So I Played Season of Discovery…

[@CondorWoW]

I am so unironically excited for this, people are allergic to change but classic era isnt going anywhere

[@jerryemert3251]

If it does I'll cry

[@Guzutv]

Im very excited to see where this will go as well!

[@rustledjimmes]

Okay retail cheerleader

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

why do u live life being so mad ? let ppl be happy if u dont like just play era geez@@rustledjimmes

[@rustledjimmes]

@@kaicrodrigues2578 Why do you have to support new blizz ruining everything they touch. Clearly never experienced the golden age of wow

[@Firs333]

They basicaly got some from of Assencion (runes), some from Chromie Craft ( Low lvl cap progression from 20+) and planning to go Turtle Wow route now

[@Syrnix]

As someone who never played any private server, it really feels like we're speaking a different language.

[@L9Pavel]

Yea but with less content

[@L9Pavel]

And theyll make it way worse , since its blizzard

[@josephteller9715]

So basically Steal Steal Steal and Bluff... not surprised...

[@peterman8848]

​@L9Pavel but we will play it cause the community will be there

[@MadSaco1]

Savix Joins the stream. Looks like all you guys are having a blast. Kinda excited about this Discovery season

[@etou1146]

35:11 So nice of Blizzard, that they invited Mordiell as well. Guzu and her are such a sweet couple ❤

[@diode_wow]

Esfand got a few new buttons for pally and he turned into a fury warrior on pulls just for that sweet sweet dps.

[@pringlebread4913]

I was already going to be playing this, but after watching this I'm quite excited for this. This looks so absurd, fun, and crazy. I want to do all of the things and the staggered level caps is going to make that much more viable.

[@basmong]

Damn, now I don't know which class to choose at all. It seems everyone got such cool new abilities. Very cool changes in the game.

[@RuinedItAgain]

Tank Warlock sounds pretty sick, pally tanks will be broken without changes. I'm curious what will emerge as the pvp king

[@Sticky1254]

That's the best part! We're all going in mostly blind, so just play whatever sounds cool and metas will develop organically.

[@Staaxx]

a flat 15-25% health buff to all enemies shouldnt cause any super crazy issues mechanically and should fix that issue imo @Gimil38

[@Guzutv]

Yea! I hope the leveling still feels good though as well!

[@diode_wow]

The level caps are time gated, you can try everything!

[@viatka1966]

This feels like I'm a kid again, learning about this cool new WoW game everyone is talking about. All this stuff is fresh and exciting, nobody knows shit about their classes or bosses, everyone will pick and experiment with things just for the sake of it, learning boss mechanics on the go, amazing

[@odyseeone]

10:50 Massive missed opportunity there! Was a perfect time to "Alright times up let's do this LEEROY"...

[@evilakurei]

I appreciate you pushing it to get us a look at most of the runes. I'm pretty excited to play.

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

Im hyped to try it out but tbh it doesnt look good to me currently. I wanted turtle classic plus and they basically gave us ascension classic plus

[@zCrabs]

I keep coming back to these raid videos. I can't even begin to tell you how excited I am for this. Just a wonky fun mess. I can't wait.

[@johnwayne9984]

There will 100% be a Rune or something in the "Bengal Tiger" Cave in Strangle, and in the Dragon Cave in Silithus :D

[@mikkeljensen9488]

Can you get to the dragon cave in Silithus without going out of bounds? Surely there won't be anything in the bengal tiger cave since you have to do some shenanigans to get there

[@Guzutv]

That’d be sick!

[@NG.4769]

My only real worry about the SOD system is that it doesn't seem to FEEL like vanilla, at least from the early look. I wish they would have just added the new abilities through trainers, or even just allow you to learn the abilities through class quests. Having this "engraving" system doesn't make much sense, since all of our other abilities are trainable. Why do we only have these few new abilities that are engravings? It feels weird. I also wish they wouldn't alter existing content, such as BFD. I wish they had added a separate BFD raid, the entrance could be at the end of the same tunnel as the existing BFD. The best philosophy, in my opinion, would be to ADD vanilla flavored content... Don't CHANGE existing content - when you change the existing content, it becomes a different product entirely.

