Small Amp, Big Cab? 15-Watt Amp With 1x12, 2x12 & 4x12 Speaker Cabs - That Pedal Show

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In this video we take a popular ’small’ guitar amp - Fender Bassbreaker 15 1x12 (Celestion V-Type speaker), and put it through a couple of bigger extension cabinets, to see what we hear and feel.
The cabs are a Victory V212VC 2x12 (Celestion G12M Creambacks) and a Marshall 1960A 4x12 (Celestion G12M Greenbacks).
The settings for the Bassbreaker 15 amp are:
Lowest gain mode
Gain 10 o’clock
Bass 11 o’clock
Middle 11 o’clock
Treble 1 o’clock
Master 3 o’clock
Reverb varies
We also use a selection of OD pedals to see what they bring to the party. Towards the end, we go super low on the volume with a Z Vex Nano Head Tube Amp through the 4x12 and discuss how it sounds and feels.
Questions that will come up from people annoyed this isn’t a lab style A/B comparison…
Q: Why didn’t you use the same speaker types?
A: We don’t have that many of the same type, and the differences between them are just as interesting, we think.
Q: The amp is running at different impedances: surely that makes a big difference?
A: Yes it will. But... 412s and 212s are often different impedances from your amp's internal speaker.
Q: Two cabs are open back, one is closed - does that make a difference?
A: Certainly. And it will vary significantly depending on the size, shape and decoration of the room in which you’re playing.
Q: Why do this at all - a pointless and arbitrary comparison?
A: Maybe, but, ultimately there are no answers, only better questions and the point of all TPS videos is to arm you with some of the latter to spark some inspiration for your own tonal journey.
Mick’s post-ep thoughts…
“What we're hearing and feeling in the room was different from what the mics captured. We were both ‘struggling’ with the quietness and relative lack of headroom from the Bassbreaker, and the Z Vex Nanohead was super quiet. Yet when recorded, everything sounds big and full and fat - really good in fact!
“It underlines the frustrating old truth. As careful as we are with recording and mixing, KZbin videos really don't deliver the physical experience of actually being in the room. So… please get out there and try things, people - the tone will be familiar, but the actual physical experience of it may be very different!
Pedals in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
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• D’Addario Pedal Tuner
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• Wampler Pantheon
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• True North Tweed Drive
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• Z Vex Box Of Rock
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• NRG Kicker 5457
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• Dunlop EP-103 Echoplex
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• Keeley Eddie Heinzelman Verb O Trem
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• TheGigRig G2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 0:00
- What are we doing? 1:27
- Today’s amps: 2:04 (2:40)
- The reality of many modern stages: 5:04
- The Bassbreaker 15 base tone: 7:50
- Bassbreaker and BOR, Les Paul: 9:15
- … and PRS Silver Sky: 10:00
- Dan ponders the volume of acoustic drums: 10:50
- The Bassbreaker settings: 11:27
- Reverb? 12:00
- That guitar is LOUD! 12:50
- …ah, thats why: 13:37
- Z Vex Box Of Rock and volume lift: 15:50
- Easier to make small amps sound big when recorded? 16:25
- True North Tweed Drive and BOR compare: 17:53
- The cab comparison finally begins: 19:15
- What is that 212? 21:02
- Bassbreaker 112 & 412 comparison: 22:09
- How are we mixing audio? 24:10
- More of the True North: 33:45
- BOR, Les Paul and all cabs: 30:44
- Different depending on where you stand: 33:45
- NRG Kicker 5457 and single coils, all three cabs: 37:20
- Z Vex Nanohead! 45:00
- Have we learned anything? 55:58
Guitars in this episode:
• Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul Standard - video at bit.ly/2dbwbvS
• PRS Silver Sky: www.prsguitars.com/electrics/...
• Macmull S-Classic: www.macmull-guitars.com/s-cla...
• Gretsch G6118T Players Edition Anniversary - Dan’s video at • That Pedal Show - Our ...
Amps in this episode
• Fender Bassbreaker 15
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• Z Vex Nano Head Tube Amplifier
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[@8calm8]

When you mentioned do musicians and bands travel with all their Gear on the bus as a central London bus driver I can vouch for the fact that yes they do. I observed from my drivers cab the most popular amp type for single musicians was a Peavey Classic 30 Watt combo and less often a Fender hot rod usually dragged along with some kind of trolley with wheels and once I remember picking up a lone female who's quite young probably around early 20s with a guitar strapped to her back and a Fender hot rod deluxe strapped around a modified shopping trolley trying to get this heavy anp onto the bus I had to get out of my cab and help her pull it on board. There was one particular occasion that I will never forget about 10 years ago when I pulled up in my number 43 bus outside Holloway Road tube station and there was a full band of young men with all their Gear stacked up 6 ft high by about 12 feet and 4 feet deep and I remember thinking to myself oh they must be waiting for their roadies with the van to move all their Gear to wherever they going. But no suddenly one guy with a guitar case came on showed his pass and said hang on Driver while we get our Gear on and they proceeded to load the bus with guitar amps speaker cabinets bass speaker cabinets and full drumset stands and God knows what in other cases. It took them about 10 minutes to load everything on I didn't say anything I was just thinking yes this is rock and roll. I drive down Holloway Road three or four stops to Highbury Corner outside a venue called the garage when they unloaded all their Gear which took another 10 minutes I waited patiently filled with admiration and envious that I didn't have a rock and roll style lifestyle. I don't know who this young band were but I hope they were successful as they deserved it if any of them or watching your show tell them I was the driver that took them from Holloway Road tube station to Highbury Corner on my bus it made my bus about half an hour late by the time I reach my destination my controller called me up and asked me why I was so late all I could say was Rock and Roll loading he didn't reply he just cut off his call. big fan of the show thanks Gio.

