400]

@@Burnman83 for T4s that were equipped with ABS and ESP it is most certainly the case. Although those features were not implemented until the very last model years.

[@Burnman83]

@@captainevenslower4400 I did not even know there had been T4s with ESP. ABS yes, but ESP is a surprise for me :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@Burnman83It's not good luck but EDL intervention. Here's another T4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpDUZHadebGtaZI

[@captainevenslower4400]

@@Burnman83 yes, was only introduced in 2000, came standard only for the V6, and was an option j for just the larger diesels.

[@4G12]

The mechanical performance superiority of the T3 is undeniable. That said, if someone could fit good driver switchable diff locks to the T6, one will have the ideal setup.

[@garyzhang5099]

Isn’t t6 got optional rear diff lock

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@garyzhang5099 It does, cost is about 1000 Euro.

[@grrkaa8450]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers which is only 2% of the car's price...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@grrkaa8450 I think it's even cheaper now.

[@HellenicVanagonTheSyncroHeresy]

Please, let me to add something more. The t3 has a “gelande”, (extremely short), gear for rock crawling and vertical walls overcoming. In a test like this it is not counting, although is tremendously important and has to do with the engine torque and the way it is distributed through the kinetic chain. Another aspect, unique for the t3, is the front, (optional), locker which, cannot be compared to the EDL, for the off road, the other models have, since it can feed, if it is needed, just the one front wheel, with 100% power, smoothly and without the clicking effect of the EDL, which EDL, transfers torque in a very limited portion. This limitation is not obvious in this test but is real under off road loading. The VCT of the t3 is unique, also, since is protected into a cell and it is liquid cooled, a really heavy duty VCT, BUT just for the front wheels. And here is another superiority of the t3, since, when loaded, the power is needed to the rear axle mainly, where the load is, especially when there is an obstacle. The t3, and only the t3, has gears to drive the rear axle where the others have “soft” solutions, VCT or, especially, HALDEX, (t5, t6). For the t3, the rear axle is the primary, another heavy duty structure, superior to any other member of the test, and the front axle is the secondary, best schedule for a, heavy duty, military tool, 4x4 car. Here is a comparison between the t3 SYNCRO VCT and HALDEX: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/vs-t5-4motion-haldex.html Syncro HUMP phenomenon, and why the Syncro VCT is capable to transfer from 5% up to 100% of power, at demand, smoothly, without vibrations, at any speed, without limits, without service, (or with very limited, in worst case scenario), (no, HALDEX cannot): www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_5.html Now, both Syncros, the t3 and the t4, may use their handbrake to lock the rear differential in the case the rear locker is not available. And you now something? When you engage the handbrake you brake the 4 wheels simultaneously! Very useful as a hill descent control for the t3 and the t4! The t4, with the exception of the, optional, rear locker, has the same Syncro system as the passenger Syncros have, the year 1988 after, (b5 Syncro excluded, it is a Quattro). And it has an extra free wheel structure, which stabilizes the car under heavy braking. Both, t3 and t4, may lock the rear and the front differentials, just by applying their brakes: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_88.html (Few facts about the superb passive safety the t3 has: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html). The Syncro Heresy

[@m80116]

This doesn't automatically make me crave a T3, they're incredibly expensive to buy these days and even when in good conditions they command high maintenance and the engine never lasted very much. But it's easy to see why they've been so popular and are still so much sought after today: it's like an alpine ibex, it is able to climb where no other van (and most vehicles) wouldn't even dare.

[@dan.h210]

You wouldn't want to crash in one (t3) though..

[@mauritsbuskens6595]

@@dan.h210 they are actually really safe. Look it up

[@vojtaprazma]

@@mauritsbuskens6595 Well compared to a T4 or T5-T6.1 the T3 cannot compare in the standard crashtest - there simply is not the mass of the engine and crash zones to protect the driver+passenger.

[@Mattlawton-ft6ew]

T3💩🤣👍

[@kazimierzwrona727]

Mechanical AWD is better off-road, however on the slipery road central diff with visco and engine in the back makes it... demanding.😀

[@jimded]

Generally all perform well.

[@farmer7596]

I think it's worth mentioning that Diff Locks were not a standard equipment of the T3! This means there are also T3 Syncros out there with just one rear diff lock or even completely without! On the other hand, for T4 and T5 and T6 you could order a rear diff lock as an option too!