[@ryder8646]

but it really makes you FEEL like batman

[@NG.4769]

@@ryder8646 do you feel like Batman?

[@TwinTurboOnly]

Lol. It literally is classic. With added features. Quit crying

[@NG.4769]

@@TwinTurboOnly TBC onwards is just classic with added features by that logic. What's your point? We play classic because we want CLASSIC. use your noggin bud.

[@wyatt5542]

just what classic players wanted, retail abilities, how friggin lazy can blizzard be.

[@rossikc]

"Can we get a run down of what to expect with this boss?" Not at all. LOL

[@drentrumenbzh7719]

Ok my honest review; Is that what we need ? A gameplay reworked, mixed with last extensions? Instead of getting real RvR , open PvP, villages, realistic npc economy, trade charriots? If i want to change gameplay i would rather play another game. Bless

[@Mostlyanxious]

Why does he act like all these runes are something hella new that he’s never seen before? When it’s literally tbc/wotlk talents/glyphs

[@106adamm]

Because he's just a content leach who really knows very little about the game

[@Dadbod2019]

I like it! The feel of classic with a bit of a refreshing touch. Cant wait to see some of the other instances they spoke of

[@markj.a351]

I hope they turn some outdoor areas into elite zones to compensate for the increase in player power. For example, the troll areas in STV, Defias of Moonbrooke and pirate cove in Tanaris. They need to keep the incentive to group for outdoor content or it's going to kill a big part of classic. To start, turning areas where people typically group up now into elite areas would be good.

[@zweigei.1327]

ye looks like it gets even easier which is a pity tbh 😔

[@FREEkdaman]

in an interview they said they plan on increasing damage of mobs in the open world but hey also talked about blasting threw mobs so I think once you get rolling things will be a little easy but probably not right away

[@ahordiestory3378]

Any knockback spells in SOD? I always pick a class with those. So much fun in world pvp!

[@itskhro]

I find it so funny that viritually everyone knows about or has played ascension before. Speaks volumes about that monsters creativity.

[@Forty2de]

One thing that I really want them to add is just a game-wide buff to all mobs that increase their health by 10% and their damage by 5%. Even a conservative buff like that would do wonders to help preserve the feel of Classic in face of increased player power, but a bigger buff would probably be better.

[@KrisKringle06]

I used to play a good bit of that server, i am pretty excited to try this out

[@turnss]

this is incredible, cant wait, hopefully they trim down how many abilities you get to a small extent later

[@biggussdickuss6123]

They wont....

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

This kind of stuff is what would get me interested in playing Classic. Pretty cool!

[@dimitarshopov4227]

There is a private server called TurtleWow that have basically created Clasic+ by subtly changing some talents and giving some classes 2-3 extra abilities so that all specs have their uses. It still feels like vanilla wow but with small changes that are enough to make specs like shadow priest or balance druid viable. There are also new dungeons and items that are unique but still not OP enough to imbalance the game. This Season of Discovery feels like Blizzard took vanilla and gave all classes retail abilities. It looks like 2 layers of 2 different games stacked on each other. Hopefuly it lasts but it looks to me it's going to be a short-lived project.

[@AsbjornV]

Tror du det her er vores classic + ? Eller bare et hygge wow spil ?.

[@kirsty_yamaha]

sabre slash ripped straight from warhammer online 😭

[@kiddi93]

Rogue tank might be pretty nutty, their mitigation is heavy on parry giving them more parry haste, pair that with WF, SnD, sword spec and blade flurry.

