So let's talk about the Skyrim Creation Club Update... (and the Verified Creator Program).

Hope you all enjoy this smaller discussion video on a subject that is very divisive in the community. I would like to know your opinions in the comments about this subject (as well as any feedback for future discussion videos such as this one). Depending on how busy I get in the coming days I might have to upload another small video before maids 2 (which turned out to be a wayyy bigger mod than I first expected).

[@doughboywhine]

The mythic dawn creation has an active daedric portal to the deadlands in it, and it is canon... so I guess Martin's sacrifice was for nothing

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

I agree these mods are not going through the correct channels when it comes to the lore, I think if it's role play lore meaning it's fake lore, then there shouldn't be a problem, but when they start counting it as canon, that's a stupid dance to go with.

[@gerhardstephanvanheerden4039]

if thats the case the dragonborn must be emperor again to stop dagon and oblivion to light the dragon fires

[@doughboywhine]

@@gerhardstephanvanheerden4039 and how would that be done after the amulet of kings was destroyed

[@readthiscomment6748]

If beyond reach becomes cannon - What a nice setup for the elder scrolls 6 when it is released in 12 years

[@joekaz5198]

​​@@user-tp5yb4hr4was if bethesda developers know their own lore.

[@jedbedrock2944]

My mother died last year, and as a result I have put hundreds of hours into skyrim VR. The modders who do it all for free, have given unfathomable joy to my life and have helped me heal. Its only because im in collage that i haven't been able to donate tons of money to every one of them on vortex. They are heros to me, and i wish game devs would respect them more. I have done programming and understand that even some of the most basic mods can be hard to make. I salute them.

[@treesuschrist1782]

"Waisted potential" is indeed the best way to describe all this. Ill be blunt, I dont care HOW nice it is, id sooner go through the process of re-downloading my 400+mod list over again before buying a house mod. However, id also gladly slap down 10 dollars for something like wheels of lull. The fact they allow such small scale content to be a major part of "paid mods" is excatly why so many people dont take it serisouly. If this entire operation was something more akin to a system where bethesda provides some sort of support to people making large scale story/quest mods and then its sold, with a cut of profit going to the creator, they could open the door for SO many more interesting projects. But no. We get house # 4001947856 and pets of skyrim. Wowie.

[@noahsylvester1754]

i'm pretty sure bethesda has gone off the deep end, not especially because of this update but with all the decisions they've made lately, like talking back to reviewers for starfield, it just doesn't inspire a lot of faith for their future as a company it's impossible to tell yet but i also don't think TES6 is going to inherit even a fraction of skyrim's modding community, even if it still uses the updated creation engine by then, i doubt they'll have many future successes unless they finally take a good look inward and deal with their internal affairs instead of ignoring the issue in favor of producing slop for inattentive players as opposed to the community that ends up sticking around after the new release craze dies down

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

Honestly I'm not even really sure that was talking back, I'm almost entirely sure they were using chat GPT to write there responses, and it just came off as condescending to the player because chat GPT is a little personal and stupid. Hell they just copy and paste it a billion messages too a bunch of people.

[@noahsylvester1754]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w AI or not, they made a conscious effort to reach out and speak against negative reviews and critics using excuses for why their game was the way it was, instead of, again, looking inward at their own failures to make a better product next time, it's very discouraging for someone eagerly awaiting a new elder scrolls entry because we now know bethesda's dev team resents critics and probably plans to ignore past criticism instead of taking it into account

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@noahsylvester1754 yeah that's a good point, the costumer is always right, and you can't very well tell your customer that they are wrong and they are playing it wrong lol. i mean the stupid quote about being on the moon and how they weren't board was a dumb comment because they actually went to the real moon, not some stupid video game that's meant to be an unrealistic representation of an RPG lol. it's like bethesda want to claim their game is an RPG but also an immersive sim without delivering on either idea very well. even the starfield story is bad when it comes to the history created, and it needs some serious revising.

