Smyth Busters: Fixing Your AR-15's Headspace

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Brownells, Inc.

Күн бұрын

In our last Smyth Busters episode, about mixing and matching AR-15 bolt-carrier groups, Steve and Caleb talked about checking the headspace to make sure it's OK after making a swap. What happens if you pull out your headspace gauge and get a "no-go" result? Can you fix / correct /adjust an AR-15's headspace? Some folks say, "Yes." But the AR-15's unique setup combining a rotating bolt with a barrel extension behind the chamber makes that difficult. You're pretty much stuck with the headspace you have when the bolt lugs lock into the barrel extension.
There are ways to change the headspace, but you really have to be a gunsmith to do it. The guys give us an overview of how EXCESS headspace is fixed. The cost of the labor to do the fix will likely be much higher than the cost of the barrel. If the headspace is too SHORT, you can get a reamer (which isn't cheap) and ream out the chamber, but NOT if it's chrome-lined or nitrided.
For the average shooter the best way to fix a headspace problem is to get a new barrel. If you bought it from Brownells, that's where our "Forever Guarantee" comes in handy! So the myth isn't exactly busted. It IS technically feasible to correct an AR-15's headspace. It's just not worth the cost.
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@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Which Bolt and Barrel combos are y'all running?
@westcoast7614
@westcoast7614 Жыл бұрын
Full Auto BCG & 11.5 barrel with a 1:7 twist
@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760
@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 Жыл бұрын
Bartlein and Wilson 20” match barrels on my competition rifles- whatever BCG. But I stick with whatever bolt the rifle is zeroed with until it needs to be replaced. A smorgasbord of stuff on my other general purpose rifles - any bcg.
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
​@@SHGVM If were talking general store bought, I'm more of a Bulleit guy.
@mattfleming86
@mattfleming86 Жыл бұрын
My main girl: 16" lightweight hanson with a nitride bolt. perfect match on my plastic fantastic.
@kxkxkxkx
@kxkxkxkx Жыл бұрын
13.7 BA Hanson barrel w pinned warcomp and the same excellent Brownells titanium nitride lightweight BCG you got sitting on the desk there🏆
@sean6.6
@sean6.6 Жыл бұрын
Wait you guys are checking head space? The way I check is if it seats it yeets
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Some seats may not be yeeting to their full yeetability, but I feel you.
@easongoldman1011
@easongoldman1011 Жыл бұрын
Yeetability has been added to my list of favorite words
@falconcowboy9995
@falconcowboy9995 Жыл бұрын
It seats it yeets😂🤣😅😆😆😅🤣😂😂🤣😅😆 That's awesome 👌
@Timber_LXG_5
@Timber_LXG_5 Жыл бұрын
Just because it seats dosnt mean it yeets. I saw the aftermath of some special guy that put a damaged/bent m855a1 round in his m4a1 and it blew up the side of his rifle sending him to the hospital. When in doubt throw it out
@dillontimm9442
@dillontimm9442 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this 😂
@jsbswampfox
@jsbswampfox Жыл бұрын
Know what I like about this channel...NO fucking ads!!!!
@mobilemechmantim773
@mobilemechmantim773 2 ай бұрын
Technically you're right. But at the same time, the whole video is an ad. For Brownells!
@mrhamburger6936
@mrhamburger6936 Ай бұрын
Because KZbin is anti-second amendment they hate guns​@@mobilemechmantim773
@selkiemaine
@selkiemaine Жыл бұрын
Sometimes AR headspace problems are a tolerance stacking issue. I'd try any other bolts I had lying around first. After that, I'm with you.
@tiredofyourshit1914
@tiredofyourshit1914 Жыл бұрын
Good advice, came here to say this. I'd bet most people building ARs and buying headspace gauges have an extra bolt or bcg.
@woodrowcall3158
@woodrowcall3158 Жыл бұрын
Where does an AR headspace?
@selkiemaine
@selkiemaine Жыл бұрын
@@woodrowcall3158 inside the barrel extension, there are forward facing surfaces on the "teeth" Those faces have to be a certain distance from the angled portion of the chamber. So, the chamber has to be cut to the correct depth at the factory to match the barrel extension. On the bolt, the distance that counts is between the bolt face and the back of the locking lugs. When the AR goes into battery, the bolt rotates, and the back of the locking lugs bear against those forward facing surfaces inside the "teeth". That brings the bolt face to the correct distance from the chamber. It's the same as a bolt action with locking lugs - except that the barrel extension acts as the receiver and there are 7 small locking lugs instead of 2 large ones. The large number of locking lugs means a smaller amount of bolt rotation and, because the force is more evenly distributed, the bolt and the barrel extension can be smaller and lighter than the receiver and bolt of a typical bolt action rifle.
