So Virtua Fighter 5 got a re-release... (Ultimate Showdown)

[@hotmealdotcomma]

Why would Sega NEED rollback when they already got BLAST PROCESSING?!

[@neonknight5857]

holyfuck

[@nickyoung7081]

came here to make this joke

[@seapeajones]

I don't know how you would understand this if you weren't alive in the 90s.

[@boyikaruz8415]

@@seapeajones 4 words "angry video game nerd"

[@StubenhockerElite]

The next step: BLAST BACK NETCODE

[@BurnedRetinas]

As a lifelong fan of the series, Virtua Fighter has always taught new people how to play Virtua Fighter with the idea that you've clearly played Virtua Fighter.

[@Raxyz_0]

Yeah, I played the game since the first iteration so I kinda breezed to the tutorial and went "cool". As a Silver SFV player, seeing Brian confused made me realize how bad the game actually is at teaching basic concepts, lol. I also think they should have mentioned the weight system as that will confuse the shit out of people labbing for combos that won't work on Wolf, Jeffrey or Taka. Then again it might not be needed since VF has just two skill levels, Pro and Mash Crouch Jab

[@BurnedRetinas]

@@Raxyz_0 it was a little disappointing that VF4 Evolution's guide wasn't brought back to flesh out the nuances introduced in 5 that many other fighters have never applied. I remember when they had cold feet about bringing Taka back for 4 because his momentum-based sumo style was tricky enough to balance in VF3.

[@sfbloodsister]

Vf4 probs has the best tutorial of any fighting game ever.

[@FAMCHAMP]

I like how unknowingly Brian gave the biggest reaction in the opening character cutscene intro to Brad who is a boxer completley unknowingly and then goes on to use him It's like he's destined for boxing characters lol Granted it's kickboxing but still lol

[@pfunk6945]

This game came out in 06. It was a good tutorial at the time. Cuz like... other fighting games didn't have them yet

[@kaiserrino8774]

This tutorial from 2007 is still superior to 2017 Tekken and that's embarrassing.

[@BongWatah]

It's still not that bad on today's standards

[@protodevilin]

Pause @6:42 This is your destiny, Brian. Also, VF5 is a game that, in the words of jmcrofts, "really makes you feel like a brain genius." The technical depth makes choosing the right option for the right situation extremely fun and rewarding. It's old as hell, but those of us who have supported the series are all really hoping that this remaster brings greater interest and new players. VF5 is dope.

[@BrainGeniusAcademy]

A hwat now

[@FAMCHAMP]

Yeah I always liked how technical it can be

[@ROTINPIECES]

Holy shit the resemblance is uncanny

[@kobasteele4965]

I love you that is the bets thing I have ever witnessed

[@MagillanicaLouM]

I can definitely agree with the "stop making it the fan communities responsibility to keep these franchises alive" statement. I get it, these companies are businesses first, but to have so many beloved franchise fates ride purely on some sales goal the ppl buying won't know about without considering the factors OUTSIDE of brand interest that might negatively impact financial performance is so silly. These CEO's or whoever the devs need to talk to to get projects greenlit need a better pulse on the pavement or whatever the saying that I inconveniently brain farted on just now is. That being said, as someone who was just getting into Virtua Fighter seriously right before this was announced, I'm glad this exists and the community HAS been doing their best, and I'd gladly support it when I'm able to pay for psn or this free trial ends, whichever comes first. Just sucks a franchise with such a huge legacy as this has to resort to "interest gauging" for a main line title.

[@juniversevi5890]

His explanation on why fg tutorials are also back literally sums up the problem with learning math

[@zegim]

Oh, God, that's a perfect comparison.

[@alongwistfulsquiggle8440]

The sad thing is that a holistic understanding of most math principles involves higher level math than what is being taught, especially in high school. A lot of algebra/geometry stuff works because of calculus, and that would probably be a tough to introduce to 14-year-olds. That said, schools could do a far better job of making math actually relevant to the real world instead of asking for angles between the top of a tree and the ground. It would at least make the piecemeal memorization easier to swallow.

