Socionics - Alpha Quadra

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

I’ve been really enjoying your socionics videos lately- your lack of blatant bias or negative stereotyping is a breath of fresh air

[@fabe8947]

Finally learning Socionics. Dont know ab others.But so far you unpack the delivery pretty well for me. Glad I stumbled. Hoping the flare will be gradually picked up though. Keep em coming

[@kevinvictor911]

How would differentiate between Alpha and Delta. They seem similar. Even LII and SLI.

[@treblestrings6263]

Howso? I kinda see Betas as more similar to Alphas, but I don't think that's exactly logical, it's just "vibes wise."

[@kevinvictor911]

@@treblestrings6263 They both value Ne-Si.

[@glennzone12]

Alphas care more about theories and ideology. Deltas are more pragmatic.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

Great summary

[@okn3297]

How’d I pin point my type, then test says LII but I’ve gotten all of the quadras, I relate to this and beta the most.

[@PracticalSocionics]

How about Se vs Si?

[@BokunokanoneP]

What's the difference between SF Gamma and SF Alpha tho?

[@PracticalSocionics]

@@BokunokanoneP They value different elements and in a different combination. Alpha SF types value Si, Fe, Ne, Ti. This makes for types that like positive , comfortable social environments. Gamma SF types value Se, Fi, Te , Ni. This makes for types that can be good a socially sizing up people as good or bad people that can be personally helpful or not. They typically are less positive and don’t value positivity as much as the Alphas. More competitive and goal oriented

[@Wes-Tyler]

There really doesn't seem like there's too much to this quadra. Fun seems to be the core theme. - Fun spending time with others, the more the merrier, everyone's invited. - Fun learning, the more non-serious and theoretical the topic, the better. - A huge devaluation of real life - what is useful, what is beneficial, what is practical, what is true. Those things are too serious and stressful and boring and disharmonious with fun. - A huge devaluation of personal preference in all things. We should go with the flow of whatever pleases the majority consensus and have a good attitude about it and stay open-minded and laid-back. - We should refrain from giving our own authentic opinions on things. Keep it positive, and reflect back to others what we think they want to hear. Don't tell the truth if it's negative or disharmonious with what they want to hear. Be supportive of their emotions at the expense of being useful and honest. - We should not discriminate against or exclude people we don't like. Even people who kill the mood and harsh the vibe are still welcome if they behave, and we will take ownership over their mood and try to control it to keep them happy and pleasant enough to be around. Hopefully they will choose to leave on their own ;) And then we can pretend that we tried to include them and that the problem is just them, not us. - Dumb down everything so that no one struggles or has a hard time. Challenges are not fun! Things should be easy and not forced. Objective measures of success are devalued and dismissed. Who cares if you didn't learn anything at all, at least you had fun right?????? Who cares if you suck at your job and drag the whole team down with your dead weight, at least you're super chill and cool 😍 you're such a vibe!

[@treblestrings6263]

This is inaccurate on all levels. I recommend you try to hang around more Alphas and try to establish your views of them from the ground up, because socionics doesn't do the best job of portraying them in my opinion. There are bozos who are exactly like what you describe, but that doesn't describe the Alpha Quadra in general.

[@Wes-Tyler]

@@treblestrings6263 I’m constantly surrounded by Alphas. They are everywhere. They are exactly how I describe, most especially the Alpha extraverts. SEIs are one of my favorite types though ❤️

[@treblestrings6263]

@@Wes-Tyler And you still think that there isn't much to the Alpha Quadra? Interesting.

[@fabe8947]

Leave on their own, then pretend we tried ... XD 😂

[@redefinedliving5974]

Oh God I already hate them 😂

[@jaredvaughan1665]

SEIs (ISFp) in Socionics is generally the exact same person as an ISFP in mbti. The only difference is intuitives that contributed to mbti theory got the introverted sensing stacking wrong. Whereas the Eastern European intuitives that created Socionics did not. My ISFP brother shares the values on the Alpha Quadra. My ISFJ mother is Gamma.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

@fabe8947 Because in Socionics FiSe = Caretaking = ISFJ = SiFe = Taking care. Similar to how in English, "John threw the ball" is written as "John the ball threw" in other languages.

[@fabe8947]

@@jaredvaughan1665 your reply showed up after i deleted my comment. I heard it wrong. He clearly says 0:24 LII as INTj. (Not ILI) Still wonder if all Socionics Models got the exact same labeling. Like is there any MODEL in Socionics that has got ISFJ instead of ISFp for SiFe types. That is only using captial letters.

[@fabe8947]

I think mentioning first two cognitive stack in bracket is a good idea to avoid confusion. Atleast for beginners for me who started out from POP TYPOLOGY.

[@yucheung5853]

Noooo I am sei but my ne is much better than a typical isfp in mbti lol. And I'm much less self-assertive and more verbal in my head (I notice a lot of isfps don't have an internal monologue). But the problem is "how can you get an accurate typing when the system is flawed in the first place" like I got typed as intp in mbti it's quite funny😂

[@yucheung5853]

​@@jaredvaughan1665 nooo caretaking is also si in socionics lol. If fise is caretaking then see is a caretaker in socionics as well, which is totally not the case