2023 Ski Doo MXZ NEO+ Detailed Overview

[@Rehmer94]

One of the best video's I've seen of the ST group, thanks. Nicely done. Very cool segment of the sport that needs this niche piece.

[@snowtrax]

Thank you, Derek! Appreciate the support!!

[@mikeh4053]

@@snowtrax mrbp make a can for it?

[@newslendergaming6721]

@@mikeh4053 probably not look on the website and figure it out yourself

[@mikeh4053]

@@newslendergaming6721 dude, you so missed the joke.

[@oldwrench4213]

This is what the Blast should have been. Ski Doo did this right and made a great move in the entry level market. Price is correct and definitely puts the Blast in the rearview mirror. Well done BRP.

[@jonl2938]

Yep, and then you can grow in to an MXZ or Renegade sport with another 30hp for only $1000 more.

[@wasupfool5692]

@@desmo8755 makes perfect sense for the teenagers and beginners who it's built for

[@desmo8755]

Weirdest post ever. Blast is purpose-built with smaller chassis and engine. Neo has all the chassis and engine of a 100 hp sled detuned to half that. How in heck can you say the Blast “should have been” that?

[@daneulekowski929]

In 2006 I bought a mxz550x as a 40 year old with limited funds. That sled only had 60 hp and it absolutely was a blast in the trails. I think this sled is gonna sell like hotcakes.

[@MBTUE]

Ski Doo hit a homerun with the NEO ! Perfect for my 17 and 24 year old daughters.

[@denisbrisebois7658]

When Mr. Lester starts a video by saying “we will talk about psychology” you better sit back and you better pay attention !!! Well done, thank you sir !!! A+++

[@shperax]

Finally. A full size fun sled that will get you out and about on the trails. And at a decent price. My wife just likes to ride trails for the scenery and to go on trips. She is very intimidated by my 900T Renegade, and it's fairly heavy for her to handle properly. She is going to love this sled.

[@snowtrax]

I bet she will. It's a really nice sled.

[@jodypierson3137]

This was my first winter back on snowmobiles in 25 years, they are way more fun than I remembered them being and my 7 and 10 year old girls can’t get enough of them, for that reason I have a second one on the way, I all the sudden can’t wait until next winter.

[@joesainato8051]

Nice video Mark. I couldn’t agree more this should be a good selling machine. I’m a Polaris guy but the evo has to be modified to get it to sit up more and increase the power as well as you said fan cooled. My girlfriend is a beginner and has ridden the 125hp sleds but she doesn’t want or need it. And as you said the price point is spot on for someone who wants to go out every now and again and doesn’t desire big speed or power. Thanks for the review

[@shawnsleds6011]

Great news for the sport. Can't wait to see new people on the mountain on the Summit Neo.

[@serviceonehvac7123]

I’ve had sleds for me and my wife for a long time, it’s always been a lot to swallow forking over the cash for modern 800 class machines and now that I have a child I’ve been starting to pay attention to entry level and youth sled prices, I’m glad to see ski doo stepping up to the plate with something like this, it seems like a great sled for kids transitioning to bigger machines and the retail customer hat just wants a sled without having to take a mortgage out to buy one.

[@ponycarfan]

You didn't compare this to a Blast or Venom. On the surface it appears that Ski Doo has them beat on price, but I believe the comparison would be closer than many people realize (seems like Venom -vs- Neo+ is a more fair comparison). I think you're right about what these are aimed at. I've been concerned for a long time that snowmobile manufacturers were focusing solely on existing and experienced riders, a market that was shrinking. The Neo, Venom and Blast create a new segment where growth is likely to come from, and I hope it continues.

[@LiamG903]

Glad to see they have learned from the spark. As much as high-end model are amazing they need more focus on value. A good 120hp sled with the basics you need for 12k. This is a great start, 10k should be a pretty sweet point for them

[@pajamatime5750]

Out of all the “entry level” attempts from the manufacturers including the blast, evo and neo I have to say Ski-doo did it the best. It’s not shrunk. It’s not fan cooled. Its not stripped down with no tech. It’s budget minded but still provides the buyer with everything you need to have fun on the trails! I’m a Polaris guy but have to give it to Ski-doo here - Great work on this line of sleds! Also, once again, a great walk around review by one of the legends of the snowmobiling industry! Have a good weekend gents!

[@thatalaskaguy]

Fan cooled is far better for new riders that putt along at slow speed. Liquid sleds overheat when going slow in low or frozen snow conditions.

