Soft power play tables for VEGA in crossfire or single card

[@samcan9997]

*and this is how i had my vega FE drawing 600A on the blower cooler* nice thing is this is still working (19.10.2) well great vid

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

So your the one who is the true master of Gamer Nexus, the one who pulls the strings on Steve's mouth. Subbed

[@D3monicBlaze]

Previously, my SPPT was only for "0000" in regedit. When I took a peek at what I thought I suspected, I found the issue. The new drivers update made a 0001 folder in the registry. Idk why, but I opened up my reg power play file, and edited it to become 0001, saved, applied, restarted, and boom. I have 300% again. Hope this solves anyone's issue.

[@YouTubeDoxedMyRealName]

Power states... You have to increase each state by at least 1mv and 1 mhz to allow the card to switch states under load... If it does not switch states the HBM will be downclocked and so will the rest of the card even if your core clocks up... If the card keeps fluctuating under load increas "HBM voltage" or minimum voltage and increas power theirs some kind of OCP around 350-450... If it tries to use more it will down clock HBM even if your at 40c... The HBM mv cannot exceed P7 mv... If you use Pstates and you mess up the card it will still work in P1 most likely...

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

so how much of a disaster is this one?

[@kopfauftischhau216]

x299 and vega style :-)

[@Quast]

You don't happen to know if there is a registry key, other than ULPS for pre-RX400 generation cards, that would allow to disable the downclocking of the memory speed. Currently I have to "simulate" a second screen within Windows, to keep the series-300 card from clocking down massively in "idle" desktop mode. Otherwise my monitor gets no more signal after about 45mins with the continously decreasing clock-speeds in "idle"(normal desktop usage). Thx :)

[@onurberksunal8996]

Not bad. On a scale 1 to dead Vega fe. It was probably something like rx 480 vrm.

[@nathans3022]

btw- my XFX Vega64 is hitting 1,790Mhz on 1.200V.. 1,855Mhz on 1.225V.. (Liquid Card) I black screen at 1,875Mhz no matter the voltage. So, it just varies on the cards. It is temperature sensitive. Anything over 73-75C @ 1,855Mhz and I black screen while running F@H. At that speed, GPU-Z tells me I am pulling 265-280W GPU Only Power Draw.

[@DeBlackKnight]

Windows key+Ctrl+Shift+B resets drivers in windows, no need for CRU's included .exe

[@blablub6548]

I had very good results changing the core and hbm clock speeds with the powerplaytable. However for some reason the entered Mhz needed to end with a 0 to take effect. (might be that other values would work as well. but some values totally broke the overclocking. it even removed the overclocking settings in wattman)

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

Buildzoid I have put your thoreies to practice. I can get some some crazy undervolting. Find this works a lot like tuning an ECM between the engine and a transmission

[@theagg]

So, looking at the recent 'fun' video from Gamers Nexus where a Vega 56 has its power slider upped from 50% to 242% via the registry edits detailed here, would it also be advisable if adjusting the Vega 56 power play table, to also up the current limit as you did here for the Vega 64 ? (You adjusted from 300A up to 400A) Example, upping the Vega 56 from 50% to 100%, I assume you can safely bump the 300A limit up as well. Or is that not needed or recommended on a Vega 56 ? (Currently I have the Strix 56)

[@Tempest12322]

between a vega 64 and vega 56 without worring about cost, would you go the 64 for that little bit more performance, or just go with the 56

[@ossipeltonen397]

If you are ready to tinker with the 56, you will get pretty much the same performance. If you dont wanna, get 64.

[@abigailpatridge2948]

Second Ossi. You might even squeeze out slightly more from a 56 with tinkering than a 64 with tinkering. Remember, these babies are mostly heat limited, a 56 produces less heat at the same clock speed. It takes some more doing than usual, but the cards can still be tinkered with.

[@Tempest12322]

im planning on watercooling it anyway, so heat wouldnt be an issue

[@abigailpatridge2948]

No, it actually will be still. You'd need some pretty exotic cooling to get where you can run the same clocks on both after flashing a better bios on the 56. The 56, after giving it more room, will outperform the 64 on water. Or get damn close at worst, if you lose the silicon lottery.

[@DerFledderer]

I feel confident of doing this to my liquid Edition, since the vrm is also liquid cooled.

[@sean9267]

Got the powerplay table successfully loaded in the registry and have access to 150% power limit in Wattman. However, it did not help my ASUS ROG STRIX Vega 64. Still can't hit 1600mhz...

[@TheRiderOfTomorrow]

Did you try undervolting + uv+oc?

