SoD, Phase 4, Paladin Gearing and PvP Guide More Detailed

TLDR talking at length about what to do as Deep Ret and other builds sense Blizzard thought it was a good idea for Paladin PvP gear to have NO INT on it. Bleh!
Its not THAT bad... but its still sucks. Workable, but WTH

[@GolemiqKukuruz]

Finally happy after watching a vid of yours ... the info in this video is very good , I was going in a similar path , but changed a few things around after watching it ... the only bad thing is that the dmg is in the gutter , playing holy/prot (with holy shock) currently , survivability is insane ... but maan the dmg in not very high .. well not very high when fighting shamans i mean , all other classes are doable pretty ez, shaman just has so much survivability , and his dmg output is not hindered too much by all of that surv ( living shield and riptide alone keep em up pretty good vs my dmg output ), dont have an answer to them yet , always comes down to me hardcasting heals while he bashes me with lava bursts 1 minute into the fight ... ( NOTE : I dont have a lot of fire ress , jsut sitting at 110 with fire res aura , but dont want to swap 100hp enchants for fire res , since they are good vs all other classes , especially rogues )

[@pallytime2156]

1. There is no Knightly Long of the Eagle... best you can get is bear. 2. Use Edward the odd or Flurry Axe or just anything fast and 1 handed. Hakkari Manslayer also good.

[@GolemiqKukuruz]

@@pallytime2156 I reverted a bit tbh , i think everything is still too low dmg for you to be a threat in practise ( since my last comment fought other shams , feral druid who stayed in bear form and just did 1.5k crit every 5 sec , which i couldnt outheal without cc , and even if i did i just cant pressure him enough to get him low enough to be killed in hoj or anything liek that , warlocks just heal too much ) , now i would not want to get this info out as I like to keep these things to myself , but i think best is deep ret , get a big hitting weapon and do seal twist into double judge combos , u can do rep -> seal twist double judge , if they trinket , hoj -> do the same -> if they remove that ( blink ) , granade -> do the twist + double judge , ive been in orgrimmar since 2 days and the combo is doing at minimum 3k dmg ( MINIMUM ) , with 20% crit i often get it to do 4-5k dmg in a 0.4 sec window , even if they survive somehow u can finish off with exo or hammer [if u cant get them in a stun u can always do the same in bubble :) they cant stop u, also gnomish death ray + engi bomb/charge u can use for 100% guaranteed kill , nothing they can do literally ] , as much as i like this healing strat with all the healing gear and stuff and the resets on holy shock feel great , in practise its just not enough dmg ( and i play with arcanite reaper with faithbringer it will be even worse )

[@pallytime2156]

@@GolemiqKukuruz Use Shield vs Teddy bears and cats. Its a Mana war / CD war. They want your bubble without using Frenzy Regen. Get yourself a nice fast 1 hander... JoL or JoW whichever you prefer. And make you dying there problem. After about 1m of fighting the druid will run low on Resources and you can go for the kill.

[@GolemiqKukuruz]

@@pallytime2156 will give it another go with 1h/shield , but this puts the dmg even lower ... i know what u try to say with the attrition war , but i might run out of mana before him with unlucky procs :D ( i could be jsut hardcasting FoL but that would reduce my dps by like what 99% :D , i still cast a few tho to keep the shield HoT uptime as much as i can ) (also still missing some gear , especially healing power pieces to give it a try at full power , but got most of whats needed , except good rings and 1/2 off pices which could be better ) will see , need to test some deep ret vs them aswell , if i manage to get a few twist/double judge on him before taking too much dmg , he is done ( aka make him use frenzy before i use bubble ) , but not that ez to find properly geared people that are ready to pvp , most run with full pve gear which is like no challenge at all for deep ret

[@pallytime2156]

@@GolemiqKukuruz I got gear and will be looking to duel soo so I will find out one way or the other

[@StevenBonez]

Yea idk what blizzard was thinking not putting mana on the ret sets at all, the rank 10 set has no mana but has spell power, the T1 set has no mana and has holy damage and fire resist…both sets kinda suck though lol.

[@Sodacacik]

do you know if the aegis 30% shield block value stacks with the shield specialization talent 30% shield block value?

[@pallytime2156]

Stacks yes... but its +60% total

[@williamseay3400]

Do you have links to a talent spec?

[@Sully6615]

I use the helm/chest and tank with pvp gear. Works fine, would I like int obvi but if you don’t feel like doing .5. I did everything but those. Going to replace with tier asap.(have 4set atm) Wish they release rank 14 gear and weps are much better.

[@stigblue]

Just got faithbringer as shock eye Pala. I can't seem to find your talent tree for that spec. What was it again?

[@pallytime2156]

31/3/17

[@stigblue]

@@pallytime2156 Thanks! I did look at some of your other videos just now for a few hours. Especially at the reck-eye spec. With faithbringer i'd imagine it would be quite good. But i wonder if i should put 18 points in the ret tree to take seal of command too? because my swing speed is 3.7, so it might be better than righteousness for both specs anyway?

[@pallytime2156]

@@stigblue the 3 points in prot you can do with as you like. They are in Redout for Anti-Rogue specifically and maybe hance shaman

[@FaithOrFearHD]

Is sword and board Ret reckoning a thing?

[@pallytime2156]

@@FaithOrFearHD Yes but only vs certain matchups. Rogue, Warrior, Cat Druid come to mind. VS any spell caster the question becomes why not 2 hander?

[@theduncanthetank]

The lack of intellect does hurt. You either triple crit and delete someone or lose.

[@Nistrin]

Real shame that they removed int off the ret set. Not a fan of mixing and matching holy gear and ret off pieces. But i guess you gotta do what you gotta do

[@hysteri4]

They have to make up their fucking mind regarding INT and commit to it. Either they go the classic route and put good amounts of int on every ret item, or they do it like the later expansions and just give us warrior gear with all our mana regen coming from skills with very high % base mana regen (like buffing CS to 15-20% of base mana restored). Right now we have the worst of both worlds.

[@user-hf9kj3qi2h]

how come you used ony trinket and not the neckless ?

[@pallytime2156]

You can you both or ither or if you like. But you gain FR and Lose Mana and +healing. FR has a cap at about 160. Going above 160 sees only minors gains. And I hit that FR already so I looked for other stats for Neck.

[@user-hf9kj3qi2h]

@@pallytime2156 any chance i could talk with you in private ? i am playing on ERA classic and i just lvl'd my paladin to 60 few days ago. I have really good gear but i am for 101 % absolute bis gear for pvp and ofc heals pve. Like i need lots of information as to what is good.

[@Formonn]

What do you think about tier 0,5? Got int, str, stamina on it it seems.

[@pallytime2156]

To low HP.