@tiredofyourshit1914
@tiredofyourshit1914 Жыл бұрын
@@woodrowcall3158 the other guy has a lot of how the AR works right, but the headspace is measured between the bolt face and the datum point. The datum point on the 5.56 cartridge (like most rifle cartridges) is on the shoulder of the case. Headspacing an ar-15 isn't too difficult as long as you have the right tools: headspace gauges, bolt disassembly tool, and roll pin punches/holders. Take the bolt out of the bcg, remove the ejector, re-assemble the bcg with the bolt minus the ejector, and insert the bcg and charging handle back into the rifle. With the rear take down pin out and the front take down pin in: tilt the upper forward, pull back the bcg a bit, put the headspace gauge into the bolt, and then lock the bolt forward and try closing the rifle. Rifle should be able to go back together with the go gauge, but with the no go gauge installed it should not allow the bcg to clear the lower and the rifle shouldn't close back up. Pretty sure Brownell's themselves have a video on it.
@lubrew5862
@lubrew5862 7 ай бұрын
Yup, built one that didn’t headspace. Tried a couple other bolts I had, they both checked out. Turned out the PSA Premium BCG was not so premium, it’s now a paperweights and reminder.
@ChristianGrest
@ChristianGrest Жыл бұрын
Great info as always. Need a poll of how many folks actually check their AR-15 headspace....I bet that number's really small.
@philgraves7814
@philgraves7814 Жыл бұрын
Never checked mine since it runs fine
@ChristianGrest
@ChristianGrest Жыл бұрын
@@philgraves7814 it’s just good practice to check. Especially when using different parts from different manufacturers.
@loquat44-40
@loquat44-40 Жыл бұрын
I think it is a good idea, especially with 5.56 nato that is high pressure round in its top loading. There many people that have no ideal of how to use except insert the gage and hit the bolt release allow the BGC to slam home under full spring pressure. The ABCs of head spacing The AR 15 would be a good topic.
@FlyingTigersKMT
@FlyingTigersKMT Жыл бұрын
What's a head space?
@kurtlepinski6626
@kurtlepinski6626 Жыл бұрын
I assembled an AR from parts by different manufacturers and checked the headspace. Commercially built ARs I own - hard no.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 4 ай бұрын
For short chambers, (which are much more common than over sized chambers) it is possible to fix the (short chamber) head space by lapping the bolt to the barrel lugs or even changing the bolt..I have bolts that run in different sizes and I keep them separated, small medium and large to fit problem chambers..Incremental head space gauges are great for measuring bolts..
@HaroldTheSloth
@HaroldTheSloth 11 ай бұрын
I had a bolt/barrel combo that just barely wouldn’t close on a GO gauge. I used a little bit of lapping compound on the back of the lugs and worked it until it closed. Took a few minutes, and the bonus is that lug contact is now even across the lugs. As far as excessive headspace… return the barrel.
@timewen3660
@timewen3660 Ай бұрын
Always nice to get accurate info from a trustable source! Keep up the great work !
@BadDadio
@BadDadio Жыл бұрын
I’d really appreciate a video from you on how to use headspace gauges. I’m a rookie when it comes to the AR platform and any help is appreciated.
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Here is the YT one kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppS5mWCOd7R_gck and there is one on our webpage as part of our build series.
@BadDadio
@BadDadio Жыл бұрын
@@CalebSavant Thanks Caleb!
@philmarq9915
@philmarq9915 Жыл бұрын
Remove firing pin, bolt closes on go, no clozey on no-go. Pretty simple
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
@@philmarq9915 If you are checking headspace with the barrel already installed on the AR upper, do not remove the firing pin, this is what keeps your cam pin straight and without it you can get the bolt carrier group stuck in the upper.
@philmarq9915
@philmarq9915 Жыл бұрын
@@CalebSavant I don’t think I would ever check the headspace with the barrel already in the upper receiver anyways. The same issue that you were talking about with the cam pin could also give you false readings by way of an improperly milled upper not allowing the bolt to cam into full battery. Best to just use the bolt in the barrel.
@JenkinsStevenD
@JenkinsStevenD Жыл бұрын
I'd recommend people buy their headspace gauges and have them before they buy the barrel and BCG. If you buy a barrel and have to wait on headspace gauges, the return window for the barrel may have lapsed.
@unclebob540i3
@unclebob540i3 Жыл бұрын
Excellent advice. Headspace gauges are not expensive.
@herbertsmith6085
@herbertsmith6085 Жыл бұрын
I am new to this "AR SHIT", but these quite I'll manufactured guns seem like , with all there other problems, are just a pile of junk gun parts dancing in formation, I never heard of buying an expensive gun, only to end up with a piece of shit someone could have built in a garage with pliers and a drill
@JenkinsStevenD
@JenkinsStevenD Жыл бұрын
@@herbertsmith6085 There are several manufacturers that sell total trash at a premium. Luth-AR for example. You get the exact setup you want by building it. An individual "in his garage" can build the same rifle as manufacturers, or better, simply by following the correct process and using the correct materials....and they can do it for cheaper. Sure, there are a lot of fuds out there using loctite on their gas block set screws...but then there are guys like me dimpling the barrel, putting rocksett on the screws and then pinning the gas block, for example. You don't find that from a lot of manufacturers. Let's say I want to run a silencer on a gun with an FSB that is adjustable.......YOU CAN'T FIND THAT GUN ON THE MARKET. You have to build it. And in building it you get the experience and knowledge to fix it, to a degree, if something goes wrong. You don't get that by buying your way into the AR platform. First AR-15 I ever shot was one I built in my garage and I won't be doing it any other way now.
