So what do I do with my unsupported Mac now?

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[@escapetherace1943]

Put linux onto it and suddenly it's a modern machine again

[@chriscalderon1337]

.... No. In theory you get newer software you can run, but the reality is that most desktop software you'd want to use is either buggy, broken, or simply unavailable. I've spent a lot of time and effort into testing and using linux on my PowerMacs and it is always worse than Tiger or Leopard.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@chriscalderon1337 I wouldn't know but it depends on the specs. If you have at least 4 cores older machines can pretty much do anything the typical person would want them for.

[@half-qilin]

@@chriscalderon1337 Maybe on PPC. That said, my experience on my MacBook4,1 using Arch Linux would like to argue.

[@xurvis]

I run my 2009 Mac Pro as a Linux Server. Some port forwarding and dynamic dns and anywhere is home :-)

[@the_mariocrafter]

@@chriscalderon1337it can be used as a Chromebook-like setup but more free so you can run Wine and basic productivity software offline plus productivity and customization

[@exequiel_hyan]

6:23 - "Loud Fucker" made me laugh out loud.

[@flaviobacci3084]

I have an old iBook G4, it's my main hub for playing vintage games, testing Macintosh garden software and transferring it via FireWire to other vintage macs wich don't connect to the internet

[@Luke357]

If I didn't game and wasn't spoiled by high performance machines because of it I could easily live with an older laptop just fine for all my usage.

[@dkjones4798]

I have a 2010 Mac Mini-last one with an optical drive and it's connected to my main TV & my 2003 5.1 Sony receiver for watching my DVD collection & listening to ripped CDs on the the old iTunes software via an attached FireWire 800 HDD. I like that it doesn't take up much space.👍

[@stevejohnson1321]

My 2010 imac runs Debian just fine.

[@OctavioGaitan]

Do what I do... turn your old unsupported vintage Macs into retro gaming machines. :)

[@citroenfan8930]

I have a 2012 Mac Pro 5,1, which have had from new, with a metal GPU, 64GB ram and a USB 3.0/3.1 card. With OCLP have Sonoma installed. Do a lot of graphic work, adjusting scanned photos and making large prints up to 44" wide via Gimp. This machine has plenty of power - and frankly - would be sufficient for the vast majority of users. And I can fix it myself, if needed. And the internal storage available is, basically, limited by only one's budget.

[@SantiagoSalse]

Great video and nice narration Subscribed! And just got an iPod nano for offline music without notifications or distractions

[@redesignedlife777]

Sold my 2012 MacBook Pro and 2012 Mac Pro…. Got amazing use out of it but it was time to move on and sold it to someone who can still get good use out of it.

[@coolerking7427]

I took my 2014 mini mac and put Elementary OS on it.. Works pretty good.

[@user-pp3dl8id7r]

As usual excellent content

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

Always appreciate the comments. Thank you.

[@jimcabezola3051]

What's on my screen? Linix. I run Linux on my 2011 Mac Mini and 2015 MBP. They run perfectly nicely on all the stuff I use. I'm fortunate to also have 2 M1 Mac Minis as well. One is run exclusively as a macOS machine (Sonoma for now). The other mostly runs Asahi Linux. It's had Asahi's Arch Linux and Fedora 39. While I've run Linux on it, I had NO difficulty running macOS and even upgrading it from Ventura to Sonoma, I imagine it will update nicely to Sequoia when the fully-polished version come out in September-October. Anyway, the machine ran its normal Linux afte4r the macOS upgrades were done. A few weeks ago, the Asahi Linux people offered a self-installing upgrade to Fedora 40 and KDE Plasma 6.0 desktop. That all ran glitch-free. And the macOS part of the same Mac STILL ran perfectly any time I wanted it to. So... I'm prepared for when Apple stops updating the M1-chipped Macs.

[@geoman1420]

It depends on the Mac model: my MacBookPro (late 2008) runs fine with Ventura (with OCLP) and Linux Mint (dual boot). A PowerPC G4 Mac from 2006 is barely usable with Ubuntu Mate (but at least it can open most web sites correctly).

