The XM9 Trials, Just the Facts

[@Del_S]

1911 is adopted: "ugh I want my revolver back." M9 is adopted: "ugh I want my 1911 back." M17/19 is adopted: "Ugh I just shot myself in the leg. And want my M9 back."

[@zobiya17]

😂😂😂😂

[@markanthonypar-wise1499]

😅😅 pretty much. Or they could have gotten with glock or Beretta's entry with the new pistol program

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

​@markanthonypar-wise1499 i bought an a3 and it's like a work of art

[@SCH292]

@@markanthonypar-wise1499 Sig fan boys to your comment/response: "tHe sIg hAs tHe m0dUlAr sYsteM! iT caN sH00t tHree fifTy 7, four-Dee N nine mini meter!".

[@markanthonypar-wise1499]

@@wizard_of_poz4413 nice 👍. I've got the Beretta 92a1 love it.

[@romanace3432]

I agree with this quote you said “I think we should use American guns if they meet the requirements we shouldn’t lower the standards”

[@oleboy7615]

@@romanace3432 Yes, but the M&P9 M2.0 more than meets the requirements for military and LE use. There is no reason for the US military not to issue the M&P. It is far and away a better choice than the P320.

[@miketeeveedub5779]

Too bad we can't say that with US soldiers. I hear they lowered their athletic standards to allow for more "lower tier" recruits. Guess beggars can't be choosers.

[@oleboy7615]

@ To the contrary, they PT test is more difficult; however, the program is more focused on social issues than operational readiness. Conventional troop ranks are pitiful.

[@thenegociater3387]

The current CEO of Sig was previously the CEO of kimber during it’s worst years of quality control.

[@UnworthySeraphim]

That's the (((Cohen))) way. Low cost, high mark up!

[@oleboy7615]

BINGO!!! And as a result, Sig has fallen sharply. They have had more recalls and issues with more guns than all other top tier manufacturers combined since 2006. This is an irrefutable fact, yet there is no shortage of Sig fans ignorantly laughing at anyone who dares speak the truth.

[@great_deception]

@@oleboy7615 Wrong, S&W continues to lead the firearms industry in # of recalls issued. Just visit their recalls page. I love how misinformation spreads.

[@xusmico187]

if it is not a 226 series ... the rest are crap

[@oleboy7615]

@@xusmico187 Even the classic P series guns produced today have Sig outsourced MIM parts, and bc of this are suspect.

[@jynkkytonttu5942]

"trigger of a stanley staple gun" lmao😂

[@KACisWAC]

Came here for this 🥰🤣

[@RewardedRocki]

As the owner of a VP70, that is an insult to staple guns.

[@davidforsberg5675]

Makes a double action revolver trigger a dream....

[@Mjdeben]

Its wierd how the Air Force always seems to make the right decisions regarding Small Arms while Big Army/Marines get it wrong more often than right.

[@SuperGarouden]

ARMY has that mindset that they can save more by buying a bundle of cheap firearms rather than quality but expensive firearms

[@Chiller11]

Air Force can afford to think creatively with small arms. They purchase relatively small numbers and small arms are not integral to their operations.

[@donwyoming1936]

I remember back in Desert Storm, when the USAF didn't have enough M9s to go around and had to issue M15 revolvers to pilots, we just flew back to Europe and bought Glocks. We also didn't adopt the M16A2 until the late 1990s when M193 ammo ran out. We knew our old Colt 604s were superior to the Army's M16A1 & the A2.

[@jeffshriber6120]

I disagree that the xm9 test were done right the sig 226 is better but not expensive.

[@johnchristopher3032]

Air Force has higher mean IQ than the others

[@Cgopat]

I was a Marine MP in 1987 and originally issued a 1911. By then all the 1911s were worn out and constantly breaking. In 1988 we changed over to the Beretta 92F. Putting aside the "stopping power" argument, the guns shot like a dream. I never had a malfunction. In 1996 I joined the LAPD and was issued a Beretta 92FS. I carried it for the first few years and never had a problem with it. After the LAPD approved .45s I started carrying a Beretta 8045 with the extended barrel required by the department. That, like my previous 92FS, worked flawlessly. I eventually transitioned to a Glock 21 for the increased magazine capacity (The Beretta was 8+1). I bought my issued Beretta 92FS from the department when I retired. I don't use it or carry it CCW because of its size, but I'd stake my life on it any day, just like I did for the many years I carried it with the USMC and LAPD. There are many guns out there now that are just as good as the Beretta 92FS, but putting personal preferences and desired features aside, IMO there's none that are better.

