So I watched Netflix's Bebop...

[@ZakEmber]

I live and work in Hollywood. Nothing gets under my skin as quickly as meeting writers who *think* they are smarter or more talented than the authors of the work they are trying to adapt. Their arrogance is unbelievable, and with only a few exceptions, completely unwarranted. Most of the time, it's painfully obvious they didn't understand the original or why it worked; even worse, they criticize the original based on their current political beliefs and actually have the hubris to believe they're making it "better" by changing it to fit their ideals.

[@richardadamson1438]

I love this. Adaptation's can work, but you have to respect the work.

[@skully2860]

this sums about everything i dont like about America as well.

[@ZakEmber]

@@skully2860 I love a lot of the American ideals and Dream, but lately, a lot of what America is getting wrong is tied to a really bad ideology that is diametrically opposed to what America is supposed to be about.

[@richardadamson1438]

@@ZakEmber Very Very True, and I live in America.

[@richardadamson1438]

@@skully2860 I can agree with you and I live in America, so yeah.

[@dubiousspacehamster3833]

The fact that this implies they didn't want to give Faye medical debt because that seems to be related to the "we don't want to make a dystopian future" thing is hilarious to me. It's not like crippling medical debt isn't an incredibly common problem right now. 😆

[@KaregoAt]

Yeah they really sanitized any social criticism the original had.

[@QuartzIsAnOxide]

Maybe they were British lmao

[@crooked9210]

For real it's not even a dystopian future, it's a dystopian present

[@duecevenue8525]

We live in a dystopia future

[@SimGunther]

Dialogue in the Netflix series suffers from Whedon Syndrome where complex babbling is followed by a short quip that deflates any drama because that apparently is the only way the script can offer any comedy

[@nemowindsor8724]

Whedon usually didn’t rely on 13 year old boy swear words and edgy sexist derogatory terms :/

[@markusbisma5015]

They wrote the Blackmail joke in the dialogue.."Your are black and male". One of the worst joke ever. WTF

[@ExeErdna]

@@markusbisma5015 That's a outright XXX movie quote. You just don't do that

[@eypandabear7483]

It worked in Buffy because the show was about adolescents facing what were at times very grim circumstances. Note also that Giles, Angel, and the other adult characters did not talk like that.

[@jaywingate187]

I find it very weird that Outlaw Star, one of Bebops contemporaries, inspired/was ripped off by Firefly, and now a remake of Bebop feels like it's trying to rip off Firefly...

[@Mr2squids]

Vicious' portrayl was the straw that broke the camel's back for me: I made it to episode 3 before I dropped it because of how insufferable Vicious was. He's supposed to be Anton Chigurh (from No Country for Old Men)... instead he's Skeletor from the original He--Man cartoon.

[@tylerjames805]

I saw him as Kylo Ren with a katana but that is so fucking accurate it hurts.

[@rodylermglez]

I audibly laughed when Arkada said that Netflix Vicious is like that bad Sephirot cosplayer at a con XD

[@martincastaneda8574]

I was soo shocked when he didn't pull out and put on a top hat and start singing a musical.

[@leorojas6390]

"It's time to blow this scene, get everybody's stuff together, ok 3 2 1 LET'S RANT."

[@rockmovieswithtyler1989]

I fucking love you for this dude😂🤣

[@tailedgates9]

My mind automatically inserted the goddamn sax. XD

[@D.O.I.N.K]

Dada da da da da, daaaaa...... ahh F it, nevermind....

[@Youkai_Andres]

Jajajaj! LPM! buena esa :D

[@Haitch_Kay]

Netflix Gren is borderline offensive to me. It's an extreme sanitization of a very compelling, tragic character with a very messy problem. He's forced to live in a body he doesn't feel comfortable with and doesn't even know if he can consider himself a man anymore because of it. It's a situation that, while the causes might be different, is very *real*. Feeling like you don't belong in your own body is something that resonates with a lot of people. It's sad, it's tragic, it's so wonderfully well done. And Netflix threw it in the fucking trash. It reeks of "corporate writers who want to say they have LGBT rep without taking too many risks". To quote RedLetterMedia, it's Passive Progressive.

[@Crimzs]

I have thought about a lot of the changes made in the Netflix version, and it is riddled with politically motivated alterations. All of a sudden it's not bad luck that is screwing over characters, it's corporations/government. Faye sexual orientation and backstory are changed for no reason? Gren's original backstory is problematic and must be changed. Vicious turns from cold murderer to raging insecure teenager who just happens to have a shitty overbearing father (HMM wonder why they keep saying he isn't a man throughout the entire show). Julia goes from a mysterious idealized character to an abused woman who overcomes her abuser. Jet who was seemingly a good mechanic and fixes the ships multiple times, now just hires Mel to introduce another competent woman in the show and romantic interest for Faye. Of course, Annie needs to become more of a main character now and is a Mother figure for characters in the show. Where did laughing bull go, maybe they could have just consulted some Native Americans instead of deleting the character? Obviously, it's ok to write these themes into a show. But, why are you trying to shove these themes into a show that didn't have these ideas in mind? All it does is detract from the original ideas and core stories in the show. Why name it cowboy bebop if you wanted to write your own story? Of course, it became a big deal because they slapped the Cowboy Bebop name on the show and I think that's why many people are upset. I don't think all the changes are bad from a storytelling perspective, but it's not Cowboy Bebop.

[@badfoody]

yeah, Gren was dumb here in the show.

[@cinematorrento]

Complex? The real reason that Gren have boobs in the anime is for shock value. LOL

[@Wveth]

@@cinematorrento I know you're mainly just trying to annoy people, but there are easier ways to announce to the universe that Cowboy Bebop went over your head. Lol

[@cinematorrento]

@@Wveth No, that's is my genuine thought when i saw the show 20 years ago, and that's was my thought last week rewatching that episode. Stop pretending this show is inmaculate, there are great substories in the show, Gren's story is not one of them. LOL.

[@Hey-Its-Dingo]

My brother watched Netflix Bebop, and he liked it as he went, saying "Yeah, it's sillier and not quite as strong, but it's an alright watch." And then he told me he got to the twist with Julia, opening with "I've realized that I fucking HATE this show!" And I think that says all it needs to. Lmao

[@Kapoompahpeempahpoompah]

This is exactly how I felt. The ending was like someone took a big shit on my face, it sucked so bad.

[@thelink6756]

It's because even in its own universe.. it's incredibly dumb lol.

[@BrandonHeat243]

Both Julia and Vicious are truly terrible adaptations. They are vastly different then their original versions and, worse then that, then are pretty crappy characters even looking at them objectively.

[@saucy_white_fluid_of_ecstacy]

They ruined a perfect scene by replacing it with a girl-power twist smh

[@Hey-Its-Dingo]

@@saucy_white_fluid_of_ecstacy It's not even "girl power" nobody is inspired by this choice. Lol

[@joekaz5198]

The thing that makes me laugh the most is that Faye in the anime is this deep and tragic character who's also really clever, but the writers of the adaptation were so hung up on her outfit, they made her this loud, stupid, rude, shallow imbecile and called it an update.

[@etienne8110]

They took out the vulgar outfit but put on the vulgar persona she didn't have in the original material.

[@shadowtheimpure]

"We don't want this world to be a dystopian future." Hate to break it to ya, but the world of Bebop IS a dystopian future. Always has been.

[@Midsomnyx]

It really messes with the entire purpose of that universe. You understand why these people take up a dangerous job of hunting criminals, and why these criminals do such horrible things. Without the gritty noir you basically have a gang of quirky thrillseekers. It's like having Batman but his parents are still alive.

[@JLF-cn1rr]

Earth is nigh uninhabitable thanks to an FTL experiment that destroyed the moon, Mars seems to be run by a criminal syndicate, bounty hunting is a growing career field for increasingly desperate and listless wanderers, and one of the lead characters whole motivation is paying off her bugfuck massive hospital bill thanks to her coma. HOW DID THE CREATORS NOT REALIZE COWBOY BEBOP WAS INHERENTLY DYSTOPIC?! Also, Whedonisms can die in a fire.

[@whodatninja439]

yeah if i remember correctly a mass disaster happened in space hurling meteors to earth. But that would mean they couldnt just film in someone's backyard and use a yellow piss filter.