[@Baguete__]

The Bethesda as always are trying their hardest to ruin their games

[@RahamaLaham]

Recently, I finally activated the CC content and I was honestly disappointed, every "mod" is a pathetic low-grade effort... I don't even want to be bad, but when you compare it to other mods, even "fossils" ones like Falskaar (and if you want to crash the ship without survivors: any Vicn mod) I'm surprised that people PAY for this. And now he's trying to not only send more garbage down our throats, but break the best things we have? 1.5.97 for life, Todd. (aka the nameless one)

[@Ethelred-nf6co]

not looking good for es6 💀

[@wod5203]

Nothing added in AE 1.0 was anything I wanted or needed, everything added in AE 2.0 was intentionally done to spite the users, modders and break the tools that made modders creations more popular than content BGS's paid staff could make. When I was on XBOX I bought a few of the Creation Club mods and was severely disappointed with them. Umbra was lame, the house in The Reach was bugged, about the only mod that I used or liked was the ebony plate and it was only slightly better than the vanilla ebony armor. I had to update on Steam (PC) because my SSE 1.5.97 was broken, after several years of modding it and not uninstalling mods the proper/suggested way, I had files that were baked into every new game and basically broke every Hearthfire house. So, I decided to update, and now I'm screwed. I tried downgrading to 1.6.640 using the depot method, but no matter which skse version I tried running, there was always a major mod that didn't like the version I was running. I used the downgrade patcher mod and the same thing happened because USSEP upgraded and removed the older archives which killed quite a few mods I used to use that relied on USSEP. So, as it stand now my Steam Skyrim SSE/AE is unusable, all because of BGS decision to break their game again. They plan on wrecking Fallout 4 the same way, and I'm sure this garbage will be installed from the start on TES VI. BGS isn't on my good side at this time. If you've seen other comments I've made on other videos discussing this issue, I'm downright pissed off.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

Calling something Canon that comes from a mod doesn't seem to go through the correct lore experts, and maybe they shouldn't claim it's cannon at that point.

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

The best thing Bethesda could do at this point is to just stop updating Skyrim. It always breaks stuff, and it's annoying how Steam is doing whatever it can to get us to update, and how complicated it can be to prevent it. I must disagree on downgrading to SE, however. That might have been true half a year ago or so, but now mods are intended for AE, or at least work with it without any issue (the version of AE before the last update, of course)

[@yoga5631]

But isnt SE (as of jan 2024) have the same version as AE?

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

@@yoga5631 AE is just a Creation Club package, but for simplicity the version before AE - 1.5.97 - is being called SE, while the patch that came out together with AE - 1.6.640 - people call AE. And then there's yet another, newer update, 1.6.1130. For now, it's probably safest to stay at 1.6.640 when it comes to compatibility.

[@yoga5631]

@@jonaszpawlacz756 ok so people are calling the lates update (1.6.1130) the AE version while the earlier version (1.6.640) as SE version? Gotcha

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

@@yoga5631 no, SE is 1.5.97, and 1.6.640 used to be referred to as AE, but now I believe anything above 1.6 is referred to as AE, because the differences between 1.6.640 and 1.6.1130 aren't substantial.

[@jigthh]

My boy spitting some hard facts on this analysis. I personally liked the Umbra creation because i got it for free a year or two ago during christmas, normally i wouldn't pay anything for it until maybe if it was on sale. Also considering how sanitized Starfield was, Bethesda would just make pale imitations if they ever did something like their version of Vigilant, imagine Vigilant without the fucked up shit which happens during the storyline, that'd make the whole mod feel so much less intense. When directly compared to Baldur's Gate it's like they are afraid of making more risque stories. Also this mod made me wanna play Skyrim and Vigilant through once again, pity that my mod list is so borked beyond belief it crashes nonstop, and then add in to the fact that Skyrim update botched my mod list. (I am stubborn, i don't really like having to not update Skyrim.)

