THE TRIPLE MONKEY THEOREM (LCS 2021 CoStreams | Summer Split | W8D2)

[@SnipingHobo_]

▼ Time Stamps [0:00:00] Game 1: GG vs TSM [0:22:13] Game 2: EG vs IMT [0:46:28] How IMT "accidently" drafted Kayn [0:47:40] Sneaky's Shotcalling/Comms in C9 [0:50:32] How the Tri-Cast Started their Streaming Careers [0:52:46] Game 3: C9 vs FLY [1:08:01] The Infinite Monkey Theorem (The Concept of Infinity) [1:16:27] Game 4: TL vs DIG [1:38:02] Game 5: 100 vs CLG

[@QTinEP]

Game 5 is an absolute NA banger of a game. It seems like both teams were paid to lose without the other knowing.

[@sneakerhead5906]

pp

[@parakathepyro]

An Infinite amount of monkeys given enough time could type out Sneaky's entire rant against the infinite amount of monkeys writing Shakespeare

[@KlineStife]

"almost surely"

[@Rayvony_]

What did you say about macaque?

[@rasmusgarbonzo1411]

@@Rayvony_ wtf did he say about ur cok???

[@dboyx2]

The infinite monkey theorem was legit the best thing ever lol

[@novadreamer1779]

I would've never expected sneaky to argue that point in the way I thought DL would have lmao

[@Zamerux]

It's so weird that sneaky fails to grasp the concept of infinity haha. Like, I get where he's coming from, but it's the same reasoning behind every conceivable number pattern contained within the digits of pi. If we take away the fact that they're monkeys and only deal with a computer dispensing arbitrary sequences of letters, does that help him rationalize it? Given infinite time, all conceivable events that can occur are *likely* to occur, not that they *will* occur.

[@TheJerbol]

@@Zamerux I was with you until the last sentence. With infinite time all things based purely on probability WILL happen

[@lizzb1065]

I adored that moment so much....

[@sneppy338]

No it wasn't, it was giving me a headache. How does sneaky not get that.

[@peffiSC2source]

If you give five monkeys enough time on CLG, they will eventually win LCS.

[@rasmusgarbonzo1411]

not even infinite time and monkeys will allow that to happen bro :/

[@byronchan4765]

you were kinda right bro

[@williamkaiser8386]

The Sneaky "its so spooky" story is just so fucking funny man wow

[@vmamarcucci]

I wish I could find this video

[@ethancheng2631]

ya same i really want to find this vid

[@finpli2673]

@@vmamarcucci it just doesn't exist, i literally checked all games sneaky ever played against nocturne and no related mic checks are on youtube

[@Quartapple]

@@finpli2673 bless the work you did regardless

[@bryanrasengan]

@@finpli2673 so sad

[@iHollywood_]

That intro music gets me hyped

[@andrewkelley9405]

Dkc music is great

[@johndoe5949]

Do you know what the name of that music is?

[@Xeronite]

@@johndoe5949 Donky Kong Country theme

[@lihdegu8294]

Same never gets old

[@chancho1010]

Hearing about this Infinite Monkey Theory gives me hope that NA may win worlds :)

[@rasmusgarbonzo1411]

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[@TheJerbol]

WE NEED MORE MONKEYS

[@Mustgowon]

was waiting for this, laughed so hard at that monkey theorem part when i watched it live. 10/10 content!

[@Treblemaker888]

Not only will he type the complete works of Shakespeare, but he would do it an infinite amount of times. That’s just how infinity works. Smooth brain sneaky.

[@rasmusgarbonzo1411]

smoothie brained

[@victorortero8743]

That's not how monkeys work though. You're smooth brain for not thinking for yourself. It's a thought experiment.

[@rawuncutgaming]

Was hoping someone else would come to that conclusion. Smooth brain snackers.

[@Treblemaker888]

@@victorortero8743 thinking for yourself does not mean disagree with an authority's opinion. The premise is that the monkey is hitting random keys on the keyboard, NOT "there's a monkey and a typewriter let's see what happens"

[@DevilcakeLive]

@@Treblemaker888 even if that was the thought experiment, that its just a monkey and a typewriter and infinity, you have to assume that the monkey will try everything possible including typing out shakespeare, the whole point of infinity is just that, infinity. Its impossible to argue against an infinite. People argueing different are thinking with the presence of time.