[@whodatninja439]

@@JLF-cn1rr Cowboy Bebop has such cool lore and backstory. But nah, let's just forget all that. It's just generic sci fi now.

[@bansho7076]

Was it the creators of the original or the netflix adaptation who said that? Arkada was a bit unclear.

[@jackofblades82]

Jet having a daughter in this adaptation did bother me, the writers missed the whole point of his character being a loner and due to his commitment to the Police force he even ruined his relationship with his girlfriend Alisa. Him having a daughter completely changes the nature of his character since in the Anime the Bebop crew was the only family he had.

[@franciscotorres3947]

I think the actor portrayed Jet pretty good but the daughter thing bother me too.

[@TheMasterReflect]

Yes, this changed the character but it didnt make me dislike him, actually Jet was the best acting in my opinion.

[@MalakxFuarie]

It was more then just that, it was the accessive cussing that he did and the fact that serveral times Spike had to talk him into not being hot headed when Jet was always the most rational of the crew and they just ruined alot of his character.

[@greentokyo]

Jet having a daughter didn't bother me one bit. Actually it made his character different from the rest of the Bebop characters because he wasn't just another loner who had nothing to lose. This actually gave him a more distinct character and made him more memorable to me because truth be told, I barely remembered him at all from when I watched the show when it first came out lol.

[@xemnasxiii3992]

I feel like they tried to portray his overprotective attitude differently in the original his girlfriend leaves him for that reason specifically he was overbearing and wouldn't let her fail by her own words she didn't feel like she was living she felt like a puppet following a play and as long as she was playing along nothing bad could happen In the Netflix, they translated that to being a father i guess ? That and the fact that he's really all about getting the crew along to work together as a team but make him very obsessed with his daughter and trying to be there at all times to the point he'd neglect Spike... That was a bit weird tbh

[@LittleCthulhuOne]

I think the most positive thing this has brought is that my father who never wanted to watch animations finally gave a shoot to see the original when i told him it was way better. And now i see for the first time in my life him loving an anime and binging it. Bebop for me was always the one anime you can recommend people who dont like animated series to watch as a gate way, but now even more people will give it a shoot and fall in love at episode 1.

[@CC-nt4zi]

This is it. This is why live action anime exists. It has broader appeal, and can introduce that broader audience to anime.

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@CC-nt4zi I mean generally speaking yes, but this is more like watching someone slap a Ferrari emblem on a cardboard box with wheels and then saying to yourself "holy shit, if it wasn't for the Ferrari emblem I would not have been able to tell you what this was trying to be!" and then going to see an actual Ferrari car show. A good live action adaptation brings the general atmosphere and character flavors from the anime but changes some of the more "aggressive/dark" tones to fit the appeal of a wider audience. This was not that, this was a complete bastardization that looks like a high budget version of a high school recreation.

[@eddiedead2702]

Dude, same. I've been trying to get my dad to watch bebop for literal decades...and he didn't watch it until I started shit talking netbop flixboy

[@sarafontanini7051]

Here's the thing about the annie change: Annie was a symbol of the old days and how much has changed over the years since Spike ran. She's as unglamorous and modest as possible, showing that the old days are gone, as well as show how she differs from Spike and Viscious because while she remembers those days fondly she has moved on and is no longer trapped by that past. BUT SURE TOSS ALL THAT OUT THE WINDOW AND MAKE HER A SEXY CLUB OWNER BECAUSE WHY NOT NOT LIKE THAT GOES AGAINST THE ENTIRE TONE

[@BelovedCaptain]

"If you're an existing fan of Cowboy Bebop the anime, you're probably not gonna like this Netflix version." Color me surprised.

[@ronburrelljr7077]

Exactly

[@13thGeek]

Sorry to disappoint. Cowboy Bebop is a yearly rewatch for me and always finding something new to love every time. It’s the Big Lebowski of anime. But I like the Netflix version too. I don’t fault it for trivial changes or not trying to make a statement with dystopian overtones. Vicious’ character is overacted by a factor of 10 and just fundamentally wrong. The Julia twist is such a jarring departure that I initially rejected it but thought about it and concluded that it made sense.

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@13thGeek "I thought about it" sounds awfully like "I wanted it to be good so badly I made concession after concession"

[@13thGeek]

@@YuYuYuna_ well, if you are suggesting that seizing a position of influence and authority in the Syndicate is somehow worse than a life of being pursued until death, then we will just have to disagree. Was it established that Julia could just slide in front of Vicious as a proxy? More or less, yes. If Vicious can stage a coup by ending a single room full of people by himself then Julia can pose as an extension of Vicious to control the Syndicate while he gets any blame she might create. Was having Vicious take over the syndicate by murdering the Elders a good idea? Not how they did it here. It’s cliched to the point of being stale. If say Vicious were to kill them just because he was tired of them and wanted to focus on eliminating Spike because he’s a cold heartless psychopath, that would be better.

[@reso7675]

I wouldn't necessarily call myself a fan, having seen episodes here and there when it was on Adult Swim (but never actually watched the whole thing). I've known the show is very close to much of the English fanbase. I just decided to finally sit down and just watch the anime and the movie, so I can give this Netflix adaptation a fair shot. Just having a relatively fresh comparison of the anime in your head was enough for this adaptation to feel off for me. Felt very kitschy.

[@jiiaga5017]

Faye Valentine was an emotionally damaged, betrayed, desperate fish out of water who managed to - despite ALL OF THAT against her - still show personal strength and qualities of goodness despite all of that. And from what I've seen of the netflix Bebop - that's gone. There might be some superficial similarities, but the soul of the character is gone. And after seeing that, I don't want to see any more.

[@CyrussNP]

Yeah and it only gets worse as it goes on. There’s one or two episodes I genuinely liked (mostly centered on Jet) but everything else is a dumpster fire.

[@thebrutusmars]

The episode with Faye and her “mom” is not only the best Faye-centered and Faye-done-right episode in the Netflix version, but it’s also probably the best in the entire reboot. There’s a lot about Faye that they fucked up, but I think what we see of Faye in that episode is really good characterization of the new character. I’m not defending the reboot. It doesn’t hold a candle to the original, but I’m trying to focus on the more positive aspects in general. Felt the need to point that episode out.

[@kokosan09]

"Cowboy Bebop, but not dystopia" is so hilarious to me

[@potterinhe11]

So what's the point?

[@mrskwid1]

I never felt cowboy bebop was dystopian, it was just true to life.

[@wormspeaker]

@@mrskwid1 Because we already live in a dystopia, it's just a boring one.

[@bens5093]

It'd be like Final Fantasy but no fantasy

[@Moosemoose1]

Right? Cowboy Bebop was literally a noir anime - noir is dystopian by definition! The dark, gritty settings, the gangsters, shootouts, corrupt cops, femme fatales, coupled with devil-may-care, blithe, cool attitudes and flawed characters with mysterious pasts are all hallmarks of the noir style. You can't have Cowboy Bebop without dystopia!

[@Dradeeus]

By the way, Spike going to fight LeFou without a plan also spoke to his character, where he kind of accepts things and deals with them as they come. He's not particularly worried about one of his missions being his last- and may even be "searching" for his last mission.

[@akshaydalvi1534]

Now I'm imagining Spike watching Netflix Bop and saying "Eh..Whatever happens happens"🚬

[@crooked9210]

Spike even says he's not even really alive. He's a man who doesn't really care about his own fate. It's the whole point to his story, Netflix just doesn't care.

[@brianzimmerman4837]

I just can't stand what they did with each character's gun. Spike was an efficient person who sticks with the reliable, so he uses a Jericho. Jet's too much of a good cop to use a revolver over his P99. Faye's Glock 30 is practically the modern Femme Fatale's gun.

[@whodatninja439]

they each had carefully chosen guns by the original creators. even this detail the netflix show fucked up.

[@rebeccar685]

@@whodatninja439 They carefully fucked it up.

[@KaregoAt]

Spike's Jericho also reflects his supposed Jewish heritage.

[@crooked9210]

That was a huge point when they made the original show. They didn't want any character to use the same guns and each gun was carefully chosen.

