3 Reasons NOT To Buy The NEW Weber Summit Kamado (1 Yr Review)

[@jeffficht2230]

I completely agree with this video. I sold my first KJ to buy the Summit with built in table. I was able to get it at cost for $1200 at the time. I ended up selling it and going back to KJ. Just liked the versatility of the KJ way better. Now I use the PK 360 (can take it camping) and a stick burner. As someone stated previously the new Spider grill looks amazing. Hope you can get one to test.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

100% on the versatility as the main limitation / difference to others. I hope to test that as well in the future

[@jibronCee]

​@@SmokingDadBBQ yes please review the spider grills Huntsman! Love your videos, it's a great intro to Kamados for someone like me coming from a pellet grill. I'm deciding between the new Huntsman or a Grilla Grills (my budget is $800-$900)

[@bassman7496]

I was torn between the PK 360 and the Weber Komodo! I bought the PK 360 and use it like a Komodo with a heat deflector! It seems to have a better build quality compared to the Weber!

[@tonyurquhart7130]

Hi James, sorry I have to disagree with you. I have had the original Weber Summit with cart for 4 years. I bought it for $1900 cdn, inclusive of taxes. The advantages are that it is relatively lightweight and I can roll it around my yard. I don’t have to worry about damaging ceramics which is not warrantied by KJ and BGE. I have the double SS diffuser which makes it fuel efficient and does not burn a foil aluminum water pan I may put on top of it, under a brisket. I really like the port hole that fits my Thermoworks Billows and Signals. I can put a 20 lb brisket on in the evening and go to bed without having to babysit temps. I don’t need to lift the hinges to add charcoal, even after a long brisket cook, I still have charcoal left over. I share your concerns about reverse searing etc, but I have a Weber kettle kitted out with a SNS and vortex. Also, I have a 18” WSM with a Rib hanger, for more than 2 racks of ribs. I prefer the ribs laying horizontally in my Summit if I only cook two. I really like the original Summit and consider it one tool in my arsenal. Cheers.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I too prefer the original summit. That’s the first one I used and liked

[@mindhead1]

I picked up a Weber Summit Kamado E6 for $1100 earlier this year. It replaced a 15 year old BGE that I was barely using since the nest went empty. Prior to the E6 I was primarily using a 20 year old Weber kettle. For me the E6 replaced 2 grills. I love the versatility. I agree the S6 is overpriced. However the removal of the propane starter was a feature improvement IMO. Charcoal chimney is my preferred lighting method. The other reason I like the E6 is the lighter weight over the BGE. It was very easy to move the E6 from the back patio to the front driveway and store in the garage for cooks during the winter months. It’s easier to move around in general with no worries of an accidental drop and cracked ceramic which is a plus. I plan on taking it with me to a few family outings this summer so I can cook on it vs the gas grills some of the relatives ask me to cook on. Lastly, I’m not a big accessories guy. Rotisserie, Santa Maria, pizza wedges. I have no use for them, but I can see where that would be a draw back for some. On the wing cook and the airflow/smoke flow. Don’t use the slow and sear. I’ve had great results with the Vortex. The heat/smoke radiating from the center cook’s chicken, thighs, ribs evenly with good smoke flavor throughout. These are my opinions. I appreciate the Smoking Dad perspective, but am very happy with my E6.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Thanks. Last think this review for is to cause any dissatisfaction for current owners. It’s a great grill. I just don’t think it has the facts to justify being first choice in a competitive field

[@1882dmac]

@@SmokingDadBBQ It depends, I definitely love your channel. If you are talking about options, then the KJ is better (accessories) the KJ is better. But if you are talking about the everyday grill and smoking. I don't see how the KJ BJ is better at the price increase.

[@johngravino8881]

I made a comment here previously, and cannot find it. Good barbecue comes down to 3 variables: Flavor, Tenderness, Juiciness. In the category of flavor is the subcategory of smokiness. A pitmaster understands how to achieve these qualities in good barbecue. Then he has to understand how his machine must be set up in order to achieve the desired end. I chose the Weber Summit Kamado and get great results in all 3 categories when I set up the cook properly and monitor the cook adequately. GREAT BARK! Be careful with your scientific tests not to fall into scientism. If you use the same cooking conditions for different barbecues, you create the APPEARANCE of a controlled experiment. But in doing that, you necessarily are handicapping one of the barbecues. Different barbecues require DIFFERENT cooking conditions to get the desired results. For example, I have found that cooking times on the Summit are shorter. And for long smokes, it is desirable to wrap at lower temps because the bark forms quite early in the Summit. Barbecue is all about the food. If the food is good, then why complain about the barbecue? FACT: THE WEBER SUMMIT KAMADO DEMOLISHES MOST OTHER BARBECUES IN TEMPERATURE CONTROL. DID YOU EVER OVER SHOOT YOUR TEMP IN THE KAMADO JOE? GOOD LUCK GETTING THE TEMP BACK DOWN. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL FOR THE WEBER SUMMIT. AND TEMP CONTROL IS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF GOOD BARBECUE. HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THIS ON ANY OF YOUR VIDEOS? THANKS!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I think the taste differences between any of the top Kamado brands are negligible and highly subjective.... If we put 100 people in a room and asked them what coffee tastes best we would never get consensus and the same is true of ones smoke pallet & preferences. from a versatility standpoint, the new heat deflector is less accommodating to adding wood than the first generation summit was where the flip up grate and deflector made quick work of accessing the fire which is no longer possible. There are comments from current and past weber owners saying the same thing as me on this

[@TravC1854]

As owner of an S6 who has cooked on many different grills/cookers, the WSK is hands down my favorite for its versatility. Loving the detailed reviews - keep’m coming, SD! More deets… I typically use my WSK in offset mode with a SNS Low Profile. I also love to drop the coals to the bottom and go Chud Box style. For long smokes overnight I set up a double indirect by using KJ Half Moon ceramics on top of the metal deflector (creating a small air gap without blocking any holes) then set the Kick Ash 18” Stainless Drip Pan on that (molded feet add another air gap). This setup has been a game changer for my long cooks. I’ll admit, if you are looking a Kamado cooker primarily for long low and slow smokes, you may be better off with a ceramic setup like the KJ with SloRoller or a Pellet. If you don’t mind the radiant heat from the metal deflector on the WSK (or don’t mind just grabbing a set of KJ Ceramics) to gain all the versatility - The WSK is like having a Smokey Mountain, Kamado, Kettle, and Chud Box all in one! 🔥🤙🫶 My WSK kit… SNS Low Profile a.co/d/235EwOx SNS 22" Stainless Steel Drip and Griddle Pan a.co/d/fozh8jq Kick Ash WSK Basket kickashbasket.com/products/weber-summit-kick-ash-basket Kick Ash 18" Stainless Steel Drip Pan kickashbasket.com/products/kick-ash-drip-pan-18 Kick Ash Super Lifter kickashbasket.com/products/kick-ash-super-lifter KJ Classic Joe Half Moon Ceramic Deflectors Model (KJ-HDP) a.co/d/hDyWqH3 KJ 24" Karbon Steel Griddle (KJ15094622) a.co/d/0gMd5cO Weber Charcoal Rake a.co/d/2vkgUsv

[@elchuginho]

Had the KJ BJ3, BGE XL (2022 model), and Weber summit charcoal grill non center. The KJBJ3 was the one that struggled the most when I filled it up with 4 briskets. The top level of divide and conquer wouldn’t fit an expansion rack and the only way to accommodate 4 briskets was to use the second level which limited drip pan space. The sloroller in my experience was a gimmick and still charred some of the briskets. All the accessories/components I had for the KJ made it overwhelming especially for storing them in a place far away from the Kamado (since Kj has little to no space underneath). The BGE XL fit 4 briskets perfectly using the Eggspander, and the WSCG also fits 4 full packers using a KJ ceramic grill store elevated grate with enough clearance to not touch the dome. For smoking I feel the ceramics are slightly more consistent than WSCG. Might be moisture retention not really sure why. Both KJ and BGE support was impossible to reach when I tried. The claims of the lifetime warranty are debunked for me if I can’t even get a hold of customer support. With Weber I get a 1 day wait time for a response which is ideal for most. I have an offset 94gal and a WSM 22.5” if I wanted to use a dedicated smoker. Kamado’s are really good for efficient multi-purpose cooking which is a drawback for smoking around 250-275 since the smoke is too clean to produce offset or even WSM quality. The smoke is a little more pungent in my opinion on kamado’s when cooking on low temps. Will have you burping smoke all day which is not a good feeling 😅. To conclude, I kept my WSCG over the two ceramic since it’s just as efficient in cooking and fuel consumption, I have the Weber peace of mind warranty services, and shuts down fast plus comes up to temp quicker than ceramics. WSCG/WSK is way more forgiving when trying to dial in temps.

