Socrates Takes on a Bully-Plato's Republic, Book I

Socrates and Thrasymachus argue about justice, and in the end the argument turns on game theory; Book I of Plato's Republic. ‪@PhiloofAlexandria‬

[@ibmor7674]

Thrasymachus has always been one of Plato’s most interesting characters to me. In my own readings I never felt that Socrates proved him wrong decisively. Your break down helped me a lot. Thank you.

[@krumbergify]

Thank you so much for these videos. You manage to be both clear and entertaining :).

[@deprogramr]

Thanks for this. Socrates' dialogues are incredibly interesting, and the topics and players seem to echo into today's internet discourses. Amazing that people just keep having the same arguments over and over without apparently reading the originals?

[@lordawesometony2764]

Thrasymachus: “you’re the real bully Socrates!” **runs off crying**

[@jenslyn87]

Hope you’ll be back with more videos! They’re excellent. Sound quality in this one is poor, though :-)

[@cjortiz]

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on this. I'd expect the emergent properties of the universe to reveal that life is a [+] sum game, in which cooperation becomes the dominant strategy, no matter what. Especially knowing how well he goes on to prove that it is better to be just, even if thought unjust, than to be unjust, and thought just.

[@CjqNslXUcM]

The properties of the universe set the stage for life, but cooperation only has a meaning in the context of life. The very existence of multicellular life proves the dominance of cooperation in a maximally competitive darwinist space.

[@krumbergify]

Actually Ayn Rand would agree with Socrates in this case :) She would call it “rational self-interest”.

[@123sLb123]

socrates is right in the fact that he doesnt risk his soul by being just to everyone, but there are gonna be people who are going to predate on that, and so hes gonna commit injustice by helping wickedwilled ones, thats why he lost protection and got poisoned probably

[@burnteasy]

Great video professor! Hope you're doing well :)

[@mileskeller5244]

Professor Brovenac, FYI the audio is really bad for the first part of thus video sir but then gets better in the last half . I appreciate you greatly as always.

[@PhiloofAlexandria]

Ah! I may be able to fix that.

[@oldsachem]

one of your best.

[@oldmanfigs]

Justice and uprightness has a core of ( good faith) intention.

[@billc3114]

Oh yes! I love Socratic dialog.

[@fas1840]

Thank you for the video. I really enjoyed this one. Can you please make a video about the so-called Socratic fallacy?

[@PhiloofAlexandria]

Great suggestion!

[@dixztube]

Probably my favorite book after the idiot

[@oldsachem]

Professor Bonevac, what if what the ruler does is not a mistake, but intentional? What should we the weak do then?

[@PhiloofAlexandria]

Good question!

[@PhiloofAlexandria]

I need to think about that.

[@esalim]

I want to give you a good mic! This is to important to have a sound environment like this.

[@rckli]

If you only do right, how do you take a left? Justice is doing what’s to the benefit of the whole without negatively affecting the individual - the grant the consequences they demand, and not any further. Someone who knows they’re harming you should never be treated the same as someone who doesn’t know they’re harming you, yet it’s recognized both do an equivalent harm? Ridiculous! Someone who does it on purpose is guaranteed to repeat the offense whereas an individual who doesn’t do it on purpose can be “educated” It’s up to us as a society to prevent repeat offenses, not to punish people for their actions.. The question is: how do we as a society determine when an individual will repeat their behavior? How do we know it’s ok to jail a murderer if they had motive to kill that person? (Such as a rapist being murdered by the person he raped - it is very unlikely this person will murder again yet how could we know they aren’t going to go after others they deem “rapists” in the future?) Such an interesting thought

[@kallianpublico7517]

Maybe the Greeks didn't know what justice was? How did Plato or Socrates come by the conviction to reject the bully's ideas? Their worship of the Gods? The religios practices of Greek society? Their involvement in legal practices and law? It is one thing to talk about justice, it is another thing to live a just life. Justice derived by logic, is it the same justice derived by force? Logic and meaning are two different processes. Being just and what justice means are derived by an internal process and an external process, respectively. Meaning is contextual, logic is pretextual.

[@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858]

_I believe Milton Erickson is actually the reincarnation of Socrates_

[@lotuscenterfilms4758]

Wow! Thrasymachus sounds a lot like Donald Trump. Fascinating!

[@PoetryBirdsFly]

💞🌍🌎🌏💞

[@Rj-cl1zw]

Dude… is there a rattler sitting next to you…!? And you’re just sitting there talking about Societies?!

[@coimbralaw]

Your brain is too addled by drugs to make a content statement