[@BS-se4yg]

The infinite monkey theorem establishes that given enough time, an NA team would win world's. It would take them forever, but it would happen

[@ConnorGrummer]

Every time I'm Kalista and Nasus says "Wither" and suddenly I'm a geriatric without my walker

[@12runes]

Lololol🤣

[@devinessence]

It's actually so frustrating when it happens 😂

[@12runes]

@@devinessence I'm a top main and I play nasus. You always max wither. It's so back breaking when you tp or your jungler ganks.

[@Hujopaz]

Praise the editor. For they are the one who spoon feeds us information so we do not have to look it up ourselves. Praise be.

[@nicolasvazquez9089]

About the infinity monkeys, someone make an algorithm that put letters randomly and after some time make one paragraph of the work shakespeare. The concept is about time an combinations, you can make easier to understand the same concept, like the "space" between words its not random and that improves the overall time you need to a random algorithm make a text. But yeah, the concept of random an infinity is so interesting.

[@nicolasvazquez9089]

Ok i just hear the explanation of Sneaky saying that is impossible because the monkey wouldnt be putting random letters, instead would do mokey things, is quite razonable, so OK. Haha

[@lizzb1065]

1:08:00 has made my entire week, my dudes. Y'all casting these matches makes me INFINITELY HAPPY.

[@flightrisk7566]

the probability that one character typed at any given point in the sequence is correct is 1/26, which means that the probability that two consecutive characters being typed are correct is 1/26^2, … 1/26^n. you really would need infinite time there’s probably frequency analyses you can do to be more precise but the probability of reproducing a specific sequence at random is literally inverse exponential with respect to the length of the sequence in base 26, so that’s why the monkey thing is dumb and clocks are better even if the monkey types 300 words per minute, or something like 1200 characters per minute, it still needs several orders of magnitude more time than that in order to complete the given task, because that’s just a linear factor and the task is always getting exponentially more difficult every time Shakespeare writes another letter, let alone another word e.g. to reproduce a 1500 word secondary school essay a random monkey needs on the order of 26^1500 random trials at typing it, which would take 26^1500 characters / 4 characters / word / 300 words / minute. That brings the 2123 digit number that 26^1500 represents down to a mere… 2120? digits. As in, 2.something times 10^(2123 - 3)… minutes. And that’s not nearly as long a text as any concatenation of the complete works of Shakespeare. Measuring in hours or days brings the factor down about an order of magnitude or two, but it’s still an incomparable amount of time to the amount of time for which any single monkey or typewriter could be engaged in this task or even conceivably exist

[@landonmaccoll6200]

Hey sneaky! I really appreciate you and your editor for making the vids and having them up so soon. I work during lcs so I can’t catch the games and it’s a great way to watch the hilights and hear the squads commentary. Thank you!

[@AdamPeeGuerra]

LCS Review, pro analysis, Behind the Scenes stories from their careers, hella memes - this is the best damn podcast out there

[@brianwyntjes2345]

coming to see this super drunk, couldnt ask for anythong more for late night entertainment

[@NothinbutMike]

@meteos referencing blue mountain state at 28:39 and sneaky and DL don’t get it lmaoo

[@bglilly1]

Always look forward to these uploads, big fan of yours Snacky. You three together are just hysterical 😂❤️

[@Need1Docta]

Jesus, I did not think I would see a martingale reference in this cast haha. For anyone interested in the actual math, this is an extension of the "abracadabra typewriter" problem, which is a standard problem in probability theory. The probability of correctly writing a Shakespeare work will indeed approach 1 as the number of letters typed approaches infinity. However, if we type one letter per second, we would most definitely need more than the lifetime of the universe to achieve this.

[@Aweedproductions]

The infinity talk is fucking prime content.

[@TheJerbol]

it legit made me so mad. these guys have 3 brain cells between them honestly

[@petertran4774]

Infinite monkey theorem got me dead, especially the part about actually experiment with the monkeys at the keyboard LOL!