[@ihatalgore]

Owner of e6 here. Great in-depth review and I always appreciate Smoking Dad's POV. His double indirect method was a game changer for me several years ago and I'll be forever grateful. Ill share my perspective: 1) S6 is unreasonably priced, but e6 is much more competitive. So all comments below are to e6. 2) I agree "new" 2nd gen heat deflector is worse, however by combining it with the 18 inch drip pan from smokeware (it fits perfectly), Id argue its better than Gen 1. By placing the stock deflector on top of the smokeware drip pan filled with water), you get one of the best "double indirect" setups on the market. The extra water creates steam that goes right through the holes in the stock drip pan and all that water acts as a major heat sink, making the fire work much harder - creating better smoke. It really excels at double indirect. You can even add a drip pan on top of the stock deflector (triple indirect?) with room to spare. 3) while the ash cleanout might feel "cheap" it is hands down the best ash management system on any kamado. I can fully clean the ash, fire my e6 up, and get it to any target temp way faster than I can on my large big green egg (which is a way smaller grill). So when I want to grill on a weeknight, I legitimately fire up the e6 over the bge because it is way faster (even if only for a few steaks). 4) Smoking Dad misses the boat entirely on the "grilling mode" for the e6. This is what sets it apart from other Kamados in my humble opinion. I can set up the e6 in 2 zone “grilling mode" (with or without charcoal baskets) and NEVER HAVE TO MOVE ANY ACCESSORIES to achieve a perfect reverse sear. While it's true you can't switch from grilling mode to Kamado mode (or vice versa) during a cook - WHY would you EVER need to? Maybe if you need to reverse sear 15 steaks? But when is the last time that actually happened? I think the e6 has one of the best reverse sear set-ups on the market right out of the box. 5) Admittedly BGE and KJ have better warranties - but it remains to be seen whether the Summit actually needs a lifetime warranty. Many kettles from the 1970s are still working perfectly in 2024. Why would the Summit be any different? 6) I agree the summit has way less thermal mass than a ceramic Kamado. But is this a bug or a feature? In my experience the e6 gets to target temp way faster and, while not quite as insulated as ceramic, it is nearly indistinguishable. The e6 holds temps like a champ (and I can get high temps using a surprisingly small amount of charcoal). And as pointed out above you can 100% do “double indirect” with the e6. Maybe I missed it, but did smoking Dad try double indirect on the e6? If so, how? It's his idea (and I love it) but I don't see where he actually tried it on the e6. 7) I agree accessories are limited. But I'd encourage anyone with an e6 to call Tom @ Ceramic Grill Store and ask about using the Adjustable Rig on the Summit. I have one and it opens up all sorts of additional headroom for doing pizza or chicken high in the dome and, my personal favorite, smoking raised direct (kind of like a child box). You can obviously do the same on BGE or KJ - but with e6 you can get to the same result as a lower price point. I am not a fan of rotisseries / doejoe, etc so accessories aren't as big a deal to me. But your mileage may vary. 8) I agree the Weber baskets are cheap, but you’d be surprised the temps you can achieve with just ONE of those baskets full on the e6. 9) I think the build quality of the stand on the e6 is a little subpar for the price. And I agree it would be challenging to put in an outdoor kitcken. 10) While I agree it would be nice to have a top vent that doesn't change settings when you close the lid - I actually haven't had this problem. For me, so much smoke and grease has baked on to the top that it “sticks" to whatever I set it on. Takes 3-4 cooks to get to this level, but it has not been an issue at all. This cooked-on smoke and grease also ensures the e6 is airtight when you shut it down. 11) If you are chasing offset flavor on a kamado (ie smoking Dad), e6 is probably not for you. In my case, I'm chasing more of a “chud box" style direct heat flavor from fat smoke. And the e6 absolutely delivers on that. It does pretty well cooking double indirect as well 12) Overall, you get less warranty with the e6 and less accessories. But you also pay less. It still feels like a premium grill and is very heavy duty. With 2 accessories (Smokeware 18 inch drip pan + Ceramic grill Store Adjustable Rig), the Summit becomes VERY competitive with any ceramic Kamado. It's not perfect but it fits all of my needs. Just my 2 cents. Love the content and keep it coming, James!

[@ihatalgore]

Forgot 1 thing - because the stock deflector has holes around the rim, if you use my "double indirect" setup mentioned above, you can easily REFILL the Smokeware water pan mid-cook just using a pipe and a watering can.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

thanks for taking the time to share your input for people in the market

[@polsok44]

Well said points

[@johns6481]

You also are not supposed to use briquettes in a ceramic. Briquettes are the preferred fuel when it comes to consistency on low and slow smokes. Lump preferred for hot and fast.

[@assflap]

To point number 4) Its actually really easy to switch from grilling to kamado (and vice versa), I do it all the time. Just leave the charcoal grate in the lower position, If you want kamado put in the deflector plate, if you want to grill swap out the deflector plate for a 20-22 inch round grill grate/ half moon plate where the deflector plate would be. Perfect for reverse searing/2zone cooking, and can easily do it in reverse. In regard to point 10) Yes it does stick once the grease is baked in, now im having the opposite problem, its very hard to turn until the cooker warms up loosening the grease. So now i have to clean it off occasionally, but I cant clean too much of it off otherwise its too slippery and loses its setting whenever I open the cooker. Definitely gonna try some of your double deflector setups as that sounds interesting

[@AndrewTomassetti]

Great thorough video, helpful as someone looking for their first kamado. I have a Fontana wood fired oven and a WK currently, looking to get a kamado to potentially replace the kettle as a main cooker. I do love the offset top vent on the kettle, and understand that for the Summit Kamado they've placed it on top as other Kamado's do. You had mentioned this as one of the drawbacks of the Weber Summit, but wouldn't that be drawback of all kamado's? If this would produce a dirtier smoke or "ashtray" like flavour in the Summit, would it not be the same in a KJ or BGE if the same accessories and setup was used? Just curious because if that was one of the reasons to not get this, over another Kamado, i'd want to know if the others would produce the same effect. Love the video's! By the way, i'm specifically looking for a Kamado to build into an outdoor kitchen, one of the drawbacks I find with the Summit is it's one of the only kamado's that can't stand on its own. Barely any videos/pictures of successful built ins. I wish they made a model with feet, that bottom ash bin could have been replaced with a more robust cleanout and a housing that could support it as a standalone. My biggest gripe so far with considering this one.

[@Franklinguy759]

Hello. I own the Webber Summit I think it is outstanding for several reasons. 1. It is simple and straight forward. The lack of do dads is an advantage. The KJ requires a too many accessories to arrive at the same place. 2. It is durable. Never a worry about cracking the porcelain. 3. My results are very good. Also, I have the means to purchase any of the grills on your deck and if i needed to buy one tomorrow it would be another WSK. Your videos very well prepared and have data to support your opinion however I believe that learning to use what you have is more valuable than data alone. One last thing , this is a barbecue grill, not the space shuttle. Great respect for your videos. Respectfully from Pa.

[@1882dmac]

I really wanted to get the KJ but the price increase pushed me the to Weber Kamado. When you consider the price $1200 vs the KJ BJ I went with Weber. Still don't think it was a bad choice.