[@crooked9210]

@@KaregoAt which makes it all the more confusing why they made him asian randomly

[@gotf]

Seeing how awfully they handled Vicious and Julia makes me glad they never made an American version of Monster, because they would not know how to handle Johan's character with any subtlety.

[@DarkNorthEmperor]

Oh boy, yes! We dodged a big one there.

[@BknMoonStudios]

To be fair, there was a rumor of a Monster TV series made by Guillermo del Toro, before that project banished. If someone can pull that adaptation off, it has to be Del Toro.

[@gotf]

@@BknMoonStudios He definitely is someone I’d trust the most with that material. But honestly I felt like CB should’ve been the easiest Anime to adapt. So if they could get CB so wrong I don’t have hope for any other Anime being adapted.

[@themutant2223]

@Jacob It really is, both the anime and manga are excellent. Urasawa's amazingly talented. (Now can Pluto's anime adaptation please come out of whatever rabbit hole it fell down in 2017????)

[@gotf]

@Jacob The anime is very good. Both sub and dub.

[@basbekjenl]

My mother messaged me yesterday praising the cowboy bebop and yeah it was half an hour before we realised we weren't talking about the same thing. She liked the liveaction and it hurt my heart because years ago I was showing her the anime and she didn't remember. All I can do is be happy she enjoyed it and cry online about how old productions have something special that new productions are missing. I wonder why people don't do things the old way.

[@jansettler4828]

Cut all contacts and disown her ;)

[@danielleholmberg270]

Because they're not trying to tell a story, they're setting a political narrative. That's what's wrong with modern media (it's even in a lot of books I read), there is no more stories. Everything has a political overtone. And it's not even subtle because they have no trust in the audience, they think we're stupid. It's all blatantly obvious and dumbed down and in everyyyything. I barely watch movies or shows anymore cuz there isn't any stories being told. It's gross and tired and ham-handed and insulting and offensive and just UGH!!!!

[@basbekjenl]

@@danielleholmberg270 This exactly, I used to go and look forward to go to the movies with the family it was the highlight of the month but now it is with no passion for the work they are producing but rather a passion for a narrative. I mean a bit of fanservice or a bit of suspention of disbelieve for the sake of violence or a fight is fine but these days it is 110% ero or violence with no point and it is like I'm watching a commercial instead of a movie or anime. I preffered the fewer but quality productions over these mass produced "entertainment" productions. Unfortunately the masses disagree and the masses voted for more.

[@DocMicrowave]

@@danielleholmberg270 Spot on!

[@gur262]

@@danielleholmberg270 buuuuuullshit. They fuckin nerfed the political if you didn't fuckin listen. Problem is they smooth down shit to appeal. Fuck. You just throw out this same shit Right?

[@PressStartToLaugh]

I am not a guy who takes offense to different adaptations (in fact my entire channel is based on doing new adaptations). I watched the whole thing mostly thinking "Yeah, okay. This isn't good, but eh... It's not offending me." Then the ending twist hit... Aaaand nope. That was the line.

[@LaddRusso91]

I didn't finish the show, just assumed it was the same as the anime. What did they change, is Spike not dead or what?

[@kiearawagner7901]

@@LaddRusso91 Yep. Spike isn't dead, Vicious isn't dead, Julia is now leading the Syndicate after being the one who shot Spike out the window, Fay left to discover more of her past due to a VERY convenient clue she got, oh and Jet kicked Spike off the Bebop for his past actions. There was also an Ed reveal at the very end.

[@whodatninja439]

i've never been more insulted by an adaptation than this remake.

[@LaddRusso91]

@@kiearawagner7901 so this would sort of be the equivalent of when Spike fell out the church window and was left fully bandaged up. Seems like they never learn that some characters are better left as a mystery. I'm guessing they making one more season then.

[@Nightraven26]

@@LaddRusso91 I somehow doubt the 2nd season will be greenlit

[@danielhounshell2526]

I don't necessarily mind that they made changes, what I do mind is that they did basically everything that they changed in a strictly less interesting way than the original.

[@boomguitarjared]

Goud wording. I've been trying to find the right way to express this idea in regards to this adaptation, so thaynks.

[@__shifty]

a femme fatale SHOULD be sexy.... that's the whole point. anyone who has a problem with faye because she's sexy has a problem with femme fatales in general.

[@CyrussNP]

EXACTLY!!!! I’ve been screaming this the entire time. The show runners have no fucking idea about ANYTHING regarding the anime.

[@rebeccar685]

Fatal women are scawwy

[@tk5800thesecond]

anime: the "family" aspect comes organically, and is made and accepted through small geastures made by the cast Live Action: "WE'RE A FAMILY NOW, WE SHOULD ALL GET ALONG" "HECK YEAH, LETS GO BOWLING, FAMILY TIME"

[@whodatninja439]

Reminds me of Mass Effect original trilogy vs Mass Effect Andromeda

[@YuYuYuna_]

Big surprise Netflix writers can't write nuance in any story because they lack the social understanding to peek their eyes into what might be the experiences of a person with a given personality in a specific setting.

[@Saintzel]

This is just a big guess but maybe it has to do how japanese/eastern cultures view the "family" dynamic vs how American/western cultures see it.

[@Saintzel]

@Michael Lochlann perhaps, but I've heard complaints about the shang chi (asian marvel show) that some of the relationships between family members felt western

[@langzhi1873]

@@Saintzel cowboy bebop actually is not supposed to represent Japanese/eastern family value, and it mainly did not. The show is very globally ambitious. It’s a vision produced by how a Japanese artist viewed the world and the it’s relationship with western culture. That’s why they all have English names and the characters in the show were very diverse

[@dearyvettetn4489]

The more you talked about the original Cowboy Bebop the more I just wanted to rewatch it. All things considered I think that’s time better spent. Thank you for your sacrifice.

[@themanwithsauce]

I can't believe they decided to "remake" the show.....They're BOUNTY HUNTERS. Have a show setup which starts with the cast in a bar, scuffed up from a bounty. They're nursing some wounds with a strong drink, and a dirty bar to hide in while the dust settles. They banter real quick about how close it was, but how they're still broke. While they're waiting, they pass the time telling stories about past bounties and incidents. And then you NEVER EVER repeat all the scenes from the anime. Come out with some new stories or maybe some scenes form the past we never knew before. You can even call this series something like "coins in a jukebox" or something like that to show it's an anthology and will wander a bit. You can test the waters with original works, and then maybe end it with the last episode or two being a remake of scenes from the anime to test the waters. There - it stands on its own from the writing front and avoids having to measure up to episodes in the anime directly unless you want it to. Then you see - if everyone loved the new stories but hated remaking the old ones then you just do that - write some new bounties and have a blast. Introduce some new characters. Maybe the crew get stranded on an asteroid for a few weeks and are trying to help someone down on their luck while they themselves hustle and scrap to get something to eat. But no, instead they did the weirdest remake where they "remade" the anime....by changing a lot of things to the point where you have to ask - why use the originals as the base? Why try to hit the same beats? I saw the first episode with friends and I got mad that in the opening episode, Asimov wasn't killed by Katerina and instead, Katerina was a rich girl who just "went with the bad boy" instead of being a slightly tragic story of a broke couple doing whatever they could to get up in the world. Hey....Katerina was done pretty dirty by the remake too. Going from a hustler in her own right, doing these deals to get to Mars because she wants off a dirty asteroid colony, to being written as just a dumb rich girl who gets taken advantage of by a big meany bad boy who is bad and its not her fault and she would've been better without him so hey girls watching Cowboy Bebop On Netflix (TM) - don't forget - nice boys are best! :D .....I am now convinced someone on the writing staff pined over a girl he never talked to and watched her get with a jock or something and he rewrote the first episode of Bebop into revenge fiction.

[@sakunaruful]

You make a good point, why wasn't the show called bounty hunters with original characters?

[@themanwithsauce]

@@sakunaruful it does feel like an original show that someone realized halfway through scripting that it was similar to cowboy bebop....and then a single finger on a whithered old monkey's paw locked in a chest curled ominously...