[@RoAoG]

maybe im crazy but this is just retail with a lvl 25 classic wow coat of paint, the class uniformity has been a staple with retail since Cata

[@asdasdasdasdadasd29]

the worst thing is listening to 10 streamers on Discord, everyone of them want to talk always

[@SL4PSH0CK]

Hybrid class could make parties complicated in contrast to designated class that performs best due to min-maxing. it does offer a dynamic and in-depth gameplay variety and gives importance to individuality. seems(?) beneficial for small parties or solo? im excited, we're literally relearning WOW and how our team synergize.

[@flamart9703]

I'm excited to see the whole server running around Azeroth like headless chickens, trying to find their precious rune.

[@jasonderp5933]

I was sceptic about what they were going to do but this actually seems really interesting

[@김도형-o2e]

I guess they went a little too far for my taste in here, but more importantly I'm more than happy to see the devs are actually listening to the community. Can't wait until the end of the month!

[@JP-fx4ki]

The seasons are giving the devs and chance to see what works and what doesn't for players. Give feedback if you want to be heard!

[@MrWoWgaming]

cant please everyone if you dont like it dont play it

[@MrMiagi401]

For someone being in that community for 20years, i can tell you: EVERYTIME blizzard listens to the audience, they fuck up the game more. Gaming-Communities, literally every online Community is dumb af, because persons who would never open their mouth in an open classroom, scream around like a gorilla is chasing them through the jungle. The community can only think one step ahead also, never someone thought about how this changes actually would effect the gameplay, they just want them. M+ came out, because people wanted more difficulty. Same for more classspells, people wanted more balance between classes for duells? People wanted portals and flying everywhere to get more travelcomfort. Now we have a game too difficult for 90% of the playerbase ( on 2,6k rio first season shadowlands i searched multiple hours to collect a grp of 5, because nearly nobody out of 10k people had the skill/mechanics/knowledge to join). Also more complicated classes, very hard to master even a normal rotation. And that in a world that feels more like fortnite than the classic WoW. All because of our so beloved community.

[@MrMiagi401]

@@MrWoWgaming People dont want to play the game, they want to fulfill their life through that game. Did you ever think about how people can aoe grind with a mage multiple hours a day or run around a whole day in a video game doing nothing but farming materials? they do it for progress, not to have fun. Those people are addicted and depressed, and not even a perfect game can change that. They need therapy not better content.

[@florianxx718]

@@MrMiagi401 That isn‘t true. I‘ve got a fulfilling and good paying job, a great relationship and over all a great life - at least from my point of view and still wow (classic) gives me something, other games dont. It‘s the nostalgic community driven slow grindy gameplay which I loved in the mid 2000s as a teen. At least for me its the top tier mmorpg exp out there and a great addition to my life. And yes, that also means a taking a few days off on release dates on full gaming mode. Its like a spa day (which I also love btw). Nothing bad about that.

[@emikochan13]

rogue/shaman/pally tank and mage healer is fine but increasing the mobility and adding more instants is very dangerous for the feel of classic. I hope they discover this through the season. Also no exp boosts, that is how devs forget that the whole game needs to be fun, not just the max level.

[@anttihakkarainen1520]

I just hope they'll improve pets on hunters too, for example make spiders, snakes etc also viable and a bit different from say cats or bats :)

[@tonystanley8186]

I'd love to see it too but I'm not optimistic. Maybe there will be some pet love eventually but it would be way down on their priority list.

[@Toastedpogy]

Does tjboom stream or the other Druid?

[@kurt2rsenjazz]

Just when I got hooked on Ascension, Blizzard pulls this move lol

[@tigeryumyums9407]

I can see there being a rune hidden in the elite ogre cave in STV

[@SuperBladezz]

Ngl this may be a bit overboard compared to what they needed to do but regardless it looks fucking incredible and I’m insanely excited

[@jerryemert3251]

It's not what I would have picked and I don't like the lvl caps but it does look interesting. I'm definitely going to check it out.

[@mikkeljensen9488]

@@jerryemert3251 For me, the level caps is what excites me the most. I didn't get in the classic beta, but seeing streamers running around as lvl 30s looked incredibly fun. Also, unlike SoM i don't have to sink 5 days into a character to experience the new content.