[@enricomandragona163]

Kudos!! Semper Fi'‼️

[@phishno2767]

Outstanding presentation of the facts, and your analogy of not maintaining a car yet expecting it to work is relevant. And I know people who do that too. As an aside I worked behind a gun counter in the late Eighties shortly after the Beretta was confirmed as the new service pistol, and among our regular clients were several LEOs with local, state, and Federal agencies. One of the FBI agents had been issued a P226 and held it in high regard for its shooting characteristics but he was also quick to point out that several agents had experienced cracked frames with their P226 pistols, some of which had only been in service for a couple of years. If my memory of what he told me is correct, the bureau had SIG on the hook to replace frames at the 5k mark to mitigate against field failures. Whether that was for all the pistols under the contract or for a specific batches or batches, I never found out. I do recall that he told me he was on his second frame for his pistol and that that conversation had been in the context of M9 slide separations. It didn't dampen his enthusiasm for the P226 but he said he went to great pains to maintain an accurate round count for it. I suspect that if anyone had been physically injured due to frame failures on the SIG that SIG would have had a similar PR disaster on their hands. So far as I know SIG's failures didn't result in injury and the tales of their own issues therefore didn't grow legs. Unfortunately, bad information seems to propagate faster than factually correct information and to have greater persistence, both of which worked against Beretta

[@bryanduchane2371]

By far the best and only credible video on this topic.... Not sure the most recent selection of the Sig 320 was nearly as clear as this selection...

[@oleboy7615]

He did another video on that, and it’s pretty good. The USA violated its own selection protocols to select the P320, but nothing to see here. The Army always picks the best gun available. 😂

[@oleboy7615]

@ Do you really believe that?

[@TheSpritz0]

M9 saved my life in the War I bought one for home defence right after I got out…

[@markanthonypar-wise1499]

Oh wow? What happened? If you don't mind saying?

[@TheSpritz0]

@@markanthonypar-wise1499 Ran out of Ammo and had to use my pistol (I had 2 extra clips for that!). Bad guy walked right out of an abandoned building!

[@markanthonypar-wise1499]

@@TheSpritz0 did you shoot him or did he leave once seeing your pistol?

[@PalmettoNDN]

"Clip". "Badguy". "Abandoned building". Cool story, bro.

[@garyK.45ACP]

When I transitioned from a revolver to a semi-auto duty handgun in 1986, I chose the Beretta. Mine is the 92F. In 1990, I went into plainclothes work and chose a SIG P228 for my duty handgun, which I carried for the next 19 years. The Beretta was my 'backup' handgun, which I used for some duties, such as warrant service, etc. Both were great. I still have both. I have owned both for over 30 years, the Beretta for almost 40 years. Neither has malfunctioned with any ammo I used in them. I still shoot both of them frequently, but they are not my EDC choice. I chose the Beretta over the SIG P226 _because_ it had a manual safety, which I preferred for uniform duty (open) carry. For plainclothes work, (mostly concealed carry) I preferred the slightly smaller P228 and preferred that it had _no_ safety, decock only.

[@terrarecon]

When I was an LEO of a smaller dept we had to provide our own side arm. I also selected the Berretta 92FS in the 90's. I still have it to this day.

[@garyK.45ACP]

@@terrarecon I was in a very large city department, we also had to buy our own duty handguns from an approved roster. We were not allowed to carry semi-autos on duty until 1986. Until late 1991 new officers had a choice of revolver or semi-auto. After 1991, new officers could only carry semi-autos. Those of us hired before 1991 (I started in 1973) had the option to carry revolvers until we retired. I retired in 2009. By that time, very few officers still carried revolvers. I carried revolvers throughout my career as off duty handguns, and still have 2 revolvers in my concealed carry rotation.