[@insomniasessions-pt2dz]

I have been told (didn't verify) that sadly enough you can not order a new T6.1 with rear diflock for a while now (in Europe)...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@insomniasessions-pt2dz kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWq1o3htg7SKf6s

[@angelosvarvarousis2986]

certain T4s were also built with rear dif lock. This would make a big change in the test. It is a pity that he chose one without this feature.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Here's our test of T4 with rear diff lock: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpDUZHadebGtaZI

[@angelosvarvarousis2986]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you very very much! It seems that T4 with edl is really capable..

[@mrAudisubaru]

T6 should perform exactly the same as T5 with those electronic diff lock which use abs usually more throtle the better result. AlsoT4, T5,T6 come optional with rear diff lock simmilar to T3.

[@kaparapsekiel6300]

The 4 Motion seems good in the high speed but may be not suited for low speed usability where 4 Wheel drive-ability is required, syncro on the other hand seem pretty sure footed when locks are engaged... For off-roading, synchro wins...

[@ПавелСекретный]

Надо понимать, что превосходство Т3 на бездорожье ровно такое же как превосходство Т6 на скоростной трассе. С тем же комфортом на Т3 незлья проехать 1000 км по хайвею, или пронестись по горному серпантину. Каждая машина для своей стихии.

[@zygmuntzarzecki]

190 wyświetleń, pewnie wszyscy właściciele :)

[@Fensterbrett]

For the T4s Test at 6:12 you could have tried Reverse Gear, the T4s rear Diff locks automatically when reversing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It didn't have diff lock at all. This one did: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpDUZHadebGtaZI

[@mkm2485]

Old school is the best...

[@robpeabo509]

The T3 out performed all the VW vans, albeit with more driver intervention regarding selecting the appropriate diff to lock. It also did it with less strain on the drive train. The key thing is to remember to disengage the diff lock{s}. when no longer required. I was expecting the T3 to be the winner. No fancy electronics or utilising the ABS.

[@Kobluk]

But without the diff lock it would not perform that well, you could also opt in for rear diff locks in all T versions and T5 got out from all situations without it.

[@robpeabo509]

@@Kobluk I agree without the diff locks it would not perform that well, however it does have the diff locks, and once locked it was able to move with far less effort and strain on the drivetrain. The T5 did very well, however it relies on the traction aids to "brake" the wheels that are slipping so the drive can go to the wheel(s) with traction. These systems can overheat, or slip whereas the diff locks can't. I am not against traction aids, my own LR3 has them, and it is great. I am making an observation about which vehicle performed better in my opinion with the aids it has.

[@setona1]

@@robpeabo509 very good appreciation

[@paulodendaal9670]

Impossible without diff locks on T3

[@trotenhaim3389]

Would like to see MB Vito generation and duel with Transporter

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We are trying to find Vito...

[@aleksanderrozycki9295]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Witam. Posiadam Viano 4matic (Vito 4x4)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@aleksanderrozycki9295 Witam, zapraszam na test 🙂 Skąd jesteś?

[@aleksanderrozycki9295]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Gostynin, ale będę w okolicach Rzeszowa w czwartek - piątek.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@aleksanderrozycki9295 Niestety nie będzie nas w Rzeszowie w tych dniach 😐 Czwartek wchodzi w grę, ale bardziej na wschód - Jarosław.

[@sherbet24]

So, diff lock means everything (front&rear)

[@icix01]

Would like to see reversing also.

[@vicbauwens]

Interesting to see the side by side comparison, but a difflock version of any generation would take these obstacles just as easily as the T3 did. What this basically shows is that you need a difflock to go off-road, period. T3 is superior in the sense of having 2 difflocks

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We did test T4 and T6 with diff lockers, you can find the videos on our channel.

[@HellenicVanagonTheSyncroHeresy]

Nice video!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks!

[@micabi3668]

Please test comparable configurations. T4 was available with rear diff lock. And a 20year old syncro clutch closes much later than it was new.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@micabi3668 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpDUZHadebGtaZI kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWq1o3htg7SKf6s

[@TheHunter0077]

How long is the gap between the both shafts of each roller (centrum of rotation axis to the other centrum of rotation axis)? Thx for a short reply

[@jungleguybest]

I take the T3 for me, thanks 😊

[@setona1]

we need a t3

[@RomainBads]

ok now i want a T3 !!!

[@luciustitius]

Next time choose a T6 with a looking rear differential. Big difference.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If we only find it...

[@luciustitius]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers You can order it for a new one for about 1k extra. Retrofitting one is expensive though.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@luciustitius I meant "if we only find a T6 with rear diff lock". Yes I know it is optional when you are buying new T6 but we didn't meet anyone who bought it.