[@chc2650]

Its new stuff, and proves that Classic isnt dead so im happy. I personally probably wont play because its too spastic for me, I like comfy vanilla WoW.

[@jbshbsskskhbs6713]

This is gonna translate into getting one shot a lot in pvp if they don't address the huge increase in damage while health bars remain the same.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

i just read up on the various runes they're gonna introduce with SoD. needless to say they are absolutely _SHAFTING_ horde as a faction by _LITERALLY_ taking all of shamans most class defining and most useful buffs and _LITERALLY_ giving a better version of those buffs to alliance. so prepare for some pure insanity: *Wild Strikes* (Druid Rune): While you are in Cat Form, Bear Form, or Dire Bear Form, party members within 20 yards gain increased combat ferocity. Each melee hit has a 20% chance of granting the attacker an extra attack with 20% additional Attack power. No effect if the party member is already benefitting from Windfury Totem. - Literally Windfury totem in _aura format_ aka a better version of windfury totem. *Horn of Lordaeron* (Paladin Rune): The Paladin blows the Horn of Lordaeron, which increases total Strength and Agility of all party members within 30 yards by 17. Lasts 2 min. Exclusive with Blessing of Might. - Literally Strength and Agility totem _COMBINED_ and in _buff format akin to Battle Shout_ that lasts 2 minutes. *Inspiration Exemplar* (Paladin Rune): Your inspiring presence periodically dispels Fear and Sleep effects on nearby party members. - Literally tremor totem in aura format *Rebuke* (Paladin Rune): Interrupts spellcasting and prevents any spell in that school from being cast for 2 sec. - So essentially earth shock for paladin. and what does horde get in return? FUCK ALL, that's what. i knew they would fuck this up. like oh my fucking god, incompetence doesn't even begin to describe this utter heresy. oh, and judging from what i see in this gameplay footage, they managed to break the windfury animation (AGAIN) as well. wonderful.

[@josephteller9715]

Looks like they added a lot of later expansion stuff as runes...

[@armbsecure]

Yeah it looks more like the shitty expansions than a true classic + ...

[@Brat2513]

If you dont like it stay on era / hardcore

[@armbsecure]

Thanks never thought I could do that without you @@Brat2513

[@chris-yv7hp]

It is a great take on how to do classic +, easy on the developers and the players… add a system.. and raids.. GJ…

[@beeshot_]

idc what any doomer says i am so excited for this like it really is classic+ when you really look at it

[@animalm4st3r]

esp towards the later levels were they said, they want to use content that went unused, like the Karazhan crypts

[@Jvit17]

Looks like ascension and some retail into classic

[@beeshot_]

yep @@animalm4st3r

[@beeshot_]

i cant lie on the Ascension part and they have kinda made some retail abiltiies into classic abilities but they seem different enough and i think its gonna be fun@@Jvit17

[@Jdrichardson35christ]

Just cause they didn't call it plus... it's the game with new content it is what we called +

[@notreallybro8508]

I keep wondering: With all the crazy stuff they planned and done with WoW classic, i wonder if they'll release a HARDCORE season of discovery type of thing.

[@tilttiwow]

Idk, i kinda have mixed fealings about it. It's great that we are getting something new to classic era, but is it good when you get so many new things from newer expansions. Overall i think SOD might be something for few months, time will tell is it fun or not.

[@RicksonGM]

the level cap is getting increased every few weeks so it should last much longer than you think

[@xxMurmaiderxx]

Master Channeler is not like retail mend pet, it's like a second Siphon Life

[@joshring9710]

I wonder how druids wild strikes will work with a shaman on horde? 👀

[@ermogh]

If they keep gear from dungeons and quests the same as classic, gearing warlock and rogue tanks will be interesting at level 60 when it eventually gets there

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

20:06 the dark rune shade 🤣

[@Bigtater113]

I liked the idea of classic+, but this is too much.