[@half-qilin]

Personally, my main machine is a 2012 15” Unibody MacBook Pro with the 2.6GHz i7. That latter bit might sound unimportant, but it means that I have double the VRAM as the base model. It’s unsupported by every current major OS (ignoring gigachad Linux), but with a little bit of technical wizardry, I can still run the latest versions of macOS and Windows on it. I can still play the games I like to play on it. It works as my main machine, despite its age.

[@RazerTheDuck]

My current laptop is really starting to show its age considering the unfortunate case i am missing an s and windows key and im starting to make a rather weird decision: I have an old unibody macbook pro 13inch on my shelf of "intellegent human engineering" that I would happily restore and keep my current one running as a desktop to connect to play games OR get a refurbished m1 pro since it has more usefull connectivity than the others in the last few years (i think) and maybe turn these two into art pieces as depicted in the video regardless, its a really good video man! cheers.

[@mitchelldries6628]

as a studio owner, my old laptops come in handy to simply use preview for pdf files of schematics of gear that needs repairing. i'm certainly not dragging a Hammond organ over to my desktop to repair it... the portability of the laptop saves me from the hassle. also, all my "vintage" midi gear can get simple sysex files dumped back and forth via the laptop and usb to midi interface. should these protocols stop working, i'll still figure out how to attach a handle and turn it into a hammer or dustpan...

[@unplugged2432]

Interesting. I have 2 macbook airs from around 2012ish era. Makes me wonder if i can repurpose then or mod them in some way

[@theprestigerklopt5085]

We still have a usable iMac 2012 at home

[@awanetienne1855]

Idk how yours still working, my iMac 2015 died on me, had to give it up lucky you

[@intensifiedhipster]

I think the biggest issue with old machines is the power consumption. I respect the idea of having dedicated underpowered devices in order to procrastinate less (though it does not work on me...), but having a Mac Pro stove that consumes 50+ watts simply idling is just an enormous waste of resources (and money). Plus, non-Retina screens are shit, that's just a fact and it's not debatable. I would not go farther than 2012s Retina MBPs, or 2014 Retina iMacs. Anything older is literally an obsolete garbage that's painful for the eyes OR has too many compromises / stability issues

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

Fair opinion, honestly!

[@theaustralianconundrum]

Every computer becomes redundant over time. I still have my 1981 Sinclair ZX-81 with it's original 16K RAM pack and the appalling build quality. Can I use it now? Of course not.

[@themadoneplays7842]

Unfortunately with Macs they are so locked down to MacvOS that the linux route isnt always the best option, they are the worst company when it comes to this kind of thing (alongside certain Toshiba laptops and chromebooks) the E-waste kings of the computing world.

[@joshuajohnson3296]

I have a 2012 15" MacBook Pro and I love it for editing video and still browsing the web! Surprisingly, with its architecture, 1 TB SSD, and 16GB ram, it's more responsive than my 2015 13" MBP with 3.1 GHz that has only 8GB non-upgradeable ram. In fact, I'm trying to replace this 2015, which is my daily driver, whose heating makes it uncomfortable to type on. Sadly, the 2012 has the same problem. So should I go with a top-of-the-line late 2019 MBP or an M1 if I don't want to deal with cooling problems?

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

Nice machines. I’d strongly suggest M1 from this point onwards. You might regret not moving on from Intel in a couple of years time…

[@joshuajohnson3296]

@@montaguebarnabasltd So then my follow up question would be: do I just get an entry level M1 Air, which are quite cheap nowadays, or do I save to splurge on a high end MBP with 1 TB storage and HDMI ports etc?

[@caver38]

many Macs are unsupported yet continue to be workhorses

[@novandarizkiadhika791]

MBP 2015 15inch ?

[@RougeTheGato]

linux

[@bekim137]

Win10 lite or linux the solution for intel macs

[@kraigbailey]

Why do you still have all these old machines? I have 2. One is my main Mac the other is a media server. When I buy a new Mac I sell, trade in or give away the Mac that got replaced. Simple.