[@OldBurnzy]

when i download a free mod i expect there to be bugs and shit, and thats understandable. im not gonna be on the modders ass for it because i didnt even pay for it. If i were to buy a creation club mod i would treat it like a AAA release and expect it to bug free.

[@dmitriyivanich1088]

Bug free and Bethesda. Now there is 2 things that don't belong in the same sentence let alone on the same pizza. You're kidding me right?

[@dissident1337]

I'm not feeling so bad about these updates not coming to the GOG version.

[@creat0r84]

I know the ridiculous stuff added to the AE update is considered canon, but I don't think the paid mods added in the latest update is considered canon. For one, any of these downloads disabled achievements. Also, one of the creations added guns. To Skyrim. I'm not kidding...

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

Wait a second, who is saying that mods are canon?

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

I have a little something else to add on to that, is ESO considered canon? Because of it is then none of their prior material from previous Elder Scrolls games is canon, so when they name anything Canon that is a bad deal. Sounds to me like they're desperate.

[@creat0r84]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w the previous creation club content that came bundled with Anniversary edition is "canon", but most of it is ridiculous and doesn't correspond with the lore at all. These creations just released aren't apparently, just seen as mods you pay for. And yeah, ESOs considered canon. Zenimax collaborated with Bethesda for lore and stories apparently. More legit than glorified mods imo

[@fanarkboy8543]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w Thomas The Tank Engine dragons is now canon to ES

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@creat0r84 in my opinion i think of ESO as cannon, but within an alternate reality because the lore wasn't established in previous titles, and that's what makes the most sense to me, but i agree with your other point the stupid crab that holds your stuff on AE game gives you is both stupid and it's supposed to be cannon? i mean it would have made more sense someone used magic to make that happen. but are they seriously trying to make mods into cannon? because at the end of the day this turns the lore into meaningless nonsense, all because some moron wanted to ad new content to the game. bethesda would have been better off releasing the content and just saying they were just addon content, not cannon.

[@erhogh]

Honestly, I don't much care about TES VI. While I'm sure it will be better than Starfield, it simply cannot compete with Skyrim SE/AE and all the mods it will have by the time TES VI releases. The best mods are yet to come out. Beyond Skyrim Cyrodiil / Atmora, Skywind, Skyblivion and Apotheosis just to name a few. Bethesda simply has no chance to compete with all of these combined. Not to mention all the amazing gameplay improvement mods that are yet to be released.

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

Yep. Unless Bethesda makes combat and gameplay as GoW Ragnarok / Elden Ring, Beyond Skyrim and Apotheosis projects will eat their f***in lunch. Especially since they will be free. Only thing that would generate some goodwill from players would be for Bethesda to talk to BS devs, learn the plot and story of the mods, and incorporate them into the lore of TES6, by making Beyond Skyrim canon. And by (sort of) hiring those devs to complete the projects with Kirkbride to oversee the lore and story, and after they succedd, hire them for real into Bethesda. New blood could do wonders for their new games, seeing as current developers are stuck in their ways...

[@blackheart4360]

I been apart the community since around the same time you have.

[@vladkata22]

I think 1.6.640 is stable now and lots of mods have moved there and some don't support the older versions. If you don't need some old mods or some of the few still refusing to move on to the new version, 1.6.640 might be a better version to stay at.

[@alquimistaZ2]

I managed to stop the updating before this latest one and my 200 mods list is running smooth as butter in the 1.6.640. I'm playing Vigilant for the first time and it is just beyond anything Bethesda can do these days.