[@Beergoggle4321]

the monkey talk stuff is exactly why these are the only casters i watch

[@phil6844]

Been waiting for this all day 🥰🥰

[@bigmandan13]

What's crazy is I had about a 3 month long debate about the monkey problem on my high school xc team and this almost made me start it back up

[@demodotluv3r]

For those who didn’t catch the Sunday stream y’all are going to really enjoy the goat probabilities talk tomorrow

[@psychotictye-dyetrex1895]

Is wild that sneaky doesn't seem to understand the concept of infinity

[@samlee405]

It's not about him understanding or not understanding infinity. His argument revolves around the nature of monkeys. It's not in their nature to type in any such way that makes it possible for them to reproduce a complicated literary work like shakespeare regardless of whatever time frame you give them

[@leetf8522]

@@samlee405 The "monkeys" in the Infinite Monkey Theorem are merely an abstract mathematical concept referring to, essentially, something spewing random sequences, letters and numbers - not necessarily a monkey. The formal phrasing of the theorem is somehow easier to understand than the informal one, funnily enough.

[@psychotictye-dyetrex1895]

@@leetf8522 precisely

[@XSnakeguyX]

@Sadge Actually completely the opposite, at 1:15:30 he specifically says that if it were a computer generating random outputs he believes it would possibly happen, but since its a monkey and monkeys arent random (according to him), its impossible. Hes arguing about the monkey part not the infinity part.

[@samlee405]

@Sadge Cause monkeys are, by nature, not random. They're a species that live on by their own set of natural instincts. Those instincts will never (not even in an infinite amount of time) allow them to operate a typewriter or keyboard in such a way to recreate a literary work

[@Mirro18]

For anybody who is as confused as sneaky about infinite monkey: I simplify it a little to follow: A monkey presses any random button on a keyboard that has all English letters (26) and a spacebar. To write the Shakespeare quote "You egg" (look it up :P) you need 7 keystrokes to be correct. So to get the probability that if you press any random letter to type out that quote is (1/27)^7 = 0.000000000095599066. As you can see 0.000000000095599066 =/= 0, ergo if you try infinitely long it will happen because there is a chance that it happens even if it is low. If you do that with any kind of word you will notice that the number will get smaller and smaller for it to be possible but it will never be 0 means in an infinite amount of time, any text that ends will be written out if you just randomly press any key.

[@insecurecow4419]

someone needs to make an animation of a monkey typing out all of sneaky's "infinite monkey" rant

[@Wenslo]

I swear to god, if I watch another tri-cast where it starts off with Meteos...

[@CosmicDarkLord]

Sneakys sleep schedule now that he no longer has a curfew is hilarious just late all the time.

[@mochabearry]

“How long is this video… 2 hours?! Hell yeah.”

[@NiraSader]

Syndra ult either does 30 damage or oneshots someone, no inbetween

[@xSyniK]

YOOOO THE MONKEY THEORY PORTION OF THIS VIDEO HAS ME DYING AGAIN XD

[@sodergames970]

Did anyone else notice how in the beginning it says that TSM is 27-14 in the background when they were only 26-14 at the time?

[@Dan-ei2be]

Holy smokes Illuminati the future confirmed. It’s rigged

[@oooox4]

Am i trippin or have dl mentioned the infinite monkey thereom in prev eps b4

[@DjVilez]

Sneaky actually pepega-ing during the monkey theorem LOL

[@dingaia]

now, technically not monkeys, but we are descended from apes. Everything that happens at all is miracle. It's like a good thing to remember to appreciate every moment.

[@itzssun]

i cant wait for the car and goat clip

[@96Pride]

Sneaky doesn’t understand the concept of infinity..

[@Pitman856]

He’s saying it isn’t random.

[@victorortero8743]

Do you understand the concept of a monkey???

[@heehee4341]

I did not expect sneaky to nitpick over the monkey not being random enough, but then I kinda expect it

[@holysheit504]

56:59 damn even phreak made an appearance on the tricast.

[@highrise3924]

This is now THE best co-stream in the entire universe. Wish they would do like LEC too, or other leagues! They're just too fucking funny. "WHAT DID U SAY ABOUT MACAQUE?"

[@kraftpunk665]

The fact that the editor put up a photo of Charlie sheen says something about the audience

[@kraftpunk665]

I kinda wish that you put clips of the old pro games that are getting mentioned. Like when they were talking about Lee kicking varus.