[@Pitchguest]

This should be an option on retail, too. I might actually try this, though. Looks fun.

[@markj.a351]

It is an option in retail. This is just a talent tree presented differently.

[@efebuyuk6956]

Mage healing looks like palpatine shooting sith lightning lmao

[@manbearcow]

This whole thing is perfect. This give blizzard the flexibility to play around with changes in a short lifespan environment.

[@zdeity3620]

ROGUE TANK LETS FUCKING GO. I always said they should have a tank spec, like small fast guy vs big slow guy thing. A tank spec based around insane parry/dodge. This shit is gonna be perfect

[@jgtheman84]

But its take away from class identity.... why play a warrior then?

[@IAmDaedem]

@@jgtheman84 this is the dumbest thing I've seen. Warriors still have all of their tank related talents and CDs that make them strong tanks. Do you think the existence of Feral Druids or Paladin tanks in Classic invalidated the strength of warriors??? Like have you even taken a moment to properly think through what you're saying? Because it *REALLY* doesn't look like it.

[@theperfectbeing]

This is going to be fun but the meta is quickly going to degerate into 5 man caster cleave for dungeons. Lock tank, lock/mage dps and mage healer who can also aoe very well. If they don't tone down arcane mage healing, people will just run 3 arcane mages because you can have 3 sheeps plus full damage that heals for free.

[@blackestmamba]

Looks awesome, can't wait to actually play my favorite class in this game, druid, and not feel bad about it

[@haldossry2332]

It’s overwhelming cuz everything is thrown at u at once but when u lvl later and get ur runes one by one it’s gonna be clear SOD hype

[@BeenieWTF]

season of retail, gg

[@d0llerp]

I played Ascension thank you. Gonna go back to Turtle 🤘

[@John-w8p]

They went full retail. Never go full retail. As soon as they said there will be catch up mechanics they lost me.

[@jgtheman84]

Exactly all this reminds me of is retail I don't know what people are so excited about it looks lame.

[@XerxezsX]

Why call it classic though? This is so misleading from Microsoft, the developers thinking is that they'll trick them with the 240p jagged graphics from 2004 but add retail abilities and systems 😂 Rogue tanks, shaman tanks, hunter melee, mage healers, lock tanks😂

[@Brat2513]

How is Microsoft to blame lol

[@XerxezsX]

@@Brat2513 they barely bought the company and they're already misleading the customer 👌

[@lucascampbell8521]

Looks like they overgeared people for this raid. Guzu has Triprunner Dungarees from Gnomergan. So I doubt trash will die as fast as it did during Blizzcon

[@Eckshale]

The runes will really juice you up, which is fine for a seasonal server. But it's way to permissible to be anything but a temporary server gimmick. Glyphs 2.0, slap a rune on and learn an ability. That's a goofy implementation. Some of this stuff is way out there. SoD gonna be a wild ride for sure.

[@blakeriley761]

“No beta and no ptr” next day streamer is playing it already lmao

[@Brat2513]

Its a 3boss blizzcon demo

[@herodinslam1671]

I think its fun to see these changes but i also find it really funny seeing the classic boys freak out over alot of these spells that are baseline in retail:p Some new and interesting ones like the mage healing though! Like the thoughts they have put into this even though alot of it has similarities to the certain... server, Will for sure try it out though!

[@Pimfii]

Yea, as a rogue retail player this is so funny.

[@rustledjimmes]

Classic+ more like Retail-

[@Lexith03]

Damn it, haha. WHile this was soooo cool, the one class I wanted to see the runes for was the hunter because I need mele hunter in my classic life.

[@wopaolon7478]

Not liking this is not being a doomer, everyone had different expectations for classic+. This is clearly not my cup of tea, but I salute the devs for trying things out.