[@WedgeStratos]

I think there's a whole video about it dood

[@seanfaherty]

Put some Linux on there. Get a few more years out of it

[@e.n85784]

install windows

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

On a PowerBook G4..?

[@Agagh]

Install Linux

[@theshadowman1398]

Some are only obsolete online. Offline they are still work horses

[@JackStavris]

Love to give old computeres some use. I’ve heard old laptops, especially ThinkPads and older Macs are the most ideal for writing since they both have amazing keyboards you can’t get today.

[@paulharrison8379]

I run Linux on my Pentium 4 Windows XP PC and my Atom Sony Vaio Windows 7 PC. I run the Raspberry Pi x86 Debian Linux distribution from Raspberry Pi on both PCs. It has an identical desktop to the Raspberry Pi. Both PCs are now faster than they were when they ran Windows. They also get Linux security updates. This distribution also works on Intel Macs.

[@daylighttech]

I recently bought a 2015 MacBook Air 11inch and installed Sonoma via OpenCore boot loader. It's the perfect writing machine (with all notifications disabled and no apps other than IA Writer and Google Docs). Distraction-free, a bit too slow for anything other than writing but a fantastic keyboard, decent battery life and really enjoyable to use. Highly recommended.

[@dominicjrf]

I miss the glowing apple logo. My first Mac is the m3 MacBook Pro. I would pay to have it back. I’ve always adored its looks and esthetics.

[@QUANTUMJOKER]

Have you ever had or used a clamshell iBook G3? The Apple logo on the lid doesn't normally glow, but if you remove a sticker Apple placed inside the lid for some reason, the screen backlight will shine through the cutout for the Apple logo.

[@aliaulman]

Dude you can buy used MacBook pro from 2015 (the last ever glowing MacBook pro) or MacBook air 2017 (also the last of its kind). Those machines still work like a charm especially for the newer MBA 2017 though you can't use it for heavy tasks. I just bought an even older non-retina MacBook from 2012 due to its endless upgradability and it still works like brand new

[@QUANTUMJOKER]

@@aliaulman I have a 2017 MacBook Air, which I upgraded with a 500 GB NVMe drive. :D I also got a 2012 Retina MacBook Pro technically for free. I bought a Power Mac G5 graphics card from a pawn-shop. The card didn't work, so I returned it and traded it for a MacBook Pro of about the same value. This Retina 2012 MacBook Pro now has a 500 GB M.2 SSD, and runs superbly.

[@laurencejohnson4106]

I have a 2008 2.4 GHz., core 2 duo 17 inch MacBook Pro which currently works well with Linux Mint Mate.

[@redm00n748]

Install Linux

[@EvanKennedy12]

Yes but you also could install windows or opencore legacy patcher

[@redm00n748]

@@EvanKennedy12 u sure that windows or new mac os will run decently on an unsupported mac?

[@mechamania]

Get life

[@EvanKennedy12]

@@redm00n748 I mean it could be something like big sur or monteray whitch still supports most of the latest apps while being 3-4 years old

[@冗]

PUT ARCH LINUX ON IT WITH A LIGHTWEIGHT DE!!! I havent even watched the video yet and i already know what to do.

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

Yeah cheers for watching mate!

[@hansramirez6564]

what do you do? hand it to me, i'll put linux on it then i'll keep it lmao

[@williamjames9211]

Keep up the uploads dude, loving them.

[@jk-474]

I use Open Core Legacy Patcher to install Sonoma, then I use Boot Camp to install Windows 10 on one sector of the drive, once in 10 I upgrade to 11 as quickly as possible, for gaming I seem to get better frames on my Thinkpad P51s and other Windows machines running 11 over 10, just making sure not to install Recall and Copilot with it and BOOM; 2 of the most up to date OSes running smoothly on hardware from 2012 and up from what I’ve found! If you upgrade to 2TB and split each partition equally, it’s like having 2 modern computers in one with prices lower than the WORST Windows stuff that’s new 🤣🤣👏🏻👏🏻

[@sparksfly13]

i still daily a 2009 13' Macbook Pro! it has a brand new battery, SSD, and 8GB of RAM. it does all i need, and even does pretty okay at web-browsing still!!