[@reedyleek7315]

When my friends and I (all of us are within 30 minute drives of eachother) played online we all thought it was amazing! I was shocked to find out how poorly implemented the netcode was as I saw everything unfold on twitter, because I genuinely think VF5 is a great game and everyone should be able to enjoy it running smoothly. I just hope if VF6 is a thing that Sega just uses rollback and we can all laugh this off down the line

[@sfbloodsister]

so your online experience was good but twitter convinced you the online experience is bad

[@budafuka]

@@sfbloodsister His experience is good, but overall the online experience for most is bad, therefore the online experience is overall bad. Not that hard to understand.

[@reedyleek7315]

@@sfbloodsister No? I never backtracked and said my netplay experience was bad. I just expressed my frustration that others can't have the same experience I do

[@mehgamer467]

@@budafuka netplay is more mixed than bad.

[@sfbloodsister]

@@budafuka what makes you think its bad for most people, when most people say their experience is good. you're gaslighting yourself.

[@omgvulpix]

Absorption POV

[@bogartskim]

Brian upload?? Pog

[@masontem7526]

Bogart comment?? Pog

[@shrikelet]

I have never wanted to get into Virtua Fighter as much as I do after watching this video.

[@nickkiller-0710]

I wish this Netcode thing happened to a worse game so we could call it Ultimate Letdown

[@vincentvalentine5171]

Dude I used brad burns as my tutorial character and I actually got pissed off when I thought I was doing the generic evade and the number didn’t go up lmao

[@matthewlugo2417]

Ppl making fun and beating up the training dummy are gonna have a rude awakening when they get to the final boss but this time shes shiny, shes pissed she knows all the characters best moves and will use "you" for a training dummy

[@ivantsarevitch337]

Why isn't Dural playable? Her combos look sick and her air juggles look like fun!

[@astonerdarkly222]

14:53 in the chat : "they're explaining all this high level stuff, but like 99% early play is dealing with 2P" big foreshadowing (yes, watched the vids in the wrong order)

[@androtaz2621]

Brian Burns

[@spiralgodking9877]

Brad "Chad" Burns

[@alistairblaire6001]

I've had several matches where my opponent was clearly having lag issues but I had no issues at all. They'd sit there and dance around or they'd try to ring out themselves. I must live close to a cloud server, but the fact that a lot of people are having a bad experience kind of takes away from my own experience. Oh and yeah the move list and tutorial definitely need demos.

[@danobra]

Are you going to upload the VF gameplay? Please do! I wanna watch it so bad

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Brian's Virtua Fighter skills ARRREEE *UNBEATABLLLEE*

[@enveritas4948]

From my limited understanding, implementing rollback properly in an already finished game system is way harder than if you build it in from the start. It's possible they didn't want to sink the time into implementing rollback into a game that they knew they were releasing for free at first. I'm sure VF6 will have rollback.

[@usagijojo]

It's funny you said that Virtua Fighter is a stiffer Tekken, I've always thought the exact opposite.

[@usagijojo]

@@LegendaryPlank "Flawless"? Well you said it buddy, not me.

[@BakiX]

@@LegendaryPlank Thats every fighting game community, not just VF

[@usagijojo]

@@LegendaryPlank Yeah that sounds like something George from SEGAbits would say lol. Just keep in mind that Western VF fans are a tiny community whose game gets constantly snubbed and overlooked (even moreso than kusoge fighters like Karnov's Revenge), so some of them are going to be extra-sensitive about criticism because they desperately want VF to be legitimized and respected in the West.

[@BakiX]

@@LegendaryPlank So do a lot VF fans, lol. I don't know where this narrative came from, but everyone see's the strengths and weaknesses of their preferred fighting game. The VF community is smaller in the west though, so you're likely to find more fans of the game typing about it than not. And as with anything, if you go into a fandom and downplay it, you're likely to find backlash from it too.