[@mohammadazraazriazhar2170]

Flyquest just needed to stall out until Malz is 13. That champ is dirt weak until then. The fact that there's so much action before that is not surprising Triple became irrelevant

[@thegrayyernaut]

1:04:02 That was when Riot still remembered that there should be counterplays to every champion aside from the "just focus CC on them till they die" excuses for Irelia, Viego, and Gwen.

[@TashiPM]

I mean we are essentially monkeys semi randomly trying to understand and create… and given enough time we will create something greater than ourselves

[@bobzone09]

We already did when we created the Slinky

[@orionmilbury4817]

Does infinity include evolution? Also it’s a theory so lol hard to tell

[@rhorantyko7796]

14:40 ofc he didn't get hit. There's no Ally vision in noc ult and he's in brush lol.

[@alex_lian]

Where’s the stamp for the three monkey theorem xD

[@Dennis-cl8dh]

We back once again with the triples

[@OrvilleMohe]

Holy sh!t, how many times is Sneaky going to flash RAZER on the screen? Like that is straight illegal, how is this even allowed to be up? How is no one talking about this? (For reference one of the times is right after 1:18:07 right when Meteos says "huh!").

[@adscards4709]

lol bro its a paid advertisement. let him get his bread.

[@thekilla1234]

@@adscards4709 He's talking about at random points in the video a massive version of the image shows up at the bottom of the screen for like 0.1 seconds when a new image loads. It's been happening for ages, I first noticed it with the NordVPN image. It's not intentional though, it's clearly a bug in how his streaming software loads images.

[@tsgla]

An infinite amount of Sneakys would definitely get the theorem.

[@BlackForest147]

Did I not watch c9 vs fly??? There was a malz this week???

[@Skillet4588]

The Sneaky and Meteos part where they talked about not liking to shit on a player, seemed troll as hell lol. They rip on Chime, Jizuke and all of CLG so much lol

[@pauloafonso5808]

I mean they arent shitting on jizuke anymore, as he stopped doing some very questionable plays as much as he was doing before. But CLG... i mean just watch that last game, how can you not shit on a team like that? A gold flex queue with friends is more coordinated than that, what the actual fuck. So they were shitting a lot harder before, now they are more chill and trashtalk the players more for the lols it seems. You can see that while the play is happening they will shit on them and trashtalk, but then they will consider and analyze it more.

[@anyichibuogwu9086]

Ive never laughed so hard at a youtube video in my LIFE yall are too damn funny

[@juaojp8211]

Im so happy right now

[@NivekNitram719]

That convo about not shitting on players randomly should have happened while Double lift was nit picking towards Aphro. He had presence and enabled the squad don't need to hit every ability to have the enemy team back off. Chaos is a method.

[@dankrishnadasan9295]

Wahoo another vid!!

[@francis7890]

these co-streams are the fucking best so funny

[@baydendora4857]

Another fun theory is Zeno's paradox. if you always go half the distance you'll never make your goal. So if a monkey has an infinite amount of time to write shakespeare and he writes half of what he has left every shift, he will never finish shakespeare

[@leetf8522]

Zeno's paradox is theoretically resolved at "infinities" - especially since Shakespeare's works are discrete and not continuous (which is to say, the monkey can't keep typing smaller and smaller words, so to speak - it will eventually finish the word).

[@PaddyRoon7]

Remember there was a moment where CLG was a good team? Like 12 years ago? Those were the days. hotshotGG, Saintvicious, bigfatjiji, doublelift, chauster. (Elementz was pretty bad and chauster was a great support)

[@rham5817]

The monkeys were trying to show us how to really use the keyboard.

[@ricksmeding7700]

this is flame only stream?

[@Pheod1x]

The inner monkey in all of us came out a little there xD 1:11:33

[@EclipsaMyrtenaster]

Jesus christ that infinite monkey bullshit part was actually funny

[@Evan2768]

I actually agree with Sneaky you couldn’t get an entire 50 page play script with every letter and word in order, even with infinite time. This is a similar argument to when people say they believe in God because the random exploding and fucking of molecules can’t lead to the creation of the human eye and soul. Infinite time doesn’t make all things possible. Time is only one factor. Sneaky comes off as being stupid but I think he’s right.