[@adamj3579]

@@thatalaskaguy with these smaller motors I don’t think that is much of a issue. Sure it’s gonna be warmer but my grandpa had a fan cooled 440 and fan stopped spinning and he didn’t know and it started on fire. Liquid is much more reliable in my opinion

[@thatalaskaguy]

@@adamj3579 I suspect your grandpa had a fan motor that used a belt driven fan. If the belt breaks the fan quits turning and you lose the cooling system. The Polaris Fuji built fan motors have a fan that is directly driven off the crank, it always spins while the engine is running, nothing to fail. Liquid cooled engines can never be as reliable because they have more moving parts, rely on water tight systems to prevent the coolant from leaking out and stupidly, have to cool by loose snow being thrown against a tunnel mounted heat exchanger. That system simply doesn’t work at low speed on low, hard packed snow conditions, on hard frozen snow or on bare ice. A fan cooled motor will happily motor along in those conditions unaffected.

[@adamj3579]

@@thatalaskaguy never had a issue with liquid cooled systems unless I did something that was obviously wrong

[@thatalaskaguy]

@@adamj3579 just last week my buddy on his Assault couldn’t ride down the hard packed frozen trail without running super hot even with scratchers. Pretty useless snowmachine when it can only be ridden in certain types of snow conditions. I’ve owned and still own many different types of sleds both liquid and fan cooled and for slow speed, worry free riding nothing beats a fan sled. All this can be alleviated if OEM’s would used radiators with a fan like everything else in the world but they don’t.

[@SPCRacing1]

Great review! Exactly what the industry needed.

[@plymcousa3002]

We absolutely need a teen sled comparison. Evo, blast and neo+! Pretty please... I’m forty but makes me so excited for younger riders. Even if the family can’t afford one it gives the kids dreams during the summer.

[@energypowersports563]

Thanks for the review Mark! This model is great to bring people back in this exciting sport. Well done!

[@nestibo7166]

just got one how do you take of the governor

[@danlafrinier473]

Can't wait for the Neo+, Evo and Blast comparison video...

[@GaryBrooks-p3p]

It should come with carbides and windshield a standard equipment not optional

[@Kevin-gn8cz]

Great video. Looks like a great sled as a second machine to get friends to join the fun.

[@DavidWilliams-ol3vp]

That is a real good looking sled

[@mudpuppy318]

I'm a Polaris mechanic and would definitely get one of these!

[@canamdennis6829]

I love when you do videos you are number one in the business thank you 😊 so much from Roseneath Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 ❤

[@nickkraze]

Perfect starter sled for my 5 foot 100 pound girlfriend who is brand new to the sport! amazing price and awesome features for the price! Thanks for the overview!

[@snowtrax]

Right on!

[@ericbunkers8147]

Thanks Mark, great job! Hope to see you at Haydays!

[@markbutler6090]

Great information as always Mark! How would you compare this to the sport 600 EFI? Thanks!

[@jaydee659]

The Sport has 85-90hp, 15” wide track, standard skid and standard 42” front end.

[@toddcoon6734]

This is a market segment that badly needs to be addressed. 50hp and 50mph is enough for most trail riding in the woods. You;re not running on lakes. You've got trees and family members to be considered. Excellent as a second sled. Don't get me wrong - I like the Blizzard models - but this sled reminds me of the old Olympiques of the 1970s. The one thing that Ski-Doo needs to offer is a recoil start option as a backup. All the other brands do this. Coiling a rope around a clutch primary isn't going to do it. Otherwise, offer a jump starter as an accessory option with clear instructions on how to use it, preferably a plug in on the dash if necessary. I am interested in hearing the rationale for no recoil start on these sleds.

[@matthewcarlson2752]

I'm sure the main reason is weight and cost.

[@RobRodriguezAxisCAD]

You can add a recoil for $129. I agree it should be standard. BRP has become VERY well versed in nickel and diming their customers to death with things that should be standard.

[@toddcoon6734]

@@RobRodriguezAxisCAD I would gladly pay the $129 to have the recoil installed. I'd want a confirmation from the dealer first before buying the sled. I have been unable to find a recoil starter currently listed as an accessory install, but maybe it is out there. I know they were offered as an option a few years ago.