[@elonmust7470]

That was fun to read.

[@mishastone]

Haha, that was hilarious!

[@andrewleddy1]

Love this story! That's dedication!

[@andresni981]

You are an awesome Man Gio, hope that you are doing well.

[@NielsvanderSteenhoven]

Amazing story!

[@Lemmu1]

You should get a foh sound engineer to discuss about guitar live sound possibilities and problems.

[@krautdrive3673]

I really find the gap between the perceived gain of a cab in the room vs a mic'ed cab in FOH mindboggling.

[@williamhawkins69]

Worst video yet. 😆I’ve been suppressing the desire for a 4x12 for 45 years. Now the fuse is lit. I had a VHT with 2x12 combo. I don’t miss it. I bought a V30 head 2 weeks ago now I don’t know what I want for it. 1x12?, 2x12, 4x12? And 2 wet amps, 1 dry amp, 3 quad boxes... oh my aching back! And I’ll have to issue ear plugs to the family and neighbours.! Glad you guys touched on open back vs closed back. I wanted a Musicman with 2x10 for a long time. What difference would 10s make? I’ve had a Mesa Boogie caliber 22 for nearly 30 years. 1x12. I don’t think I ever ran it above 3/3 without foh guy telling me to turn it down. Channel mix up I guess😂 watching out for drop bears in Oz.

[@pedalgazer7109]

Great idea Jukka- it would be really interesting to get a guy in here to discuss amp wattage/ cab size who is both a live sound pro and an experienced studio engineer- to discuss what actually works best in these very different worlds.

[@epondlife]

Noise boy & guitar player here. In brief, I'd like all of the sources on stage to be about as loud as a [good] singer. I.e. shout as loud as you can: that's how loud I want your amp (and that's probably louder than you think - I've probably asked people to turn UP as often as DOWN). This allows me to get a useful amount of gain before feedback on the guitar mics without the backline spoiling everything else. Same goes for everything else, not just guitars. If that's not loud/clear enough for you, I'll give you as much as you want in the monitors (which are typically NOT pointing down everyone else's vocal mics). Something I've never heard mentioned on TPS or anywhere else is the directivity of guitar cabinets. As we all know from the endless discussion of mic placement, they sound wildly different depending on the angle from which they're heard. As a FoH guy, I'm trying to make it sound the same (preferably 'good') everywhere. PA 'speakers are designed to do this, whereas that death star laser beam of a guitar cab you've got on stage isn't. If it sounds great right in front of the guitar player, it'll sound dull on the other side of the stage. If it sounds good over there, chances are people are having their hair parted in front of the guitarist. Volume on its own isn't necessarily the enemy; it's the fact it's REALLY loud in one direction. In the past, where I've had guitar players with amps which have needed to be driven a little harder, we've pointed the cab backwards, or across the stage. The player can still hear properly via their monitors and it enables us to run the amp hotter without hurting the audience. The natural extension of this is isolation cabinets as used (to great effect) by an increasing number of touring bands. In very small venues where the PA is really only doing vocals and monitors might be just a dream, quieter really is better. I remember walking into a pub once and hearing a blues/rock band playing. It wasn't until I got to the bar that I realised that they were in the same room and this was the best 'pub' sound I'd ever heard. The drummer was on an electric kit, the guitar player was on a Kemper and the bass player was just DI'd. Drummer used headphones; the other two had 8" wedges and the PA was a pair of self-powered 12"s. Perfect! Speaking of drummers and to answer the direct question: we don't tend to ask the drummer to turn down because we're not fond of wasting our breath. They can't turn down an acoustic kit and asking a drummer to play softly in soundcheck is going to lead to one thing only: a rubbish gig when they start playing normally again and nothing else is loud enough. There's also an element of the fact that a guitar, as a melodic instrument with an almost identical range to a human, is far more capable of drowning out a vocal than a percussive snare drum, no matter how loud the latter might be.

[@dystopiagear6999]

@@epondlife if more players and sound guys approached running live sound like you do, we would all be a lot happier and sound a lot better. Thanks for the clear breakdown.

[@danialollis9200]

I remember basing my car purchases on whether my 412 cab would fit. That was my No1 priority.

[@ThatPedalShow]

New Year’s honours list for you. Sir Danial. Well deserved!

[@geraldtonhealth]

Thanks a lot guys. Sold my Marshall 4x12 cab 15 years ago. Didn't regret it until watching this vid!!! Great work.

[@JedSprague]

Best moment of the show was the 4x12 with the 2x12

[@nigelvonshredman]

My sides literally split when Mick revealed his thoughts on how the sound guy mixed up the channels at your gig. Been there too!