[@danielandor7838]

Was I the only one, who expected them to finish and release the abandoned content from vanilla? That azshara battleground and all that stuff people have been datamining for forever? Looks interesting tho

[@blckkeef]

Project ascension worldforge enchant and mystic enchant system = season of discovery rune system even guzu knows

[@Redarmagedon]

It was funny that he wanted to say that but he can't cuz of the Dev xD

[@_stefan7589]

Literally nothing alike lmao. Ascension is a randomised, classless project. These abilities are both spec and class specific - very limited choice in reality, and thematic. How some people can't see this I do not know.

[@Redarmagedon]

@@_stefan7589 Yea i dont know, i mean - it looks familiar with Ascension, thats a Point but its not Ascension 0.5 or Ascension 2.0 - Mcdoubles did a Video about it and i must say, he is right, Season of Discovery isnt like Ascension or something else - Turtle WoW could be a Indicator for this, but im not sure

[@voidomable]

They took the most soulless route of expanding on Classic. It literally doesn't make sense to flood the game with abilities in vanilla.

[@TheConnoiseurofTheArtofSnort]

Yes it does because most classes in vanilla are dull and underpowered

[@ohgeezrick2019]

@@TheConnoiseurofTheArtofSnort No because that’s how you make the game more retail-esque which is not what your classic player base wants.

[@RunicTitan]

I disagree. If you think about it; only 1 rune can be on 1 armor piece at a time. I think the pieces that can get it are leggings, chest, gloves and feet; so 4 slots? So that means +4 spells for your playstyle IF all the runes are spells and not passives. And some of them even outright replace existing class spells. I like it. Though maybe they should cut down on future abilities and instead add more passives or spell/ability-altering options. Also, are we sure that all the runes they showed are meant to all be unlockable by level 25? If not, maybe some of them are meant for higher levels and was unlocked to just show the changes more. I'm curious if the runes have a level requirement, or can a warlock level 2 enter metamorphosis? I feel there's still a lot we do not really know unless I missed it. Some people dislike that locks and mages can go non-dps roles now, but I honestly believe it's actually a good thing. It makes the whole "LF1M Tank/Healer" shit go faster, and people might genuinely want to heal and tank because it's new. I'm hyped as hell. I just wish they'd also add a couple of new quests in each zone, perhaps spice up professions a little bit too. Got lots of ideas, and hey; they seem to be willing to hear our suggestions.

[@janah6473]

@@ohgeezrick2019Classic players simultanously want no changes and changes. Ever since 2019. At this point just try out shit and see what sticks. People will complain NO MATTER WHAT.

[@eply995]

Bro u get like 3 abilities at max. Perhaps later it could be 5 when all equippment slots that can be engraved are unlocked. These is no bloat, as a matter of fact, most classes will finaly have a playstyle and rotation they lacked in vanilla. Imo it is so much better than base vanilla classes.

[@oddthemute6172]

Lots of changes but still has the spirit of vanilla. I am so fucking hyped for this holy shit.

[@sumasaum]

Should limit rune sockets to two...classic shouldn't have too many more buttons.

[@0suplex0]

Im so stoked for this

[@oldwowenjoyer]

Played this on ascension season ago. Was fun

[@njt121]

Wonder how that Drain life warlock rune is going to work with SM Ruin builds

[@njt121]

Just saw the shadowbolt volley, Nightfall is going to slap

[@ChanceBunn]

They're straight up killing it! They've brought in what a private server was doing half a decade ago! Innovation CANNOT die at Blixzard.

[@Brickwinds]

This is much more tastefully done than private servers.

[@ChanceBunn]

@Brickwinds I love how this is already your opinion before we even get it released. You're killing it out here, man. Never hesitate to share your VERY calculated and respected opinion! ❤️

[@Brickwinds]

@@ChanceBunn Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit... They've already shown what the runes are going to be. It's not like we are going to have entire classes blended together like private servers. There's plenty of evidence to show it's already more tasteful and less exaggerated.

[@santiagobuenos9673]

“A private server” which private server? Certainly not ascension since it’s quite different than this. You can’t possibly mean ascension, right???