[@gianlucacaloi]

Same problem with the same card. Do you have solved the problem?

[@TheRiderOfTomorrow]

@@gianlucacaloi yes I have but I dont use that Profile daily. You need to undervolt the card a bit. Since it will either hit the thermal or power limit. Gpu-z helps keep the temps and real voltages in check and usually shows the throtteling-reason as well

[@gianlucacaloi]

@@TheRiderOfTomorrow Do you have the strix vega 64? what are your best overclocking results? i did the fix to the vrm and the hotspot. With maximum temperatures of 45C on the core, 35C hbm and 40C on the vrm it can barely keep up to 1600mHz. The same with the power target at 50% or 150%. If I raise the voltage it consumes more but the core clock drops

[@TheRiderOfTomorrow]

@@gianlucacaloi i have the vega 64 sapphire nitro + but my vega 56 behaves very similar. Undervolting is the key not more voltage. Try setting p-state 6 to 1050mv and p7 to 1000mv. Thats a good starting point that every vega should be able to run stable. Btw hmb memory oc up to 980-1000 also adds a few fps without too mucb heat increase

[@chaoswar3239]

I have the Asus strix with an watercooler attached on. Never over 40 degrees. So far fine. But what keeps me from higher clocks is the power limit it stucks at 310Watt. Problem: The asus strix card won't let me flash the liquid cooled bios... Even through cmd it just crashes. May this be a workaround for me?

[@nickthelebo]

if i change the 96 to 128 it dosent change anything power limit is still 150 what am i missing

[@enchantress7928]

Because you have to count with HEX numbers. So for + 200% power limit you should not enter 128 but C8. Take the windows calculator and go to programming, there you will see HEX, DEC, OCT and BIN. Press DEC and enter 200 because you want to have 200%, then look at the HEX and you will see C8 there. Place that C8 where you entered 128, restart your PC and watch again.

[@nickthelebo]

@@enchantress7928 ahhh ... thankyou :)

[@YouTubeDoxedMyRealName]

Actually if you use a couple dell workstation fans 150cfm fans vrm cooling is no issue!

[@blazingmatty123]

in theory, if you were to set the 150% power limit, how would the stock blower handle this?

[@Ornal64]

I've got Asus Strix Rog Strix Vega 64. Seems like my card want to hit temps limit 80c everytime. Bought it used and change thermal pad and thermal paste. Can't set custom fan curve in drivers. Do you think previous owner did something with bios?

[@analkarldervierte1759]

Does anyone know how to get the WattMan window to show GPU and memory settings next to each other like at 16:40? On my system it won't do it and I don't know why. And yes, I have all the updates installed.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Mine does it automatically if I strech the window enough.

[@analkarldervierte1759]

And mine goes "well screw you, you gotta do some scrolling". It's still functional, but it's a bit annoying.

[@alastairstedman7840]

Buildzoid how do I get more voltage out of my Vega? I'm on the LC bios that is supposed to give me 1250mv but it only gives me 1200 under load. So I want to apply 1300mv for a 1250mv effective. Because I am at 1780Mhz in driver for around 1750-1770MHz and I really want that 1800MHz

[@Dead1yM]

I have VEGA56 on the 64 liquid bios with EK full block, is it OK to use the power table in the forum because its 64 air ? not 64 liquid ? will it slow any aspect of the card back down to AIR settings ?

[@Dead1yM]

Ive found "RX_VEGA_64_AIO_Soft_PP.reg" on page 1 of forum presume thats "All In One liquid cooler" i'll use that as a base to work from.

[@MrArbeter]

Is there any fast way of unlocking 150% power limit ? Like can i download a powertable that will to the regedit part unlocking 150% . Sorry for sounding lazy but there is no way most people are gonna watch a freaking 21 min video just to unlock 150% . Please reply i want to OC My vega 64 Nitro+ for Microsoft flight simulator coming in a few days

[@eternalbeing3339]

Good luck. Fe simulator crashed my pc with vega 64 4k ultra.

[@ttebroc235]

Indigo Bench GPU 1790MHz-1250mV - MEM 1107 -930mV. Top Vega www.indigorenderer.com/benchmark-results?filter=singlegpu This is a Vega FE, my 1st time overclocking this card, I use it for rendering not gaming. Air cooled parked my Case by the window.

[@TurboD16z6]

I'm so confused, soft power play table vs register power play table,

[@JasperSkallow]

Where can I get the power play table for the liquid version?

[@MERV_]

hitting 1700mhz on my vega 56 now, nice. but is there any way to bypass the 1200mv limit?