@whatsmolly5741
@whatsmolly5741 9 күн бұрын
​@herbertsmith6085 iv built 3 rifles starting with 80 lowers a drill and my garage with psa parts.... never had a problem. You need some special skills to fck this up so bad that your gun doesn't work. As long as your parts are in spec and your iq isn't room temperature you can do it.
@whatsmolly5741
@whatsmolly5741 9 күн бұрын
​@@herbertsmith6085 and the reality is that even the Chinese can get right 99% of the time as the tolerances arnt all that tight. If you want to know what pain is try building an ak.
@davidforce5617
@davidforce5617 Жыл бұрын
I was a 2111 in the Marines. In the few times we ran into this we would try a different bolt. If that didnt work we would replace the barrel.
@z50com
@z50com Жыл бұрын
30 seconds in and I've got my morning laugh on. . . .A great way to start my day. Thanks
@fredkumm1305
@fredkumm1305 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. If I come up against that problem, I now know what to do about it. I appreciate your knowledge and experience.
@mikenorman7312
@mikenorman7312 5 ай бұрын
Papaw ! I love watching you and Jr. put it out there. God bless you, fellars !!! Keepem comin !!! 😁
@jfruser
@jfruser Жыл бұрын
Gotta love these guys. Super-helpful.
@shadyp-zv3uf
@shadyp-zv3uf Жыл бұрын
I just sent a barrel back because when my AP BCG from Brownells was feeding the ramps of the barrel extension was scratching and denting up the casings and stuff, plus high spots on a couple of the lugs. So just sent it back for a replacement Rosco 13.7 and after it comes back I'm ordering the Brownell's wrenchman 12.625 handguard then the base of my A.P., Magpul, Brownell's and Rosco build will be done and ready to fire. CAN'T WAIT!!!
@marionburchett6873
@marionburchett6873 Жыл бұрын
My DPMS 308ar barrel had a .009" short chamber. I just lapped 009" off the back face of the bolt. Shots great.
@gregl6002
@gregl6002 Жыл бұрын
.009 is a lot!
@nickcervantes658
@nickcervantes658 Жыл бұрын
Finally some clarity on this.
@oldnumber5866
@oldnumber5866 Жыл бұрын
All I use to check head space is with a no-go gauge. If it chambers that then I send it back. I believe you don’t need the go gauge or the field gauge. My go gauge is a factory load round. If that chambers it good. If you need to use the field gauge then you’re ready for a new barrel.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
No, short chambers will chamber rounds, but can cause pressure, reliability and accuracy problems. I have seen many more short chambers, than over sized chambers..
@oldnumber5866
@oldnumber5866 Жыл бұрын
@@hairydogstail then I would see pressure issues with my brass (blown primers, excessive deformation, difficult extraction). A lot of times with a short chamber just chambering a round and extracting it will show damage to the round. Also When I start with a new barrel I usually use lite loads and work up to a standard load. I very seldom use hot loads as that tends to reduce the brass life and uses up powder that is currently hard to get (reasonable priced). I am extremely cautious starting out until I’m assured everything is okay.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
@@oldnumber5866 That will work, just easier to check go and no gauge..If it works for you, that is all that matters..
@themastermason1
@themastermason1 Жыл бұрын
I just kept faith that Brownells contracted with quality manufacturers when I got the 20" barrel and chrome non-forward assist bolt carrier for my NCR Service rifle clone.
@5jjt
@5jjt Жыл бұрын
Is the barrel chrome lined?
@darrelldutsch
@darrelldutsch Жыл бұрын
If it's not right,. It's not right!... Thank You brothers! Love your show
@the_chomper
@the_chomper Жыл бұрын
YOU TO BORTHER! LETS MAKE A BORTHER BALL!
@wacojones8062
@wacojones8062 Жыл бұрын
I have a set of headspace gauges, a 5.56 throat gauge and a 5.56 throat reamer. SP-1 fine AR-180 made by Sterling Marked 5.56 one tiny burr in the throat. Two new DPMS labeled 5.56 with 1-9 twist both throats were a bit short each took a couple of twists with the reamer to pass the throat check. Both the SP-1 and AR-150 have worked fine with Military ammo the new pair are waiting as my only transport is a bicycle and the range I am a member of is 18 miles away across a Stateline. I am 70 with a bad right knee and right hip. I recommend at least 3 months of food on hand plus medical gear.
@iPervy
@iPervy Жыл бұрын
Glad to see these headspace vids. Fixing to do my first barrel change myself instead of going to a gunsmith. Wish me luck that it works out! Going with a Faxon match 223 gunner barrel, Riflespeed .625 gas block, and odin 02 handguards.