[@universaldonor3100]

for all the reasons you mentioned I found I was always pulling out my PK360 grill for my bbq and leaving my Weber Summit S6 protecting the corner of the garage

[@lucaslee1483]

Some valid points. However. It's much cheaper than a Kamado Joe 3 in the same size, weighs far less, won't crack and is quicker to correct over temperature than ceramic Kamados. The lack of accessories and cheap heat deflector are absolutely true.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

yes, kj kind of like smart phones has three versions. The series 1 with cart is 50% less and the series 3 with 3 tier cooking rack, sloroller and gear etc. is $2999 usd and more expensive than either summit model

[@johns6481]

And you have next to no storage on any of them. Do you have to walk to the garage every time you want your deflector plate? What about when you don’t want it? Sorry but piling up junk under the Kamado when not in use is a sloppy look. Summit with cart has massive amounts of storage under the Kamado and under the table. Dedicated slot for the deflector out of site out of mind, no one even knows it’s there. The table is stainless steel and holds up to all the elements. Perfect for chopping, cooking, prep work, etc. also has a massive sealed container for more storage of your choice, also has a pull out drawer for keeping anything you want from rags to thermometers, to gloves, you name it. You can literally stack fire wood under the table of a summit. Kj gives you a foldable composite “shelf” that gets eaten up by UV rays in two years. You can’t even sit a beer on it without it falling over cause it’s not a flat surface. It’s small and not a work station. Just a shelf to set something on. Hardly useful for someone preparing food in an outdoor setting. KJ makes you believe you need all these gimmicky accessories to make good food and that is simply not the case.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@johns6481 well I decently agree there’s lots of stuff, perhaps too much with the leading ceramic brands between stones, grids etc but I do personally prefer versatility vs the absence of choice along with the lower starting price for the bar min config with useful shelves

[@grantandjanice]

I find your review and criticisms here totally disingenuous. Everyone is fully aware you are a Kamado Joe fan boy. It would not surprise me in the least if Kamado Joe paid you to specifically give the Summit Kamado some negative press. You are specifically picking out "non-issues" and trying to make them sound like they are of any concern. Not to mention you are using Weber Summit S6 pricing when you should be using E6 pricing when comparing to the greatly overpriced Kamado Joe - where you should be using the BIG JOE pricing as well. Didn't mention that a Big Joe is going to cost you close to $3000 in Canada... Add in the Slo Roller (because you mentioned airflow issues in kamado grills which does NOT exclude the KJ line) onto the Big Joe and you are now approaching $3500.00 to eliminate the same issues on the KJ. Start adding on all those KJ accessories, and you could easily be pushing $5000 for a KJ and (unneeded) accessories.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

It seems you missed the section that I am not being paid by anyone to make this video nor do I profit if you buy any grill from any Kamado company. Beyond my own testing, I've partnered with a top engineering university who is doing CFD studies on all Kamado's as a consumer there is no way to validate on companies claims on performance unlike if we are shopping for a vehicle where magazines might validate claims of 0-60 times, fuel economy etc. and or a new computers CPU claims might be subjected to an industry standard benchmark. The Big Joe costs 2999 USD and is way more in Canadian dollars FYI. If you missed the expanded test that was briefly referenced in this video it lives here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4TUequZe55prMk with expanded IR camera, temp points, deflector and evaporative cooling tests

[@WorldOfWeber]

​@@SmokingDadBBQ Same here and we like your channel normally. You seem to have shat over the Weber Summit Kamado, comparing apples with pears

[@romanianredneckbbq]

I agree with you!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@romanianredneckbbq if consumer reports were to do this review how do you think they would rank a grill that costs more than comparable segment leaders, has less warranty, is less versatile in terms of out the box functionality, is more limited for table installation, has less oem accessories and in the performance tests did worse? I totally respect you may not like this review but I worked hard to make this fair and fact based and I didn’t see any plausible way to have the summit in first place given the numerous trade offs above

[@BalanBro2]

As an S6 owner, he is spot on with the criticisms. I have been very happy with mine, but for sure they are overpriced for what you get. I needed a large grill and mobility, so I went the Weber route since it's much lighter, but in nearly every other way, the KJ is the better product. Thankfully, many BIG Joe accessories do work (I even modified the Joetisserie to fit my Summit) but after all these years, even Weber doesn't seem committed to supporting this product.

[@chadh983]

Do you know how many Honda Civics I could buy for the price of a Bentley?

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Haha good one

[@jyfjgtyuh]

I own the Weber summit for one year now and I think that it's a fantastic grill. It replaced a reverse flow offset smoker, a Webber kettle and a large gas grill. It can do all the things that all 3 grills/smoker did, with a better flavor than the gas grill, same flavor as the smoker and much better fuel efficiency than the kettle and the smoker. It can run full day without loading any fuel. As for the price - I agree, I think that it should be priced at 700$ for the base model, and 1000$ for the cart version. Here in Europe it is priced at 1400 euro for the base version, while Kamado Joe big Joe III is more than twice at 2950 Euro. You get more accessories with the big Joe, but I found out that adding a charcoal basket for 35 euro is all I needed. The only disadvantage I found for the Weber is that it is very difficult to integrate it into an outdoor kitchen due to the dimensions.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i know this gets lost in the video, but i agree its an excellent grill. Perhaps the best grill i am not keeping, and the family i gave it to after is loving it. For me the kitchen integration is a big deal but for some thats a non issue

[@justinr9753]

I love the honesty in your review! I have the WSM 22 and Flameboss temp controller, when I'm sleepy i move the food from offset to WSM and go to sleep

[@Cbbq]

As an owner of a Weber Kamado, the lack of accessories is by far my biggest complaint

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

It’s a large part of what makes a Kamado a Kamado (being a jack of all trades, extended further with third party and or original brand accessories) agreed

[@garethmillen5417]

Yea literally had to buy a big Joe rotisserie and butcher it to make it fit.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@garethmillen5417 it should fit ok, a little play / wiggle of the dome and mine sealed up just fine. same with the dojoe and dc rack ... not a perfect fit but i did get them in

[@johngravino8881]

@@SmokingDadBBQ Hey SmokingDad! I've been on here in the recent past to defend the Weber Kamado. But truthfully, I AGREE with your criticism on 2 out of 3 of your points. It's absolutely over priced. I bought it only because the price was in line with what you would pay for a same-sized ceramic kamado, and I was in the kamado market. So I overlooked the fact that the composition materials did not justify the price. And the total absence of accessories is unforgivable. I bought mine believing that they would eventually remedy this, and they haven't. Fortunately, OTHER companies are filling in this void somewhat. Now, with regard to the hinged deflector plate, it's not that great. The drippings sometimes fall through the hinged plates and kick up the flames which also rise up through the hinge space and burn the meat--completely defeating the purpose of a deflector plate. And try replacing the deflector plate. You can't even find a replacement on the Weber website! Really, the only explanation for Weber's neglect of their kamado is that they were never enthusiastic about the kamado generally. They probably were grudgingly responding to the popularity of the kamado in the BBQ market. Despite all the problems, I still like my Weber. I found accessories from other companies. It's much lighter in weight in comparison to ceramic. It's never going to crack or break. And the temperature control might be unmatched by any other charcoal grill. It can hold its temperature throughout long cooks at low temps or high temps. And if you need to adjust your temperature up or down, it's response time is faster than any other I've seen. This is a real advantage over ceramic kamados. As far as the quality of the food product, I've learned that every barbecue has its own unique qualities and challenges. The key to a good food product is knowing your machine and knowing how to adjust your cooking techniques to get the best results. This means that when you get a recipe from some guy with an off-set or a ceramic kamado or a pellet grill, you really do need to make adjustments to get the best results.

[@somewherefishing382]

@@garethmillen5417no you could have purchased a “Spit on fire “ product which is what I have. It’s made from 304 Steele which is superior to the casted aluminum of the Joetissrie

[@brent9933]

I have had the S6 for a few years, and i didn't pay today's prices for it. It cooks indirect very well. That being said, I'm not sure it does steaks as good as my 22 kettle. When i received it from weber, a bracket was shipped with no threads and they had to send me a replacement. The stainless basket did not fit, and they sent me a replacement. Now the gasket leaks, the gasket around the vent leaks, the deflector is rusted and the grates are rusted. Also, the igniter system has not worked in years. Weber said they will not warranty any of it. This is obviously not a lifetime grill.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Similar issues on the first one I used which belongs to a friend

[@edgewater210]

I own the original Weber Summit and purchased it after watching a very favorable review video by another BBQ reviewer on KZbin. I was able to purchase the Summit for $850.00 from a local ACE Hardware because someone ordered it, placed a deposit but did not come back to get it. Previously I had owned an original Grill Dome Kamado and really liked the quality of BBQ I could produce on that cooker. Being a fan of Weber Grills I took the plunge on the Summit and I purchased the coal basket you have for indirect cooking. I still own the Summit but only use it for high temperature grilling duties. Your review is dead on! The Weber Summit is not a good low and slow cooker. Yes, it will do the job but no matter what type of charcoal you use (Kingsford Briquets or Lump) the food the Summit produces will have a dirty smoke flavor. All of my low and slow smoking is now done on a Drum Smoker and I will soon be receiving a reverse flow stick burner. If you are reading this comment and considering the Weber Summit I recommend a hard pass - purchase a Kamado Joe.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Thanks for chiming in

[@ScottysBackYardBBQ]

They also said the Weber smokefire was no good. But iam turning out great for with mine. With no problems at all. Even won a bbq contest using it..