[@lam.924]

These are my absolute favorite videos from you Chris. Thanks for these!

[@PalmettoNDN]

The most hilarious thing is that Ruger even tried.

[@MatterMadeMoot]

Thanks for laying all this out so well. My friend has a Beretta 92 that's labeled "F TYPE -S-", 1988 vintage with factory walnut grips. Apparently a 92F that was among those the gov't converted to 92FS during this period. It still has the first gen locking block, and has run almost perfectly for 2000 rounds now. I respect the P226 but M9 is one of my all time favorites.

[@secretsquirrel3711]

I’d love to see the M9A4 go up against the Sig p320, Glock and Smith and Wesson in the same type of trials.

[@celmer6]

@@secretsquirrel3711 now that would be entertaining for sure! I would watch that on Sports Center any day.

[@sanders194539]

I shot M9s quite a bit and they are great guns. Like the video states, I only saw problems with guns that were clearly worn out after decades of use. I do not care for the grip of the M9 but the M9a4 recontoured the frames and I am sure they would have preformed excellent.

I'll go to my grave firmly believing that someone was bought off is why the Sig Sauer P320 was chosen over the Beretta M9.

[@MasahikoKohineko]

It's very likely, one of the generals involved in the MHS trials joined the SIG board of directors right after the 320 was formally adopted.

[@mattf5630]

John McCain. He went in and said we didnt need to do any high round durability testing and claimed it was a waste of money and time. The xm17 wasn’t completed and Glock tried to sue but got shut out. John McCain got paid

[@LyleH-13]

neither the glock or the sig met the requirement. should have been cancelled.

[@jonathanpiccone6935]

@@MasahikoKohineko , a hot tub , cocaine and chai boys mixed with generals and ..we have sig now

[@Gort-zs5ph]

Another superb quality show with rich content as usual. Sincere thank you Chris. Been a fan since I was an NFA dealer from 2007-2013, had your books, but customers bought them from me when they saw me reading them with much enthusiasm.

[@phatsmitty]

Have one Italian Beretta 92fs, one West German SIG Sauer P226.... enjoy them both very much, and the historical significance. Thanks Mr. B for another excellent video, and for comparing two incredibly engineered sidearms.

[@enricomandragona163]

There is no historical significance with a Sig!!

[@phatsmitty]

@@enricomandragona163 You are wrong

[@enricomandragona163]

@@phatsmitty no I'm not!! State your claim!! Not your opinion!!

[@Aarons-Animals]

I'm really glad the Beretta M9 was chosen to be out country's sidearm. That pistol has been more battle proven then any handgun in existence. My M9A1 is my bedside home defense gun and I have 100 percent faith in it's ability to function if needed.

[@roundstone2020]

Dude, you make the best gun videos I've ever seen, thanks

[@stevenasser368]

Great Video! Both the M9 and the Sig P226 are excellent firearms! Both incredibly reliable and if properly maintained will continue to function as intended. These things are tanks .

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

Agreed.

[@markanthonypar-wise1499]

Yup. You would think they would come to the same conclusion especially since it malfunctioned the Beretta and Sig 226.

[@donwyoming1936]

I was issued both the Beretta & Sig during my career. Neither ever failed me. I really enjoy hearing how indepth the testing was.

[@lynnlittle8671]

My two favorite handguns, the Sig P226/229, and the Beretta 92X. My favorite carry gun is my Sig P229 Legion.

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

The frame and slide breakage at a very low round count on a bunch of those pistols is a head scratcher.

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd thats wild they didnt have quality assurance down before goin for a military contract.

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd id love to see it. Im a nerd for that type of stuff.

[@tmasdad]

Great take on the XM9 Program! Thanks! The first pistol I ever bought was in 1986, and it was a Barretta Model 92F (M9). I still have that pistol, and if something goes bump in the night, it continues to be my go-to pistol. It was good enough for Bruce Willis in “Die Hard”, and it’s good enough for me. 😂

[@mghegotagun]

Looking for a new rifle platform. Air force is first to push for the AR15. Looking for a 9x19 handgun. Air force is already eying up the M92. I think the ordinance core should be the air force's responsibility at this point.