@angeldesigns1385
@angeldesigns1385 Жыл бұрын
I’m not the most experienced guy in the world with AR’s but i’ve been pretty successful with The barrel work that I’ve done so far. I’ve been torquing them down to 55 foot pounds After seasoning the threads a few times, and just using the raw spaghetti noodle trick for the gas blocks. but yeah most definitely good luck👍
@iPervy
@iPervy Жыл бұрын
@@angeldesigns1385 Truly thank you for the tip! I was worried about how to go about lining up the gas block, and was prepared to just wing it. But, your mention of the spaghetti trick seems like a cheap winner of a idea haha. Still debating on how far to torque the nut, so if 55 worked for you I may aim for that myself. Planning to do the install next week after testing out my in jail supressor one more time with my current build vs different muzzle devices. I'll give it my best shot! Thanks once again!
@angeldesigns1385
@angeldesigns1385 Жыл бұрын
@@iPervy Yep no worries👍
@jhutch1470
@jhutch1470 Жыл бұрын
@@iPervy You can check what your upper company wants, but the old delta ring nuts torque spec was between 35 and 80 lb ft. My Aero M4E1 upper wanted 50 lb feet, but you have a pretty good range that should be safe. I would like Caleb to give us a cool answer though.
@onmilo
@onmilo Жыл бұрын
"You just return the (Bummer) Barrel and we replace it." Bingo and kudos to Brownells.
@TwoStageTrigger
@TwoStageTrigger Жыл бұрын
I had someone lap my upper for a flat face before attaching my barrel and other people have told me that it will effect my headspace. The problem with that is, headspace is determined by the barrel and extension, not the extention and the reciever. Yes if you lap it down too far you can cause problens, but not with headspace. Your bolt wont be far enough forward for the hammer to hit the firing pin.
@Coinbro
@Coinbro Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining it shouldnt be an issue like i thought for the last 25 years of shooting them but the manufacture could screw up so just headspacing is double checking their work
@inyourdefense0
@inyourdefense0 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this tutorial!!
@jaredcritzer2647
@jaredcritzer2647 5 ай бұрын
Thanks guys
@ezrabrooks12
@ezrabrooks12 Жыл бұрын
Good Video/Info. I always check the Head Space on a New Upper. So far I've never had a Bad One. I agree, Just send it back because Its not worth the time and money to correct it !!!!!!
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 Жыл бұрын
Something else that can affect pressure--the leade (or throat or freebore--I forgot the technical term). If the rifling starts too close to the chamber then the chamber pressure can be too high with standard ammunition. Chrome or nitrated barrels will make it hard to change the leade. I may have encountered that at my local public rifle range where I was one of the range safety officers. An AR-15 on line--a custom match-grade AR-15--was showing signs of excessive pressure including stuck cases and punctured primers when fired using commercial match grade ammunition. I recommended a gunsmith's visit with a couple of fired cases and suggested that there might be insufficient freebore--and the rifling was that was that way to maximize accuracy. If I was correct, it was a matter of just a few thousandths of an inch. At any rate, an expensive gunsmith's visit was called for.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
Yup, short chambers will have the same symptoms too. A throat gauge from M-guns is a good gauge to check for a 5.56 throat or chamber gauges from PTG are even better that will check to see if the throat and chamber were cut correctly..
@ETHRON1
@ETHRON1 Жыл бұрын
Steve and Caleb hit in on the head...space that is..return it..
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
Yup
@Gunthusiest
@Gunthusiest Жыл бұрын
Have you heard the idea that torturing the barrel nut differently will fix it?😂 I laugh every time I hear that one.
@versoarmamentcompany
@versoarmamentcompany Жыл бұрын
Great point
@elwayb.602
@elwayb.602 Жыл бұрын
Yep that’s a going to get a shipping label situation
@03redrubi
@03redrubi Жыл бұрын
Soooooo, where's that headspace check video already?! Thanks guys...
@jamieweirdworld
@jamieweirdworld Жыл бұрын
Thanks fellas.
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 Жыл бұрын
I don't disagree, but I will add another option. I discovered I had four nitride barrels in storage that were out of spec with every bolt I tried. The GO gauge would not go. Even though they were new and unused, the supplier refused to take them back, claiming I was beyond their warranty return period (no, it was not Brownells). For me it was worth purchasing a carbide reamer from Pacific TooI and reaming the chambers myself. This is very much a trial and error process that needs to be attempted extremely slowly. I was expecting the nitride coating to offer some resistance, but the reamer went through the material like a hot knife through butter. I ran the lathe at 600 RPM and squirted some Oatey high sulfur cutting oil in the breeches. The only issue I encountered was operator induced on the first barrel. I cut a few thousandths too deeply, so now even a NO GO gauge will act like a GO gauge. On the other three barrels I just kissed their chambers and that was all they needed. The ruined barrel sits in my trash bin because trying to salvage it is not worth the effort and would require making other parts out of spec.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
Nitride is possible, but it will dull the reamer quicker.. If the no go gauge goes it may still be safe. Try to find a set of incremental chamber gauges to see how far from the field setting it is. Hard on brass if reloading but it maybe safe to shoot..
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 Жыл бұрын
@@hairydogstail Thanks, but since I build them for customers, I don't intend to sell them anything that isn't spec.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
@@Paladin1873 Agree, sounds like you have it covered well..I hope your customers appreciate you go the extra distance for them when so many won't..