[@osterhase9]

I think most gigging musicians have encountered that problem (happened to me too) and there's nothing more depressing when you're on stage and can't hear yourself :(

[@michaelangeloh.5383]

Pics or it didn't happen.

[@mauricekoonings]

I love the sound engineers that pan 2 guitarists almost full left right on large gigs. Half of the people hear only one guitar player, brilliant. You can choose what you want to hear, based on where you stand...

[@zoogboog106]

Maurice Koonings that’s an interesting way of looking at it

[@petew.1418]

I have tried watching this at work. Today everybody needs something from me. It has taken nearly 90 minutes to listen to 20 minutes. Love the videos. My job sucks.

[@eskilseter]

All other things aside, I fall in love with the Dunlop Echoplex delay every time I hear it. I need one.

[@timodelange]

I know same here..weird how that works. But that pedal seems to work with lots of different amp/guitar setups

[@joshmk]

Its worth shelling out the $$. I love mine!

[@markferguson3745]

Try the Belle Epoch as well; gives you a little more fun and tweakability, arguably better sound fidelity.

[@mattgilbert7347]

It replaced my El Capistan, which never really did it for me. Love that little Echoplex!

[@dadhobbies]

Show idea: Lots of pedal companies were started by people who started by modding other pedals. How about revisiting these pedals and a show with only modded pedals. Keeley blues driver mod, JHS modded rat and so on and so on. Just a thought. Some of these pedals have turned into there own thing all together and it would be a chance for Dan to go off on some major tangents on the technical bits. Lol. Regardless if this is a usable thought for you, keep doing what you are doing. Thanks for doing what you do.

[@ThatPedalShow]

I like this. Mick here. Cheers!

[@forester057]

I love the tangents! Long shows rule!

[@dadhobbies]

I should have called them "Dan"-gents. They go well with Mick's Moans. Lol

[@horsehead]

true enough, I bought a tube screamer clone of ebay years ago, turns out to be one of Thorpy's early learning pedals!

[@lucianodebenedictis6014]

Better clones than mods. 50+ for a switch, a sticker and a pot?

[@jesseyasaitis9036]

There is one thing I find interesting when switching speaker cabinets, is the change in tone. At first, its really noticeable. But after just a few seconds, its no big deal.

[@Kevin-the-Just]

The comparison of 1w to 'talking volume' was hugely informative. It showed that 1w is actually usable.

[@ripplebear]

I love this show. Finding less time these days to actually sit down with headphones and absorb it properly, but that's a direct result of spending more time with my own gear. Thanks guys!

[@wooddog3000]

Great Video! I have a bassbreaker 15 and wondered what a external cab would sound like, now I know. Very cool, Nice work!

[@ronrumsey3205]

I love my Fender Princeton Reverb 12-15 watts thru a 10" C Gold for small to medium venues. Fits perfectly in the band mix. Tone for days AND load in/load out with one hand!

[@wadeadkins4927]

That Pedal Show continues to be the most informative guitar gear channel on youtube. Thanks for another great episode!

[@leeneedham5636]

Great video. Thanks Mick and Dan. That was super helpful. It reinforces a conclusion I reached a few years ago, that different combinations of cabs with my favourite heads gives me all the variation I need. With a mix of 1x12 and 2x12 cabs loaded with various Celestion and Electrovoice speakers I have most bases covered. I still miss my dear old 4x12, but that went to the great gig in the sky some time ago.

[@bernardosilva7306]

I honestly think a lot of people underestimate the effect of cabinet size. I have a couple of 1x12 combos and the “bigger” ones sound bigger even on the same wattage. The 4x12 cabinet has A LOT of space for the air and the sound to resonate... Awesome job guys, as always!

[@aalperuzun]

Good point. I realized that cabinet size thing when i bought a Laney VC15 which has a small cabinet.

[@GGRetroRally]

can you please speak to my wife and explain to her why i need a 4x12 in my life :-)

[@ThatPedalShow]

Just tell her that it’s BIG and CLEVER! ;0)

[@joerobinson6199]

Andy Lord cmon u only need a 1x12. If ur on stage mic it. It’s plenty loud. You can have my 2x12 red cabinet. I hate it.

[@GGRetroRally]

Joe Robins I don’t need a 4x12, my 2x12 sounds great... But I Want a 4x12!

[@CorbCorbin]

Just get two 2x12s and run a stereo wet dry rig. She'll be very happy! 🙃

[@joerobinson6199]

Andy Lord I get it. My mom would say when I was growing up “you don’t need new sneakers or whatever, jeans you want them”. And that’s why I had very few material things growing up. But as soon as I was making my own money the gear addiction started very slowly. After I got better I wanted actual guitars and amps that were useable. Then it got out of control. Pedal addiction, dirt pedals mainly kicked in thx to utube. Then I got married. And right back to you don’t need that new pedal or guitar you want it. 🙄 you know what Andy? You should get the 4x12. You only live once. Life’s short. If it’ll make you happy I say get it. 😉. But has anyone noticed how much utube and the internet have made GAS so much worse? As I said that’s what got me going.