[@michaelromeo9567]

@@LegendaryPlank People just don't know how to cancel their moves in VF. It's like a guy talking about Tekken mobility problems when he can't do Korean back dash. You can have crazy mobility in VF. That's why the game is faster than Tekken at high level. People just don't know how to play the game at low level. And 90% street fighter players just love mash buttons..

[@joshuawoodard6998]

Almost 2 years later and I'll say. VF actually has pretty damn good netcode. I play it a few times a week and I have no problems at all. I get green bar connection with people on the East coast and yellow bar connection with people on the west coast and Europe. Asia and Africa, South America and Australia is orange or red bar which is nearly unplayable. Also people that play on wifi is pretty bad connection as well. I hope this helps anyone that's interested in picking up a great fighting game.

[@bigvador]

@10:55 No Mr.F you head was in the way for me to see that meter build.

[@rooksdoubleohseven9919]

Going to watch whole stream and let video play in background for maximum patronage.

[@Boyzby]

It's funny that I've been playing Virtua Fighter 5 in the Yakuza games, and then they remake it with the engine from that series. I may as well give it a try and get my ass beat by real people instead of AI.

[@tasseiviews2947]

I could be wrong but I think the best way to show that you want rollback netcode is to be vocal about it. Because what might happen if all the hardcore players boycott is that Sega just sees lots of casual players, who don't know or care, enjoying it in their data and says: "Great, it doesn't need different netcode, lots of people are loving it the way it is."

[@sa1gon1]

About the frame counter in training mode for each input, doesn't Melty Blood have the same display?

[@zabludokiarts975]

1:58 I’m sorry I just got whiplashed, Drake Bell got fucking arrested? Drake Bell from Drake and Josh?!? What the actual fuck lmfao.

[@IYPITWL]

When I was really into VF4 (1-4 I played a LOT) none of my friends could do anything except mash, and that wasn't even useful for them if I played any type of reversal character.

[@Undead25_]

9:06 it sounds like a couple salamais slapping eachother and that is hilarious to me

[@pretzels7437]

My take: if vf6 has bad netcode, don't buy it. Not even a no rollback no buy argument it's more like a why the fuck did you not listen to us. When offline comes back some of these devs are gonna go try to go back to delay based netcode because "just go to your locals!!!" as if bad online wasn't an issue before this pandemic.

[@sfbloodsister]

you haven't played it the online is good

[@micksmith1812]

I've had a lot of fun playing this since it was free for psn+ subscribers but if its no longer playable after august I dont see myself picking up unless its super cheap and there's been some hint at extra dev support for improving the current netcode. It also annoys me they released a 15 year old game with no Legacy arcade stick support.

[@0kills]

1:21 They're doing quantum netcode that doesn't have any delay LMFAO

[@BerzerkDC]

As a package and for netcode yes it could be improved. But it's virtua Fighter and you hadn't played it before. So what about commenting on its gameplay? It's not just fun to mash in, there's depth to its systems and characters.

[@pieterlindeque7798]

It's a good game, and it's well made and complex and I understand why people like it, it's just not for me. Never was into 3d fighters anyway. If it wasn't for the fact that GG Strive was coming this weekend I might have actually made and effort to learn. I'm good at 2d fighters but I'm always shit at 3d lol.

[@AVClarke]

Sad to read that news about Drake Bell. :P

[@meljXD2]

Nice Brian

[@SonnyJim173]

It's so fun

[@c.conga11]

Brad actually looks like a character Brian would use

[@Mr.Smiley_J]

It's so weird to me to see world class fighting game player folk who have never played Virtua Fighter. I know it's old, and I know not everyone has had the same exposure to the same games, but VF is one of the OG big name fighting game franchises that I would have thought everyone had taken at least a single whack at. (or was I mistaken when he said he'd never played it, he meant VF5 and not the series as a whole?)