@S1L3NTG4M3R
@S1L3NTG4M3R Жыл бұрын
THANKS
@oldtanker4860
@oldtanker4860 Жыл бұрын
When you buy a barrel AND bolt / carrier group together are they normally checked for headspace before being shipped to you?
@CatRacer1a2a
@CatRacer1a2a Жыл бұрын
Only if it specifically says they are headspace matched.
@toddparsons2980
@toddparsons2980 Жыл бұрын
Agree.
@marine6680
@marine6680 Жыл бұрын
Basically, changing the head spacing on an already assembled AR barrel is impractical. At least when it comes to altering the physical headspace of the barrel. If you are lucky, it’s just a bit of tolerance stacking, and a different bolt may work. That is, if you have a spare on hand. If not, just return the barrel for replacement. If it happens on the second barrel too, the bolt you are trying to use may be the problem.
@zach58258
@zach58258 9 ай бұрын
Now im worried lol. I've built a kit before but Im building my first AR from scratch currently. I have a criterion core barrel on the way. So should I return it if the headpsace is too long? I need to do more research on how to check headpsace, im a bit confused lol.
@photobyTaps
@photobyTaps Жыл бұрын
You guys are the best!
@fearofchicke
@fearofchicke Жыл бұрын
I’d appreciate it if y’all began these videos with a brief overview of what you’re referencing. I know what headspacing is from my time with an M2, but if someone is watching these videos it’s likely they don’t.
@fearofchicke
@fearofchicke Жыл бұрын
Great videos as always, though.
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Check the description, there is a link to a dedicated video on what headspace is.
@shadyp-zv3uf
@shadyp-zv3uf Жыл бұрын
running Aero Percision (NITRIDE but want to send back for the PHOSPHATE C.L.) (it's unused) BCG & a Rosco 13.7
@johnchristian1205
@johnchristian1205 Жыл бұрын
If it ain't right send it back. Got ya.
@seanomeirs8362
@seanomeirs8362 Жыл бұрын
My JP Sauer and Sohns 38H that Grandpa brought back from WW2 fires reliably, and is accurate, but I have been getting hot powder in the face blowing back. Could it be that the barrel is worn out, and/or, that the modern .32 ACP ammo is not good for it? Not using until I sort it out, because I believe that without safety glasses, a person could damage their eyes.
@sxsboy2253
@sxsboy2253 Жыл бұрын
Hey guys I just remembered a headspace story where the guy had a real headspace issue. About 15 years ago my buddy had a gun shop that was more of a reloading store than a repair shop. Anyway, he sells a guy an AR and a few days later the guy brings it back into the store and is mad as a hornet because he bought a “ piece of blankety-blank” gun that obviously shouldn’t have been sold in the first place. His complaint…. After every shot the brass came out of the gun almost “ripped in half.” He had several cases that were sure enough ripped from the web in the head of the case all the waythrough the mouth. Ripped clean open. So as I’m standing there looking at a destroyed case the thought hit me like a ton of bricks. As Paul Harvey would say at this pint “ the rest of the story” is rolling the case over to the clean side I saw the perfect silhouette of a 7.62X39 chamber. I solved that headspace issue with a simple 5 second conversation. “ You need to use the correct ammunition”
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
Hilarious, but more common than many would believe..
@khann844
@khann844 Жыл бұрын
Recently checked the head space on my new RR upper and the go gauge wouldn't close. I checked it with three different bolts and still wouldn't close. Before I checked the head spacing I shot 60 rounds out of it and it worked fine no torn or ripped brass or primers. I called RR and they told me to run it. Would like to know what you all think?
@adamsmyth584
@adamsmyth584 Жыл бұрын
Ive had the issue of the BCG not fully engaging into the barrel. With a very expensive custom build lothar Walther barrel. I didnt ask how my RFD fixed it and he didnt tell. He didnt own a reamer 😀
@DL101ca
@DL101ca Жыл бұрын
Was his first name Bubba ?
@rachel81962
@rachel81962 Жыл бұрын
I have changed out bolts themselves and found a few thousand s before.
@seanomeirs8362
@seanomeirs8362 Жыл бұрын
I have a .300 blackout barrel that has a headspace problem. With the 208 and 220g subsonic rounds, the bullet will engage with the rifling when chambering. When I try to extract the round, the bullet stays, while the case and powder make a mess. It shoot very well with 110-150 grain, so I was tempted to leave it, but I have never attempted firing the heavier bullets.
@kuzz7919
@kuzz7919 Жыл бұрын
What or who's barrel ?
@seanomeirs8362
@seanomeirs8362 Жыл бұрын
@@kuzz7919 Thanks for asking. I'm embarrassed to tell you that it is a company called Ceratac, and it has been a test for me, to see how cheaply I could build a rifle. My first was a Patriot Ordinance Factory (POF), and a few more are Palmetto State Armory. I haven't given up on the cheapest build ever, because I am learning along the way.