[@RobRodriguezAxisCAD]

@@toddcoon6734 I purchased an MXZ600 Sport last season. The dealer installed the recoil accessory. It's just an assembly that contains the recoil, cord and cover(very simple). It was $129 installed. To access the recoil you have to open the right side side panel, there is no cut out in the plastic panel for it. Since the MXZ 600 Sport is a gen4 sled with the detuned 600, same as the NEO+ I assume the recoil can be added to it as well. I ordered a NEO+ and will be adding studs (really wish it was offered with a pre-studded track), recoil, heated shield plug (again should be standard), mid windshield (should be standard), carbides (should be standard) and maybe a swaybar. If the swaybar accessory fits on the NEO sleds (not sure the a-arms have the mount)?

[@toddcoon6734]

@@RobRodriguezAxisCAD Rob - this is very helpful information to have given I am considering placing an order for a NEO + by end of month. Will be engaging with dealer this week. I agree carbides should be standard. I think the NEO + has an upgrade package that offers a mid-windshield.

[@johnrafferty5266]

Great explanation Mark and walk around . This would work great for a guy like me looking for a sled to do trail work with.

[@markplummer9862]

Very thorough nuts and bolts. Loved the specs / price information. Good audio and video. Very well done.

[@snowtrax]

Much appreciated!

[@RobRodriguezAxisCAD]

Thanks for the review. This will be perfect for one of my younger kid. My only complaints.......really wish they kept the 42" ski stance.....the windshield is a joke and no carbides. For the intended riders of this sled a mid windshield and carbides should be standard........from a safety perspective. Definitely a home run on BRP's part.

[@Fishnfreak]

I have one ordered!!

[@superzuki5831]

I like it, I think they'll sell good. Nice dependable trail sled .

[@goshdarnitman]

Economy and excellence! Great cheap priced ride for decent value and simplicity!

[@mcalhoun87]

I love that’s it’s fuel injected! Can’t believe the Polaris model still has carbs. Not sure which is better though, liquid or fan for this market. I think of low speed no snow overheats or did BRP address that with larger or more coolers than normal? Also - any other rider ergo’s different? Are the handlebars smaller and narrower for smaller riders? Is the sled lower for lighter riders? Would like to learn more on why this is better than a sport model for an entry level younger, lighter or smaller rider.

[@toddbunnett640]

How will that handle a 250 lb rider? Lots of adjustments in the torsion springs?

[@holdenbreau7187]

Go bigger. I cannot see it doing so well with 250 passenger. It will need HD springs for sure

[@larrybabiskyswitchbox.110.]

Enticer, safari, jag,indy,like those sleds ,these new ski-doo's will last forever , right LESTER'S !

[@randygt9027]

Great Video./ Review. As thorough a review as I've ever seen. Awesome sled.

[@mikem9953]

Great review. Thank you.

[@chrism4351]

Great idea on ski doo's part. I still don't get the 600 cc 2 stroke though. Why not put 600 ACE motors in them and eliminate a motor from their lineup. Could be de-tuned if they wanted. This is basically what they did with the spark. Given the volume they are building of the ace motors (in multiple vehicle platforms) you wouldn't think it would cost much more to build one of them vs having a separate engine. Great review though. Very well put together.

[@thegodfreyspecial423]

That 600 EFI engine easily costs a fraction to produce compared to the 600 ACE and they are doing what they have done with the spark - this engine now has 3 variations of power. Still not clear if the version in this sled can be turned up to full-jam 85hp or not in the same way the Spark 900 ACE can be turned up with a simple flash. There is huge economy in these two strokes and they are light.

[@SPCRacing1]

4-strokes are notably more expensive to produce and ridiculously heavy. Why add cost and weight to a sled such as this?

[@holdenbreau7187]

Two stroke have way more pop for the money and weight compared to a 4 stroke. I have 1200 renegade and 600 etec renegade and 2 stroke is so light under the seat it is noticeable only dow side is the oil and longevity

[@t.scooter9565]

My 115 pound five foot tall wife has grabbed the front bumper and repositioned her NeoPlus at gas stations. She couldnt do that with my Ace MXZ Sport.

[@glenmallory9982]

Wow I’m interested in this. I’m older and not interested in a hot sled. This thing reminds me of what Arctic Cat did in the 1970s with the Jag 3000 . A good sled for trail riding, not racing. Simple and roomy and easy to maintain. They sold thousands. Go to any vintage swap meet you’ll find ten sitting around. I trained my kids on one that I restored for the purpose. I’ve held off buying new because 12000 is too much. This is very interesting. 65mph is fast enough where I live. The 600 motor is so detuned and destressed it should last a decade.

[@TyeGTI]

Sold out quick at the dealer near me.