[@nickmassey9193]

I have one in Wroclaw. Welcome to bring the rollers

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@nickmassey9193 We'll be in Wrocław in two weeks, please contact us via Facebook.

[@suyuanxie8022]

So Syncro AWD is very different from Haldex, right? Does T4 use Haldex?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Syncro is mechanical. T4 uses viscous coupling.

[@suyuanxie8022]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I see

[@kc0lif]

synchro works

[@oleksandrdemchyshyn2452]

Комерційні авто дорогі і мають великий пробіг

[@Bai_L]

What do those green dots mean for T3? It looks to me that they are diff-locks. It's surprising that T3 is equipped with three diff-locks.

[@marcingruba7391]

Just as you think, diff locks.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It's equipped with two diff locks - front and rear.

[@marcingruba7391]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers więc jak on daje radę ruszyć z jednym kołem jak nie ma środkowej blokady?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@marcingruba7391 Wiskoza spina.

[@Bai_L]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers WOW!!! That's hard core offroad capability!

[@tomekkat6081]

T3 to prawdziwa terenówka z silnikiem z tyłu. Pozostałe to takie Suvy z dużym nadwoziem. T3 ma blokady i w pełni mechaniczny napęd 4x4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

T4 też ma mechaniczny napęd, w opcji z blokadą tylnego dyfra: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJvKgK2OgqadoK8

[@tomekkat6081]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Fakt, co nie zmienia sytuacji że T3 mógł mieć 3 blokady, centralną i na osiach, dużo większy prześwit od nowszych braci.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@tomekkat6081 Z tą blokadą centralną to nie tak do końca - mógł mieć albo wisko (jak testowany egzemplarz) albo sztywno dopinaną przednią oś.

[@szejkmolo]

Największy zaskoczeniem był ostatni test 😮 t5 lepiej poradził sobie od t6 🧐 ciekawe ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Może taka konfiguracja sugeruje, żeby dokupić blokadę tylnego dyfra...

[@An.Individual]

Interesting to note how the earliest (T3) arguably outperformed later generations. Is that how progress is supposed to work?

[@m80116]

Yes. It always worked that way in everything. You trade off precision and effectiveness for convenience. The T3 is the pinnacle of mechanical traction engineering. Today we could technically do better but you'll never see that in an end user product, just in specialized solutions, perhaps for a race or other specialty vehicles.

[@antonfloor344]

They also have they slogan “fursprung dur techniek”🤣🤣🤣

[@An.Individual]

@@antonfloor344 isn't that Audi? Vorsprung durch Technik

[@luciustitius]

It’s way different when your T6 has a rear locking diff.

[@nelson4483]

@@An.Individual It is Audi

[@АлександрВолкодав-п1г]

Это в Т-4 так сцепление щелкает?

[@Qspecialman]

Is that it?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What do you mean?

[@psps2484]

Ha ha 😅 T3 the best!

[@ИванАхлебинин]

А почему не включили заднюю блокировку на т5/т6?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Cause they didn't have it.

[@ИванАхлебинин]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers странно, я думал на всех калифорниях задняя блокировка идёт с завода в комплектации. Видимо это не заводские калифорнии. В общем из видео можно сделать вывод, что блокировка решает все проблемы :). Спасибо за проделанную работу, очень интересно.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ИванАхлебинин Rear diff locker is optional in T6, it costs about 1000 Euro.

[@ИванАхлебинин]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers я имел ввиду именно Калифорнию. Так знаю что бывают т5, т6 без блокировок, у самого caravella т5.1 на полном приводе без блокировки. Думаю что в реальных условиях, тяжёлому автобусу если она понадобится, то все равно придется идти за трактором :)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ИванАхлебинин All true 🙂 Soon we will test T6 with rear diff lock. And here's our test of T4 with rear diff lock: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpDUZHadebGtaZI

[@silviuflorescu6838]

So, the EDL on the rear wheels at T5 and T6 was optional? T5 got traction on the single rear wheel, T6 didn't.. strange.. I didn't know they put them in the back too, only in front.. Also.. the T4 had EDL on the front? Didn't know 🤔

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

They have TC at the rear but the effectivness is not the same...

[@colinkensley]

Why do you show the stability control on and off in the video, it makes no difference to traction control, they are different programs...traction control is always on can not be turned off

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There's no rule for that. Sometimes traction control goes off together with ESP, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it switches to different intervention level etc.