@seanomeirs8362
@seanomeirs8362 Жыл бұрын
@@kuzz7919 Guns and Gadgets had a video that gave me the idea.
@kuzz7919
@kuzz7919 Жыл бұрын
@@seanomeirs8362 I'm sorry you ran into that problem. Live and learn trust me I have been there. I buy my barrels & uppers ONLY when on sale that way I can get quality parts Cheap. BA Hanson barrels, Brownell & PSA uppers, BCG I use Fail Zero Nibo & PSA.
@seanomeirs8362
@seanomeirs8362 Жыл бұрын
@@kuzz7919 PSA and POF have been great. I was trying to build an AR for $300, just for fun, and as I mentioned, I have learned a lot. I may just buy a barrel.
@Alfs_Armory
@Alfs_Armory Жыл бұрын
Fireform brass, back off the reloading dies, add a bit more powder… Whammo, wildcat round, 5.56 long.
@Alfs_Armory
@Alfs_Armory Жыл бұрын
The AR can have a little case head separation, as a treat.
@MrJeronlewis
@MrJeronlewis Жыл бұрын
Haha. I don't know why someone would do that. Funny to think about though.
@cesarotz
@cesarotz 13 күн бұрын
I put together "built" an AR pistol in 7.62x39 and the bolt carrier jams after each shot and then I have to mortar it to unjam the bolt carrier. Is this caused by the bolt and upper not having the same head space??
@allthingsconsidered3211
@allthingsconsidered3211 Жыл бұрын
I checked the headspace on a barrel handguard install from jp. They called for red loc tite on the threads… which must be a troll now. Cuz that seated before i could even torque it fully. I guessed i put atleast 25 lbs on but couldnt get to my torque wrench fast enough. It didn’t budge when “torqued” Barrel was a faxon 6.5cm 20” 416ss nitride match lr308 Then also changed the bolt out to a small firing pin (jp high pressure lr308 6.5cm bolt) and the thing had a mono-gas ring. It didnt seal at all. Had to buy std 3 piece gas rings and replace. I like jp products but damn u gotta be a gunsmith to work with them sometimes. Damn “race gun parts”
@jhutch1470
@jhutch1470 Жыл бұрын
Hell, the barrel you showed us wasn't very good either. I hope you sent that one back also.
@jasongaudreau2075
@jasongaudreau2075 Жыл бұрын
Question: if I purchase this noveske leonidas 12.5” barrel from y’all (brownells) and I purchase a brand new sionics np3 coated bcg. They should headspace correctly? And if I check with brownells go/nogo gauges and something is off, where am I at? Considering the prices and names behind both the noveske barrel and sionics bcg (with OCKS)….they SHOULD go together like pb&j…..right???
@jasongaudreau2075
@jasongaudreau2075 Жыл бұрын
I mainly ask because noveske website want $620+++ while it’s available @ brownells for $589…but noveske will headspace the bolt if you buy a bcg from them as well, now we’re talking $850-$900++ and no OCKS on noveske bcg, I WANT the sionics no3!
@yomama3622
@yomama3622 Жыл бұрын
I’m debating on getting a prebuilt upper for my new AR308 build or trying my hand at assembling my own upper but the head spacing is the most daunting and frightening aspect of it to me lol
@noahtittle1233
@noahtittle1233 Жыл бұрын
Do you have the proper tools to torque and hold an upper and barrel? If not I would just buy a prebuilt one in the pattern you you prefer.
@Osprey1994
@Osprey1994 Жыл бұрын
I would stick with a prebuilt.
@killjoysxe
@killjoysxe Жыл бұрын
Buy a quality barrel and bcg and you’ll have nothing to worry about.
@jimmyschock9395
@jimmyschock9395 Жыл бұрын
Yep good barrel and pretty much any decent bcg and you should be gtg. Assembly isnt as hard as some make it out too be. Alough an action rod is handy
@jfruser
@jfruser Жыл бұрын
If you have the proper tools and can follow instructions, you can make it happen. I put my AR-15 together with the help of youtube vidyas made by the old dude from Midway. Also had plenty of written materials to consult. Read thrice, watch thrice, wrench once.
@tacticalrabbit308
@tacticalrabbit308 Жыл бұрын
Can you custom order a barrel to fit ammunition that you already have for an ar-10 ?
@mattipps
@mattipps Жыл бұрын
If you send Manson your loaded ammunition they can make a reamer for that ammunition. Then you just need a good smith the cut the thread and chamber.
@AndyCigars
@AndyCigars Жыл бұрын
Caleb needs to do his best Jeff Goldblum... "...so preoccupied with whether you could...you didn't bother to stop and think whether or not you *should* !"
@actionjksn
@actionjksn Жыл бұрын
I've been hearing for years that I need to check the headspace. I know I do and I'm going to buy a couple of gauges but I have not bought them yet. I also know the odds of my headspace being so far off that I have a catastrophic failure with an AR-15 is extremely slim. An amazing number of people do not want to admit this fact but it's true. I don't know why everything is right the vast majority of the time but it is. Usually even with cheap stuff it works out fine.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
I have seen short chambers way more than any oversized chamber in the AR platform, which is why I recommend checking every bolt / barrel chamber with the proper go gauge in 5.56, a 1.4646 go gauge..