[@markcomisky7106]

Skidoo should bring back the elan ss

[@JorgeGonzalez-be9vh]

Hi Mark, can you do a video on a 2023 Ski Doo, Renegade ACE , four stroke. I ordered a 2024, and I assume it will be like the 2023. Thanks

[@snowtrax]

Will see what we have on hand at the start of next season!

[@powderhound033]

I love all your in-depth reviews on the sleds we’re still dying to see the riot 9000

[@ItDanks]

Will you guys be able to do a review of the 2023 Indy/switchback sp now having the 650?

[@hairyyeti21]

great video

[@Green_stax]

Awesome looking sled. I’d love one. But I highly disagree with the used snow mobile market. If anything, out of any powersports used market, snowmobiles are by far the best and reasonable market. At least in my area. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@derekfitka1457]

What windshield??

[@TheVonMatrices]

If the problem is that used sleds are so expensive because they are in short supply, why do you think this one will be more affordable in the current market? Just like with all other models, there will be more demand than supply and sellers will charge well above MSRP.

[@salami99]

affordibitly drives the market now. I wonder when the full electric models will come??

[@russhfan]

It's a modern old TnT bravo

[@88chad44]

what is the top speed for the 55 hp

[@snowtrax]

Stay tuned and we'll lake run them once things freeze up...

[@88chad44]

@@snowtrax thank you also would love to see review on 180hp ace turbo vs the 150 ace turbo

[@dirigoelectric]

My only complaint with this machine is I couldn’t get one.

[@gtileo]

Is the front A arms the same A arm from the back country? Did they dip into their parts bucket to build this sled to reduce manufacturing and engineering costs? Is that why they can keep the price down so low?

[@tabhr-dnwt6957]

They still missed the mark here.. big time actually. what's missing in the market is ya a platform that would be considerably smaller than this (purpose designed chassis tho) dead between a full size and the 200cc kid toy. 400/500cc 5-7k price point and wait for it.. "clam shell hood" with customization options like LinQ seats bins racks etc.. "Blast" is the closest thing but I feel its to pricy performance oriented and sizeable dimensionally speaking. Gotta think (simple family machine) like the old Indy 340's & Grand touring 500's

[@snowtrax]

Sales of this sled would indicate Ski-Doo did it right...

[@leaddog3132]

They should have called it an olympic.

[@leaddog3132]

weld some triangular files on the bottom .good to go .when they wear out weld some more on

[@edwardbughiuc100]

8k in canada,9 if you want the windshield

[@johnjg88]

Can you get a tall windshield for it? Looking for something to get the wife into riding.

[@BigStuism]

55 up on a 600? Is that wrong? I thought 600 s were like 120 ish?

[@GaryBrooks-p3p]

What no windshield

[@yorkchris10]

I see a lot of student surveyors around the city and they use the same equipment whether it's college or McGill. The city guys have some stuff that looks like they need batteries.

[@thatalaskaguy]

The missing center shock in this sled is a swing and a miss. But, this is what the Blast should have been priced at. It Cat had any brains they’d install a 570 fan or the Yamaha 540 fan in the Blast to significantly lower the price. Unfortunately Cat is determined to go out of business so they won’t do anything to lower the price of the Blast. Does this 600 uses the same junk show, isoflex greased crank bearings that the old series 3 600 had? I’ll take a Fuji made 550 fan any day over that craptacular engine design. Also, why are you bagging on fan cooled sleds? They don’t overheat in low snow, hard frozen snow conditions like liquid cooled sleds do. Most new riders and kinds don’t ride super fast on trails or around the yard to throw enough snow onto the heat exchanger. They also don’t know enough to realize when the sled is getting hot. Unless a liquid cooled sled comes with a radiator and fan it will overheat in the conditions I described.

[@notapplicable6688]

isoflex wasn't the greatest idea but the only issue with it is lack of maintenance on the owner end. if rebuilding a series 3 you can always have the cases drilled out and new lines ran so they are oiled. or just grease your bearings every few years.

[@thatalaskaguy]

@@notapplicable6688 you are kidding right? Greasing your crank bearings isn’t standard maintenance. It was a terrible design they did for emissions. I’ve not read anything that showed where any shop was successful in drilling out oil passages to feed the bearings with oil.

[@mikeh4053]

@@thatalaskaguy agree. Not standard. Isoflex motors are junk.

[@leerjet18]

As of 2018 I think, no more isoflex greased crank bearings. They are all now oiled with the injector oil like all other sleds.