[@Locky2701]

I have 2 Mac Pro mid 2012,they run macOS Sonoma with Opencore Legacy and they also run Linux Mint. I believe your Mac Pro 2010 is okay for that too

[@coolerking7427]

You can put Linux on it or put Open Core on it.

[@JohanDee]

No problem use Open Core and your Mac is like new again 😂❤

[@Pressbutan]

The PowerPC era really is pretty vintage but they have a ton of life in them so long as you keep the workload tuned to it

[@Pressbutan]

2:00 Even the earlier “late 08” 17” MBP is a very usable thing, though you’re limited to Mojave with dosdude patch or Mavericks (iirc) natively. Those old Core2s are hot and power hungry but still incredibly usefulness

[@Pressbutan]

-ness

[@songsan807]

I wanted a 2009 MBP and the 17 Inch MBP when they first came out but was not willing to spend a ton of money for them. About a month ago I got a few 2009 MBP and 17" MBP for like $40 each. After adding another 8GB of Ram and to an SSD they run great. One thing to play around with next is OCLP. The unsupported Macs are great learning machines to tinker with.

[@peterparker2068]

I still use my 2012 macbook pro 15". It was peak value for consumers that allowed users to swamp components and upgrade RAM and drives instead of pay Apple ridiculously high upgrade prices.

[@ColinsCity]

How do you get your microphone to work so you can record from it on your macbook? I thought i had it set up correctly but it still recorded from the internal microphone. I have followed so many tutorials and it never worked either on my 2009 and 2015 macbook pro's

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

I use Audacity - bunch of great features, entirely free. You can select your input and output there, and rescan audio devices manually etc. If you want to do it in MacOS’ settings then it’s under sound input I believe.

[@benjsmithproductions]

still use my 2016 Sierra to use 32 bit programs

[@user-pp3dl8id7r]

Apple event 2024=OCLP RIP?

[@therobyouknowtv]

Zorin OS Pro will be installed on my mac book air 2015 11 inch i7 8gb 512gb when macOS support ends. Zorin OS is the most polished linux ive seen and works well on my tablet pc, all touch gestures. The OS doesnt make excuses for itself, nor be half baked because it's linux, nor expect the user to tolerate partially working features, making a virtue out of expecting them to fix it for themselves.

[@tomskitv]

My G4 cube looks timeless next to my 2013 trash can studio pro.

[@dominicpascal5512]

1999 / early 2000's was Apple's peak design phase. The cathode tube based iMac in plastic case and colors and the G4 "desk lamp" iMac. The Power Mac in blue-green and quicksilver. The cheesegrater Power Mac G5 which was kept in its form up until the trashcan. All are absolute design icons and classics. Now all Macs look absolutely boring. They're boxy with rounded edges. Reduced to the max with no soul. Nobody will remember or collect them.

[@michalsulicki5148]

Heh, thats the true :) I was creating a lot of video production files on g4 1.67 powerbook, really a hell of photoshop edition, making 3d graphics with cinema4d r11, playing wonderfull games like Commandos, Neverwinter2 and so on - and now, all what can be done, is just writting a text or listen to music ;) You know what a problem is ? Zero, totally zero software and network optimization in todays. Remember amiga?

[@ogdan1173]

You can run debian for ppc or old intel cpu.

[@barkmonster]

It depends if you connect it to the net and use it as a consumption device. Not got anything older than a 2012 Mac Mini and a Mac Pro from the same year for more intensive tests that are both heavily upgraded and dual boot Ubuntu and MacOS (With OCLP so I’m not stuck on Mojave and Catalina). A friend uses a core 2 duo 2009 MacBook Pro for multitrack recording using Garageband, his guitar collection and a looper pedal.

[@soloflo]

Linux Mint. Two amazing words. It’s actually even easier to make a USB boot drive and install than MacOS or Windows.

[@TrainLoverYT394]

Just keep your obsolete Macs!