[@ToothlessSnakeable]

Write the show

[@woolver42]

That would have meant putting effort into it. These "remake" shows are just modern versions of Uwe Boll films. - Buy an old licence, slap some low effort show around it, maybe do some outrage marketing, ... profit, or not since Netflix seems to be more of an investor scam than a profitable business.

[@ladymunsonthemagnificent6929]

This sounds so good!!

[@iainmcdonalds4018]

I kind of have a problem with Faye sleeping with the mechanic. Not because it's 2 women (though that does seem weird if you were trying to keep her original character, but changes are not automatically bad), but because in the anime, although Faye was always outwardly sexy/teasing, she only ever used it for her immediate advantage and never actually gave any indication of wanting to have sex with someone. This makes a lot of sense given her backstory, she was hurt badly by someone she was greatly attracted to, and basically refuses to let anyone else get that close to her again (until character growth). The sexy but no sex thing was actually part of her character, and why I wish the netflix outfit was better. Not the same as the anime neccessarily, live action having different requirements, but what characters wear reflects their choices, and there was actually a lot of subtlety that the character outfits brought in the original. Note that a completely different character from the anime does not make it bad writing, that it does all on it's own.

[@thebrutusmars]

My issue with her sleeping with the mechanic is just her like suddenly opening up to this lady. Oversharing intimate thoughts and details is out of character even for how the reboot set her up.

[@crooked9210]

Original Faye would have never opened up to a complete stanger like that. She was a severely damaged person. She lost her memory and the one she loved as well as the hospital decided to take advantage of that and screw her over. She only uses her sexuality as a way of manipulating people, that's like the whole point. The only ones she ever really started opening up to and accepting were the bebop crew, which made the ending and spikes leaving so much more tragic. This new show will never be able to capture that.

[@Two-ToneMoonStone]

I could buy that Faye in the show was bi, I mean she grew up in a time where that likely wasn't a social issue anymore, but you're right on the money. My real issue with it was they made this big deal about changing the outfit because it was too revealing and then not only give Faye a sex scene but make her stick her hand in a literal jizz pocket for a laugh. They degraded Faye even worse than the outfit they were so upset about for a laugh.

[@AurickLeru]

The whole thing with Le Fou is that he develops psychic powers at the cost of regressing mentally back to being child-like. That bullet shield is his projecting a constant telekinetic field. The reason Spike uses a knife is that it's his only weapon left at that point, but it works because a sudden bright flash induces a PTSD flashback in Le Fou that breaks his concentration for a split second. The field drops, allowing the knife to get through and hit.

[@14s0cc3r14]

That’s convoluted as fuck

[@AurickLeru]

@@14s0cc3r14 My explanation may be convoluted, but the episode itself is rather straightforward. And I'm surprised Arkada completely mischaracterizes and misunderstands the episode. Calling him immortal and not understanding why bullets don't work against him? The way he moves and floats effortlessly suggests telekinetic abilities, so not a big stretch to deflecting bullets. And it plays into the climax with Spike. Since it's a mental ability, it turned off when Le Fou had that flashback and broke his concentration. Spike easily saw Le Fou's expression change and he reacted with throwing the knife, WHICH WAS THE LAST WEAPON HE HAD. Spike didn't just "figure it out," it was literally his last ditch attack. Yes, he was lucky, but he also had the skills and reflexes to exploit that split second window of Le Fou's weakness. And why is he after Spike? Does he need a reason? All the experimentation and tests have scarred him mentally and emotionally. Add to that his maturity being reduced to that of a child, and killing another person becomes more like pulling wings off flies, pulling legs off spiders, and burning ants with a magnifying lens. Spike just happened to cross his path while he was in the mood for killing.

[@michaeljohnson6905]

@@14s0cc3r14 it’s really less convoluted than you think, it’s all covered in exposition and subtext throughout the episode really well

[@yuvalgabay1023]

Or CB is secretly a dune prequel.dam dam dam!!!!

[@CyrussNP]

@@14s0cc3r14 it’s not at all convoluted. Are you easily confused or something?

[@AnimeKuroNeko]

My parents love this version. They even questioned me on the name of the show, as if I never watched or heard of it before. I grown every time they say it’s great, and I told them I’m not trying to take away their love of it, but to please give the anime version a chance to see why I’m not a fan.

[@vincentmartin9667]

You are a reviewer and an anime fan. You shouldn't have to be forced to like or dislike whatever. Thank for the fan tips.

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

Personally, I miss super nerd internet vitriol. Even just this brings back warm fuzzies.

[@vincentmartin9667]

@@Gaia_Gaistar Yeah it was mostly funny. Rants aren't of the same quality as they use to be.

[@mariokarter13]

>Adapts well loved property >Changes literally everything about it WhY dOeS nO oNe LiKe ThE nEtFlIx VeRsIoN?

[@vsf_dave811]

The fact that the writers thought that Gren was a character that could be completely changed, made into a basic stereotype “gay best friend yass queen”, and relegated to little more than a glorified extra, all while never touching the Jupiter Jazz plot line, tells me everything I need to know about how much they understood the original work and it’s most important moments.

[@rugan0723]

Watched the first episode, and bailed on it. Looked like they were retelling the anime and the Faye character killed it for me. Although, I will say I liked Spike (Cho) more than I thought I would with the actor being so much older and I thought Jet was great.

[@crooked9210]

Cho is the only one to my knowledge that actually watched the show. He loved it and you can see that in his performance, but the writers did him dirty. Jet's actor was great but the dialogue was awful and them making his character a racist stereotype out of nowhere was weird as hell

[@EatDIrt-fm3xn]

This really felt like the show runners are trying to interject their own story and agenda in the back of a legendary show that everybody loved. Too bad they didn't have the skills and the talent to make it good. They made choices that are down right horrendous

[@kristiemao4275]

100 percent this.

[@connorp8408]

That's what happens when you have creators who are only really inspired by other creators.

[@shogenx]

I felt like Mustafa and Cho did their best, but its the changes to the story, the poor writing choices, and Faye she just felt eh... i mean if you go into it expect DBE, NF death note or FMA youll come out the other side and feel pretty happy with what it is... but yeah it totally shits on the pacing and subtle bebop

[@PrincessAnime172]

Honestly I feel pretty bad for the actors, it’s not their fault for what the show is, as they did their best with what they were given. Again I wouldn’t want the adaptation to be frame by frame since we have the anime for that. Slight changes are fine as long as it remains true to the story and characters. The only real and good adaptations out there is Scott Pilgrim vs the World. It’s close to a video game adaptation that we got and closest to adaptation when it comes to source material. I feel like anime is the hardest genre to really adapt into real life just due to how the expressions of animated characters can be exaggerated for scenes. Look at the American Live Action Death Note. They tried mimick the style of when there’s tension in scenes however it became more corny. In the last 5 minutes of the movie we get a small glimpse of the anime character Light but it’s barely passable just due to how bad the movie was. The only thing that was good in that whole Movie was Willam Dafoe as Ryuk.

[@rrteppo]

@@PrincessAnime172 My dislike of the show came exclusively from Faye. It sounded like bad porn acting, lifeless and I knew there was going to be a sex scene at some point. Turned out I was right.

[@CyrussNP]

@@PrincessAnime172 I don’t feel like it should be all that hard to adapt for genuine fans of the series. The show runners of this one are obviously not fans. It seems like they didn’t even watch the anime, they just read a story synopsis.

[@CyrussNP]

The actors are great! That’s what makes this failure of a show hurt even worse!

[@PrincessAnime172]

@@CyrussNP if anyone wants to enjoy a good adaptation Scott Pilgrim is the best one out there cause it’s a perfect blend between the Video game and a Movie

[@MrInuhanyou123]

It took live action cowboy bebop to get arkada to ramble incoherently in rage after all these years. I totally get that feel

[@grimreaper4104]

Pierrot Le Fou was a random guy being used in scientific experiments to give him psychic powers; he goes on a killing spree taking out anyone who tortured him in the lab, he went after Spike because he witnessed him killing the guys outside the pool hall. The “shield” is psychic powers and the knife got through because he wasn’t paying enough attention, then you have the cats that he feared (because there was a cat in the lab while he was tortured) distracting him.

[@mr.personal-ity]

The shield was not Psychic powers, it was based off a sci-fi technology from the 1965 novel Dune by Frank Herbert. It's called the Holtzman shield.