[@Glennjamyyyn]

I honestly didn't know that Virtua Fighter was still a thing after the original couple games in arcades,,, it's so far from the normal audience that I wouldn't put it past any pros for not playing the game out of thinking the mechanics or gameplay is archaic or uninteresting (especially when they're busy investing in their main series) or not even knowing it still had such a following

[@Brian_F]

I vaguely remember mashing in VF1 on ps1 at a friends house, that's it lol. Didn't play anything before sf4 besides a little tekken or bloody roar as a kid

[@budafuka]

The biggest heyday VF probably had was VF4, and that was the very early 2000's. The big FG resurgence didn't happen until well into the late 00's-early 10's. So it's not that hard to imagine not many people outside of FG boomers have dabbled seriously.

[@CHULAKable]

Game is fun. I play pretty all fighting games so I’m gonna mash with it

[@metalgeartrusty]

Cant expect growth

[@AdversaryOne]

"I kinda totally agree" -Brian F. 2021

[@HiResDez]

Damn I thought you were gonna show some matches

[@BrainGeniusAcademy]

Peep the new vid 👀

[@Adderflail]

Be thankful there's a lack of 2Ps in this video

[@protodevilin]

It's pronounced, "win button."

[@haputhegnome3891]

My only problem with virtua fighter is i can't conect my legacy arcade stick in PS4. It Works Fine in street fighter 5 I dont know If virtua fighter suppots It. Or im Just dumb.

[@jonc8561]

Brain looks high in this vid, look at them red eyes.

[@ivantsarevitch337]

Can we talk about there not being an PC version? Is sega scared that the molders could fix the game?

[@ddublu]

try implementing rollback. It improves things.

[@FlytoZenith]

Hello Brian F

[@groovstoov4717]

This game is what I thought Tekken was.

[@joaquincoronel342]

Pog

[@felix9533]

WHO CARES OLYMPIC BRINE LETS GO

[@TheForhekset]

Considering people can get the game for free with a psplus subscription, I think people should be happy. The netcode isn't perfect, but no game has a perfect online experience.

[@ddublu]

no rollback, no buy. this is not a feature anymore. stop legitimizing their delay-based stupidities. The only thing this truly absorbs, is the money of whomever rents the servers.

[@Stingrays110]

brian says he has a day job, but really he leaves to play virtual fighter 5 ranked for 8 hours a day.

[@tbeezey2255]

Yooooo...at 6:42 he kinda WAS Brad for a split second. Was uncanny. 🤣

[@yobbiden]

i'm sad for my fellow russians

[@danm9640]

capcom street fighter 5 player saying other game have bad net code this is a joke ? street fighter 5 have good net code now ??? and better of Virtua Fighter 5 ??? i guess bad net code never stop you to play sf5 ???

[@Stingrays110]

Acting like

[@FrankTheDoomriderJohansen]

The MASHING is STRONG in Virtua Fighter 5 HAHAHAH!!!

[@crontler]

No andastand gaem mechanix, just play 😡😡

[@Thenadathor]

this video has so little to do with the game mechanics

[@bloodfurypk666]

i`m sock your not already ban for saying this lol

[@NonaFGC]

yoooooooooooooooooooo

[@bigredradish]

I'm in agreement with a lot of points here. sure, the game is SUPER fun, but looking past that I think it's a SHIT package and seeing as Sega is pulling a Darkstalkers Resurrection here wrt the future of VF I worry that they'll decide to throw the entire series away because they decided to put out a garbage product. same thing sorta happened to DOA6--a very fun game, but everything surrounding it was godawful and they canned the whole thing. i don't wanna see this happen to VF, man

[@Emezie]

It's not a "garbage product". It actually has some really cool features included, they overhauled all the graphics, they're actually communicating with the audience for the 1st time in VF history (via their twitter), and it's FREE for PS+ for its 1st 2 months. Most games get the vast majority of their sales during the first 2 months, so they're consciously foregoing that revenue just to jumpstart the franchise again. The only mediocre thing is the netcode. That doesn't magically erase all the other effort they put into the rest of the game. Also, if people can't even be bothered to try out a free game, why would any sane company make a VF6? No one would do that.