[@donwyoming1936]

💯 I've been saying this for years. The USAF was also the 1st to adopt the Glock 19 as a substitute standard in 1991.

[@JD-tn5lz]

Brings to mind...even a broken clock is correct twice a day. No thanks. Not that I have so much faith in the US Army on making the choice, it's that relying on the USAF for the best infantry or ground combat arms weapon is essentially just hoping to get lucky.

[@epiccowboymemes2042]

Real

[@JD-tn5lz]

​@@donwyoming1936remember two things..."substitute" and that procurement with an eye for non-combat arms personnel in very limited quantities is VERY different than selecting a weapon that'll work for a Marine at -40f while visiting Norway or a GI under the muck at Jungle Warfare School. Why stop at small arms? Why not have the USAF select warships and landing craft too? Maybe they'll get lucky there also.

[@TyrsMissingArm]

@@JD-tn5lz Check out how serious the Air Force takes Air Base Defense and protection of assets.

[@DerekJones1081962]

This was very well presented. I recently had a chance to handle and shoot a new commercial beretta 92 and loved it. It was smoother and had better balance than I remembered the older pistols to be. I'd own one again if I could afford one, but my budget is tight again thanks to Bidenomics.

[@abigbrownbear]

The M9A1 is my CCW choice everyday to protect my family and myself. I can listen to the history of the 92FS all day. Thanks.

[@star9732]

This is like using a dumb truck for a daily commuter.

[@ReverendMeat51]

@@star9732 No it isn't.

[@epiccowboymemes2042]

​@@star9732Overly reliable and you can push the other competition out of the way? Horrible analogy!

[@star9732]

@ it’s needlessly big and heavy. You’re torturing yourself hauling that thing around. It’s 2024 not 1985. Did you walk barefoot to school uphill both ways?

[@epiccowboymemes2042]

@@star9732 Okay boomer

[@ianberry5879]

The M9 is a fantastic service pistol, many of the complaints around it were due to magazine issues. That said if I had to choose to equip a standing army, I would choose the P226 over the Beretta.

[@fatcat3211]

The Sig fiasco extends to LEO as well. It's beyond me why the Sig 320 is awarded so many govt. contracts.

[@jeffersondaviszombie2734]

Corruption

[@John-li6tn]

​@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 "coruption" possibly but the primary reason is whatever the Military/Federal Government orders Law Enforcement/Civilian market buys. This is why companies sell Military/Federal Government for $175. & Civilians pay $600. or more for the same product, just look at the price for the Magazines, $9 to $11.00 compared to $30 or more for Civilian market.

[@UnworthySeraphim]

(((Cohen))) people type corruption

[@DK-gy7ll]

Lowest bidder. If an agency wants a new pistol, and SIG meets their requirements and gives them the best bid, it's pretty hard to convince the book keepers to let them pick something else instead.

[@jeffersondaviszombie2734]

@DK-gy7ll that's what they want you to think.

[@3wheelmannc860]

I like Sig, but not a huge fan of the P320, especially as a "duty" tool with the many issues noted. I like the P229/P226 line. The original use M9's were very well built, but for me they are too grip chunky. The M9A4 is one of my favs with the Vertx style grip. I hope to pick up a LTT version some day.

[@Goldenwithaleash]

Love these deep dive types of videos on military procurement. The 80’s action movie fan in me loves the M9 but if I personally had to choose one, it would be the 226.

[@MiguelFunmail]

I bought an M9 recently and the hammer started marring , I had a terrible service trying to get ahold of someone in Berettas Customer Service. I do love the design!

[@keithbarron3654]

I was stationed at Roosevelt roads, PR from 1986-8. Used to have SEALS come thru. They had the S&W 9 mm guns, they hated them due to breakage of slide and frame, believe this maintenance info was used in court cases. The Barrettes had been stress tested by Conn State troopers, they found problems and improved. After they were purchased and several other states went with them, believe this helped getting the contract. Several other changes had been made, but with these contracts, manufacturering was moved to US sooner then originally planned. A small portion would be assembled here til factory built.