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i haven't used it and don't comment out of opinions devoid of experience and or supporting facts.... if its working well and you're winning comps with it smoke on

[@user-ho1yn6ms7y]

Hi James, great video! I bought a KJ classic series 2 because of your videos! I do have a question: Do you know if the three tier divide and conquer rack will fit in a classic 2? In this video you show the three tier in a big Joe series 1, so I assume it will, but curious if you’ve tried it. Thank you!

[@DrBar-B-Que-nx2ye]

James, you mentioned that you have a Lonestar Santa Maria. I am just about to drive over to Buffalo and pick up my Lonestar Pellet Grill. In speaking with Chris (the owner of Lonestar), it was my understanding that there are literally only a couple of their grills up here in Canada. Have you had the chance to use any of Lonestar's other grills aside from your Santa Maria? How did you find the process of getting your grill across the border? Also, have you had the chance to compare the Lonestar Pellet Grill using wood chips vs your offset? I think that would make for a great head to head.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I've not had an opportunity to try their pellet grills, I hear good things but i have never used one so can't speak to it. I was planning to use cross border pickups which I used for smaller items but they don't have a flat load truck and or a fork lift service so they couldn't guarantee they could ship it in Canada after receiving it so they helped connect with me another importer / freight company to get it to me. If it was less than the ~700lbs it weighs I would have taken the pick truck and a friend or two to get it

[@DrBar-B-Que-nx2ye]

@@SmokingDadBBQ Thanks for the reply. I will be going across the border to pick mine up and bring it over. FYI...I live just north of Toronto so if you are interested in doing a head to head your offset vs my Lonestar pellet running a combo of pellets and wood chips, I think that would make for a very unique and interesting video. Let me know if this is something you might want to consider.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@DrBar-B-Que-nx2ye if you’re open to me coming to try it I would be interested and can provide the food we’d cook

[@DrBar-B-Que-nx2ye]

@@SmokingDadBBQ I am very open to it. Let me get it home, seasoned and get used to it a bit and I will definitely reach out.

[@tommanseau6277]

I made a suggestion to Weber to make an insulated steel Kamado grill 2-3 years before they came out with the Summit. I wanted it to replace my rusting Chargriller Akorn. I stayed that it should be about $750 USD. Imagine my surprise when they brought out this ridiculously expensive grill. I was stunned. And it made me realize that Weber is so out of touch that I won't buy any more grills from them. I ended up with a PK 300 and it is good enough for me without headaches of serious rusting. Sure, I'll have to replace the grates, but that's years away still. 2 zone is super easy. Air management is super easy. It's smaller, doesn't have quite the number of accessories, but has a 20 year capsule warranty. I honestly think it will double that if grates are available. And it came in on budget.

[@polsok44]

I am hoping you get to test out the Pk Grill 360, not very popular yet in Canada but huge in the states so would get alot views

[@davidb4993]

I found this video to be extremely helpful as I am exactly the intended audience. I have a pellet smoker but am in the market for a komado grill. I'm still not sure the 24" is the size for me. I'll be cooking for only me and my wife 95% of the time. Looking at the Summit on Amazon the price is $1249 US and as you say the cart takes it up to $2149. When comparing to other 24" komados it is definitely on the high end. I see a Lifesmart for $799, Grilla Kong for $849, and a Komado Joe Big Joe 1 for $1199. I just don't see the value in the Summit. The lack of accessories is also off putting to me. Almost every other komado grill provides better value. You said at the beginning that if someone owned a Summit this video wouldn't change their mind. I think that is pretty evident from many of the comments. Keep up the good work!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Glad I could help

[@Ziimu]

I haven't made a purchase or purchase decision yet, but this video doesn't affect my will still to get a WSK. It only lowers my confidence in the unbiased content of your channel.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i'd love to hear one fact thats incorrect... it costs more, has less versatility, performs worse with data to back it up. If you would rather make your purchase decision in an echo-chamber of brand ambassadors that tell you nice things outside of factually true performance data be my guest

[@Ziimu]

Don't assume anything.

[@spenceralridge4958]

@@Ziimu - Is that because you are looking for confirmation bias? You need to state why you are questioning the unbiased-ness of the presenter in order for the rest of us to judge the validity of your complaint. Otherwise, you comment is of no value to the rest of us.

[@tomroeder7348]

Very good summary, thank you for the level of detail. In the summer of 2020 (before I had found your channel) I had decided that I would either buy a BGE or a Weber Summit, whichever I found the better deal on. I went to my local hardware store and noticed that they had a Weber Summit (original) without the side cart for $999 USD so I went for it. It works well, but I have to say if I were in the same position of needing a Kamado now, I would definitely be going for a Kamado Joe. I won't be selling my Summit to make this happen, I plan on keeping it, but it's nice to know that if I need another Kamado, we are definitely spoiled for choice!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Thanks Tom. Like a mentioned despite the advantage of perspective looking backwards the actual food difference is negligible and definitely doesn’t support spending thousands to switch to anything. Thankfully most egg and kj big Joe accessories fit so you can if you want add a series 1/2 divide and conquer rack, all the half moons and joetisserie etc should one want

[@KevinWindsor1971]

I've owned the original Weber Summit charcoal when it came out. The one in my profile pic. I sold it when I moved into an apartment. I did really like the deflector it came with. I'm sure you could convert the current one to a hinged grate by cutting it and adding hinges. Then again, based on my experience, a low and slow cook on it should not need refilling even for very long cooks. I hated the propane assist though. There was air flow around the gas tube that I sealed up. I do like the fact that it comes ready for a temperature controller to be installed without drilling. All Webers are going way up in price. The WSM 22" is $500 right now.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I do like my WSM, but the price creep has gotten worse since they were bought out by an investment firm

[@blackshirt5530]

I hope the Huntsman send you a grill to test- it seems really affordable and awesome. Good point on cost- I have owned a WSM 22” for 12 years and love it!!! (Cost only 300 dollars too)

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I hope so too! Enough people ping them it normally comes together

[@lamarwilliams185]

Thanks for the honest review!!!

[@anthonylloyd2324]

Have you ever tried a primo grill? I’m considering getting a Primo XXL instead of an offset.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Last week i ddi my double indirect on the Primo oval XL - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmbNqYmpebaeidE

[@sergejsstanevics3237]

Then all your owned Big Joe etc original Camados have the same issue as they have same centered airflow? Where is the point?

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

The point is to have done something different than every other company that makes Kamado clones but in this case the exhaust vent is worse for draw. Same reason and offset has a chimney … you don’t see offsets sawed off without a chimney

[@williamg8853]

No doubt the lack of accessories is a bit frustrating, but others have come up with solutions for most accessories -- but really, does anyone buy these for the accessories? Novelties with not much utility. Where this video goes wrong is setting it up as a SNS, then criticizing it based on how the SNS works. How about use it as designed? I personally much prefer my WSK to the KJ.