[@jakestewartmusic]

This is already one of my favorite TPS episodes. Speakers and cabinets are endlessly fascinating and there are so many variables at play. I really learned to love 1x12" combo amps after I started cranking my Carr Rambler to 10. I plug an Esquire straight in and there's something special about how the speaker and cabinet take the full power of the amp and spread it through the room. It sounds really balanced to me no matter where I am on stage and I never have trouble hearing myself anymore. I tend to work completely off of stage volume with no guitar in my monitors at all. So simple and I get everything from my Esquire's volume control and my pick attack.

[@anthonysilva5312]

I’m almost 60. I bought my first 4x12 (1960A) last year. I had to get my son to pick it up because: a) it wouldn’t fit it my car And b) I had recently seriously broken my arm in a bicycle accident. I love that cab. I live in a townhouse. 🇨🇦🎸

[@guitarfreak585]

Really glad to see the Les Paul more here lately. Love that guitar.

[@misterguitargeek]

That box of rock is a monster! One of the best sounding pedals you've played with. (Also: FET based, cascading gain stage design!)

[@bpdarragh]

Nice. 20 seconds under an hour. Made for a lunchtime!!! Thanks guys

[@pierrederesistance]

Loved hearing "oh well" at 31.00 ish, the first half of that song is so ace.

[@ChrisBuckGuitar]

The Les Paul into the Bassbreaker with the NRG Kicker was glorious! 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@neilgrimes]

Agreed, and thanks (for appreciating my small part in that) Buck And Evans!

[@CorbCorbin]

That NRG added a nice sound, I really liked it as well.

[@leonbarron368]

Just based on what Dan mentioned, it'd be great to have a show on monitoring stage volumes. Especially with heads+cabs when you can't easily tilt the cab back..

[@hankrocks7504]

That's why I watch your show on a tv instead of my phone now adays! Love this channel your last pick n mix is my current favorite !

[@shanepetersen7797]

This just speaks to the character of Dan. Even though he couldn’t hear himself he respected the decision of the sound tech even though the sound tech was wrong! What a champion!

[@alastairrae7752]

Come on Dan, must try harder! I once drove from London to Manchester with a double bed (including mattress) in my Mitsubishi Colt! Awesome show as always. My wife loves you guys as you keep me quiet for hours - she's a bit scared about how many pedals I'm going to end up with though....

[@xReisendenx]

Coming from the world of bass guitar, the 1x12 should have more bass if you put it on the floor. Low end is very dependent on positioning in the room and how well it can conduct thru surfaces. would be interesting to demo this if you guys do a follow up!

[@jbishop22080]

Great show. I’ve been running a wet dry rig with 15W tube heads (Marshall DSL and Egnater Tweaker)- each with its own 4x12 cab at home. So much fun.

[@kenmunoz8517]

This sheds a lot of light on whether or not that big cabinet is just a phallic symbol. Though we all don’t necessarily like it loud, a broad or full soundstage makes a big difference, even at low volumes. Thanks!

[@thebestian]

Thanks for playing some peter green! "Oh well", is a great song!

[@whiskersb5296]

A whole show about an amp I own! It's like an early Christmas.

[@ccombs2666]

Call me crazy. I'm listening through good speakers with a woofer and this sounds great. You guys sure know how to find the sweet spot in a pedal!

[@lukehearn1341]

I’m currently running my Fuchs ODS into a 2x8 cab! 1970s vintage Jensens and it slays.

[@TheDibello0411]

This video instantly lit a bulb as soon as the video ended I plugged the class5 into the 4x12 and blew my own mind, haven’t played with that much heart in years, you guys are the best just absolutely amazing, there hasn’t been an episode that hasn’t taught me something, the inspiration and bump in motivation to get hands on the tele that comes from your show cannot be summed into words. Thank you so much for what you do, you guys are incredible, keep up the great work! What are the chances of seeing a Vase?

[@8-TrackCustomAudio]

On the FOH engineer point: in my experience, engineers that are insecure about their mixing ability will do their best (consciously or not) to control whatever they can coming off of the stage (guitar amp volume). I have seen many engineers even ask the drummer to play quieter on some occasions. There are exceptions to this (small room, volume cap, etc.), but more often than not I have found that to be the case. I am more of an engineer than a guitar player these days, and I think that stage volume is part of what makes live music great, no stage volume can make a band or mix sound sterile and incomplete, especially with a drummer. Just my humble opinion of course, I don't claim to be an exceptional engineer, but I am at least not insecure in my abilities.

[@CrutchExe]

That 4x12 sounded so thick!!! Reminds me of when I first plugged my Dark Terror into my Marshall 4x12 and I was suddenly transported to a foreign land of tone.

[@bjstickney]

I've always liked the sound of a bigger cab. 2 4x12 in wet /dry must sound massive!! Can't wait to see blue and red back on the show. Also awesome seeing a supro on the show. I just bought a dual tone and waiting for delivery 🚚

[@MurrayWilliams]

I know this is probably anathema... but I use the amp legs on my Super Reverb. It aims the sound of the amp at me and away from the sound man’s ears. I get more perceived volume on stage without being asked to turn down because my amp volume is dispersed by the ceiling. Also, I can hear the true EQ of my tone. My amp is mic’d as well. Great Show.

[@ThatPedalShow]

So simple, so effective! Nice one Murray!

[@74doomtrooper]

Those legs are there for a good reason and they are very effective.I have no clue why so many folks just don’t use them or even take them off.Very good point though and I just love use of anathema to describe it...well played.