[@oleboy7615]

None of these guns were built to take the punishment of +P+ ammo, so a lot of problems related to firearms failure can be traced back to ammo selection, not the gun itself. That particular S&W has been used by numerous military and LE agencies all over the world with no issues. Use proper ammo. Funny how that works.

[@chrisragone8785]

BERETTA

[@keithbarron3654]

@chrisragone8785 no they were S&w, bought outside of regular procurement, aluminum and steel, the slide would come back and slice top of arm. The SEALS were used to it occurring.

[@rogiervis2306]

I remember the stories here on Holland about how bad the beretta was and that it broke all the time. The 92 had a bad reputation in the late 1990's here, caused by the stories from the US

[@GrumpyNCO]

Funny how we're seeing the same thing with the P320 now...

[@Andrew_NJ]

@@GrumpyNCO Not really the P320 problems were known way before the Army selected it.

[@GrumpyNCO]

@Andrew_NJ so did the beretta

[@dogwoodhillbilly]

That's because of 2 reasons. One, they didn't regularly clean and maintain their M9s and let them get beat up. Two, the ones the military got were of a lower quality standard than the commercial variants.

[@RCXDerp]

@@dogwoodhillbilly They got cheapo mags and they were beat to shit

[@tigerman3]

I own and love both pistols. Thanks for the outstanding presentation!

[@tomemida]

I love my 92SB (pre-F series) and it has worked flawlessly over thousands of rounds. I had to carry the P226 as a duty weapon and didn't care for it, especially fit to my hand.

[@ryanfreeman9684]

Thank you very much we love all of em

[@ldiggs9072]

OG Facts base only channel.

[@cokedaz]

Thank you for this. I knew a lot of it but not a few of those finer details. It makes a lot more sense now. Especially the +P+ issue. Thanks for the video. M9/92FS best and coolest looking handgun probably of all time imo.

[@irafowlerjr.7492]

Fantastic, really enjoyed , love them both. Thanks

[@lowellhouser7731]

The new SIG 320-ish.... it has full modularity that will be ignored because each unit will order it, configure every pistol to one standard configuration, and then put all the extra parts on a shelf never to be seen again. All for a pistol that doesn't work right. Wonder how many officers got golden parachutes to ram that through. I was a fan of the M9A3, myself.

[@great_deception]

Where do you get your information, the military has been ordering the small and large grip modules for the M17/M18 for years. It's even a cheap route to go, if a frame cracks or gets abused so badly on a traditional pistol like the M9 or even a Glock, the gun is scrapped, if the same thing happens to a P320, a $40 grip module fixes the issue.

[@lowellhouser7731]

@@great_deception Easy. I was an 0311. I know exactly how this works.

[@great_deception]

@@lowellhouser7731 Then you should know....

[@therideneverends1697]

@@great_deception ordering VS using are two different things. They ORDERED alot of left and right M16a1 handgaurds, but somehow i can still find cases of left handgaurds that have not been made since the late 70s at surplus auctions but right handgaurds are hens teeth

[@ModernRefugee]

I always enjoy the information I get from this channel. Thank you.

[@pt8946]

Another great presentation from one of the best, thank you for putting out this type of content.

[@doloface23]

I always liked the p226 more

[@hondasaurusrex6998]

Great insight! Happy Vets day to you!

[@monsoonthagoon]

Great video! I can't believe this is my first time to the channel, subbed so I won't miss out on more.

[@fanman8102]

Excellent, thanks! I have experience with both these excellent pistols however, when given a choice, I will stick with the USP40.

[@JD-tn5lz]

Fact is, folks need to see that government is supposed to be a responsible steward of the tax dollars you pay. Also, remember, that in a military sense, a sidearm not only is not a secondary weapon, it is almost always tertiary...a weapon of desperation much like an e-tool or K-bar. Even as an NCO (USMC; mortars) I kept my sidearm in a plastic baggie and always, and I mean always, carried my M16 though I didn't "have to." In law enforcement it's different. The sidearm is primary, odds are that when you get involved in a shooting, it'll be with your sidearm. Having had careers in both, my first concern with a personal weapon was not the "finer points" but will it function in every condition that I can function in?