[@jonmezzadri9407]

the Weber E6 is 80% of a ceramic kamado but with a huge price difference comparing it to the newest big joe/big green egg of the same size. If you want a more durable, lighter, easier to maintain solution I do recommend it, even if the cook isn't quite there. I owned KJs in the past - and I will say if I had a good outdoor kitchen setup I would go with that. But for a no frills mobile grill experience, the E6 checks a lot of boxes. And almost all KJ big Joe accessories fit it so that accessories thing is moot to me.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i do agree the E6 is more portable, its gone to church cooks in the back of the truck.... something that cannot be said about ANY of large ceramic cookers. Yes I know about the accessories, I did a test fit last year confirming what fits or doesn't here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmPJlWiVlt2nsK8 (TLDR everything but series 3 rack, sloroller fits)

[@paulh6517]

I have been thinking about moving from my Weber 26" to a Weber E6. But since I have a custom table built for the 26" and modifying it for the 24" I will probably stick with my less efficient 26" grill. To really get the 26" up to a very high heat I slide the lid back a little creating a gap on the food side of the grill. I wish I had known this "trick" earlier making it look a lot like your pizza accessory for your KJ. I do appreciate the size of the 26" and my new smoke and sizzle. The 26" has way less accessories than the 22" but there are some mods out there than can be made ( pizza pan diffuser plate, fire brick set for offset style cooking). The savings just keeping mine will buy a lot of charcoal and proteins.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

That’s a good idea about the gap

[@mikeoreilly4020]

You're right on with your comments. When I bought the S6, I couldn't believe how little effort Weber gave to value. I almost sent it back when I saw the same old ash removal system and the cheap kettle charcoal baskets. It's as if Weber has no shame. I have no complaints about the way it cooks, but I bought KJ Divide and Conquer system and a Joetisserie for it which has improved it's usability. It feels like Weber has gone complacent, much like BGE did a while ago, and is just not trying very hard to please its customers. I also have a KJ Classic II at another location which I'm very fond of, and would have bought a Big Joe, but we get some tremendous thunderstorm-driven winds where I live, and I was worried about a KJ getting knocked over.

[@billystpaul8907]

My first grill was a 22 inch original kettle 35 years ago. I bought a Performer Deluxe 22 kettle about 5 years ago. It was a really good grill. But, since getting into using my Kamado it hardly gets used anymore. And, now I also have a pellet grill. I think Weber's marketing has suffered since they are not the only grill maker anymore. I think they jumped into the market because they did not to be left out. I think they are over priced. And, charging $2200 for one with a table is not right. Thanks for another nice video.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

This can be the issue when private equity firms buy barbecue companies sadly is it becomes more about leveraging the brand name to grow sales than it does about how to make better barbecue

[@Brooks5678]

I agree with one thing. The slow and sear is junk. Others than that it is another bias kj video. I can come up with 50 reasons why it is better than a kj. You can't even compare a kettle to this grill. I have an egg which I love. But if I could only have 1 Kamado grill. I would pick the Weber summit every day. Have had mine since they were released. Just go buy one. You will love it. I can move this around my yard. I can't with a kj. I can have this at 500f in less than 5 minutes. The kj will take much longer. Simplicity and versatility is what makes this grill great. I love the dampner. If you cook on it for a bit it will not close on its own. Love the ash sweeping system. I have the cart version. Can't even compare the kj side shelves to the side table. Stainless steel wins all day every day.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@Brooks5678 you can’t buy the version you have anymore, the updated one is functionally worse than the original version. Sure if we ignore the facts, performance testing with real data, the fact I also have a top university doing CFD tests on all brands of Kamados, the price and every other quantifiable benefit it’s a great grill. As I said this review isn’t for people who own one. It’s great, go enjoy your grill and be happy. Despite the versatility limitations the food difference is negligible on all top Kamado brands.

[@dmb3428]

this video was super helpful, I am a long time weber fan and use a 22" kettle at least 3 times a week grilling and smoking something. I wanted an upgrade to a kamado style and considering the BGE- JOE- E6 summit. I like the egg due to the fact we have 4+ dealers close by...I think the E6 is overpriced, a performer is 579 and the E6 is over 1200...dont see the price difference ...95% of my grilling is 2 zone cooking

[@adamshearer7174]

I do find some of your criticisms to be on point like the cost of the units and the lack of accessories. But just because s&s made a charcoal basket doesn't mean it works good with the summit. Kamodo the summit kamado is designed like a kamado. Joe to have a fire at the bottom and smoke coming out around the plate in a circle not from one side. So to say that you're stale smoke came from an s&s charcoal basket for a Weber Summit kamado. Isnt really a valid criticism when you're not using it the way it was designed to be by Weber I have owned a Weber Summit kamado for 2 plus years now and love it way more than my kamado. Joe, I have a 22-in kettle so I can do rotisseries pizzas and anything else I want to do and use my Summit mainly for smoking meat. Occasionally I grill. When I need to grow more food then I can fit on my performer

[@craigcaruthers7426]

I purchased the summit with the cart when they first came out and I agree that the price was and still is out of line for this grill. Also, the lack of accessories is abysmal. I've not had the dirty smoke taste issue with mine but I don't discount your experience. With that being said, I would buy the original version again, but not the new version. I don't see the value in the new ones. Also, I just recently bought a 22 inch Master touch kettle.......I hate it when compared to the summit. Guess I'm spoiled. Thanks for the video!

[@Keith80027]

Thanks for doing this detailed video. I like what I seen in the background. Open fire cooking on the Santa Maria Grill, nothing better than cooking over a live fire. Bring it on! Does the divide and conquer, either 2 or 3 level hardware fit a large green egg.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

yes the KJ rack system fits the egg... i haven't tried the series 3 though to confirm, just 1/2

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

and more to come on the santa maria

[@enyceofnyc]

I do feel that the Summit videos on this channel lean overly negative. I like other channel videos, but on this topic it seems excessive and suspicious. Other knowledgeable consumer channels have reviewed Summit, compared it to KJ/BGE and have preferred the Summit. The products are similar enough for it to be a matter of preference; so I am not saying those channels are “right” but *I am* saying that this diversity of opinion suggests that the comparison is not as black and white as the videos on this channel make it out to be. KZbinrs Babyback Maniac and Dki Grills each have Summit and KJ (and other Kamados) and they have done videos explaining why they prefer the Summit to those, and why it is their go-to or favorite grill in their collections. Their videos seem fair and balanced with actual practical feature differences and they don’t bash the KJ. IMO those videos are more believable than this one. They have been around longer, even though the also doesn’t rank them as well.

[@JBell-kq8ft]

Appreciate all you do in these vids! Very informative as always. It seems someone at Weber decided they needed to have an entry in the kamado space so they threw something together with "insulation" and more importantly, a kamado price tag. I 've cooked on Weber 22" Kettle, Weber Smokey Mountain, Broil King Keg and now the KJ3. If I had to give up my KJ3, I'd avoid the Summit Kamado and get a Weber kettle with rotisserie, a Weber Smokey Mountain and enjoy the $1000 I saved.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i think if they would have fully committed to a kamado it could have been awesome. i would keep the dome and make a base that doesnt have the legs which aren't used in the bottom bowl, ditch the one touch system and go for a base that could be installed in tables, and add some more depth to make multi zone cooking easier

[@scott8238]

Ill keep my weber summit komada but thanks for testing it out anyways. I wish you could get an expert on the channel that could show you around this grill to help you understand it better.

[@garyjohnson8399]

Thank you Sir! You’ve just saved me a few thousand pounds. I’m staying with the Weber kettle and my Joe Jnr. Greetings from London UK

[@mikeross2972]

Awesome video! Great points and all valid. I am big fan of Weber but between this and the smokefire debacle i hope Weber does a better job going forward.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I’m a fan too and i know the team can do better

[@rickstevens3027]

Great video. Summarization the end spot on. I have a WSK & long time Weber guy. That was brutal, but mostly true and needed to be said. (a little, not necessarily apples to apples comparing but still in the red zone of bullseye overall assessment) I will say that the E6 is MUCH lighter and if you move it around a lot, it does have a stand alone mobility durability factor regardless of warranty. This may be my last Weber. Looking at the huntsman…

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i can vouch for how much easier it is to move. the e6 has gone in the back of the truck and off to events which none of the large ceramic kamados have ever done

[@benhaze1010]

From a Weber fan here having (3) of their grills currently: Weber quality has been going downhill since 2015. That is when and why I bought my Genesis S-330, the last year that Series was assembled in the US. Following year (new model) was manufactured and build in China with the incredible wobbly cover, poor fit and finish not worth of wearing the Weber name. The only option after 2015 to get a quality Weber was to purchase an expensive Summit oversized for many of us. Since then every year Weber grills is becoming cheaper built but at same or more expensive price. Very sad story.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

It’s not usually good when investment companies buy grill brands as the focus shifts towards the bottom line ahead of being the best grill

[@benhaze1010]

@@SmokingDadBBQ Indeed! I had the same experience at work where the company I was working for was purchased for the incredible Brand recognition it had, only to release cheap new products... and hurt the brand image.

[@Timo-qb1gf]

How come nearly every other KZbinr is saying the Weber summit is the best Kamado when considering the price (e6 obviously) and lower weight and durability?

