Call it D&D 2024 - Lazy RPG Talk Show

D&D and RPG news and commentary by Mike Shea of slyflourish.com
Video Contents
00:00 Show Start
01:26 D&D & RPG News: D&D 2024 Core Book Release Dates
03:58 Commentary: Call the New Books "D&D 2024"
06:47 D&D & RPG News: D&D 2024 on Roll20
08:41 D&D & RPG News: Humblewood on D&D Beyond
16:43 D&D & RPG News: How D&D Began Video
20:56 Patreon Spotlight: Best of Sly Flourish 2013-2023
27:30 DM Tip: Different Steps for Different Circumstances
40:45 Patreon Question: Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands Campaign
44:27 Patreon Spotlight: A Player's Version of Forge of Foes. Forge of Heroes?
49:52 Patreon Question: Favorite Three RPG Mechanics
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D&D 2024 Core Book Release Dates
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Humblewood
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D&D 2024 on Roll20
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How Dungeons & Dragons Started Video
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Choosing the Right Steps from the Lazy DM Checklist
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Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands
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[@chrishall5440]

I’m much more interested in the history of D&D than its future. I run D&D1974 presently. That’s the game that’s the most fun for me. I know most people are looking at the Making of D&D book as a historical artifact book, but to me, it contains the rules I still use.

[@danielclark-hughes692]

It's 5.5e

[@frankwilliams4086]

I would love for the books to be branded as the 50th anniversary edition (D&D 50 for short).

[@Hallinwar]

d&d 50k

[@TheAdventureMilk]

5.5e sounds about right.

[@74gould]

I think 5.5 will end up being the winner. It just makes the most sense, and is way easier to say than D&D 2024.

[@nightlight-zero]

I really like your “D&D 2014 and D&D 2024 both use 5e” as though they’re two different games both using PbtA. I also really love watching your prepping the game videos. As helpful as your Q&A sections are, watching a lot of those has been more beneficial to my prep process than anything else you’ve put out.

[@HyperEwok1]

just call it 5.5E, man it's not like it's a radical concept when 3.5E is -the- defining RPG

[@WallyDM]

I think we are going to see a lot more systems using 5E as their base going forward, much like ToV. For a name... I am on board with DnD24 or DnD 5.5. Either one works.

[@Hallinwar]

All I need is publicly-available SRDs coming with such releases, project Black Flag is a way to go

[@searchforsecretdoors]

I think WotC is going to call it D&D 2024, so I agree, this is exactly what we should call it. I will gladly plant my flag with you, Mike.

[@self-transforming_machine-elf]

it's 5.5

[@AtillaBuyukurvay]

I’d call it D&D 5.50-cause it’s a half edition, and it’s the 50th anniversary of the game. But they’ll just call it D&D, I guess…

[@SeldonnHari]

I've recently been thinking about how Devils Bargain from Blades in the Dark is a subtly better mechanic than clocks and flashbacks. It's a mechanic that encourages players to be their own GMs and help you inject interesting things into play.

[@Nolinquisitor]

So that would be: edition, edition, edition, edition, date, date? That doesn't pass the legacy nomenclature logic. It should be either 5.5 or 6th Edition.

[@Deep_Freeze_DF]

I personally use the Outline Potential Scenes section in your Notion session template to paraphrase and re-summarize stuff from the published adventures I'm running and smashing together. That way all my important notes on how things are connected or flow together continue week to week and keeps everything in a somewhat neat place (albeit with extensive use of collapsible toggles, check boxes, etc.). Definitely the least "Lazy" section of the way I do prep, but it's proven very helpful with running my online games and keeping everything straight in my head or quickly accessible in one section of the session notes.

[@hanno4095]

My top three mechanics: Pushed rolls from call of cthulhu, just works great as a devil's bargain and natural solution to the "try again" problem Luck from call of cthulhu, works equally fine as a devil's bargain and makesthe players the judges of their own fate Boons and banes which can stack, many systems. I don't like the binary way advantage works. Boons and banes are equally intuitive, but are better at reflecting the situation in the game

[@GateKeeperPat]

Was hoping for some Weird Wizard coverage with the latest releases. Are you waiting for the physical copy to discuss?

[@SlyFlourish]

I got it like a day ago. It’s only for sale today.

[@Kralizec888]

I wrote about Weird Wizard above, but didn’t notice this till now. Would love to see talk about the path system, the health-damage mechanic, the spell traditions, the casting system, the initiative system and how they compare to other systems including 5e. Many thanks.