[@Brickwinds]

@@santiagobuenos9673 Why is everyone here such a sarcastic douchebag? Of course the original commenter was implying Ascension, that's what every single streamer has compared it to so far. I'm not though. Ascension's whole gimmick is that it is CLASSLESS WoW, and this is very obviously not classless WoW... Although the rune enchant system has some similarities, it's not like we are going to have melee frost mages and treeform dps..

[@thomasjohnson8033]

Ending up quitting Wrath, and seeing this, i'm having doubts and might try it, so interesting!

[@ffarkasm]

WTF is that tauren doing at 48:06 ??

[@roberteltze4850]

The warlock was slacking, he should have buffed the party with unending breath.

[@rhyme6707]

Not even with the changes ret paladin stops being useless lmao

[@Brat2513]

Ret paladin is good dmg

[@shoemaker924]

as long as its balanced properly and not turning the game into easy mod i'm okaay with it

[@gibble7863]

It's always been easy mode

[@theperfectbeing]

@@gibble7863 Yeah but not in the same way as retail. In classic the world is dangerous enough that you have to be careful with your pulls while leveling, in later versions of the game you just steam roll everything without any concern. The fact that the world is so non threatening in retail makes their huge well designed zones completely boring after the first time through.

[@_stefan7589]

@@theperfectbeing Maybe but the raids are a joke compared to retail...

[@markj.a351]

It's not going to be balanced. They said they want to make everyone OP in the presentation. This is a good point imo. A fun part of classic is having broken specs. As for difficulty, the world will become easy mode with this. I doubt they will but I hope they make more elite outdoor areas to compensate. Like the troll areas in STV and Defias in Moonbrooke for example. Removing the incentive to group up for outdoor content is just bad for classic.

[@ZiggyJr]

Project Ascention anyone?? Hahahah Blizz completely ripped this off

[@flogas8463]

do we know when official servers release?

[@Redarmagedon]

End of November this Year

[@WuMethodMan93]

30 November

[@wungfu12]

chaos bolt: no allows ALL fire spells to pierce through absorptions... interesting..

[@Swordzo]

29:00 Hunter Weapon RAAAAAAAA

[@Sticky1254]

I'm hoping they buff the shit out of the bosses at release though, we can't just have people figuring it out during pull and one shot it all lol.

[@downpp2255]

Why did they not just add TBC talent-tree into classic and you get talentpoints from lvl 1. And then just keep focus on more content.

[@Doesidos]

that sounds good mate

[@santiagobuenos9673]

That’s good but I like this better

[@Brat2513]

Im a huge fan of that we habe seen so far. It can still trun out bad ofc but i have hope

[@Octrox]

They just can't help innovating. THEY HAVE THE GOLDEN FORMULA. Vanilla WoW works. It's fun. Filling the gaps of what was originally intended is interesting (paladin tank, shammy tank) and making different specs more viable such as balance druid and enhancement shaman. But 120+ new abilities into a game that needs very careful tinkering? What were they thinking? Did the original WoW classic team approve of this? This is similar to how people reacted to the dungeon finder. It's new and exciting, but there is one big problem. They are making everything easier, without needing to. These change will provide such a boost to DPS and healing, it's crazy. What about threat generation, I guess that's changing too. Jesus Blizzard. I admire you wanting to show off, but nobody asked for all of this. Some of it is great, but it's simply too much. I say it again - VANILLA WOW WORKS! Add new content, utilize unused zones and lore. These changes will cut wipe percentages in half, which is not a good thing. Why make BFD a raid, and not just improve boss mechanics and maybe loot? As with any dungeon, there is something magical about venturing into a dungeon as a small group of five, oddly balanced in terms of gear and specialization. Maybe a suboptimal druid tank, maybe a tanking retri paladin, maybe 3 hunters. Now every dungeon run will so close to an optimal group, without changing other dungeons difficulty, that it becomes too easy. Too convenient. The treasure at the end will be a guaranteed reward! How can you not see this as developers. Your classic community has been telling you forever. Remember #nochanges? I guess not. I might be rambling, but I fear that this already is the beginning of the end if they do not reverse or at least nerf these changes by 50-75% in terms of bonus dmg, atk speed, heal done etc.