[@happyhaunter_5546]

The M17 MHS program HAD to have been money laundering. No reason to not stay with the M9. Both the M9 and 226 are great; love both, only prefer the M9 because I have a lot more practice with it. G decocker is a must for me. Thanks Chris.

[@lawtongore7053]

I had an army buddy that was sent TDY to test those pistols in either 1983 or 1984??? He told me that they thought that the Beretta was a winner winner chicken dinner 😂

[@TheKiltedGerman]

I've always loved the M9, but this channel setting the record straight is what made it my all time favorite pistol.

[@mpwmu9041]

I have subbed to Small Arms Solutions for 8 years. I still don't get notifications when new vids drop. Bell clicked. Great stuff per usual CB.

[@MehdiDastoor]

Incredible video

[@AKlover]

Largely thanks to your channel I’m probably going to buy an M-9A4 once the gun market crashes a little bit more. When the time came years back about a CZ 75 instead. Just to clarify no regrets in that choice

[@springbloom5940]

Turn it upside down and listen for the click. The disconnector falls away from the trigger bar and it wont fire.

[@steven3379]

Got both, 92X RDO Compact and P220 Legion 10mm SAO. Good video Chris. Thanks for sharing.

[@vitoscaletta7151]

Surprised to hear about FN voluntarily withdrew the HP-DA considering the Finnish adopted it and have used it for decades

[@wheelguns4wheelmen802]

I use a Langdon Tactical 92G RDO for limited optics and a Girsan Regard (Turkish 92G clone) for production, but I carry a SIG 226 in .40 S&W when I’m in bear/mountain lion territory hunting, fishing, camping, etc. In other words, the 92 shoots great, but I trust my P226 more and the decocker placement and blocky slide make clearing malfunctions and avoiding malfunctions easier than the open top slide with slide-mounted safety that the 92 features.

[@assassin40oz]

I remember being at NSWC Crane for an armorers course, and Paul Hill told us about some of this.

[@johnh.2340]

D, wazz up? Yup, much respect to Mr. Hill and company.

[@svenjonsson9]

The part that is really shocking is that it was a military small arms contract to purchase sidearms for the WHOLE military, and was only $75 million! 1980 dollars and program management at work.

[@joethebourbonman]

This is a very good breakdown of the history. I think it's really interesting, though I do think it's amusing how there are people in the gun community that are still arguing the Sig vs Beretta thing 40 years after the trials...obviously both are good guns. I am a fan of the M9 largely because it was the issued gun during most of my time in the military--though I definitely saw some really worn out M9s and questionable Checkmate magazines issued. I think the writing was on the wall that the US was going to go to a striker fired system. To me the Glock is still the obvious choice, and it's firmly entrenched in SOCOM, but for mass issue the US is still holding on to the idea of a manual safety. While I'm not overly impressed by the "modularity" aspect of the 320 design, I do think it was smart to adopt the M18 and the M17, rather than what we had previously with most units having M9s, but a few M11s floating around with a totally separate set of logistical requirements. I personally enjoy shooting the 320 design and haven't had issues with my commercial Sig, but obviously there is a lot reported about potential safety issues with them. I don't know much of that is on the design, or just user error, but I suspect with time the truth with come out.

[@celmer6]

Great video Chris! Personally I always preferred the Beretta 92S with it's frame mounted safety like my 1911's. The Taurus PT99 with it's frame safety and magazine at the trigger guard instead of on the heel was a real Home Run. I've owned them since the 1980's and All of them have been running with no problems or failures. Just spring replacement's so far. Keep up the good work Chris.

[@pillscottvt6628]

West German girls were hot.

[@michaelclausen9331]

totally random comment...but I like it!

[@pillscottvt6628]

@@michaelclausen9331 P226 100% w/German in the day.

[@RatInCage-E102]

Were?

[@dbmail545]

I have always hated the feel of the Beretta and never had any enthusiasm for its exposed trigger bar. However the trajectory of Sig-USA in its race to the bottom may prove the Beretta a better choice.