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

What facts do they have on versatility, performance and or price? If you remove sponsors and or brand ambassadors I’ve tried to focus on the facts and data to evaluate these things (the infrared data video came out a week or so back). Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, if any of these have some facts comparing them side by side with areonometer, infrared cameras, gauges, evaporative cooling etc and get different results over what I’ve seen over the past year please link to them hear for people to check out. As a fan of kamados … I wish Weber had done more with this grill to put it ahead of the pack vs making a great grill that doesn’t add a price, performance or versatility benefit to customers vs the direct competitors

[@Timo-qb1gf]

@@SmokingDadBBQ well I guess the cooking performance comes down to the subjective, personal preference since BBQ is not an exact science. I do appreciate your attempts at making the differences measurable but it takes a bit more to convince a sceptical engineer ;) For me personally the fact is that a Big Joe 2 costs 1500€, Joe 3 is 2400€ and the Summit is 1200€ here in Europe. Joe 2 I would consider but it weighs 170kg vs Summit 66kg. No way or desire for me to drag it up to the 2nd floor balcony. That would only be leave the Joe Classic but it has a 46cm diameter cooking surface vs 61cm. Pretty massive difference in area and makes it a nogo. So for me the Summit is a pretty strong contender even if not perfect.

[@wakeywarrior]

Because they are not sponsored by Kamado Joe!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@wakeywarriorthey are sponsored by Weber you mean. I’d love some facts to contradict the data. So far you’ve promoted your channel and opinions as counter arguments to data and facts

[@RayHarris-z5e]

I own the KBJ1, Weber Summit Kamado, the Weber Kettle 26 with Slow n Sear along with several other cookers. i agree with the conclusions from the review. In my experience, the Weber Kamado is not a great cooker. Certainly not in the league of the KBJ1. Further, in the absence of extreme wind, the Weber 26 with the Slow n Sear outperforms the Weber Summit Kamado for significantly less money. ..I also agree you learn to use what you have. If you bought one, like i did, don't be discouraged, figure it out and keep cookin. I am not sponsored by anyone.

[@davidherndon301]

Wow! They have really increased the price! I paid $1100 for mine a few years ago. No way I’d pay $2k. I like this grill but I do have a kamado Jr for cooking for 2. I do like the WSK for ribs and brisket. It also does a large number of steaks well. It’s easy to move around. I’d love to have an offset but we don’t have enough room for a 3rd smoker/grill.

[@rodneyodell8959]

I have an E6 and it's my favorite grill ever. I have not used a ceramic though so I cannot say it's the best. I almost bought a KJ but got the summit instead. I was scared to death of cracking a ceramic after seeing horror videos. I like my summit and will probably stick with it until it rusts out or something, lol.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

its a great grill, i just think Weber could have done more to make it a even better Kamado

[@jimcrookston2776]

The ability to move the Summit around is an advantage over ceramic in my book. However, if I had could only have one cooker, it would be a 22 WSM.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

you have a good point, the WSK is the only Kamado i have put in the truck and taken places

[@Bill-N-Carolina]

I still think it’s a way better buy than the KJ 🤷‍♂️. At least for the E6 without the table anyway. I agree the S6 is overpriced.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

😝

[@TheRealSuperDred]

I have a Weber Kamado E6 and it's by far the best kamado bbq I have ever had. Certainly more affordable than a ceramic grill. I got mine for $1,271 (USD). It's just an amazing piece of kit. No regrets. The S6 is over priced. The E6 is more affordable and durable than buying a ceramic kamado in my eyes. My only issue I have with the Weber Kamados is Weber's lack of accessories specifically for this product. Unfortunately I have to buy kamado joe products instead. What I do agree with you is swap out of the original double skinned defuser to that more disappointing single skinned plate. One reason I got the E3 series 2 was the lack of a gas igniter because I would never use it.

[@KenAlyea]

Hope Weber listens to your concerns and makes adjustments.The summit does have potential to be a great kamado style grill.Also hope Spider sends you a Huntsman to test.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Hope so. Version 3 with some of these tweaks could be awesome.

[@rickcormier9160]

I always wanted a Weber Kamado, but the lack of accessories from Weber or aftermarket companies has led me to be very content with my 10+ year old Weber Smokey Mountain plus my 22” and 26” kettles. I had not thought about it until you mentioned it, but it is disappointing that Weber went cheap on the WSK when redesigning it instead of making improvements with no care about their loyal customers, only their profits. Some of your criticisms are flawed though. I have never seen any other Kamado with an offset vent so I am confused why you compared it to a kettle. The removable ashpan is an excellent feature not found on many kamados.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I had only wished they improved the vent flow vs making the vent less effective in either height for draw and or side location. Nobody else did this either since they mostly are all copying one another on the basic concept so that was more a wish out loud that they could have done something innovative

[@rageremains]

As an owner, this bums me out as I was expecting at least good results. It does feel like Weber released this because they needed a Kamado in their lineup and then decided it wasn’t worth supporting.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

The good news is food tastes nearly identical at least not significantly different to justify thousands of dollars in swapping grills but as a fan of kamados I wish they pushed a little harder

[@curtisrogers4190]

Sounds like the summit is a over priced Chargriller Akorn. It would be interesting to compare a cook of the same food on the summit and Akorn. But I know you don't have the Akorn anymore.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

its larger and has some higher quality finishes which are evident on almost every part you feel / touch.... but again the Akorn is $500. If i still had it that would be fun but I gave it away after doing tests as I don't have space to keep everything i test. I also gave away the summit after the year of testing leading up to this but its by far the best grill i haven't kept.... just not the best kamado

[@triaxe-mmb]

The biggest problem for the Summit Kamado series is the price. It is way too expensive for what it is. It is a $1600 premium to go from their Premium Delux Performer to the Kamado S6...thats about $600-800 too much... If the S6 was available for $1400-1600 range, it would be selling in far higher numbers and would thus have a better accessory supoort from both Weber and 3rd parties The E6 should be like at 899 or 999 price point... I really want one but i will never get it new or for full retail its just not worth it at those prices

[@eweezy55]

Dang, this was a complete thrashing. You should re-name the title to anything but a weber Summit. 🤣🤣🤣

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

its a good grill, just not the best kamado

[@eweezy55]

@@SmokingDadBBQ respect

[@eddielopez6796]

Bold of you to assume that I don’t want 7 grills/outdoor cookers in my backyard 😂

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

hahaha no judgement here

[@warrenwillcox3309]

It is my opinion that Weber E6 Kamado is about $300-$400 US priced too high based on the metal material comparatively to other Weber products. Weber would gain more Kamado market share by lowering their MSRP.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Agree it would fit better with an advantage in one category with price being the easiest to fix immediately

[@frankmumann8955]

I'm happy that I got my big joe (II) for 1.400€ (~1.500USD) last week. First kamado - I think I love him

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Congrats

[@CoolJay77]

"Efficiency is the enemy og great BBQ", for sure.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

100%

[@wakeywarrior]

It is the best Kamado, it is fantastic. I think you are a Kamado Joe man. The accessories, what do you need? I live in the U.K. and have a Smokerig Plancha (on my channel), bought some Joe accessories. The table version isn’t worth it, but the E6 is same size as the Big Joe and much cheaper. It doesn’t crack, it cooks the same, it is very robust, it is easier to clean etc. I did 8, not 3 reasons to buy a Summit having owned both ceramic and Summit.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Here is the complete data video on the performance testing. There are not supporting facts on performance, price or versatility to support picking this ahead of other top kamados kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4TUequZe55prMksi=n87Dc5Va5TEunSKr

[@wakeywarrior]

@@SmokingDadBBQ pointing thermometers and measuring airflow etc doesn’t mean much. I did a video of 8 reasons why I think it’s better than a ceramic- things that actually matter. I would never go back to ceramic. Baby Back Maniac, who I think is a man who really knows his barbecue, rates the Summit as the greatest barbecue he has ever had. And he’s got plenty of KJs.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@wakeywarriorI couldn’t disagree with you more. Bark matters, ability to burn smoke cleanly matters. The summit does worse. If you are happy listening to opinions over facts I understand but I prefer the best possible result

[@williamwilson2624]

I think the Weber Summit Kamado is a pretty good grill. Although, I think it would fit into the market better at a lower price point. Great video, as always, James!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

you don't need to be better at everything .... if this had a price advantage some of the other pro's and con's are less relevant .... but to be a premium price, have less versatility and some performance data limitations it doesn't seem like a winning combination for anyone other than the accountants worrying about the bottom line rather than the grill enthusiasts who would want to make the best grill possible

[@dougjsking]

When are we going to see a video on the Santa Maria?