[@MarcCoteMusic]

@@74doomtrooper - Using amp stands or legs should be the law. So many shows I've done sound at where the guitarist claimed he couldn't hear himself well, while my head (and everyone else's) is being torn off. The reason a lot of players won't use them is because they don't like the sound when the speaker is pointed at their head. They prefer the mellower indirect sound. ...and I'm like, "Duh... if you don't like the sound of the cab pointed at your head, how do you think your audience feels about it?"

[@74doomtrooper]

Marc Cote Exactly...I agree.You would think that it would be obvious! I like to here my “actual” sound...the board and mic’s can handle the rest.I also preach a type of anathema myself maybe even borderline sacrilege for a guitar player...spend more money on a good PA system and at most normal gigs...the folks out front will love you for it.

[@MarcCoteMusic]

@@74doomtrooper - A good PA makes all the difference, especially when you include good monitoring.

[@clayheinzerling1852]

I personally don't think there's anything wrong with small amps. I use a 65 amps lil elvis which is a 12 watt with a master voltage that can bring down the wattage and it is loud enough for most places places, be it a club/bar, outdoor venue, or even a basketball stadium with a full brass section and drums which is where I'm currently using it and that's without a PA. And dan I reckon you'd like the lil elvis as its a very good vox style amp thats specifically designed for lower volume situations like clubs and studios but it can still take your head off when you want and it always feels super good, much better than my friend's half stack. Anyways awesome show guys

[@legomasterthe3rd240]

One of my favorite amps is a my epiphone valve Jr 5w head through a 2×10 cab. I've used it in outdoor settings and recording. Great clean tone and a bit of bite when you crank it up. Love it

[@alexpedigo576]

I recently made a slightly modified 5f1 Champ, it's astounding how awesome it sounds through my 4x12 cabinet.

[@JDGreen916]

At 30:42, Mick has nailed Gary Clark Jr.'s tone on Third Stone From the Sun. Bluesbraker 15 head and a Marshall 4x12 cab for me!

[@jake-jk5rg]

Mick you really need a Les Paul, you change into a rock monster !

[@benchristopher1966]

What was the riff he was playing on les Paul. Can’t think of song it’s on the top of my tongue and has been bothering me all day.

[@pierrederesistance]

@@benchristopher1966 "oh well" by fleetwood mac.

[@stevendobias2960]

Agreed - he needs a Les Paul in his life :).

[@benchristopher1966]

pierrederesistance thank you! Man that’s been bugging me for days now it’s all coming back. It’s on the tusk album and obviously there’s the original peter green version.

[@sonofboar13]

jake his Collings les Paul junior > les Paul

[@rickya3877]

It may have been last minute, but it was very informative...also confirms that getting my vertical 2x12's in closed back was the right decision!

[@neilkorsgaard]

Even with my Amazon PC speakers, I can really hear the difference with the larger cabs. Not so much when it is clean, but once you engage the pedals. Good to know that a lower wattage amp can power big cabs. Thank you!

[@nathanwainman4956]

Hey guys, love everything you do. Are you gonna get the Dark World reverb by chase bliss in soon?

[@lowdefal6306]

"Nothing like starting with a massive tangent" I for one wouldn't have it any other way. (p.s. How did you forget to honk Bonnamassa?)

[@Bullittbl]

LowDef Al I LOVE the tangents!! anybody can demo a pedal but these guys are solid gold.

[@christurner2398]

I think a new show "Tangent Tuesdays" is implied.

[@edadpops1709]

Haha "That tangent show". You guys rock.

[@michaelangeloh.5383]

Did they meet him or do they know him?... Isn't that the requirement?...

[@lowdefal6306]

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[@martinscholes9314]

Love it when Dan rocks the Les Paul. That is one heck of a guitar. All we need is a good 20/30 watt valve amp, good 2 x 12 cab and a few pedals. Mystery solved, old school.

[@echicago841]

Like the way that NRG boost sounded, I just got a Jackson Audio Prism, I think you would both like it, another good show

[@ArielPosen]

🔥🔥⚡️⚡️

[@Bullittbl]

I’m a Landreth you haven’t jammed with. I hope to correct that someday.

[@LordBransty]

Parrrrppp! Sounds horn...

[@Javier-qk7ms]

For Q&A episode :) What about stacking a pair of 1x12 vs a single 2x12? I guess as long as you like each individual 1x12 combo the result will be a good sounding result, as you have demonstrated in your previous stereo rig episodes but would like to hear your comments again.

[@damianfedorko9607]

The True North Tweed Drive with the 4X12 cab and Les Paul sounded killer. Really gorgeous tone.

[@ront8270]

Enjoyed the the show again ...you guys really tweak the sound fantastically ..

[@ThabetGABH]

That was amazing! I watched this video coming from your previous video about cabs, and I enjoyed all the great tones and information. it's a hard decision to make, I'm lost between getting an Open Back 1X12 or a Closed Back 2X12 both loaded with Vintage 30s. I play a lot of diverse things and prog. Making it harder to decide if I want the tighter sound of a closed back or the openness multi-dimensional sound of the open back...Cheers from Jordan!

[@aalperuzun]

I used closed back for a while and back to open back as soon as possible. You have to locate a closed back very back side of the stage, away from yourself or drummer can't hear you well. Open backs can be heard both sides front and back of the amp. More useful for me.