[@janah6473]

People want classic+ with #nochanges, when this is literally a paradox.

[@Octrox]

@@janah6473 It does sound like that, yes. What I mean is no changes to what makes vanilla...vanilla. What a lot of people are hoping for is an extension, not a complete overhaul.

[@theperfectbeing]

@@janah6473 Nah that's not quite accurate, people wanted new content from unfinished parts of classic and some buffs to weak specs to make them more viable. Some of the changes they are adding make classes blatantly OP. Demo warlock tanks with be virtually invincible in pvp with self heal runes. As feral tank who had full BiS for all of classic , I can't imagine doing the raids again with crit immunity, 20% damage reduction to all damage, lacerate and mangle, also a charge interrupt for pvp and damage reduction as resto flag runner spec will make you impossible to deal with while carrying flags. Add in things like Beacon of light which isn't supposed to exist with 100% mana return on crit heals because it would allow a single pally to solo heal both tanks effortlessly. Downranking with new abilities will be completely busted. The challenges to leveling will be different as well, especially for the warrior class because they solved rage issues and gave them victory rush.

[@cocidoner]

Do people even wipe at vanilla?

[@guapogoku4254]

They almost had to turn parental controls on you at the end

[@Noah-dp1ul]

I like what I see so far but I also hope they possibly alter professions in a similar way like DF did. If they make professions fun, then I’d no life this game easy!

[@sem6149]

This (enchantment to apply to gear that is a new skill or ability) is literally a mechanic of Project Ascension WoW (private server) but super early on and only locked to a specific class (where the current version of Ascension is classless allowing you to take points/talents from all classes). I find it amazing its such a blatant rip off lol

[@IMyz3390-q6h]

to be fair its their game, so they can steal shit aswell no?

[@mattakiss5572]

Yeah it’s just everyone is sucking blizz cock saying this is classic plus. For perspective turtle wow is creating new dungeons, raids, zones within vanilla wow using custom assets.

[@MrVexateSnow]

It is very blatant, but I'm not against them taking a good system and implementing themselves. Also sidenote: a recent ascension update untied the mystic enchants from gear. It now looks much more like an expanded glyph system. And it's extremely cool :D

[@johnmadden6521]

I wonder if project ascension is ripping anything off of WoW…

[@RunicTitan]

No offense but it's really stupid saying they are copying ascension, as if they haven't copied anyone themselves. It's not the same either, sure you could argue it's inspired by it; but you can't expect developers to be able to not copy anyone even if they aren't trying to. It's a system a 13yr old could think off, literally enchanting but with spells :p I really don't think they meant to copy it at all. It's such an easy thing to come up with imo. I'm almost certain that the Ascension system was also copying bits and bobs from other games.

[@bludclone]

all the knockbacks and silly swirlies all over the screen just reminds me of retail.

[@asdf12369]

Eh, was disappointed before watching the classic+ segment, then was excited, but looking at these abilities now -- disappointed again... The abilities break the vanilla feel themselves, and the 'rune' implementation is a shitty mechanism to do it as well. All of these things should be baked into the talent system; introducing an entirely new game system is needless bloat, and part of the issues retail became plagued with.

[@ryanmcclelland7041]

ASCENSION WOW BASICALLY BOYS

[@JaraxinK]

The ‘Main Gauche’ rune being a rogue’s lava lash is really funny when you consider that ‘Main’ is french for ‘hand’ and ‘Gauche’ is french for ‘left’ The ability that is an off-hand attack is literally called ‘Left Hand’

[@vKingLouie]

It all sounds cool and what not, but I think it’s just gonna be alot of chaos and not the classic+ we truly wanted