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I have it coming out in a few weeks I think

[@rwegman01]

Have you tried the Kong?

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

no i haven't

[@JumboRelic]

The quality of this grill is insane compared to the other Webers. You're comparing the construction and materials used to make cheaper made Webers to this beast? Brother, you are faded and delusional.

[@calmy3480]

Great constructive criticisms! I hope this inspires some soul searching over at Weber.

[@JohnRiley1966]

To my mind, this should be put side by side with other double wall steel kamados like the Akorn and Keg. I liked how you mostly kept the comparison with other XL sized units though. However you could buy 2 or 3 Akorns for the base price of the Summit, I think.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I am not sure at 5 times the price that’s who they were going after since it seems priced a premium to primo, bge and kj. A week or so I did the full performance comparison and this was against the similarly expensive goldens cast iron Kamado

[@JohnRiley1966]

What I meant is that it should be in the same price category as the akorn rather than the ceramics.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@JohnRiley1966oh ya agreed

[@ledheavy26]

​@@JohnRiley1966I see people in multiple Weber groups picking up lightly used or like new E6's for around 600 bucks, and at that price I think it's more acceptable.

[@bat502]

Superb review. I think I’ll stick with my KJ classic Joe jr and Webber 22” kettle

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Thanks. Cheers 🍻

[@bat502]

🍻

[@johnknapp6328]

I look at this as a good video do to the fact, it might make weber see the light and improve offerings for it. I have one I like it, the fact it can do overnight cooks. 3 yrs ago I really wanted a kamato big joe. I think there quality control has something to be desired. There prices have esculated so much its almost 2 and a half times the summit. Keep them Thinking.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Well the price gets messy since in order to be 2x the price you have to compare the Big Joe 3 with cart, 3 tier D&C, SloRoller, deflectors, side shelves, ash tool, grill gripper etc to the E6 with no accessories or shelves etc. vs. the S6 which fits a few hundred more than the Big Joe 2 with cart. Equally messy with Big Green Egg and Primo on the cart vs. no cart options. Weber has made many great grills over the years, and this is a good grill.... it's just not a better Kamado and i think they could have done more to be competitive in this space

[@canadianbatman2717]

joetisserie fitt on my weber summit kamado and most accessories of kamado joe fitt on weber summit ... personnaly i don't like the look with gaz starter on the old summit

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Yes, here is the test fit of KJ accessories on the Summit including the racks, griddle, dojoe and Joetisserie etc. - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmPJlWiVlt2nsK8

[@talezfromthedashcam3138]

oh yeah right theKJ Soapstone. I had 2 of these broke and they covered the first one and a year later, the second one broke. I babied the second one and they told me tough $H!T, I love may Kamado, but no more for accessories. Don't EVEN ask me about the 800 dollar Kamado stand

[@marinost141414]

Why are you so fixated on comparing the summit to other Weber products in different categories. They are obviously competing with other Kamados, where you should focus… Also the e6 is obviously the right buy. The s6 is so outrageously priced but you keep focusing on it. Such a rigged comparison haha.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

There are two chapters. First how it stacks within the Weber family and then the Kamado category

[@FlowTieGuy]

this guy gets roasted all the time on TVWBB for his takes. He's just another KJ homer. There's nothing a KJ can do that the WSK can't. Now I will say that Weber needs to support it more with marketing and accessories.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I did say the food is identical and that there is zero support to justify changing. Zero. The facts on accessories, price and the data on performance testing doesn’t support an advantage over any other leading Kamado brand

[@FlowTieGuy]

@@SmokingDadBBQ you know why I like you channel and am a subscriber? because you not only respond to the positive feedback, but also negative ones. I hope I didn't come off as a jerk, as thats not my intent. I appreciate your reviews based on YOUR research not someone else's. Cheers & keep up the great research! also, there's nothing wrong with being a homer. We are all Stan's of many things. I am an admitted Weber homer!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@FlowTieGuyall good. Appreciate it

[@rfahy5000]

The summit is better than any smoker made out of clay. Too heavy, they break and you can’t he the temp down. Summit wins.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

The performance facts say otherwise

[@WeberEnthusiast]

Loved the original Kamado . 👌👌👌

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Me too. That’s the first one I used and had assumed the second generation would have more updates that benefit the versatility vs reduce it

[@rickcormier9160]

I enjoy your channel, but wonder who is subsidizing this review??

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

You might have missed this part. No money behind this and if you buy this or any other Kamado it has no impact on my finances. I took a year to review it and this is the results of a series of tests

[@emmgeevideo]

OK... Scratching the Weber Summit off the list.... You teased that clip of the Spit On Fire - we need to see that in action! Any chance that the carousel purchased standalone could work with the JoeTisserie?

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I’ve got a full video on that coming

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@porfirywhen there is some data to support your opinions happy to discuss. The performance data, versatility limitation and prices are not opinions or feelings

[@kenj6914]

I've had both, and I'll take the Summit any day over the KJ. The fact that it's half the weight and cost as the KJ is just a bonus. The Summit is far more convenient and versatile. Him going on about the S6 was pretty shady. Should be talking about the E6, the base model. He compared an older version base model KJ price to the S6. Come on, that's extremely biased and unfair. And the vent is in the same spot as every kamado, and yet that's bad for Weber? But ok for every other kamado brand? Lol And comparing the Summit to regular kettles for most of the video is absurd. It's apples and oranges completely. Really a ridiculous and bitterly motivated review. I'm guessing Weber backed out on a deal or something with him, so he's lashing out.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

My review is based on facts. This comment has many false assumptions. I included the bite Joe series 1 with shelves at 1199 vs the e6 with no shelves or tools included for comparison to the 1249 e6 with a less versatile heat deflector and cooking rack and significant less accessory options. I’d love to hear how a more expensive e6 with no shelves, physical limitations on how the grill with data performs is a better buy. All these comments and not one good piece of evidence so far. I can appreciate you not enjoying the message as an owner but not one person has been able to provide data to counter any of these points

[@camerachris]

Your claims of impartiality merely because Weber didn’t pay you yet anyone who has watched any of your stuff knows you’re heavily endorsed and sponsored by Kamado Joe means your claim is an out and out lie. You’re not wrong about the annoying lack of accessories or the vent. However, you never once touche on what it also doesn’t have that all of the ceramic Kamado’s have, chipping paint and easy breakability. Your complaint about the Summit not achieving or being able to maintain the heat the same way the ceramic ones do was actually a deciding factor in why I chose the summit. Sometimes the ceramic ones can’t come down in temp fast enough for certain purposes. I don’t find the loss of heat compared to a ceramic to be that difficult to overcome and don’t mind extra fuel consumption if it means I have better ability to fluctuate my temps when needed. The biggest dishonest part was your comparisons to side tables and carts. You feign ignorance as to why Weber themselves would charge more for the cart on the Summit compared to their own kettle carts, and this is just blatantly dishonest. The carts on the kettles are not stainless steel like the Summit, and you even show pictures demonstrating that, nor are any of the other wood shelf style ones on the others you chose to lie about. This is like buying a VW and saying you don’t get why a Ferrari is so much more expensive. So if you’re going to blatantly lie about an obvious false comparison what else are you being dishonest about?

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

If consumer reports were to do this review what would they say? These are the facts … I get you don’t like them

[@camerachris]

@@SmokingDadBBQ, did Consumer Reports do it? Then what’s your point? They aren’t facts, not all of them. And your bias and sponsorships to a competing brand are well known and noted, as you have no less than three of their models in your setup at any given time. Also, if consumer reports made the same claims I’d have the same challenges and if they were receiving sponsorships or even getting ads place by direct competitors I’d have the same doubts. It’s called integrity… I get you don’t have any.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@camerachris I have these models at an engineering university doing CFD testing and have preliminary data. I’ve also shown infrared data, evaporative cooling, airflow measurements between these models and the summit does worse. I challenge you to make a more fair and factual review and I am willing to bet you land on the same conclusion

[@camerachris]

@@SmokingDadBBQ, so what? Did you read my criticisms of your review? I fully acknowledged your heat assessments and take no issue with them, I even state that they are part of the reason I chose the Summit over your beloved cash cow, Kamado Joe. You make erroneous and fallacious claims of the dollar amount of carts then blatantly show incomparable versions all while feigning ignorance how a company could charge what they are while DEMONSTRATING with images that you are making a false equivalence. It’s not just dishonest, it’s outright slimy. If you have someone watching your video that don’t know the products and are trusting in your NOT Consumer Reports review they would be left with the exact conclusion you are pushing, and that is shady as hell. Imagine, a company charges more for a fully stainless steel table cart than they do for their plastic versions on their lower models, or than other companies do for wood or PVC side trays; the very idea that you’d compare and challenge the price comparison to a full table cart to winged side trays on the various other models you showed should be shamed and you should be embarrassed. Instead you’re here arguing about the things I accepted of your claims, probably to distract from the many other foul takes you’ve put forth.