[@CyrussNP]

The actor who plays Tongpu absolutely nailed the character. It’s a shame the writing, dialogue and story were all shit. I feel the same about all the actors too (except for Vicious).

[@kristiemao4275]

@@CyrussNP no Vicious was shit too. He was the absolute worst of all of them IMO. So corny and forced and not even a bit scary. No edge to him. Just yuck.

[@kristiemao4275]

The Pierrot Le Fou episode was one of the best (and scariest) in Cowboy Bebop (the anime) and they just totally trashed it in the series and made it about Vicious. This whole series was a big miss.

[@MorsecodeZ]

Friend: Fay is in e-1 'cause North Americans can't handle bringing in characters later. Me: WHERE'S ED THEN???

[@nancyjay790]

And then you see Netflix Ed and scream, "MY EYES!"

[@arianafox365]

Toph doesn’t even come into ATLA until season 2 and she’s definitely a main character. I think the real reason is the creators of this trash THOUGHT North Americans can’t handle bringing main characters later.

[@brendanb2982]

Gotta be at the very end to simulate the Marvel end credits experience.

[@ZaGorudan]

Do you really *want* this version of Ed, though?

[@CC-nt4zi]

@@arianafox365 looking down at your audience. When product managers and marketers make the calls

[@CorvoAttano369]

a 52 minute video about a netflix anime adaptation? This is gonna be good 🍿

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

I was willing to give the Netflix version a shot, but after what I've seen and read about it, yeah, I don't think so. Bebop is what got me interested in anime, my son raved about it. Now, Arcane looks interesting.

[@KomodoCondo]

15:00 you know something's in shambles if S1 rwby surpasses it lol

[@Dante4F8]

You can't pay respect if you have none. Creativity is dead, adaptation is the sickness and Netflix is the grave. The murderer stands tall with a blodied cleaver in hand and proudly proclaims: "I fixed it, what else is on the chopping block?"

[@whodatninja439]

one Piece and Avatar The Last Airbender 🤬

[@Dante4F8]

@@whodatninja439 LoTR joins the pile.

[@crooked9210]

@@whodatninja439 I don't even know why they would want to attempt One Piece. The best part of One Peice is Oda's art style and character designs. It's a fantastical world with fantastical characters and it's completely impossible to make that in live action

[@beepbeeplettuce5890]

Im 14 and this is deep

[@the_gratefulgamer]

I believe the *Passion* shined through in the first three seasons(the ones Monty Oum was apart of) of RWBY. Unlike this adaptation. So much so that the Animation didn't bother me whatsoever. And that's why I bought those seasons. *RIP to the Legend Monty Oum*

[@dylansmith5206]

That was actually suprising to hear him praising and giving Kudos to RWBY in this review. I was not expecting that at all (I'm at least happy to hear someone praising that series as opposed to just mercilessly shit all over it for once). Also. Unpopular opinion alert. Volume 4 wasn't even all that bad and I actually found myself enjoying it as opposed to flat out hating it.

[@the_gratefulgamer]

@@dylansmith5206 I bought all the seasons up to season 5. I just was caught off guard how they were trying to turn all the girls into lesbians. And how the shipping took over actually telling a decent story that tried to honor Monty's vision. They did to Rwby what all these tumblr pilled people are doing to American comics.

[@dylansmith5206]

@@the_gratefulgamer That's not helped by the fans who begged and pleaded for Rooster Teeth to make the character's lesbians and would not stop complaining about this person not being shipped with that person! Even forgetting that RWBY (Not much like MHA) is not about characters constantly flip flopping between relationships like your typical Shoju Manga Series! It was never meant to be "Shipping this person with that person" The series! And personally! There were only two relationships that were going to work and that felt natural- Nora and Ren And Jaune And Pyrrha! And this coming from a guy who barely even likes shipping! Although there's one Non Cannon Ship I really love that no one else cares about! And it's a pairing involving Yang and The Main Character Of Boku No Hero Academia, Izuku Midoriya (I just think there super cute together and there are fan stories/drawings that go over why a relationship between them would work out well)! And personally! I have not seen the latter Volumes of the series (Let alone sat through all of Volume 5). So I can't say I agree with you! But who knows! I might end up disagreeing with you! Since Alot of internet critics hate/loathe the early Volumes (As well as hate the show in genuine)! And I just can't agree with them! Since there's alot to love about RWBY and I can find alot of positives in it! Plus Other internet Critics like Saberspark, Mr. Enter (A Reviewer I love that everyone else hates), Phantom Strider, L.S Mark, ect..... already spent there KZbin careers showing me cartoons and all female lead shows with far worse Animation, characters, jokes, visuals, and plots! So I'm going to sit there and pretend RWBY is on the same level of shows like My Life Me, Puppy In My Pocket, High Guardian Spice, Teen Titans Go, Modern Family Guy, ect.... Or are multiple internet critics working under the belief of believing their own lies until the convince themselves they are telling the truth!! Feel free to either agree or disagree with me. Not much more needs to be said. God bless and have a good day!

[@2mccue4u27]

@@dylansmith5206 volume 4 was the last time i truly cared. I liked the slower pace, showing how the RNGR team was growing while Sun and Blake and Yang tried to move on. Then 5 happened. Season 5 was so contrived and bad...

[@stormoftara]

I really don't like Julia and Vicious. Them being mysterious was the point. It completely ruins the characters. And I'm so confused at Julia's heel turn. It doesn't make sense. They over explain everything but they don't explain that? No, cause they wanted a plot twist. So they couldn't over explain it so it would be a "surprise". Ugh. I don't know where the plot could go from here. I don't care either. I hope it doesn't get a second season and goes away forever and I develop a very pointed amnesia and forget I watched this

[@someonexd1961]

Though I didnt really like what the show did to julia, they were 100% right in giving her more screentime. The anime did julia dirty tbh

[@antonisauren8998]

How was it suprise, if she plotted with Mao in like episode 5?

[@tylerjames805]

@@someonexd1961 Both Julia and Vicious are representations of Spike’s past. Julia being the life he wants to live and Vicious being the life he can’t escape from. The main theme of the show is getting over the past and moving on. Spike tries to do that but he can’t.

[@franciscotorres3947]

@@tylerjames805 exactly.

[@crooked9210]

Western writers cannot understand the idea of nuance.

[@nicolasleroux5302]

I don’t watch 99% of animes, but I still watch your videos because I think you’re quite swell.

[@AMP_7]

His passion is honestly nice to see. Keeps us engaged. And he's fun haha

[@felitzitasmay6257]

That's cute

[@alpine1600s]

"Swell?" The 1950's called, they said the clam bake will be at 6:00 pm. 🤣👍

[@maineman5757]

Watching 99% of anime would be impossible for anyone. It's way too much for any one person to watch and still be able to sleep, eat and work.

[@deep7051]

1% of anime is still a lot actually but I get what you mean.

[@notspooky]

That's exactly my thoughts, You can change the story but dont change the characters. That's why i like the anime in the first place.

[@c.a.mcdivitt9722]

44:42 - correction, there is one person you could cast as Ed, though only with the aid of CGI - Andy Serkis.

[@megamcee]

voiced by none other than the man the myth the legend CHRIS PRATT!

[@eldritchmorgasm4018]

Ed motion-capture-played & voice-acted by Andy Serkis, with that specific voice, might be kinda fun 😅

[@laytonpro8655]

Funny thing when you were talking about yoko kanno and the music. In the original anime, they had kanno make the the soundtrack first, then when animating the animation flowed with the music, kinda like a music video, the jazz directly influenced the action. In this adaptation I feel like they made the scenes then in editing were like, ok which nostalgic song from the original fits here

[@thebrutusmars]

They 100% did not coordinate sound or music with each other or with the action well enough if at all when making this show

[@Drocksas]

"Rwby did it better" took me completely off guard. That was so good! Simultaneously a diss and a compliment to another, lower budget production. I almost literally choked at the unexpected laughter that somehow caught in my throat on that one. Well done! Edit: Grammar fix

[@gwanael34]

Tbh Monty Oum was an absolute god and would have become one of the greatest animated fights coordinator in history if he didn't die so soon.