[@beywheelzhater8930]

Honestly as an Xbox player I originally thought my Skyrim broke when the mods tab disappeared only to later find out it was fused with the creation club tab And now I’m just disappointed because it has only made searching for mods less convenient because of one reason and one reason only: the featured tab is now filled with mostly random paid mods making it harder to find quality community creations. Sure, we now can actually do the basic feature of clicking on a mod author’s name to see their gallery but this is only slightly easier than looking up said name and does not make up for the sheer inconvenience this has caused. Hell, pretty sure we lost the ability to select time frames in the most popular and most liked sections as well as the most favorited section entirely so they’ve even REMOVED some functionality when it comes to searching as well as clogging the featured section with paid mods (also, currently the featured section is missing and trying to manually go to it while writing this very comment to double check it was still missing has crashed my game entirely)

[@lazarack4859]

I'm just not going to use it lol, all the mods I care about are free, and always will be free. Those that will buy it, have disposable income and don't care for quality. Or they're on PlayStation, Bethesda is probably banking on those player's lol.

[@nojuansbusiness8923]

As far as these new paid mods there is only two that PlayStation players can buy. The player home ones. 500 points each.

[@lazarack4859]

@@nojuansbusiness8923 wow, that's quite disappointing actually. The Player homes are very middling.

[@nojuansbusiness8923]

@@lazarack4859 ya it sucks, We have plenty of player homes already as it is that I can get. Plenty of free player home mods as well.

[@yoga5631]

Here is a fun fact about them if youre on pc, they have no online authenticator meaning if hypothetically you found someone who posted the files, you can just drag and drop them into the data folder and it will work

[@lazarack4859]

@@yoga5631 Well well, looks like the "Robin Hood" gets to play.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

I don't think they will lock out users to the creation kit and Via verification, because what they're going to need is people using it,, because they want to profit directly off of mod authors who create mods, and if they destroy that relationship by adding a verification system, that would be incredibly stupid on their part, and I know bethes are stupid but they're not stupid when it comes to making money and that would be a very stupid move. They are more than likely to limit free mod section to users on how many downloads they can have per month or something so that they can incentivize purchasing mods off that same Market. No personally I don't like the idea of paying for mods individually, I would rather it be turned into a subscription service, because through subscription service, the payment doesn't go any higher than the subscription fee, because when you pay per mod you're paying anything from $2 to $4 to $6 to $8 per mod, and at the end of the day you end up finding out how much money you spent on crap that you may not even like.

[@Matrox473]

As a Skyrim lover and enjoyer of daggerfall unity, openMW and oblivion to some extent, i have NO HOPE for TES6. Bethesda is dead and i realized it by playing F4 (which the only reason i spent so many hours in is for the modded content ALONE). I used to be a fan of the games of bethesda .... >used

[@alquimistaZ2]

Bethesda should just stop updating and allow the fans to take the reins like with Morrowind and Daggerfall. But no, they know Skyrim is only still profittable because of mods, but they can't get any more money from someone who paid for SE six years ago, so they want to create new ways to commercialize a 10+ year old game, through a cash shop. Big companies often have one central pilosophy: Pofit above anything else. And one thing that is profittable is when you can sell a product that you didn't have to invest any money on. Hiring people to make a DLC sized mod is expensive, but by outsourcing your workers and taking parts of the cut they basically can make a profit without investing much money. It's nice that some modders are making a profit, but we have to look at this situation beyond just "modders getting paid" , now Bethesda decided to professionalize the modding community and that should bring a discussion that not many are having about how this is a way for Bethesda to save money when hiring a professional development team and making a game, because they know they'll have an army of outsourced workers that will fill the game with purchasable content once it's done.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

Let me just say this, if the motor wants to earn money they can open up their patreon, that's true, but the issue with patreon and selling their mod on bethesda's Market is that bethesda's market functions like Amazon's Global store, and Patron works like your small convenience store in your small small City that nobody knows about except for maybe a select few people.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

Modders, excuse me I am using text to speech, and sometimes it can be a bit retarded.