@raffieb762
@raffieb762 4 ай бұрын
I just got a new barrel from brownells, got a cmc triggers BCG, the go gauge only turns counterclockwise and not clockwise, any suggestions anyone?
@jhernandez8830
@jhernandez8830 Жыл бұрын
OK how about this scenario. You have an upper and a BCG and order a barrel. You have to mount the barrel, torque the nut and check headspace. Headspace is off. Can you return a barrel that has been mounted and torqued? Seems cheaper and safer to buy a barrel and upper assy in 1st place.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
Depends on the manufacturer but it is easy to check head space before you mount the barrel..
@mlentsch
@mlentsch Жыл бұрын
It's fairly obvious that Steve wants to beat Caleb senseless.
@YorktownUSA
@YorktownUSA Жыл бұрын
I feel like this was an intervention for some of us 😅
@Matt-ms5hi
@Matt-ms5hi Жыл бұрын
Stupid question, but could you use barrel shims around the barrel extension for headspace that’s not enough?
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Nope, that does absolutely nothing.
@Matt-ms5hi
@Matt-ms5hi Жыл бұрын
@@CalebSavant thanks for the quick answer. Us Crayon eaters can be kinda stupid sometimes. Lol
@DL101ca
@DL101ca Жыл бұрын
@@Matt-ms5hi eating is fine. Dun stick em up your nose...
@jamesyoung7560
@jamesyoung7560 Жыл бұрын
If there's not enough headspace, could you just chuck the bolt up in a lathe (or better a tool and cutter grinder) and remove a tiny amount of the locking face?
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
If you have access to a lot of bolts you could possibly find one that would pass the go gauge if it is not far off..Much to popular belief, bolts do come in different sizes. You can see this with incremental chamber gauges..
@saxmusicmail
@saxmusicmail Жыл бұрын
Some years back guys were buying barrels without extensions (gun show junk), and trying to buy extensions to put on them, and... well, that was a whole fiasco. Another was people selling threading dies so that coming out of the 1994-2004 AWB you could just use that die to thread the end of the barrel and screw a flash hider right on your barrel. Or so they said. That didn't work, either. There are suckers born every minute.
@tonyturner487
@tonyturner487 Жыл бұрын
I once got a barrel that seemed it was cut to narrow in the case diameter in addition to the gas port not drilled large enough. Strange
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
Many manufacturers will re-sharpen their chamber reamers creating a tight chamber. This is why it is a good idea to check chambers with a function gauge as well as proper go/no go gauges at minimum..
@Ducati121
@Ducati121 Ай бұрын
I guess I have been lucky, 4 ARs built and have never had an issue with headspace and only one of them was packaged with a bolt.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 6 күн бұрын
If you don't check head space, then you have no idea if it it will have issues?? Short chambers are much more common than excessive length chambers..
@xman577
@xman577 4 ай бұрын
I’ve had three brand new barrels by three different manufacturers, they didn’t pass headspace. I shipped them all back to the manufacturer. One of them told me it couldn’t possibly be out of headspace. I sent it to him and a couple weeks later I received another brand new barrel.
@michaelmappin4425
@michaelmappin4425 Ай бұрын
On a factory built rifle, if the barrel comes off to install handguard, will the headspace be the same upon reassembling?
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 6 күн бұрын
If the barrel/ bolt combination is the same, then it will have the same head space..
@michaelmappin4425
@michaelmappin4425 5 күн бұрын
@@hairydogstail thank you
@engine22emt
@engine22emt 5 ай бұрын
Been running the AR platform for years Bought a Daniel Defense BCG and had head space issues Called brownell and they suggested one of their BCGs fixed the issue for $70 less
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 6 күн бұрын
If you have head space gauges, then try different bolt combinations..Bolts come in different sizes, no matter what people say or think..I separate my bolts, small medium large..Changing the carrier has no effect on head space..
@stektirade
@stektirade 8 ай бұрын
Well what if no barrel manufacturer out here does not make a barrel specifically for the armalite ar10 and have to go with the lr 308 pattern? I've been trying to find a workaround for this. Be easier if manufacturers just simply made extensions for armalites.
@futuresngun3785
@futuresngun3785 Жыл бұрын
Smith here! If the headspace is short then remove shoulder mat behind the tenon. Too long then remove mat off tenon. Always measure with a depth mic!
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
Do you mean the bolt lugs? What are you calling a tenon??
@CallofDoobie585
@CallofDoobie585 Жыл бұрын
Just drink some coffee, get a box n shipping label, send it. Or get that loot back 😂
@thinman8621
@thinman8621 Жыл бұрын
How do you check headroom?
@budprepper3811
@budprepper3811 Жыл бұрын
How about doing a Smyth Busters on Forced reset triggers and Hellfire triggers being machine guns by definition or not.
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Because the definition would simply just change when we proved them wrong.
@mmpiforall5913
@mmpiforall5913 Жыл бұрын
If head space is too tight, swap in a second bolt and see if it's still tight, then replace the barrel!