[@Bang4BuckPCGamer]

Can you show us how to do this for the Radeon VII please, I'm dying to overclock my HBM2 past 1200mhz and increase the power limit past 20%

[@djs5089]

Quite interesting. My R9 270 doesn't reach 3D clocks when I have ULPS enabled when using unofficial extended overclocking (>1050MHz). So in order to run it at 1100MHz, I need to disable ULPS in afterburner, or the performance will be atrocious.

[@jakegarrett8109]

Weird, is it a single card? I didn't have to do anything like that (I had mine at just over 1400 Mhz) on my reference R9 270 and only if a game didn't push it hard enough would it have problems with clock speeds. Sometimes I had to set it to Ultra, but that was about it. I say reference 270, but I could only get up to 1150 Mhz and survive Furmark with that Intel sized stock cooler, so this was sub zero cooled www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/2hwdz

[@djs5089]

Yeah, it's a single card. It's an Asus R9 270 DualX OC. It used to work without having to disable ULPS, earlier this year it started to require disabling ULPS though. If I don't, the clocks will stay at 150MHz. You got 1150, huh? That's pretty sweet. I can get 1150 working in Firestrike, but it won't survive Valley or Heaven. 1100MHz is stable as a rock across the board though.

[@jakegarrett8109]

Yeah, I had I think around 1200 stable on the wimpy OEM cooler (single fan and Intel sized heatsink), but for keeping it from going past 100c in Furmark, I limited it to 1150 Mhz. I just limited it down for worste case scenario, it was a pretty good overclocker. It may be AMD's new drivers. I know that in the 17 drivers, the HBM overclocking is not working with my R9 Furys (maybe it was for the Vega launch, but I don't think they are working yet). It worked fine in the 16 series drivers. Silicon Lottery, its huge... Testing 4 identical XFX RX 470s, I got 3 to hit 1950 on Vram, but 1 refused to go past 1850 without massive artifacting or crashes. At I think it was about identical settings, I had that same card pulling 270w, but the other 3 were all around 215 to 220w range (measured from wall - idle power). Funny thing is, the lowest ASIC score was one of the best cards, and the high (like 90+%) was the crappy inefficient one that couldn't overclock worth a darn. I BIOS flashed all of these myself with modified memory timings and ramped up the power limits (they power throttled like mad, like 600-700 Mhz on Furmark, and everything was just making them throttle, still even at +50% power, at stock...). So I cranked power limits from 87 up to 140w, and it still throttles stock in some things, so push that slider up to +25% to +50% if you want to run them overclocked.

[@joshuawi99]

Hey what do you recommend to raise the Power Limit on a GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition. I mean software side not actually hardware modding. Thank you very much ;)

[@franzsalenbauch]

afterburner

[@nolaughing5087]

Is there a way to change the temp limit in this power table? I'd like to run the LC BIOS but it throttles on my water loop, the air-cooled bios does not. The temp limit is causing it to throttle as I am close to the 70C limit for the LC BIOS. I'd like the extra voltage without having to use the registry.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

No there isn't the BIOS temp limit take priority over the registry.

[@kgpp2293]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I used the registery edit for the LC124 reg edit on that link and it cause my card to throttle at 60c where if I change the 64gigabyte abit it doesn't throttle till 70c. my card is a gigabyte oc edition

[@nickthelebo]

has anyone figured out how to mod the bios yet bud the liquid bios swap no longer works on the newer drivers and even with this power play modding still feel like im hitting a power limit somewhere on water

[@newbtubetecher]

Question for you. I have Dual AMD 64 Cross fire setup, AS Rock Fatality X399 MOBO, 1000W PSU. When I open GPU-Z your modifications work on one card but the second is showing no load on the sensors. I followed your instructions but it still doesn’t kick on. Any input is greatly appreciated. Everything is up to date.

[@newbtubetecher]

Actually got everything working correctly the other week. Completely wiped windows. Messed with the bios, running like a boss now.

[@benjaminlee2493]

*EDIT* I found my answer after many more hours digging. I eventually found soft PPT's for each different card, so I was able to get the 150% power limit on the V64L BIOS without screwing up the P-State clockrates. Bloody difficult to find the PPT's though, if you have a link perhaps you could add it to the video description! Site note: On the V64L BIOS @ 150% power limit, 1250mv and a 1% OC over the V64L stock clocks, my card maintains 1,750mhz constantly during Firestrike Extreme - stable for hours of stress testing. 1.5% OC is not stable though, so perhaps I didn't get super lucky in the silicon lottery.