[@Alex2OC]

I have CaseMod a PPC G4 to a mATX Hackintosh and now ist the intel era over too

[@connors3356]

I have so many cheesegrater mac pros that i have slowly been stacking them in my basement as a load bearing beam

[@joshuat502]

If you have too many I am a teen who loves retro tech and lives in London so if by chance you don’t want one I’ll take it.

[@Someaccount-whatelse]

@@joshuat502 Where are you located in London?

[@connors3356]

@@joshuat502 sorry i live at 12000 ft in a small rocky mountain town it would be an exorbinate amount of cash to ship to london, but keep up your passion for tech i get my macpros from decomissioned pet photography studios and out of business bird internet stores

[@JapanPop]

I use a Mac SE to do my distraction-free writing. No joke.

[@odd_ish5347]

My boyfriend is a graphic designer and still uses a 2012 unibody 15-inch MacBook Pro for his private work at home. I lent it to him two years ago because, at the time, his old Mac gave up on him and he didn't have the money to buy a new machine. Two years later, he still uses it and it works great even with several programs open. Even though he will upgrade to a new one soon, it's still amazing to see that it has held up for this long, and I will keep it alongside my other vintage MacBooks :) ps: I'm watching this video and writing this comment on my personal 13inch 2015 Macbook Pro which is still fast enough for all my needs.

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

Oh hell yeah. Two great Macs.

[@theaustralianconundrum]

@@montaguebarnabasltd The 2015 Retina 13" Macbook Pro is a GREAT Mac. The 2012 isn't even close as it's so chunky with that redundant built in slot loader drive and it's really average display.

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

@@theaustralianconundrum honestly it comes down to opinion more than anything. If you’d use the disc drive then it’s the perfect thing. The upgradeability is loved by so many, too.

[@lucasgill-uz3kv]

I have a 13 inch 2015 macbook air and it runs sonoma as well as it runs monterey, still using it as a daily driver.

[@christophernielsen9962]

crazy quick upload schedule. great uploads my guy

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

Thank you, much appreciated!

[@JimmyHodge698]

I put Microsoft Windows on my older 2013 intel MacBook Air

[@darensamuels5208]

If your old Mac can run High Sierra, which has a built-in Time Machine Server, you can have a great Time Machine backup and file server on your home network. I used a 2011 MacBook Pro for this for several years and it was very capable.

[@rorywalters1614]

As an iPod user, I’d say old Macs can be good base stations for iPods. I don’t personally have a truly unsupported Mac (My macs still get security updates), I know the older unsupported Macs have one thing that newer Macs don’t have: iTunes. MacOS since Catalina removed iTunes, and since then we can only organise our music libraries in Music and sync through files, which is really annoying. iTunes was pretty hated for those who don’t use iPods or who use PC, but it’s quite useful to us. Now I’ve heard since Ventura there’s been problems on syncing iPods with Macs, old Mac became even more valuable to us. Although there’s still a Windows version of iTunes, it SUCKS! You can’t even change the location of your library, every time you relaunch iTunes it rests back to the default C drive path. I just hate seeing too much space occupied in my C drive partition, my music library is now at 80GB and it keeps growing.

[@intensifiedhipster]

You can install iTunes on modern macOS with the Retroactive tool.

[@Rayu25Demon]

Buy a new mac and stop holding garbage in side your house

[@samcarmant7042]

Can you turn it into a Chromebook?

[@gjermundification]

Mine run arch GNU/Linux, it's amazing for simple stuff, krita, [neo]vi[m]

[@Morrow420]

I use my late 2013 13" MBP for movies and news, and writing only. When I go camping it is the perfect device to haul in the backpack.

[@VanillaSpooks]

I know what’d I’d do with mine. It rhymes with gheese crater

[@BorisaComputers]

G3s or G4s put Linux on it. About 2010 onwards put OpenCore Patcher on it and run either OS 11, 12 or 14 depending on its age (avoid OS 13 coz it is crap), Most things 2014 and onwards can run OS 14 with OpenCore Patcher

[@BorisaComputers]

I have a 20" iMac G4 with 1.25Gb RAM still running OSX 10.5.8 and there are many things it can still do. iMac G4 has excellent speakers, even with an old PowerPC VLC it can still do internet streaming radio

[@BorisaComputers]

Whatever OS you have, no cloud, so social media with an admin and standard account

[@svntana700]

2019 MACBOOK PRO LIVES ANOTHER YEAR LETS GOOOOO 🦅🦅🦅🦅🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@augustobt.]

Hell yes, Mezzanine

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

@@augustobt. oh from my music library? Nice spot lol. Banger.