[@GateKeeperPat]

@@Kralizec888 The health-damage mechanic I really enjoy, even though it took me reading it a few times to understand.

[@Kralizec888]

I think it’s really inventive. If you think of damage as endurance it puts it in perspective. You gain damage in combat and get it back daily, but you can loose Heath and it lowers the bar and is harder to get back. Like potentially losing at the top and bottom. Works great for simulating longer term wounds. I’m enthusiastic for it. Looks great too.

[@GateKeeperPat]

@@Kralizec888 The bonus damage portion of the game also melts my brain a little. XD

[@RodrigoKuerten]

Also, big vouch on the DMs Guild Adept opinion!

[@Terrain_Craft_Chronicles]

I actually use the eight steps in my D&D game but also my Alien campaign from Free League, it transfers perfectly well with little tinkering!

[@Kralizec888]

I apologize if this is not exactly on topic, but will you be reviewing Shadow of the Weird Wizard by Rob Schwalb. You promoted the Kickstarter some months ago. I see the Player’s Guide - (Shadow of the Weird Wizard) is out today and the Game Master’s Guide (Secrets of the Weird Wizard) is out soon. I would love for you to do a full review. Many Thanks!

[@genkakoza]

I think it is a good thing that they add things do DnD beyond. I am quite new to the game and i did not know Humblewood existed untill i saw video on DnD Beyond youtube chanel. got curious and went to invstigate and found whole new world. If not DnD Beyond I would never know

[@lonic123]

thanks

[@ItsMrFresh]

I like Mike's takes and advice for dnd. I listen to these videos as a sort of comfort show, easy weekly listening while doing errands. I only play dnd so even though i dont really care what they call it, ill listen to anything dnd related from Mike. Not so much headlines that are completely unrelated to dnd

[@agilemonk6305]

I’ve run with as much as 12. But ran a group for two straight with 10 in person

[@nickroth1906]

For DnDBT Joe, I don't know if it covers your mechanical question as much but take a moment to look at the Avatar: The Last Airbender RPG too. IIRC it asks players to consider what they learned at the end of each session to grant some XP or something like that.

[@RodrigoKuerten]

Another "unlit candle" from WOTC is that they haven't published the SRD in all languages were D&D got official support (Polish, Brazilian Portuguese, I think Japanese as well).

[@superpheemy]

I want to say that the 2014 books came out separately (I have a vague recollection of waiting for the DMG). But I'm pretty sure it was August of 2014.

[@theyellowninjadude]

You’re right the 2014 players handbook came out in August 2014. The monster manual was October 2014, and the DMG was scheduled for November and was delayed until December 2014.

[@superpheemy]

@@theyellowninjadude WOOO! Mah memory is just as good as ever!

[@Warhamster55]

I got my Monster Manual at GenCon 2014, before it was officially released. Mike Mearls handed it to me at the special event at GenCon. So yes I remember it. But your point is well taken. Do it right. Sorry for the big layoffs at WOTC.

[@richardgilson4704]

I think they should call it Anniversary edition I don't see them not pulling another refresh of the core books without using the very marketable 50th anniversary in the cover art and promo material.

[@gedece]

I'd add the high aspect and Problem from Fate Core, FAE and Fate Condensed to character creation of D&D. If you can justify how that aspect interacts with the situation in a good way, you roll with advantage. If the master can justify the situation is relevant for your problem, roll with disavantage. Now, the master may interpret your high concept to introduce a problem, and that would be disavantage. And if you can spin anything positive from your problem, advantage. For example, to keep it tematic with D&D High Concept Charismatic Elven Dual Wielder Ranger Problem: I really hate big cities.

[@superpheemy]

I'm at the very beginning of the vid, so your proposed 2024 D&D name hasn't been revealed yet. But I think HasbotC has a perfect opportunity to call this release the "Gold Edition" D&D.

[@rippedjack1]

Hi Mike, have you ever considered playing or reviewing Pathfinder 2e? It would be awesome to hear your thoughts on that system!

[@wirelesstkd]

He's talked about it. His general feelings are that he doesn't really love it, feels it's too crunchy a system for his tastes, but he's happy it exists to serve people who want that kind of play. He's not saying Pathfinder is bad, just that it wasn't for him.

[@Channel-ww1od]

I thought everyone collectively decided this was going to just be called 5.5e because it's just a 'rule refresh'

[@Nanenroe]

Feeling rather nerdy here, but your 2013-2023 PDF looks like it was made in LaTeX.