[@philipcarollo7721]

I would really like to hear guitar(s) straight into the amp when showing the difference between 1x12, 2x12, 4x12 cabs. No pedals.

[@Im2Old4ThisShite]

People are too concerned with showcasing their skills as a music produce that to give an honest review of what the 99% of us out there will actually hear at home with our guitar, cable and amp and without $10,000 worth of equipment connected to it.

[@MarshallAmpMan]

Totally agree, its really frustrating when You Tubists demo equipment with pedals, just demo the guitar and the amp with cabinet mixtures so you can really hear the difference but when you mask it with overdrive and distortion pedals you can't hear a difference. Mick and Dan are you listening?

[@andreasf6671]

Johan is your friend.

[@hoboroadie4623]

This is not that show. ✌

[@Zeal808]

@@hoboroadie4623 best comment 😂 it’s literally called “That Pedal show”..

[@yananarecords]

Fab! Thank you... Drop D around 34mins on the 1x12 phenomenal!!! Cleans on the 4x12 piqued the curiosity, reaches for the wallet, eek!!! Matt.

[@cayokrause]

I was listening to the show in the car (without looking at the screen, of course) and that horn at 37:26 almost killed me! hahaha

[@Darthhalitosis]

The term you're looking for lads when comparing those cabs is comparing 'apples and toilet seats'

[@imantisocial3179]

urinal cakes and toilet brownies

[@CorbCorbin]

Tortoise and Turdles

[@jjrobiso]

Next trip to the US, stop by my hometown of kokomo Indiana and visit Weber Speakers and pick up a few different types of speakers and make a fun day of it. Haha.

[@TheDibello0411]

Ted Weber is to speakers as Analogman is to fuzz, there’s very few people that have the passion to dive down those rabbit holes and come out with things that rival if not beat the originals like Ted Weber and Mike Piera

[@colaboytje]

That first piece sounded heavenly.

[@JohnW335andTele]

Dan, your story about getting your first 4 x 12 reminds me of many years ago when my wife and I went into a music store and I ended up purchasing a Soldano 50 watt half stack. Anyway, we were driving in a little Toyota Paseo and I had to crouch in the back with the 4 x 12 cabinet on the ride home. So, I totally understand what you were going through Dan.

[@clench13]

Are we ever going to see Simon on camera? He definitely seems to have opinions when it comes to the gear, the pedals, and the playing, I would like to get a chance to hear some of his noodle-ings. Keep up to great videos. Btw I love your tangents and long videos.

[@Robstafarian]

If I recall correctly, Simon was briefly pictured in this episode of TPS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZKmd2d6jb-VkLs

[@gcvrsa]

For the record, the Z.Vex Nano Head is a one-half watt amplifier.

[@WarrenPostma]

I totally love this idea. You guys rock so much.

[@74doomtrooper]

Yes!Small amps and big cabs are always so cool.I love the sound of a 20 watt head though a traditional 4x12.I retired my 100 and 50 watt Marshall amps years ago (mostly) in favor of my PRS Custom 20 running through either a Marshall 1960A,1965A or an Egnator 350 watt Armageddon cab.For myself...I’ve never cared for “speaker distortion”.I do love being able to control the dynamics between a small amps power section and preamp with the added “body” that that big cab affords you,not to mention the additional sound spread.Is it perfect for every situation?Nope...but that is why they make 2x12 cabs and 4x10’s.Each one gives an amp a whole new personality,it’s almost like getting a new amp and who doesn’t like that new amp feeing?Great job as always guys...this made my Friday!Rock on.🤟🏻

[@Skinny_Karlos]

I still remember when I had my tele/strat, jcm 800, a boss chorus, reverb and delay in front and that was pretty much it. Even then I thought I was ostentatious. Ah, Australia in the '80s.

[@ralvknights]

Friday, drinking only good coffee, playing guitar, blasting the car stereo with any good rock era 60´s,70´s (singing optional but outside the birds explode in mid air when I sing)..... and That Pedal Show. I have one big request: I have found that some Overdrives can be percussive, meaning they enhance the initial attack sound of string notes and other Overdrives have a mild low mids and mid mids tonality that make them feel like rock and roll butter and others have nice overtones that are good for fast lead or rhythm playing. I PROPOSE that you guys figure out a new overdrive tone classification menu, for showing on a couple episodes. You have the experience and gear to make it happen. Some OD pedals have their pros and cons. For example the Phat Mod by Keeley is based on a famous pedal, and the Phat Mod to my ears has a wonderful percussive and note separation above other pedals. Hope u guys find it worthy to investigate. No sex can even come close to that, if it where the other way around, there would be almost no musicians creating or fans listening. Sex would win over. But in this reality realm: Music is the unbeatable champion in providing happy years and camaraderie. Live long and Prosper. i

[@m.charron]

Two's the magic number for me. I always felt that way, this just kinda confirms it.

[@GoDrex]

Nothing beats a 4x12 for sheer joy. Except 2 of them

[@seantaylor532]

Mostly this video was just a fantastic ad for the Bassbreaker. Sounded fantastic at all times.

[@markferguson3745]

Yes, great into other, bigger , cabs; the stock? Not so much.