[@usmcvet0313]

19x would have probably been the safest bet for an upgrade. Glock has been widely proven reliable for decades. Given the gov was offered the M9A3 for the same contract price as the original M9, that was their best option.

[@printolive955]

While I was a Marksmanship instructor at Stone Bay NC rifle range USMC. Secretary of the Navy Ball came to SB to fire/check out the M9 when they reopened competition, in the late 80s. I gave him a class on the XM4 rifle and the M16A1, A2, To show the differences. I’m not sure if we had any effect on out comes. He was a good student and attentive.

[@andrewom679]

Having used both, both are good pistols. The Sig feels better, I can't explain exactly why, but the Beretta felt fine. The S&W lost because they simply didn't know how to make a decent semi-auto in the 80s. Back to the winners, both work very well. The Sig simply looks and feels cooler. Having also used Glocks extensively, I would put them in the middle of the other two. I would not hesitate to carry any of them into a gunfight. The Border Patrol has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Beretta is combat capable.

[@davidgiles9751]

My first pistol was a 92FS that I bought post Desert Shield/Storm in 1991. I still own it, and have no idea how many rounds I've put through it. With the exception of a crap off brand "high capacity" magazine I bought (that I ended up throwing away), it' been 100% reliable. I might end up wanting that pistol to be buried with me. PS: I'd love it if the US Military ended up with a M9 variant based on a 92G Centurion Vertec (with the exchangeable grip).

[@NCrdwlf]

We had bad reliability with the M9, until they updated the ammo. It had more stopages than my clapped out ithaca 1911 during familiarization and subsequent qualification. It was a big let down for us. As MPs we were never allowed to carry with mags in the weapon in USAREUR, so it didnt matter much anyway . It would have been the pretty pistol that stayed in the holster as we got dusted .

[@Gieszkanne]

The German Bundeswehr also cracked their slides of the strong build USP "P8". They used very hot over pressure loads that were designed for MP usage.

[@pamelastewart1089]

Any more information you have on this? A link to an article perhaps? I'd like to read more about that. Any more information is appreciated. Thanks.

[@Gieszkanne]

@@pamelastewart1089 Only in German. And you wont get more info out of that than I wrote already.

[@Stab_Knifewind]

Always informative and unbiased breakdowns. Thanks Chris.

[@nlwilliamsj]

One thing I never liked about the Beretta when shooting them in the Coast Guard was the slide mounted safety. I picked up a SIG 226 at a gun show and liked the frame mounted decocker a lot better. The CG later switched to a SIG but it was double action only, which I also disliked. I think the SEALs went the the better pistol.

[@agentoranj5858]

DAO is so stupid. Imagine the SIG P250 as DA/SA, would have been so much better than the P320 trainwreck.

[@great_deception]

A DA/SA with a manual safety is such overkill and redundancy. The 22x was so much better though out, just a point and shoot pistol. They are awesome

[@workingguy-OU812]

It's been rumored that the USA went with the Berretta as a political deal where Italy would USA's allow nuclear weapons to be stored/transported through Italy. Back end deals like that often don't get written down to history though. Out of the four choices, it was easily the best choice at the time. But a question arises as to what other pistols should have been submitted for testing at the time?

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

Was a false rumor. It was an open competition for anyone to submit as long as they met the criteria of the program.

[@wolfedudle]

Your videos are the highlight of my week!

[@wayneburton3168]

Thanks Mike

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

Who is Mike?

[@lynch6642]

Martin Riggs: open feed port, no jams

[@ted356]

Good video, as usual!

[@oso1165]

Langdon tactical has a few berettas with 50k rounds on them. Paul harrels m9 was over 6 figure round counts lol

[@davidschaadt3460]

Real good program, Chris. The Beretta 92 FS, I have shoots much better than the Sig 320 that i have. Plus the stories about the accidental Sig discharges has me hesitant to carry it with a round in the chamber.

[@johnm5695]

Stanley staple gun 😂. Great video as always.

[@lancebrown9019]

Carried a M-92FS for 12 years no issues and always relighable.

[@march2860]

Talk to army armors about the high MTBF of the Barrett’s locking blocks. Rendered the pistol inop.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

You mean the third party out of spec locking blocks???