[@SlyFlourish]

Yep!

[@donwebster9292]

I dont remember when they got released but I know there was a long gap.

[@CarlZilla]

Just call the new one D&D 5e Revised

[@conmacmara2743]

‘it’s not 6e but you do need new books.’ wtf

[@emirefli]

D&D 5.5E Enhanced 50th Aniversary Unearted Essentials Director’s Cut Edition 2024.5. D&D5.5EE50AUEDCE2024.5 for short All the snark aside, unless Hasbro come up with a new name I’m gonna go with 5e 24 or 5e Update. Four syllable max regardless

[@Deadshot15]

D&D 5e Revised DND5eR

[@user-xy6bd1qu9u]

Hello, Mike! I'm watching all through 2023 and until now. I agree with lots of your opinions, but I don't understand whole concept of "5E" = D&D 2014 and games based on it, cause we have lots of other systems, which have 5 or more editions which are not alike D&D 2014: World of Darkness, Castles and Crusades, Tunnels and Trolls, Shadowrun, etc.

[@emirefli]

The same reason people mean USA when they say America, even though America is the name of the continents. More talked about one gets the name Both are a pet peevee of mine, but I feel like that Simpsons “Old man yell at cloud” meme 😅

[@KnuthMaestro]

Okay, but i have to say that D&D 2024 is kinda infuriating because at least one of the books is not releasing until 2025. I honestly think they should lean harder into the anniversary and call it D&D 50th Anniversary Edition.

[@danrimo826]

It's coming out in 2025 yeah? So call it 2025e

[@andymeechan3924]

Players Handbook is September 2024 and DMG is slatedfor November

[@nick-qb5wu]

Life would be so much easier if we just agreed that it’s 5.5E

[@MilieuGames]

D&D 5.1 pronounced "DnD Five One"

[@rhd3tuba]

I like 5e and 5ae (or 5th "Anniversary" Edition)

[@Finniganmydog]

I will call it “WOTC DnD”.

[@tslfrontman]

13:02 another sad way it changed the landscape; Black Flag/Tales of the Valiant is now just assumed to be another DnD clone, rather than the stand-alone thing it started as (literally a black flag of nonconformity)

[@thunderflight6266]

Mike . . . if you would just drop the words "I worry" and what you follow them with, your podcast would be 1/3 shorter to listen to. WotC has done enough damage to themselves first by their recent times of pandering to a niche group of players and then later with the OGL debacle. No need to kick that near dead horse. When the majority of your commentary is about what WotC is doing that you disagree with and how it effects others it does indeed seem self serving and with a bias towards you and your clique. I've listened to your podcast for a good amount of time and think you have *the best* GMing advice anywhere. Your Q&A and general guidance is imo the best thing about your podcast. Please, more of that and product spotlights. And by all means put over your products because they are very good. I hope you'll consider spending less time tearing down others' buildings and more time on building your own.

[@thactotum]

the habit of D&D to not edition number the editions annoys me. I have copies of older edition books I have to look at the publishing date and consult a publishing timeline to know what editions their content is compatible with. If they are changing things like level of taking subclass, CR rating, feats, exhaustion, etc... and if it doesn't make sense to have one player playing a half orc from 2014, with a subclass from something in the last 5 years, while somebody else is playing a 2024 halforc with the new subclasses from the new core books, without making more work for the dm... it's either a new edition or at the very least a new half edition. D&D can call it whatever they want I guess, but when it comes to the table and game setup It's been a decade of fifth edition, what comes next is not just fifth edition with a different date, and sure as beholders have eyes I'm not retroactively changing fifth edition to be 2014. everything else you refer to as 5e is either 5e compatible or a 5e variant, they don't get to claim the colloquial identity of the thing they derive from. Level up 5e isn't the fifth edition of anything, it's a first edition of variations to the fifth edition of D&D even if wizards never called it that, that is what we refer to it as at the table. And it is where LvL up 5e chose the name it would call itself by. it could have just as easily been called level up D&D, or level up 2014 edition, but it's not it's level up 5e.

[@nicholasharris4306]

You make a very "heads I win, tails you lose" situation. You're saying WotC putting 3rd party stuff on D&D Beyond is bad as it draws them to monopolising that website. But, if they never do it, then they're not giving people a chance of being on a large and popular platform.