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du 3 ай бұрын
Better to say: The Average Builder is not set up to perform the complicated process of altering Headspace. One would easily spend 100Xs the costs of buying barrels even to get the tools necessary to perform the alterations.
@temptedadverse
@temptedadverse 8 ай бұрын
Do i need to worry about head spacing when changing a hand guard?
@brownells
@brownells 8 ай бұрын
Nope
@killercurl1
@killercurl1 Жыл бұрын
im just gonna send it.
@larryhoward7106
@larryhoward7106 4 ай бұрын
It could be the bolt that's not head spacing right. It's not always the barrel.
@traillesstravelled7901
@traillesstravelled7901 Жыл бұрын
Don't tell the wife, or we'll have to return $160,000 worth of milling tools. Come-on be reasonable.
@sxsboy2253
@sxsboy2253 Жыл бұрын
7 or 8 times more😮
@dirtybrd702
@dirtybrd702 Жыл бұрын
Buy your bolt and barrel from the same company that is reputable, and you shouldn't have any problems. Spikes Tactical, brother
@falconcowboy9995
@falconcowboy9995 Жыл бұрын
Assuming all your parts are spec from a reputable manufacturer company supplier..........check headspace just to be safe.........I've mixed and matched different bolts barrels and calibers.........only problem I've ever had was cheap bolt lugs breaking off
@thomaslomeo2736
@thomaslomeo2736 Жыл бұрын
Great video.. too bad I am too stupid and I have no idea what you’re talking about I guess I will have to Google it and find out…
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Or just read the description and watch the videos listed there that answer your exact question.
@thomaslomeo2736
@thomaslomeo2736 Жыл бұрын
@@CalebSavant sorry I’m a little bit slow but I was born that way.. Thank you for your advice
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
@@thomaslomeo2736 No need to apologize, don't be so hard on yourself bud! Thanks for watchin'!
@ETHRON1
@ETHRON1 Жыл бұрын
"The labor in what I just explained is more than you paid for the barrel"...unless your name is Larry Porterfield, then it can be done in under 5 minutes..😆😆😆
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Isn't that the guy who stopped making gunsmithing videos? Asking for a friend...
@ETHRON1
@ETHRON1 Жыл бұрын
@@CalebSavant I think he did...😄
@MadMathMike
@MadMathMike Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these videos, but does the introduction of the myth always feel a little awkward and sometimes confusing? 😅 I appreciate you all, regardless. Thanks for posting! 🙏🙂
@keithd4324
@keithd4324 Жыл бұрын
Can a gauge for 5.56 be used for 300 blackout?
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail Жыл бұрын
No, they are different chambers..
@viewatyourownrisk
@viewatyourownrisk Жыл бұрын
I know an AR15's headspace can go out of spec after it's been fire enough. Where is it in the barrel, extension, bolt, or whatever that changes to take an AR15's headspace out of spec?
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
Typically the lugs in the barrel extension and on the bolt, where they contact each other.
@viewatyourownrisk
@viewatyourownrisk Жыл бұрын
@@CalebSavant Can the extension and/or bolt be replaced to try to fix this problem?
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
@@viewatyourownrisk The extension is much more trouble than it's worth and by the time it's worn down, you should be looking at maybe replacing that barrel anyways. So even though it is possible (the process is explained in the video) it is not recommended.
@viewatyourownrisk
@viewatyourownrisk Жыл бұрын
@@CalebSavant Thanks Caleb. These vids from Brownells are all pretty great. Cheers!
@DL101ca
@DL101ca Жыл бұрын
For it to get out of spec you would have spent so much money on ammo that replacing them wouldn't make a dent in your budget, or you bought one of those Khyber Pass ARs that are made using swiss dark chocolate instead of steel.
@3dtexan890
@3dtexan890 Жыл бұрын
How about talking about the delivery methods that seem to be changing for ALL gun parts? I am talking about refusals to ship anything firearm related, thereby creating a backdoor to circumvent the 2nd Amendment. Just askin'.
@mohammedcohen
@mohammedcohen Жыл бұрын
...I've NEVER had that problem with ANY parts I order...from ANYONE...mebbe it's because I live in Florida, I dunno...
@Vuntermonkey
@Vuntermonkey Жыл бұрын
I just want another "mean comments" video.
@jimziogas8978
@jimziogas8978 Жыл бұрын
Swapping out bolts until they find one that works best to mate with the barrel extension is what Criterion ships with…
@mrsgtshepardxd6193
@mrsgtshepardxd6193 Жыл бұрын
Is there anything even in those coffee mugs?
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
This video should answer that- kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKWoc6CBiLmKmrs
@chrisgabbert658
@chrisgabbert658 Жыл бұрын
To much headspace sounds like a personal problem 🤷‍♂️😁.
@Coreazcool
@Coreazcool 7 ай бұрын
I bought an AR-10 upper assy from Moriarti ... go gauge will not seat. They don't respond so I'm going to ream....
@antipc9439
@antipc9439 7 ай бұрын
Hone it till it fits
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