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@markferguson3745 It's decent. I've gotten some great sounds with it stock, but I do like to run it with the extension cab or, if I can, wet/dry with my Blues Jnr or Laney Cub12r. The Bassbreaker is my dry amp in that situation.

[@imacashew.]

Matt Gilbert probably a dumb question, when you use an extension cab do the speaker/s stop working in your combo? I’m thinking of getting a cab for my combo but I don’t know exactly how it would function.

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@imacashew. Nope, but it depends on the cab. I use the matching 8ohm 112 Bassbreaker cab. I can run both internal and extension. It's also a great cab for other amps. I like that V-Type, it's good (but not "great") and the cab is just another stock V-Type - however, running two of them with one in the larger extension 112 makes a big difference. You basically have a 212 Bassbreaker 15.

[@mattgilbert7347]

@@imacashew. I assumed you were talking about the BB15 combo, yeah?

[@pow3866]

How can you tell the treble was at 3 pm vs 3 am? Are things really that different on this side of the pond? On a more serious note, was there a reason you didn’t use your trusty, rusty decibel meter? Would it show that the perception in loudness can be attributed to a wider frequency range being heard? Another great show!

[@thomasadelgren]

: Pow they clearly run a 24 hour clock....🤪

[@JBurtonTenor]

@23:54 “no, please, don’t tell me we sat here only to have 4x12 prove that they are indeed Lord of all guitar tone after all”. Cheers brothers. So fun to virtually hang out with you two.

[@rockfordsantacruz2336]

Amazing show as always I had exactly the same problem love my little fender bass breaker sounded too small I sorted it out by taking your advice and running it alongside and ac15 wet and dry sounds amazing totally changed my sound

[@Robstafarian]

23:56 The Greenback-loaded 4x12 sounds louder than the 65W-Creamback-loaded 2x12 and the V-Type-loaded Bassbreaker combo due to speaker sensitivity differences and acoustic coupling. When speakers are aligned closely enough, they couple acoustically (comb filtering notwithstanding)-the textbook example shows a 6dB increase (e.g. 98dB sensitivity x2 = 105dB combined sensitivity). However, speakers which share a common power amp divide the power such that the vast majority of guitarists will see a 3dB increase (i.e. the textbook 6dB increase with half the power): a notable exception is the Orange Rocker 32 combo, which provides separate power amps for each of its speakers. This means that the equivalent sensitivities of the cabs in this comparison are as follows: * Bassbreaker: 98dB (98dB+0dB) * Victory: 100dB (97dB+3dB) * Marshall: 104dB (98dB+3dB+3dB) * Victory & Marshall: 105dB Another way to compare the volume increases is to think of the equivalent increase in amp power. Doubling the amp wattage yields a 3dB increase in volume at identical settings, therefore the effective amp power ratings are as follows: * Bassbreaker: 15W * Victory: 30W * Marshall: 60W * Victory & Marshall: 75W Though speaker cabinet construction is hugely significant to such comparisons, this particular comparison is helped by the speakers' relatively-similar frequency response in the 1kHz (the frequency at which sensitivity is rated) region: the Celestion Vintage 30, for example, significantly exceeds its rated sensitivity beyond 1kHz (the Vintage 30 is infamous in this regard, hence speakers like the WGS Veteran 30).

[@poisonthesalt9239]

Dan, I had a similar experience with Bon Iver as you did with Springsteen. I just couldn't understand the hype. Then I saw him/them live ... Boom! Lost my trousers.

[@rupertacdc]

Poisonthesalt exactly the same here! At the Hammersmith Apollo.

[@jimhighland8731]

I had the same experience with Bruce Springsteen. In 1978 (not a typo), my freshman year in college, guy in the room next door offered me one of his tickets for the Bruce show on campus. I was “meh” on Bruce, and almost said no. Decided to go, turned out they were 10th row center seats, and Bruce played for four hours and burned the house down. I was an instant convert.

[@lathspell87]

I play my Dr. Z Maz 18 MkII through my 2x12 slanted Marshall cab loaded with greenbacks. Tonal bliss.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Yeah! That’s gonna work :0)

[@cliftontorrence839]

Yes that is crazy .... the 2 x 12 Vicki added instant huge dimension.

[@oansun]

I like combos because I'm an insane person that likes how it sounds with the chasis inside the cab, but I LOVE hooking an extension to my Suhr Bella. Has such a difference in sound on stage, its a beautiful thing. Would you consider throwing Dan's AC30 through the same paces for a little one off (heck all your guys amps) for indulgent fun?

[@JamZuka]

Please to this!

[@mattgilbert7347]

I third the motion!

[@chrisdrake447]

So far ( 4 mins in) so good. Any chance you can do something similar with 2x10”, 4x10” and 15” cabs? A big ask, but here’s hoping,

[@Robstafarian]

Are you referring to bass cabs or guitar cabs?

[@horsehead]

I think a better comparison would be just between 10" 12" 15" speakers to see how they compare to get better perceived volume and also how the speaker affects highs, lows & mid range

[@chrisdrake447]

Yeah, guitar cabs, & yes, comparing the tonal characteristics, perceived volume, etc. In the far distant recesses of my mind was a review in Guitarist mag many years ago by Eddie Allen of the Peavey Classic 50 head with a full stack made up of a 4x10 cab on top, and a 1x15 at the bottom. That set up intrigued me, as does kit like the 1x15 Fender Excelsior (?) combo. Not enough to try & play through one as yet, mind ...