[@TroDude69]

i think the biggest issue with lcs is that it's gotten to be too over-produced. the popularity of these streams tell me that all people really need to be entertained by lcs is to have entertaining commentary. sometimes lcs gameplay can be really dry and having commentators with good cohesion and chemistry makes it so much easier to watch

[@maxxvii2037]

It's true what Meteos say about streamers. When it comes to league, or games in general, the level of play doesn't seem to matter as much as personality nowdays. Most big streamers have either personality or a mix of both, but skilled no-personality ones don't pump up the numbers, something they did back then.

[@This_Is_Something]

Maybe it's just the phrase "The complete works of Shakespeare" that the monkey needs to type

[@elkronnie6500]

@1:12:23 Yoo, Sneaky, mathematician here, let's make this podcast happen.

[@Avalanche341]

1:13:48 You know, in a way, DLift is right here xD

[@TheSeventhEnd]

I could swear the title is wrong. It's the games from W8D1 right? Today was C9 vs TSM. So it has to be from yesterday.

[@MelniaShadow]

C9 v TSM is W8D3

[@jeffwiegand1]

Duuude Meteos and Sneaky's periods are synced, the Charlie Sheen

[@kishisafish]

they should be the main stream

[@Walterthefriendly]

it doesnt matter how unlikely it is that something can happen. Infinity is guaranteed and never-ending. There is not 0 chance! so think of it like if you had 26 letters or digits. 26 to the power of 2 means you get 2 of the letters in correct order. If you had a Shakespeare play that had 10,000 letters in it. So the math to lucky fall into matching all of the letters issss...... 26 to the power of 10,000 I think. That is a crazy big number but it's still nowhere near infinity OH FUCK I just typed 26^10,000 in the google calculater and it says (26^10,000) = Infinity

[@CaptainKipo-n6g]

It’s supposed to be extremely coordinated in pro plays yet Ego always get in the way. Like in EG vs IMT, I bet the Ryze only thought of “me me me” in his head.

[@nts4906]

Hey Sneaky I have a masters in philosophy and would be happy to explain the infinite monkey theory to you on stream ;)

[@kraftpunk665]

Damn sneaky really has some preconceptions about monkeys

[@10tothe10088]

Love in the EG IMT game everyone has like 6-10 games played on their champ and Sven is just casually 58-32 W/L on Lee Sin - more wins or losses on the champ than the entire enemy team has W/L on all 5 champs combined, lmao

[@alex_lian]

Someone make a Wiki page for TMT

[@dylanjacobs8368]

sneaky likes dudes

[@ericdemaray2464]

Yes

[@ahmeddarwish4584]

sneaky is so smart, 1:15:50 if it were computers instead of the monkeys

[@FizzleIsGaming]

id love to hear sneaky argue about how something having a probability of 0 still doesnt necessarily mean it’s impossible.

[@DaoNguyen-iy2iu]

Im sorry but Sneaky really doesnt understand the concept of Infinite lol.

[@JrodG14]

Exactly. I was rolling my eyes.

[@andrewkelley9405]

I love how sneaky lost his mind.

[@NothinbutMike]

How can you not understand that with infinite possibilities there’s infinite outcomes? It’s like playing league…. You’re going to find what works, EVENTUALLY

[@NothinbutMike]

As a math major how do you not Acknowledge these possibilities?

[@incarnation151]

Sneaky was trolling, he's saying that "a monkey" is not gonna do it, because it will do monkey stuffs like smashing the typewriter. He said it at the end that true random can do it but a monkey is not, he is just taking the theory's name too literal.

[@rasmusgarbonzo1411]

they dont get it, cuz theyr monkeys

[@davitofolixd]

ITS PLANETS PSEUDO SIMULATING LIFE AND WE GOT IT RIGHT I'M SO HAPPY hahahaha

[@Fyrbolt200]

Did anyone else crack up when the editor showed Charlie Sheen, idk why I find that so funny lmfao

[@Andy123180]

Let's go

[@playr4]

The stupid monkey thing is ruined by the use of the word monkey. The point of the theorem is that if you have an infinite amount of time and an infinite amount of key strokes, every single text ever written will will show up. It's just like how technically, pi includes every single combination of numbers, because it's infinitely long.