[@Midsomnyx]

Legit one of my favorite animated character introductions of all time. Spike goes in knowing exactly what he's doing. Ruby had no idea what was going on and adapted at the drop of a hat.

[@bluemage5149]

Did rwby have a live action?

[@DocMicrowave]

@@bluemage5149 Thankfully, no.

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

Could you link to where he says that?

[@jocloud31]

My daughter, 10 years old, actually nailed Vicious. "Is that just older Draco Malfoy"? And as I'm writing this comment I just got the part where you mentioned the failed Sephiroth-Draco cosplay

[@yakamen]

You're daughter is a genius

[@jesusbarrera6916]

why did you let a kid watch this?

[@jocloud31]

@@jesusbarrera6916 She was walking through the room while I had it on.

[@stephensmith7327]

I saw a guy call him Geralt after being introduced to Crack and NFTs

[@1.21gigawatts2]

Anime and live action are completely different formats and they don't intertwine. In anime the voice acting is highly emoted and the facial expressions/body motions are exaggerated to fit the anime template. Mimicking these traits in live action like they did in Cowboy Bebop just comes off as cringey. I would say Ed is the prime example of this. The performance is pretty faithful to the anime but because it's live action, the actor no matter how talented can't achieve the same effect as animation which results in a super cringey and borderline uncomfortable performance.

[@fridayiscrazy]

Omg I couldn't agree more. I felt kinda bad for the actors cause you could tell they really tried. But the scenes and effects just seemed a little too try hard.

[@Kamera_Ninja]

2 words, speed racer.

[@icecream-soup]

Hit the nail right on the head.

[@icipher6730]

A lot of anime shows cannot be transferred into live action without completely losing the essence of the original work, because so much in those shows are directly tied to animation and directorial choices which can be pulled off only in animation medium. Imagine something like Bakemonogatari (yes, I realize that the anime itself is a light novel adaptation) adapted into a TV series with real actors and real cinematography work. It either would be the ultimate cringefest or something that is very loosely based on the anime. But Bebob is one of those which is relatively simple to adapt into live action format, because, actually, of how much it borrows from Western cinematic tropes. Yet they've fucked it up somehow. Smh.

[@zoozi214]

@@icipher6730 Even dubbing Bakemonogatari wouldn't work. It would lose too much of its charm. Imagine the Hachikuji Araragi gag in english lol, god no.

[@yeasyeas6926]

God it’s so nice to have someone precisely breakdown all of the problems in the live action that I couldn’t put into words

[@megamcee]

I watched og bebop for the first time this week, just to see it before the netflix version. Watched all of it in one day and fucking loved it. And I even watched the XX episode. Then I go and watch the netflix version. And right after hearing Faye say in the XX ep that she likes being a bit dirty and hate cleanliness, because that dirt is her history. That dirt reminds her that she has a story, while cleanliness destroys that all. And this fits fucking amazingly with her character (which is the point obviously). And so right after hearing that, I watch netflix Faye go on a fucking tirade about how she takes a fucking "shower+bath+shower and all with a loofa" to clean herself. And she pushes this so much that even Spike tries it. WHERE IS THE FUCKING DIRT?! Where is the "story" of her body? I feel like Netflix people just saw the scenes of Faye taking a few baths in the anime and thought to themselves "ohhh, she likes to bath! see how many times she has had a bath in the anime!? We gotta make her a clean freak!". ffs

[@R_411]

I think his take on Ed is pretty good. That would be an interesting take and Ed being a ghost in the machine is pretty close to a lot of the anime interactions. I thought they could do Ed if they toned the cartoonish aspects down but kept the quirky, weird ones. Also, don't cast an inexperienced actress to be Ed. Margo Robbie pulls off Harley Quinn and maintains the cartoonish character successfully but not every actress can do that, most can't. River Tam from Firefly was a character in a similar vein as Ed and, personally, i think Summer Glau nailed that portrayal. River isn't zany like Ed but she lives in a reality just outside our own but she wants to be included and she's a badass. To me that's Ed, sub hacking for fighting. Even in the anime the zany, wacky Ed is mostly an affectation and they show her serious or normal a lot, especially in her introductory episode and her interactions with MPU and later in some interactions with Faye.

[@filmfangirls9163]

Agreed!!

[@Raze_134]

"I'm here to watch Cowboy Bebop, why am I watching Antman?"

[@MWRJET]

Actually in the Pierro Le Fouxh episode, it is...loosely explained (through visuals) that the psychopath can block bullets (and any other projectiles) using some sort of psychic shielding. However, the traumatic memories he had of the experiments done on him are linked to visual memories of a cat that was always present in the lab where he was kept (the cat presumably belonged to one of the lab/military/corporate contactor leaders that was watching/supervising/observing him). It’s shown through visuals that this is also why Le Fouxh has a fear of cats (he literally goes crazy and loses focus when he sees or hears them). In the final showdown between him and Spike, a glint of light reflected off of Spike’s fake eye reminds Le Fouxh of the cat, whose eyes also had a particular glint. This causes him to become afraid for a second and lose focus, just as Spike throws the knife at him. He didn’t end up activating his psychic shield because of that loss of focus, and got the knife in the leg as a result.

[@milosvaradinac04]

Would love to hear your thoughts on Nerflix's Arcane.

[@Hey-Its-Dingo]

A WAY better show in general than Cowboy Bebop, adaptation or not.

[@VoluptuousMeatball]

@@Hey-Its-Dingo hold your horses, kid

[@ilikecookies230]

@@Hey-Its-Dingo it hurts to say that but…. It’s true…..kugh! *blood spurt from mouth*

[@Hey-Its-Dingo]

@@VoluptuousMeatball I should have specified that I was talking about Netflix Bebop, not the OG anime. Lol

[@VoluptuousMeatball]

@@Hey-Its-Dingo you confused me with that "adaptation or not" part

[@PaladinGuy]

Btw, the whole thing with bullets not working on Le Fou but a knife dose is a reference to the personal shields in Dune. "The slow blade pierces the shield."

[@barrybend7189]

Gundam and Dragonball fans: first time? GR ps if the characters are advertised as true to the source yet don't do anything the original versions would have done its called being written out of character aka Character assassination.

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

Meanwhile the Alita and Kenshin fans laugh.

[@CyrussNP]

Vicious and Julia’s character were brutally assassinated.

[@moxxibekk]

Mustafa and Cho did way better with the roles than I was expecting, and their chemistry with each other really helped sell it. Faye....ehhhhh that was clunky. Up until the twist My husband and I (who both have watched bebop many times since it first aired on cartoon network) thought it was a decent, if unnecessary adaptation. Also we both agreed doubling down on Jets family was super boring.

[@spikejoestar3374]

Mustafa was the race to properly potray Jet

[@gertywhatagash_]

Wait I thought it aired like on HBO first ( then on as) back in the day. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[@moxxibekk]

@@gertywhatagash_ I'm pretty sure it originally aired on adult swim in like 2001? If I remember it was a big deal since they got first right to air it in the US.

[@quintendevos7335]

There's a certain point when so much stuff has changed, it doesn't need the same title anymore. I believe this Netflix adaptation has reached that point.

[@diehard7517]

Pierrot le Fou's backstory wasn't a mystery in the anime, he was a part of some sort of experiment, and he wasn't tracking Spike, they just met by accident, le Fou was hunting down people who experimented on him.

[@Darkangl28]

Been watching your videos for years, and I have to say, I think this is one of the best, if not THE best episode of Glass Reflection ever. 52 minutes of epic analysis/rant. Loved it.

[@MrSergayfgtxd]

50:00 that's so spot on, while binging bebop I would sometimes just start losing focus while watching but the moments when the soundtrack and visuals were combined brought my focus completely and I just began vibing in the moment, my favorite part of the show was when Ed with Ein leave the crew into the sunset it just hits so hard!

[@masterzombie161]

I seriously could not believe just how bad it actually was. When they showed Vicious on the first episode I face palmed. When I saw Ed I got so upset I canceled my Netflix subscription.

[@theninjabird9510]

How are you gonna watch part 6 jojo?

[@vagamer522]

@@theninjabird9510 arrrrg

[@AMP_7]

@@theninjabird9510 "Ahoy !"