[@protocetid]

Bro always asks us what is on our screen after he has told us over and over again what should be on our screen. /dumb joke

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

I think I should rename my channel and take the question mark out so it looks like I’m telling people what’s on their screen, that could be funny I think.

[@protocetid]

@@montaguebarnabasltd I like it the way it is now but either way would work.

[@glasseffect]

1. Linux 2. Windows 10/11 IOT LTSC (as per hardware).

[@willm5032]

I've relegated my old 2008 mac pro to a video capture device. I've got an old VHS camera I use to film stuff and it has a firewire output. 2008 mac pros have firewire ports. Considering i'd need two adapters to do the same thing with my daily driver mac it's a much better option. It's still a fun project machine to fart about with as well.

[@flipkibblez]

2007/2008 macbook pro 15 is my fave macbook but sadly most of them die due to faulty gpus. I've gone through many. my last one died a few months back. I could get the gpu replaced with a revised one but there's no one in my area that does that kind of work.

[@duncan-rmi]

2007 17" mbp here, very good shape. worth a few bob, you say? 🤘

[@d.r.martin6301]

Wow! You write in Latin! That's really something. Anyway, I use my '09 white Macbook for writing my novels, with an old version of MS Office. But I don't write in Latin. Great old machine, love it.

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

I love the enthusiasm but I’m afraid that was sample text. Anyway, love the white MacBooks. Cool machine!

[@steampunkstar_raisin]

Keep up the good work. #interesting

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

#thankyou

[@MarioSarabia-l2o]

Hey man love your content ! But I was right that the 2019 MacBook pro 16`s got the newest Mac OS, long live the Intel's!

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

Thanks! Yeah absolutely. I’m a big Intel Mac fan. Their time is limited, though, for sure.

[@ali99_82]

Do you use AI voiceover? Which one is it

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

That’s my voice lol

[@ali99_82]

@@montaguebarnabasltd you have a wonderful voice, like the ones in nature and space documentaries.

[@ali99_82]

@@montaguebarnabasltd what mic do you use?

[@montaguebarnabasltd]

@@ali99_82 thank you so much man, that’s really sweet. I use the Neewer NW-700.

[@anthonyjfynvmb5275]

Just get an optical drive for your Mac I don't get what the want of having every port possible on one computer, especially with these ports are huge and take up so much space that you're much better off just taking he don't go whenever you want to use it I don't think I'll use an optical drive every single day so having a dongle is much more intuitive as it allows the computer to have more space for other things instead and it allows me to remove it as often. If you do not know, optical drives get damaged easily and overall get dirty inside. There's a bunch of issues I've experienced with these port as it's hardware and very mechanical. I'm much rather the repairability and interchangeability and removal of the dongle optical, which are pretty cheap, especially online

[@shade221]

> Mac I don't get what the want of having every port possible on one computer, especially with these ports are huge and take up so much space as opposed to having multiple huge dongles sticking out of your "portable" computer?

[@anthonyjfynvmb5275]

@@shade221 well, of course, it is still portable, even more portable than ever as you have more battery now than hardware and the hardware is easily implementable and interchangeable on who you are as an individual

[@anthonyjfynvmb5275]

@@shade221 Thunderbolt does the job as it allows you to customize the port the only awkward thing is the dongle can sometimes hang off but I still enjoy the flexibility it provides

[@shade221]

@@anthonyjfynvmb5275 it's not really portable if you need a bunch of tumors attached to it to use it effectively. like, sure, okay, no optical drive, whatever, i'll live. but anything less than 4 USB A ports, a display output, ethernet, an SD card slot, and a headphone jack is inexcusable.