[@sfbloodsister]

this dude said SUPER fun, then "garbage product" lol

[@kidbuumer4780]

@@sfbloodsister A game can be a good product and be terrible and vice versa. Dragon Ball Fighterz, to me, is a very fun game, but it’s a terrible package. The story is tedious and boring, the fun modes are exclusive to online, said online is terrible, and the single player content is completely forgettable.

[@bigredradish]

@@sfbloodsister hey man I love FEXL, a good game can have bad features :)

[@pretzels7437]

I wouldn't even call it a "shit" package. Its vf5 and there's a free trial (better than when capcom sold a port of games you could play for free) but this whole intrest gauging thing is so stupid because no one knows what's the goal before VF6.

[@skinnyd_tk6795]

so, you gonna play tekken? lol

[@EmoDKTsuchiya]

Brian upload? Pog... ...give me likes free

[@mounne13]

Honestly wish Virtua wasn't stuck in AAA prison. Bruh just let us kickstart it or something so we can actually have rollback.

[@cegolau]

Also known as half-assed Tekken

[@genepadilla7754]

How many 3D fighting games have rollback? What one and people love to play armchair developer like you can just slap any type of netcode on any game then call it a day. Brian said it perfectly he would over loom flaws it it was SFV and if you're a VF fan like myself then you can also look past this games current flaws. I'd much rather play VF over SFV any day abd not just because it offers more depth I just find it way more fun to play then SFV. Lastly the online has been great for me here in the bay area but in the end online will never be offline. SFV is fun when your attacking but I couldn't see myself playing it again.

[@sfbloodsister]

TEKKEN: a cyborg fights a bear in a fedora. about 25%. of connections are shit SFV: 60 unique characters that employ one single strategy each. about 35% of connections are shit VF5: one of the best fgs ever 10% of connections are shit

[@sfbloodsister]

@Jinxed Swashbuckler brooklyn, nyc 1bg fios hardwired connection

[@KARS215]

Doesn’t SFV have rollback back? Online still sucks lmao

[@erichbauer3991]

because it's badly implemented

[@flibo5049]

@@erichbauer3991 the problem for sfv is the crossplay

[@KARS215]

So it’s rollback just to be clear?

[@diangelo786]

@@KARS215 what exactly is your argument? That games shouldn’t have rollback because ONE game flubbed it’s implementation? Let’s look at some games with proper rollback: Killer Instinct, Skullgirls, GGAC+r, TFH, MK11, and quite a few more. Play any of those games and then try arguing “lmao rollback bad.”

[@perfidioussinn]

@@KARS215 Yes, it's possible to implement rollback technology poorly and make a bad experience (SFV and Marvel Infinite are examples), and it is possible to implement rollback technology properly and make an excellent online experience (Guilty Gear +R, Strive, KOF 2002UM, Skullgirls, Them's Fighting Herds and Killer Instinct are examples)

[@sfbloodsister]

So, Brian reluctantly admits the game has good netcode but then shits on it because people in rural or developing areas might theoretically have problems? Ridiculous. It has better netplay than SFV...but it doesnt use the word "rollback" so clutch your pearls people in Slovakia might have lag.

[@pretzels7437]

"Its good for me but not for others, so fuck those other people" aight bro I'm sorry I forgot Sega is just a small business whose struggling at the moment

[@Glennjamyyyn]

Spoken like a true American surrounded by servers

[@pieterlindeque7798]

The point is that people in Slovakia can play GG Strive with people in Africa and actually play the game. That is not true for VF5.

[@alexmaganda5827]

i have rarely any lag issues in sfv but vf5 is a mess

[@sfbloodsister]

​@@pieterlindeque7798 have you or ANYONE spoken to an actual African and heard them complain about vf5 netcode. the fuck are we talking about here. mvci and strive have rollback....thats great i can go to the Sahara without worrying about lag. ppl still bitch about those games nonstop bc u care about twitter more than your irl experience

[@rb1902]

Brian upload??pog