[@the_gratefulgamer]

@@theninjabird9510 🎶Yo ho yo ho🎶

[@theninjabird9510]

@@the_gratefulgamer 🏴‍☠️I seeeee

[@Aarzu]

Here's where I sit on live-action adaptations of anime: That is a medium that is, by its nature, extremely difficult to adapt. Anime often has a lot of concepts within the very premises of the properties, series, films, etc. that make animation the better means of bringing it to life. To give an example, let's talk about Dragon Ball and that...horrible thing that was made several years back. I know people who were genuinely excited and hopeful when Dragon Ball Evolution was announced. My reaction was more along the lines of "I don't know that they're going to be able to capture the fights and action as well as they need to." A property like Dragon Ball is so fantastic that the limitations of live-action are detrimental to the story-telling. I think Cowboy Bebop is another one of those properties. The story of Cowboy Bebop is not as fantastic as Dragon Ball, but there are fantasy elements there that make adaptation difficult. Aside from that, the medium of animation allows for some pretty unique character designs that are present in Cowboy Bebop. Now, with all of that said, I do think there are some anime that could be adapted very well into live-action! Black Lagoon comes to mind, as that anime was pretty heavily inspired by John Woo films! I don't think I'd lose any sleep if a series like that were adapted, but the more fantastic anime with more fantastic ideas, concepts, etc. should really probably be left alone.

[@makadragontamer]

Honest to god, HONEST TO GOD as someone who always really enjoys adaptations and who isn't of the "100% the original was better all the time" mindset, I think the ONLY way to do a good adaptation is to know what kind of story you want to tell with the world/characters/whatever AND to make sure that story either a) fits the source material well thematically or b) fully acknowledges that it is not doing the original. I'm a HUGE fan of the film adaptation of the book beautiful creatures and I am honestly very supportive of the changes they made with that story because those changes keep the themes of the book while working better as a movie. It took the story told in the book and said "what makes people like this and how to we make that work on camera" and all of the choices were deliberate with that question in mind. And on the other hand, I have MASSIVE respect for how jj Abrams handled star trek (2009) because he KNEW that because he's not a star trek fan, or wasn't at the time anyway, that he couldn't make a prime timeline story that felt like prime timeline star trek. So he, imo, very respectfully set the prime timeline aside and went off to make his version of star trek. And he knew what story he wanted to tell with his version of star trek. So, again, when changed things it was to fit the story that he wanted to tell, not just to "make things feel fresh". The thing I thing a Lot of companies forget when they try to adapt something with an audience built-in is if you don't respect that the fans are there because they know and love the source material, you are going to have a lot of, imo, righteously angry fans

[@RUEniCIAN]

And JJ went on to direct Star Wars Episode VII and IX and the rest is history with the fans

[@TheCaptainhowdy11]

He ruined Star Trek further. Jar Jar movies made no sense 🤔 😕

[@makadragontamer]

@@TheCaptainhowdy11 my point wasn't really about his movies themselves and more about how he respected the star trek fans enough to know that if he tried to make a main canon star trek movie, it wouldn't work. I have my issues with the movies myself, but I would be even more pissed if he had tried to insist that that was the original crew of enterprise. He respected the prime timeline enough to leave it alone and I have massive respect for that decision. That was the point I was trying to make. No shade, I just wanted to clarify what I meant

[@somethingwithultra7231]

@@makadragontamer I mean honestly, yeah this kind of makes me think alot more people would at least be able to accept reboots under alot of these types of circumstances as well. Considering alot of reboots also have the honest to god awful idea of resetting the entire old timeline to make place for the new one. As opposed to just leaving it be, and making their own thing entirely seperate.

[@rebeccar685]

A few decades back it was figured out that to succeed in capitalism you don't need to have the best product you just need to have the best marketing strategies. Controversy is a really good marketing strategy especially today where markets are governed (sincerely or not) by algorithms. All you have to do is say something is trending, but it really helps if your product pisses off a lot of people because then it'll really trend! Companies (in this case, Ntflx) serve shareholders not consumers and not employees and certainly not the public in general. On top of whatever revenue this shit pile can bring in it offers the added benefit of pushing dumbass ideas onto the public and guarding them from dangerous ones.

[@diceythings]

I absolutely agree with your idea of adapting Ed! Interpreting Ed's eccentricities to a virtual character only communicating through screens is a brilliant idea and adds a tremendous amount of possibilities.

[@Thegrandpineapple]

It’s so silly that the one character that’s very hard hard to replicate 1:1 is the one they tried the hardest to replicate. Like, and no offense to the actor but even the voice they do for Ed does not capture Ed because Ed’s voice isn’t harsh like that it has some sort of sing-songy quality to it. I’m glad it didn’t get a second season.

[@keplerscat28]

Yes, that thing about Antman is so true! That was all I could think about while watching Jet interact with his family. I think you can tell that the LA tried to do something good, but really made the weirdest choices and with that, killed off a lot of what was essential to Cowboy Bebop.

[@vetrais7965]

On the hammerhead front, I think his trike motorcycle (because it then is sort of hammer shaped) has the classic Hammerhead grey and yellow paint schema just to add insult to injury.

[@rescuehamster1734]

The most important quote from the production, I feel, is that they were trying to "fix" elements of Bebop. While I understand what they were talking about, it feels like they used that to apply to other aspects of tge story. Why Watanabe basically told is to temper our expectations. They think Bebop is bad, so they will do it better. Remember, John Cho said he didn't like Bebop and would only join if they changed it.

[@Roshi_710]

I never really had much of an interest in watching Cowboy Bepop before. But watching all these reviews for the Netflix adaptation honestly makes me want to check out the anime...

[@davidwelchert264]

Totally worth it

[@crooked9210]

You definitely should. It's an amazing anime

[@fallingfloor6924]

Its like the Writers are liberal arts majors and arent really fans of the show. They just kinda went to college for creative writing. Then a few years later boss comes in like "write the script for Bebop."

[@Brocknoth]

To be fair to RWBY I'd argue it was never the same after Monty died. Yeah they started off with seriously low production values but then the production values got better and the writing got questionably worse. Bad trade if you ask me but such is life. I do tip my hat to Rooster Teeth for trying to keep it alive but you have to wonder how close it is to the original vision.

[@LittleMissLanna]

I actually wasn't part of the Cowboy Bebop wave, but from what small clips I saw of it and from what others said, I understood why it was considered a masterpiece. As someone almost completely unknown to it, I decided to check out the Netflix live action adaptation with an open mind. I couldn't get past the first scene, though, because it felt like they were trying TOO HARD to be anime-in-real-life. I just turned it off. So thanks Ark!! I'll watch this video now and witness you unravel instead. :)

[@DrewLSsix]

The thing with Cowboy bebop is its the definition of a cult classic. It was made in an atypical way compared to most anime, it was made in a different style to most anime and it was made with far more western (american) influence that most anime. It wasn't at all a hit in Japan, it would probably have disappeared forever if it hadn't been localized for the English speaking markets, where I believe the heavily western production allowed it to succeed in a way it couldn't in its home market. It had the Japanese aura that appealed to the Manga and anime consumers while being culturally familiar enough to be appealing to non weebs.

[@kevinvu5432]

Trust me, the anime isn't as cheesy and campy and cartoonist as this version

[@shalindelta7]

@Michael Lochlann can confirm, it definitely is that good. I binged the first 17 episodes straight. It's one of the greatest I've seen. I recommend watching Black Lagoon if you haven't. These mature type anime is great.

[@kimberlylawrence2685]

I just discovered your channel and OMG you said everything I've been feeling about this Cowboy Bebop joke of an adaptation. I was looking forward to the opening scene being the same as the anime and then as soon as they showed the space casino I knew they weren't going to stay true and the whole thing was going anger me. Did I watch the whole thing? Yes...why? Because I wanted to see what else they messed up, which was everything.

[@c.a.mcdivitt9722]

15:02 - Also, can I just note how ... off John Cho's delivery of the "Just a humble bounty hunter, Ma'm." line was? It's supposed to be a bounty hunter talking to a bystander, and all that I could think is "that's Harry Kim reporting the shield status to Captain Janeway".