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

If a mod becomes popular, it's going to earn much more on Patreon than on CC. If it doesn't, then no one's going to buy it on CC either.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@jonaszpawlacz756 you didn't understand my analogy did you? patreon may pay out the account owner more, but patreon is not something that will reach millions of eyeballs potentially, Bethesda's store however will, because it's the console gamers that will see it the most. so if it becomes popular on that market, they will potentially gain far more users paying into that system. however i don't like paying for mods individually, that to me is wrongly priced. instead a better system would be a subscription model so the consumer never pays more than the subscription per month and gains unlimited access to more modders and mods within that system than any individual patreon account can offer in comparison. now PC gamers will still have access to free mods on the nexus because many mods need bug testers before they should be allowed on the market to be sold, but i would think it ideal for bethesda to still have a free mods section in that market place, maybe they cap the downloads of these free mods per month per user or something as their main goal is to get people on the subscription model without alienating the consumer base too much. now will they do the subscription model, probably not, but they would have a far better outcome if they did for all users involved in that system.

[@AndroidOO3]

Yah. Let's all just stay on special edition. I hate this bs of facturing the comunity over and over. The best part of mods is that they work TOGETHER!

[@ominiouspressence4853]

It's all a scam by Todd.

[@debbiegilmour6171]

Verified creations need to be viewed as third party expansions more than paid mods. Consequently, the creators will have to up their game.

[@blackheart4360]

Great update

[@blackheart4360]

I love the update

[@lord_destros2188]

Tbh i doubt bethesda will lock the creation kit for es6 behind being a verified member, its too out of character and would cause more backlash than they probably will ever recieve for anything else.

[@gerhardstephanvanheerden4039]

im unfortunately stuck with the update hoping the mods are going to be fix but dont think its going to by the look of things

[@isaacgriffiths9478]

Im got tired of this nonsense this update i just don't know how to get the creation update on my Xbox series x i wish they would go back to normal you know creation club and mods tabs back on the main menu i just need to find out how to get it till next time friend

[@Elomentoplayz]

Omg I'm still sick also too

[@blackheart4360]

I bought the east empire company.

[@WolfLykaios]

Oh Todd, todd, todd.. Please just retire already.

[@szarekhtheimmortal2293]

To be fair, on that "ES 6 verified creator" possibility, I must admit I don't care. F4 being alright at best F76 being a scam, Starfield's blandness, Bethesda is out of their game and I don't trust them to make a good ES 6 if it ever comes out. I feel like Skyrim will remain the last ES game and will just end up where DOOM 1993 ended up: an immortal game kept alive by loving modders. Hell, that's what happened to Morrowind. Could even argue it's already true for Skyrim, honestly.

[@gerhardstephanvanheerden4039]

if you make legacy of the dragonbourne cannon problem solve

[@RecoilGunnerStudios]

Small issue Unofficial skyrim patch devs refuse to support or even host older versions This is not good Usseepis vital yo allot of mods and continuing stability Playing se is a pain cause some mod authors refuse to go back Recently the guide dragonborns fate has been arquived cause of the too many versions of skyrim. In short the comunity is now a hydra.

[@TurtleMythic1251]

Thankfully I have my auto updates turned off for Skyrim.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

Anything and everything that has auto updates should be automatically turned off.

[@retrowrath9374]

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w So why I am still on 1.6.1130 then if it auto updates? People login to creation club and whine that's why

[@venepskeuten9206]

All they need to do was let the game be.

[@retrowrath9374]

It's simple, don't login to creation club if you have tons of nexus mods and you can stop crying, Bethesda don't support them, they can update their game to support their own platform, you choose to login and break third party mods

[@kenmck7802]

Skyrim, when modded, is GORGEOUS but it's getting to be a bit of a hassle. Is it really worth going through the list AGAIN? That's become my thinking. I wish the modders ALL success but I'm sorry I don't make, LYIN Todd Howard money. Hell I don't even make COWARD Phil Spencer money.

[@fanarkboy8543]

As long as we get a permanent mod limit increase on consoles, I'm okay with that.