[@michaelangeloh.5383]

@@horsehead But there's already comparisons on that... Generally you'll just get a "thicker" sound with larger speakers, almost a similar effect to having a bigger cabinet with more speakers. - The larger speakers tend to have a "duller" higher end (and of course beefier lower end) and pretty much the other way around for the smaller speakers. - What also matter is the size of the voice coil and probably the magnet-size/weight, which will all be variables. - That's also why the "experiment" in this video isn't really done right, because they have massively different speakers and cabinets. - A different speaker in that 1x12" combo could've made it a lot "bigger" or louder (also if the cabinet were larger), the same for different speakers in the Victory cab, if they weren't Creambacks (or whatever they are) they might have sounded as grand as the Marshall 4x12". - I know you wanna see it in this show, but I've already told you the results because you can already find them. And of course, a disclaimer; It also depends on the room, positioning, the back of the cabinet, and so on and so forth.

[@Robstafarian]

@Chris Drake It is exceedingly difficult to find otherwise-similar guitar speakers in 10″, 12″, and 15″ diameters. That is partly due to the nature of speaker manufacturing and partly due to the nature of the market: people shopping for certain sizes of speakers tend to have distinct sounds in mind, which is also true of cabinet form factors within a given speaker diameter; when was the last time you saw a commercial 4x12 loaded with Celestion Blues, for example?

[@brianbare2166]

Hi guys, here from North Carolina! Thanks for using the contrasting guitars (The Les Paul and the Strat) for your demonstration today. Very, very practical for most guitarist!

[@mgano7700]

I happened upon a Traynor 9x8 cabinet (Roughly the same size as a 4x12) closed back. Around the same time I picked up a Blackstar HT-1RH 1 Watt Tube Amp. These play very nicely together for some very usable home tones and levels. I get decent dynamics out of it at reasonable volumes. The setup can be loud enough dirty to annoy the house as well though.

[@muuhn]

thank fuzz it's friday!

[@tombromby8546]

New t-shirt right there! 👍🤘

[@chrishepburn1503]

What I'm hearing is the 4x12 sounds more scooped with less mids. I actually prefer the 1x12 through my headphones. It sounds more focused. That being said if I was in the room I might have a different opinion.

[@alexbrown1510]

But when you record it, your assessment will be the correct one

[@natekmusic2997]

Once had a sound guy with a ton of equipment but couldn't figure out how to get a mic on the guitar amp. So, I had to crank the amp up to be heard solely from the amp alone. Having a Marshall 4x12 and a 50watt tube head helped in that situation.

[@JP-jy7sk]

You've convinced me to get a 2x12 cabinet for my Fender Pro Jr.. Awesome video!

[@jasonlangford2689]

So it's Friday morning Two Johnnie Walker Gold Label Reserve | Scotch Whisky's in and I will testify that a 4x12 cab is always the way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MarkPritchardGuitar]

I love your Silver Sky Mick!!!!

[@ThatPedalShow]

It’s not mine - just on loan, and it’s gone to its next home now. It was good while it lasted!

[@MarkPritchardGuitar]

Thats a damn shame, she is a beaut.

[@michaelfern945]

Wonderful and helpful video guys. Thank you!

[@gcvrsa]

I have done bass gigs around town with my Mesa Walkabout 12 combo, StingRay Bass in a Warwick Rockbag, Boss BCB-3 pedalboard and my cable bag on a collapsible hand truck, with my handbag over my shoulder. If I only have a few blocks to go from my flat to the venue, it works perfectly.

[@afelrefer]

Honestly the 1x12 is really the one that does it for me.. I feel like there’s a scoop going on in the mids especially in the 4x12. I’m in no doubt that the 4x12 sounds waaay better in the room, but when you’re sitting on the other side of KZbin.. the smallest one rocks the house ❤️

[@noelzhu1986]

I think the single coil guitar sounds best on 112.

[@peterjessop1878]

Hi guys I run a 1X10 combo with 1X12 extension cab live. This seems to retain the punchiness of the 1X10 together with the depth of the 1X12 and of course is much louder than the 1x10 on its own. This works for me, but in general are there any reasons not to run different sized speakers together?

[@Robstafarian]

The primary reason not to run mixed cabs is comb filtering, though you might like the result of such filtering. The same is true of blending speakers of identical diameter, by the way.

[@robbieredball]

the Box of Rock sounds amazing! Good job I'm skint.

[@Inca_Rhodes]

Recently bought the Mesa Fillmore 50 combo, figuring I could pick up a 2x12 cabinet for practice space if needing more "presence", as i wasn't expecting more volume per se. This video helps showcase why it would be a good idea, but now i want a 4x12.

[@joemisek]

7:34 LOL! I've got my 4x12! I've got no gigs........

[@MrBladle]

Mick really got it going with the Les Paul! That guitar needs more time on the show though, it's gorgeous and sounds amazing.

[@stanherring4208]

Yet another excellent adventure, thanks!

[@anthonycashero7605]

Nice show guys. Thanks.