[@thatalaskaguy]

@@leerjet18 that’d be really good news!

[@michaelgmcauliffe]

its a detuned 600 efi..get your facts straight !! not a 600 sdi

[@scottabott2631]

I'd WAY rather have this than a full size sled.

[@snowtrax]

Fair enough. Still feel like there's a market for this thing.

[@dunnkruger8825]

Sounds like he knows what he’s talking about

[@roberefarms7146]

i think most missed the point of this machine its new sled for used money . and great way to get people in to the sport and or kids/extra sled . i think this will be a hit. people need to understand the price point in these markets is huge ,

[@snowtrax]

Absolutely.

[@tackdriverCA]

That tunnel is definitely shorter

[@scottmcteer4846]

Compare it to the Indy evo

[@snowtrax]

Tell us what you'd want to know in a comparison of these two sleds.

[@danlafrinier473]

Compare all 3 in a head to head. Evo, Blast and Neo, ride, speed, value. You guys are great at what you do, you pick the content for the comparison and I'll happily watch.

[@scottmcteer4846]

@@snowtrax speed power trail handling prices head to head racing

[@GaryBrooks-p3p]

No carbides on the skis add no windshield

[@LiamG903]

It's abosulety insane they copied the evo name. I'm glad you pointed that out, brp is known advocate of the round earth theory. Lol jk

[@jamiefife5386]

Makes me excited for my wife to get her's

[@DavidWilliams-ol3vp]

For the buck this sled is thebetter buy and thats coming from a Yamaha owner

[@stevenharvey1723]

i bought a new 600 carb $6400 in 2014 for my 13yr old daughter. 423lbs and around 110hp. controls located on the bars. Even adults could enjoy it. Wake up BRP. The Neo is gonna be a flop for 9k built to please the EPA and do gooders that cry about age restrictions for kids on sleds.

[@snowtrax]

Fair enough. Don't think it'll be a flop though.

[@RydinginStyle72]

I think most people will just buy a used 600. Makes 120 horsepower unless it's for their kid and then that is a lot of money for a kids sled

[@snowtrax]

It's not a bad plan. These however, are selling like crazy.

[@j.r.jonsson3624]

Only university graduates? Oh….so you only want people that can read from a book, don’t know which end of a hammer to use and can’t think for themselves?

[@snowtrax]

Easy, champ. He was clearly being sarcastic.

[@LiamG903]

That one, according to my university physics degree, went right over your head sir

[@mikeh4053]

Have to understand that snowtrax tv talks like they are some preteen being smart with their mother, and they only double down on being right!

[@LiamG903]

@@mikeh4053 lmaoo, jesus did one of them steal your sled this year. Dang dude you salty over a harmless joke

[@mikeh4053]

@@LiamG903 i dont care, just stating the obvious.

[@darrellroeters4951]

Low hp for a 600, I could go faster on a older 340cc.

[@stschryer]

Too much $

[@RydinginStyle72]

9 that has got to be the weakest 600 2-stroke I have ever seen so ridiculous

[@mikeh4053]

Well if im a kid, i want the fun one. The fun one is the blast. Zr or m. Full suspension. It isnt shrunk? Are we building a youth sled or adult sled? Hell i wish i could get the shrunk sled and still have the big motor. Spark is a fully capable machine which gave up nothing but top speed. One shock skid? No way. 40hp or 55hp? No way. That full size sled gets full size weight. Hard pass.

[@oldwrench4213]

Your not a kid. Parents buy these type of sleds. It is a perfect match for the youth. At 40hp and a top speed around 50-55mph, the kids will have fun and not get into a situation that can be hazardous to others. They will grow into the sled naturally and fun learning about snowmobiling. Ski Doo hit the marks with this model.

[@mikeh4053]

@@oldwrench4213 kid=kid sled=not full size sled. Thanks for making my point.

[@oldwrench4213]

@@mikeh4053 no point made. Try looking at the market it is targeted for. Youth and entry level riders. Not everyone wants a 20k rocket or 200hp. The cost meets most people's budget and interest level. Fun on the low side. 50mph is about the limit for 90 percent of most riders. They aren't looking to be king of the lake. That belongs to the idiot group.

[@mikeh4053]

@@oldwrench4213 already know. Lets take away rear skid performance for novice. Sorry, they need it most. Stripped down full size sled. Nothing to see here.

[@mikeh4053]

@@oldwrench4213 are you some skidoo homer?