[@Dan-sm3ru]

My dad was one of the ordnance guys during the trial and they said they all chose the Ruger P85 but were ignored cause the adoption of weapons is "all politics"

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

The P85 was not entered in the original XM9 Trials.

[@Dan-sm3ru]

@SmallArmsSolutions sorry XM10 a couple years later

[@MrSLF]

Thank you. 👍

[@SSgt-]

I once owned a S&W 659, it was not a handgun I’d bet my life on.

[@xusmico187]

mine too. TOO much galling between slide and frame..

[@SSgt-]

@ It was a jamomatic.

[@Patriotx-gx4ce]

Thanks for info. And bringing facts about testing process!

[@BA-oy9uo]

you included a photo of the vp70 again instead of the p7m13

[@j.mangum7652]

Failed:(

[@mikedillon6233]

I have to say that was an outstanding discussion on the two pistols that were involved in the trials back then. I agree, I really wish they had gone with the upgraded pistol As a way to save so much money It's not even funny.

[@charliediep]

19:07 Can anyone provide a source on this Beretta lawsuit against the US Government?

[@DudeInWalmart]

I made a mistake of using my Beretta to test reloads. Turns out it will eat and spit out anything bad or not. Ended up with several thousands rounds that only worked in that gun.

[@stevenkennedy4130]

IMO they should of went with the P226 & 19X. That being said I like the 92 FS well enough. Thanks for the share!!

[@lancekilkenny721]

Wrong text. This is how we got the Beretta.

[@HB-kp6rl]

I appreciate the intro is nice and not fluff.

[@DeadPollo]

The m17 shoots well, It shoots so well infact It wants to shoot even when you don't want to

[@peoplehavetherights]

After all said and done, the Glock, as little I like them, has proven more durable, reliable, with half the number of parts used, and more than suggests that IT remains the most proven concept over fifty years.

[@lionelhutz3142]

It's amazing how the XM9 trials will live on in military history. Government and military employees actually did work back then. Who would have thought? 😂

[@jamesgunnyreed]

The M9 was in service throughout my entire career. I first qualified with it in as a LCpl in 1994 and continued to do so until I retired in 2012. I never experienced any failures that were pistol related. A couple stove pipes here and there. And I had one once that from time to time fire a 2 rnd burst. Which once you got used to worked great for the 2 shot drills at 7 yds in the USMC Pistol Qualification. These were all issued pistols from the armory that were used and abused hard by Marines. Hard to tell how old they were. I know some of them were damn near silver from the finish being nearly worn off. Id love to have the newer M9A4 but the price is ridiculous compared to the M18.

[@eisenkrieg553]

Christ, I was born and graduated from high school in those years.

[@scubasteve743]

As much as I love the m9 platform, have a sig 226 would’ve been sweet

[@borkwoof696]

Where can I find the full test results?

[@boostimalaka1]

An LAPD officer was able to shoot a charging knife suspect with his Beretta 92 F in 2024. Just to prove that those officers who were issued the Beretta are still using them. I know the original 147 grain hollowpoint ammunition had a terrible reputation for over penetration. An LA County Sheriff Deputy shot a robbery suspect and the bullet went through the bad guy and through the glass striking the store employee killing him. The longer barrel of the Beretta pistol is optional for most 9mm ammunition.

[@brianjuergensmeyer8809]

For me, the biggest problem with the 92FS/M9 was that the grip/length of pull was insanely big. We'd had 1911s in my unit, and I was able to use it effectively and it fit me remarkably well. For the M9, the grip width was just stupidly wide, and the length of pull on top of that made it virtually impossible for me to shoot effectively. I understand what you're saying about the M17 (I have a Sig P320 that I wouldn't DARE carry). But leaving out the M17's autostart issues, the concept of allowing a soldier with large (or small) hands to swap the grip for something that fit better? Yeah.. I'd have been up for that in the M9.

[@HarryPrimate]

I have fired an H&K VP70 and to compare the trigger pull to a staple gun is not fair……to the staple gun.

[@SmallArmsSolutions]

It most definitely is.