[@davitofolixd]

the infinite amount of time is really long

[@JesusChrist-id8ml]

one day sneaky will come in time

[@Ckola775]

Using the time the time since the start of the universe to now as a unit of measure, randomly typing out a 500000 letter book comes out to about 14000 universes. So while technically possible, I believe sneaky is right as this won’t be “random” as there is a literal monkey and way too many spaces lol.

[@andrewferguson6901]

game 1 double mejais doing a lot of heavy lifting

[@GILLBERT97]

Let’s goooooooo

[@oldpro8783]

I like sneaky's content, but I feel like his inability to understand monkey theorem is a symptom of a larger problem that people are unable to interact with hypotheticals. It doesn't mean a monkey lives forever. If you go on for literal ever the monkey will get the entire works of shakespeare and get the last letter or punctuation wrong an infinite number of times. The monkey will also finish the works properly. It's not about if a monkey CAN do this, it's about interacting with hypotheticals and I feel like society at large is less and less able to comprehend hypotheticals.

[@windows5096]

i think he just thinks the hypothetical is too unlikely even given an infinite amount of time, attention span+motor skills of a monkey is a a real barrier. even with an infinite amount of monkeys, do monkeys as a species have the capability of pressing pressing individual keys on a keyboard for even a chapter? say, each individual monkey gets his time, hypothetically all of them will either die or break the keyboard before even a chapter is written. the hypothetical clashes with the reality. Say, you had an infinite amount of immortal monkeys so each had the chance to complete a whole work of shakespear? again its rough. maybe an infinite amount of immortal monkeys all taught how to press a single key at a time on a keyboard? there is such a thing as statistical probability being so low that the event in question is deemed impoosible. thats not hypotheticals, thats just the field of statistics. the thing with hypotheticals is that they are fun if you dont think too hard about it, but at the same time, they hardly contribute to much. you seem to think society needs hypotheticals to function which is downright silly. No, we dont. As a society we understand probability and statistics which we use to inform us on what is the best choices moving forward. you can also talk about given an infnite amount of games, can tryndamere crit on every single auto in a 30 minute game? fun to think about, absolutely useless and statistically impossible anyways. we dont need silly monkey writing shakespear hypotheticals. you are being a pseudo intellectual over something that doesnt matter. a hypothetical that actually says something for example is the ship that has all of its parts replaced one by one until no original part exists. that hypothetical contributes to a discussion about the self and identity.

[@CosmicDarkLord]

@@windows5096 I agree with your first 2 parts. I disagree on your final paragraph that the monkey theorum in something that does not matter. The whole point of the situation and why its being used in reference to league is about consistency. If you give team with less competency, intelligence, or what ever word you describe them as they will eventually win. Even though a monkey(CLG) is grossly incompetent for completing the task if given enough time nothing about the monkey has changed but they will accomplish something. Just because Flyquest academy or CLG win a game or 2 or even if they flopped all the way to winning a split it would not mean they are not monkey examples. The orgs have done a terrible job and it should not be ignored. Getting better should be the goal not flinging feces at a wall until something sticks. Or hoping that TL,100T,C9,TSM, and EG all implode with roster problems is not the goal. A lot of teams got free passes at the beginning of this split because the top teams decided to shoot themselves in the foot. This is leading to the discussion that many of the GMS and coaches are not qualified for their position. They have been in the scene to long to continue to get hired. Now we can start a discussion of who should be in charge of these positions. How do we quantify it? Ex pros? Do we need more assistant coaches to be able to grow them into the position. I do not have the answer but this theorem I hope will bring light to this discussion for the betterment of the whole league.

[@brandonwadlington8552]

Sneaky is right. No ACTUAL monkey would make the works of Shakespeare. It's all based on the idea of "randomly" producing letters/symbols forever. But that is different than a monkey at a keyboard

[@gusr7513]

Every time there is something outside the scope of league it is sad to see how dumb most challenger players are. I guess it makes sense, since they pass 10 hours a day in front of the same video game.

[@Pitman856]

except that they are just dicking around and having fun.

[@hamburgerlover9825]

lets go