[@sorenkazaren4659]

“Netflix Faye doesn’t gamble” *me stopping what I’m doing to look at the screen trying to process this information* 🤨

[@tjmj5238]

My biggest problem with the whole story was when they threw The Faye video tape scene in there. It felt rushed and not earned. No foreshadowing, not enough callbacks to it, and not enough scenes to show how much pain not knowing who she is causes her. And I say that not even compared to the original, but compared to any story in general. If I was watching this and had never seen the anime, I would still have no emotional investment into the scene. Anyways, such an emotional moment in the anime, that fell so flat in this show.

[@ectofrost]

You literally solved how to do Ed in a live action format. That's amazing.

[@DeckDogs4Life]

*sees notification* *opens video* *sees it's almost an hour long* Oh no, they fucked up bad, didn't they?

[@animatedpupils6539]

Adaptations are always interesting especially when not doing a shot for shot reamke. That being said two things must always remain the same when the original content is beloved by the masses over a long period of time. The tonal message and how characters make decisions. Speaking to the tonal message Cowboy Bebop shouldn't be seen as a dystopia, not because it wasn't a sad or unfortunate future but because it's to broad to exemplify the nuance of the story. If however you classify it as a heroic tragedy in a noir setting then the events don't seem so hopeless.ore a circumstance of prior trauma and current job requirements. Dystopias have the feel of a future that we want to change due to prolonged depression and regret. Tragedies and noirs show a life we can learn from and therfore don't break us in their hardship. There is a beauty in their pain. Which is precisely why each episode of Bebop can end with a "See you later, Cowboy" because as bad as it is there are things and people worth bumping into one more time.

[@thecognitiverambler8911]

Wait, Netflix changed Julia because they thought OLD Julia was "antiquated"? Whaaaat!? In the anime she's cool, mature, and badass. In the live-action, she's literally a damsel in distress.

[@decusq]

I hope it was in the damn contract the original creator and director of Cowboy Bebop got to slap everyone involved with the live action remake.

[@Towkeeyoh]

Man, this breakdown is exactly how I felt about the show. Thank you for putting it into words and organising it so well! Even down to the music!

[@aceyotoko123]

It could be worse. It could be live action deathnote.

[@Charok1]

The Japanese live action Death Note 2 movie dub is great. So be specific when you talk.

[@aceyotoko123]

@@Charok1 you obviously knew what I was talking about 😀

[@gur262]

There could be a live action deathnote. With the genre of having a deathnote drop. Not even necessarily the same shinigami and not with light. But. To be good it would need some serious detective plotting or some philosophical n political themes. Like. Maybe the main character naively keeps executing presidents he really doesn't like n find that others take their place n things don't necessarily get better. That not every problem is a nail. ....or he s just having fun with stock market speculation. Or threatens the rich. Or or or...

[@foregroundeclispeleon6223]

I mean yeah true. But that doesn't mean the shear disspointment and failed attempt makes this feel any better. I'm just gonna pretend that the live action Cowboy Bepop doesn't exist. I'm gonna erase it from my mind.

[@foregroundeclispeleon6223]

Now's a good time to rewatch the Anime of Cowboy Bepop and drown out the live action version completely.

[@Hollyclown]

The show lost me when Spike kicks a quarter at a guy, while at gunpoint by several other people.

[@clivedoe9674]

American audiences can't handle introducing characters over time? Has that person ever watched American TV?? Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, the Sopranos?

[@MrNotaComedian]

Instantly thought of the wire , Omar doesn’t come until episode 3

[@ExeErdna]

At this point all of these shows are "OLD" people would have bitched if Faye showed up later, like how people were upset that Ed wasn't here until the end and then regretted that that was the ending...

[@CyrussNP]

@@ExeErdna wrong. Just cuz a few people with short attention spans whine online doesn’t mean everyone is like that.

[@Saintzel]

Weren't all the main characters introduced in episode 1 of GoT? All the stark family, Daenerys, all of the lanisters.

[@Saintzel]

Weren't all the main characters introduced in episode 1 of GoT? All the stark family, Daenerys, all of the lanisters.

[@naturalistmind]

Sometimes walls burst open into space but you can totally grab onto a table and be fine.

[@Kavewolf1989]

I struggled to finish episode 2. Jet wanted to be there though. I think he might have actually watched the anime. Netflix fey not only doesn't gamble. She also doesn't carry that weight either. Lol Their greatest sin is that they tossed out the themes of the show, gutted the characters, but kept the story beats?

[@thebrutusmars]

Mustafa Shakir fucking CARRIED

[@scooterjones303]

I wasn't going to comment but that Ed idea of yours would be so cool, I'd love it. It's like having Ed while not having Ed. Non-sensical.....sorta like Ed!

[@HULKHOGAN1]

When average anime fans like Angry Joe are pissed, you know Grarkada will be LIVID.

[@YuyuHakurei]

You could give outlaw star a chance. It's most likely the anime that inspired Cowboy Bebop. Although it is completely different it still has the Bounty Hunter theme.

[@SidsWard]

It’s one of my favorite animes of all time and I’m afraid to watch the live action even though I love most of the actors involved except Ed

[@Ghostleeee]

Don’t watch it….. the show is boring! And it’s never feel like the future

[@renekaizer7482]

Agree, just don't. It's a ridiculous abomination that is going to make you feel abused.

[@CyrussNP]

Cowboy Bebop is one of my favorite works of fiction in general. I watched the Netflix adaptation with the expectation that it wouldn’t measure up and it STILL deeply disappointed me. It sucks because the actors are the right cast for this. It’s just that everything else is so terrible, ESPECIALLY the depiction of characters like Vicious, Faye and Julia. Honestly Ed wasn’t so bad. The scene they introduce her is trash, but it’s hard to complain about trash on the floor of a building that’s on fire.

[@JosephDillman]

I see you catching yourself in the same way I find myself and I just want to applaud you for seeing so many of the different ways to view this. My first instinct "nerd-rage" comes from making direct comparisons to source material, but I think it's very sophisticated to go beyond and analyze from those other POVs. Of course, there's also that sweet, yet infuriating shaudenfreude when they fail from those angles as well. 😅 Great critique. I feel vindicated knowing I'm not alone.

[@chaseharlan01]

Honestly I was so hot and cold with it cuz there were some parts are like hey I really like that and other parts I'm like that makes no sense why is this here like the naked people making drugs or the bomb that turns people into trees graphically. But then there were some additions I actually didn't mind too much like Jet having a daughter it's mainly the stuff in between the beginning and end of a episode where they made it weird that I don't like. But when the result was the same as it was in the enemy I really didn't mind it even if they want about it a different way.

[@765mkojin3]

Drug cartels have people naked so it's harder for them to steel or hide the drugs. The reason being is the people they have doing that are forced to make the drugs. Although admittedly I haven't watched the show so I don't know the context.

[@chaseharlan01]

@@765mkojin3 how are they supposed to steal it I don't assume they're going anywhere since they literally have their eyes and mouths sewn together. So to have them naked in addition to that makes no sense because why would they blind them and make them mute essentially if they just left and went home afterwards.

[@00ammy00]

Man, I was hoping it would be good, but I sure loved listening to this rant. Your description of the intro to Knockin on Heaven's Door made me want to rewatch that whole movie.

[@pjkingkobra895]

Since this version of whine baby vicious didn’t have his bird, they shouldn’t bring it in S2 especially when you know how it ends oh what they’ll probably change that too. If anything symbolically Julia was the bird on Vicious shoulder doing all the planning in his ear in the Netflix version

[@spookyscastle7269]

I had that idea fully fleshed nearly to a T about Ed pop into my head while watching your video only for you to explain it back to me at the end. Excellent work man, your dedication to the material shows!

[@nightfall3605]

As to your Ed proposal: Anne McCaffrey wrote about Ship-People. Ppl who are placed in life support modules at birth because they would die otherwise. They become the brains of incredibly complicated machines, like spaceships, because the human brain is better than any computer. So the concept has been developed already. They could have copied that story too!

[@DevanBaird]

medical debt is a dystopian present

[@AlexanderFrost]

I've only watched one episode and I think I can safely say I'm not going to watch the rest. You summed up how I feel perfectly. Thank you.