[@camerachris]

​@@SmokingDadBBQ, James, so what? Where did I actually challenge your data on heat retention or fuel consumption or any of the claims you'd be using engineering university data for? To the contrary, I've clearly cited the uses that having a more easily manipulated conduction serves in certain circumstances and cited that I used those exact differences, combined with the chipping paint of the ceramic versions and their crackability, which is NOT covered under the warranty that you so boldly showcased, as reasons that I personally chose the Summit. And I've NEVER gotten anything free from any of these companies, while you most definitely have. You are using the heat citations as a means to mount a counter to my challenges, while ignoring my other challenges about your erroneous claims and feigned incredulity about how they would DARE charge more for this cart than they do their own other carts, while literally showcasing IN YOUR VIDEO that they are not the same thing. You show the cart on the kettle, which is a plastic cart, and you somehow can't fathom why they might charge more for a fully stainless steel cart??? That's just SLIMY behaviour. Then you even go on to compare it to the various other brands and their versions, which aren't even CARTS, they are varying versions of side trays, some wood slats, some PVC. Yet you go on to compare and belittle the company offering and charging more for a full table cart made of stainless steel. This is just shady practice. Imagine a person who isn't versed on the various brands and models you are showing and they are going on your recommendation because, you are the one offering up this elaborate "year long" review, you are giving them your biased opinion while LYING to their faces. It's shameful and you should be embarrassed, but you're not, instead you're here attempting to defend to me about points I agreed with you on and totally skipping the ones that call you out for being a company shill for competing brands. I hear Insta360 is looking for "influencers" of your ilk.

[@3portiparty]

Friends don’t let friends buy a Summit. I think way too many sleep on the Webber 26”. For an all-a-rounder. What you lose in accessory compatibility you gain in cooking area. That lets you cook a full brisket indirect. (I use a Bro n sear + FireBoard combo with foil to protect the cool side.) If I had Summit money to burn, I would go for a Weber Ranch 36”, Fireboard, and a high capacity blower.

[@ryanhoman1251]

Can confirm, 26" is awesome. Weirdly enough the only accessory I can't find readily available is the Rotisserie

[@darknessblades]

Weber giving you a product free without expecting a good review shows that they aren't afraid of critics or being roasted into oblivion. It proves that they are at least trying to make a good product, and aren't afraid for criticism about their products

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

They are class A people for sure. Overall I am huge fan and they do a good job… this product feels more like it comes from the accounting department on a revenue growth idea than it does from the team thinking about making better barbecue

[@darknessblades]

@@SmokingDadBBQ I indeed had that feeling that something felt off about it. They should just have had engineering go mental, and make a grill for people with a budget of max 2000$, instead of listening to accounting, to make a grill. I for once would have done a triple insulation instead of double. and a bunch more like that heat deflector with hinges. like a hinge on a deflector cost 1$ at manufacturing, but they can essentially upcharge 10$ for it, since its a feature people want.

[@raym6415]

What the hell are you talking about? I am confused with all the s6, and names and shit without you showing them

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

The part on screen which shows E6 = the model without a cart and then the video and specs showing the s6 as the same grill but built into a cart will help once you hit that spot in the video but now you don’t need to ad that’s the difference

[@henrykrinkle5353]

lol! “. . . a couple of briskets north of 200lbs . . “ Loved this vid - very informative and entertaining 😊

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@josephwhite8495]

I think dirty smoke tastes like eating the smell of a campfire!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Exactly

[@WeberEnthusiast]

Amazing review , I demo for Weber and have to agree with everything you said in this video

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Many thanks

[@terrymcdermott4950]

All reviews are the same. This guy seems do a fair one. In the UK we are limited to bbq’s compared to the US. I personally hand built an oil drum smoker and have kept it going for 9 years strong. My advice would be stop looking at reviews and just get outside and cook over fire. Anything you cook on outside over coal/wood. You are cooking bbq. Learn as you go and stop watching shite videos! Just go and lean on what you have 👍

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i do agree get out and cook

[@6AnAsianGuy9]

Love an honest review after a year of experience. Good one!

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ScottysBackYardBBQ]

I always wanted The NEW Weber Summit Kamado. but i may rethink this.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I prefer the old one I first used

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@porfiry I get faced with facts and data emotions are the first response. Should there be data and facts to support a different outcome I’m the first to reconsider but if anyone else recreates my year of tests and data it’s impossible to reach a different conclusion until something changes

[@ScottysBackYardBBQ]

@@porfiry ya it's really about how they cook.

[@ScottysBackYardBBQ]

@@SmokingDadBBQ how does it cook thou. What I seen it does an amazing brisket

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

@@ScottysBackYardBBQ the food is almost indistinguishable across top brand kamado's... we are slitting hairs and it comes down to things like being able to add more smoke wood where the summit is more limited than others. thats about the only noticeable difference in the brisket, and thats minor at that. if you own one of these and were to switch (which i am not suggesting you do) it would be difficult on taste alone for you to notice any appreciable improvement outside of things like my double indirect setup with lots of supplemental smoke wood... so brisket would be one of the rare cooks where there is a small difference. the summit did worse on the evaporative cooling test and the bark i got on my briskets reflects this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4TUequZe55prMk

[@dennis9358]

you do get free grills/smokers

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

i do, weber provided this too me

[@ledheavy26]

Brutal, lol. Ill stick with my $150 performer with the sns and I'll just add a Smokey Mountain.

[@dres-bbq3569]

I think they took it to far on this one. I would rather buy a Ketle joe any time. They should have stuck with the old one.

[@dgordon130]

This was scathing. And frankly on point. Love weber, but this thing never impressed me. Especially for the price. To me, Weber could innovate on their leading kettles. How about small 18" performers? Aging demographic. Also custom builds like Harley does. Weber is an American institution. They rule the charcoal kettle space, and gas grills. They should leverage their history and market it. :-) And their WSM is the best smoker for the dollar out there. The BEST.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

I agree, the WSM is the boss for value smokers. I love mine

[@martinD1]

If you spend 1200.00 on a grill you have no clue about smoking and grilling ...

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

1200 was for the less expensive summit... it gets worse from there. i like my 22" WSM

[@umakegoodcookies]

The price looks even more ridiculous next to the new Spider Huntsman.

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

Good point

[@sgfd7117]

I disagree!

[@slothlovechunk]

Your point number 2 doesn't make any sense. Why are you judging the Weber kamado not like a kamado? Couldn't you have failed at this experiment in a kamado joe?

[@slothlovechunk]

This just seems biased. You choose to compare the s6 price when the s6 has things the kamado joe doesn't come with. Why didn't you compare pricing to the e6?

[@slothlovechunk]

Also why didn't you get the Weber expander rack? Why are you complaining about the rack from kamado joe not fitting?

[@slothlovechunk]

Also, you don't use the charcoal boxes on the Weber. I forgot I had them. Consider it an unnecessary accessory.

[@slothlovechunk]

Overall as a Weber Kamado owner, this was not a useful summary for me. You brought baggage from Weber kettle world and baggage from kamado joe world and just gave up. The idea you can't do double indirect etc. Is nonesense. You have all kinds of equipment available to you and you seem like you're tying your hands behind your back and acting surprised you can't clap your hands. A lot of sandbagging here... Very disappointing but I'll just have to rely on my own creativity since you refuse to be creative with the WSK. Thank you for all of the other content on Kamado Joe, it has been invaluable to me but you really look to be withholding effort on this one...

[@SmokingDadBBQ]

There are two chapters. First is how it stacks within the Weber family then vs competitors. Appreciate the input as your progressing but I think most of this is answered as you get through the rest of the video