[@christofferbacka6597]

D&D 25. As it will get delayed

[@josephtriplett8533]

I just don't understand how ignorant WotC is. "WE" already know that the new core rulebooks are not compatible with 5e, despite their claim. There's power creep for sure. Players are going to constantly be referring to which rules are you playing? And there is no easy reference. So WotC has left it up to the consumers of D&D to decide what it will be called. And just made it confusing for everyone. Eventually, WotC wil have to adopt SOMETHING to differentiate, and they may end up adopting whatever all the players have decided to refer to the changed/new rulebooks as. What a mess. Apparently their marketing and branding teams have just thrown their hands up and have decided they will not have control over this situation.

[@FamBoren]

I agree with the idea that D&D 2024 is a good name, BUT 5e is still D&D to me. There are other systems that use the D&D 5e mechanics, and that is fine. They are ToV etc, but they are not 5e to me. The fith edition is the fifth edition of Dungeons & Dragons.

[@OthEdden]

I still like 5th Revisited, 5th Revised, 5th Reintroduced… 5RE for shirt

[@NamiStuff]

So people don't want D&D Beyond to be a walled garden where only WOTC official products are available and everything is closed up to 3rd parties because then D&D Beyond becomes the defacto store but, at the same time, people don't wat D&D Beyond to include too many 3rd party products because then D&D Beyond becomes the defacto store... I'm sensing an issue here.

[@Hacker-at-Large]

I’m unconcerned because I won’t be buying them. Hasbro is evil.

[@timcox3856]

5e *is* 2014 D&D. It's been that for a decade. I don't think it makes sense to rename it. Just give the new edition a name. Given historical version names, 5.5e is what the new version should be called. That's how it was handled back the 3e era. That's how it was handled back in the 4e era. That pattern has worked for decades, and it works perfectly now!

[@ichifish]

The ttrpg space is like a Cthulhuesq god: DnD is an ancient, misbegotten agglomeration of rules, its flailing tentacles and thousand eyes awesome and horrible, continually birthing indie rpgs and re-absorbing them, everything transmogrifying in response to tech and the playerbase, terrible and infinite.

[@taterenforth6433]

Dude, we've been through this before. It's d&d 5.5. Anything they've said otherwise is just marketing speak. Everything you spoke about is true with 3.0 and 3.5, and it's a lot easier to understand "we play 5.5" (updated rules for 5th edition) then "we play d&d 24" (the 24th edition? Came out in 2024?)

[@georgecook83]

5.5 Ohh…no. I don’t agree at all. 5e is d&d. The other games have their own names.

[@CyberSkelly817]

D&D 20k

[@michaelpinkston2602]

Lol, Tales of the Valiant will be out before them. Wotc can take as long as they want. I still won't buy them.

[@jancarlmatysiak4354]

DnD 6e But the editions are compatible... no big deal look at mtg.

[@TonyRobetson]

i think trying to separate 5e from dnd is such a massive uphill battle with no real benefit. people have been calling the current version of dnd, 5e for years, including non wotc creators. if im talking about non-wotc 5e products ill use their brand name. that's the point of brands. calling them 5e feels like that makes them generic dnd because of how closely the term 5e is associated with dnd. they are already riding the coattails of wotc, why make it so explicit? ive never heard anyone say, wow 5e is such a great system ill use it to make a new game. it's usually 5e is super popular if we want to make any money we better make a 5e compatible version too or we love dnd a lot, lets make our own settings and supplements for the current version.

[@dmshannon69]

Am I the only one getting sick and tired of this 'how are we going to call the new DND' drama? It's ridiculous, who even cares about it? Maybe it still generates clicks...

[@EdwinSteiner]

It's the least interesting topic in TTRPGs right now but it's also the one thing Hasbro accidentally got right during last year: they get free marketing due to the naming confusion.

[@Chomp-Rock]

It's One D&D 5e.5 advanced Dragons and Dungeons.

[@ItsMrFresh]

Definitely gets clicks. People who are obsessed with dnd news will want to hear dnd news, as opposed to all the non dnd news that is I reckon not as popular

[@vampirelogan]

​@@Chomp-Rockyou forgot the 2024/5/6 on the end! 😂

[@emirefli]

You definitely are not. The only thing of interest there is how Hasbro is dropping the ball with marketing these days

[@dylank7732]

I refuse to say D&D 2024, too much of a mouthful to repeat it so often. 5.5 is the way to go. There is already precedent with 3rd and 3.5 having already existed in a similar manner. Why change the naming convention now?

[@SavantApostle]

I think the books are God awful dm tools and advice. Hopefully nobody will use them, I think power creep is starting to get out of control and all new books do is make it worse. But I do like them supporting 3rd party content.