Social miracles (Agnes Callard & Robin Hanson)

Minds Almost Meeting: Season 8, Episode 4.
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Imagine two smart curious friendly and basically truth-seeking people, but from very different intellectual traditions. Traditions with different tools, priorities, and ground rules. What would they discuss? Would they talk past each other? Make any progress? Would anyone want to hear them? Economist Robin Hanson and philosopher Agnes Callard decided to find out.
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[@Geosoli]

This was great. Been a big fan of Agnes and Robin for a long while; I had no idea they had a podcast together. My god I have a lot of episodes to catch up on.....

[@kidsparrow77]

Aren't all apologies in some way an acknowledgement of that I acted in a way that was overly self-centered? That's the avowal part = I admit that I was acting in my own perceived self-interest. The second part is perhaps less a disavowal of that same self-interest and more the acknowledgement that the interests of other selves are also valid. So I apologize to you for not properly taking into account your interests, out of my own ignorance or self-absorption. An apology is successful when I can demonstrate that I learned something-I understand your interests better so I can model them in my own mind in the future. They have become more real to me in the way my own interests always feel real. An apology fails when I can't demonstrate new learning or understanding of your interests-or that even if I do understand, I don't respect them or consider them as valid as my own. What am I missing?

[@joshhickman77]

Apologies embed the notion, implicitly, of repentance. You can both claim you freely chose something that you now disavow because you've undergone a change of heart. (Perhaps you'll get to this idea later)

[@joshhickman77]

Just got to when Agnes refers to apologies as a post-Christ social phenomenon haha excellent