[@gabeschafer8014]

can you link the 64l ppt

[@Felix-ve9hs]

Hey, I've got a GTX 660 Ti but it keeps crashing (even at stock) when I play games or run Heaven Loop, but not when using furmark or whem underclocking it ... could the that the caps on the Vcore VRM are dying and cant store enough charge anymore?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the thing with Furmark is it doesn't run at full clock speed so not crashing in it is not super surprising and yes adding capacitors to Vcore might actually help this card.

[@Felix-ve9hs]

Well I guess I'll give it a try then - since the original caps have a rating of 820µF and 2.5V, would you recommend to add caps with the same values? By the way, I once tried to hex edit the Bios of my Zotac 980 Ti omega (same clock speed as the Zotac 980 Ti Extreme + a custom fan profile), but because I almost bricked it I never did something like this again ... XP

[@jakegarrett8109]

If you have duel BIOS, it shouldn't be a problem. Just practice on those types of cards until you are really confident.

[@UndeaKnight]

Dunno if this is a stupid question, but if you put a Vega 64 bios on a 56, would that allow them to be used in CF?

[@ailolen3954]

Do you mean if one GPU is 64 and the other is 56 (flashed to 64)? They should CF anyways....

[@UndeaKnight]

Ail Olen oh I didn't realise that you could CF between different cards?

[@ailolen3954]

I read on some forum (could not find proof anymore) that 56 and 64 is working. When I had my one Vega 56 with 64 bios and the 2nd Vega on stock 56 (system saw them as 56 and 64) they did CF no problems. But I would not advice to get a mixture like that, even if it works fine. Since when you putt Waterblocks on them, like I did, they beat 64 AIR easily. When both 56 & 64 are pushed on water, they are almost equal. Only minor benchmark score differences, no real-life gains (yet). So don`t waste your money, mate:)

[@UndeaKnight]

Ail Olen oh I definitely wasn't planning on that, multi GPU is poorly supported, and Vega is overpriced :P I've got one 1080 that is performing quite well still :)

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

you can CF a 56 and a 64 without doing anything. the main benefit to putting a 64 BIOS onto a 56 is that you get 1.35V HBM voltage instead of 1.25V which lets the card do 1GHz+ mem clocks.

[@analkarldervierte1759]

Man where was that video on Sunday when I needed it? -,-" Anyhow, I downloaded a preset now and my card is not on fire (yet).

[@TheHighborn]

also setting the fan curve, eventually hard locks your system

[@wabash9000]

I'm interested to see if this works on the Radeon 7 when it comes out.

[@2012JRB]

where can i get a better powerplaytable for the Vega FE

[@BRUXXUS]

Seems the new 2020 Adrenaline drivers break this mod. :( I can't find anything out that fixed it. Any ideas?

[@D3monicBlaze]

So I confirmed what you say is true, but I can only solve single card issues. Previously, my SPPT was only for "0000" in regedit. When I took a peek at what I thought I suspected, I found the issue. The new drivers update made a 0001 folder in the registry. Idk why, but I opened up my reg power play file, and edited it to become 0001, saved, applied, restarted, and boom. I have 300% again. Hope this works. Will be listing this as a comment to help all others here as well.

[@SJJKH-x2p]

It creates a new registry, look it up on reg edit and change the number in the mod

[@gameplaybenchmarks3294]

will this work for the fury as well or just the vega cards?

[@crazyforcs]

Has anyone successfully flashed an AIB vega 56 to 64? I tried with my PowerColor Red Dragon and it just go bricked so now I'm on the other bios and I'm not able to reflash it...

[@SJJKH-x2p]

Yeah, I flashed my vega 56 strix to the 64 strix, did you fix your card? What are you using now what happened to the Vega?

[@haguruma7832]

Does this also work with MSI Afterburner?

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

Buildy, is this working on driver 18.10?

[@Apothecarii]

Do a video with game benchmarks in crossfire at stock and OC'd! Nice vid too, thanks!

[@troyn14]

since driver 19.2.2 it stopped working ;/

[@Chris-me1vo]

which one is the last that works?

[@abigailpatridge2948]

I wonder if anyone's figured out the analogue to this under Linux yet. There has be be one. It's probably crammed into /proc somewhere.

[@nickthelebo]

figured if any one knows it would be you or some one here .. has anyone figer'd out a way to mod a vega bios yet and get it to work ??

[@tober1995]

Still workin ?

[@Armi1P]

Why not *FF* ?

[@samcan9997]

because he doesnt want to kill his PSU ;)

[@tomasbrod1533]

This thing can EDIT your power play tables: github.com/kobalicek/amdtweak

[@iheartmysquid]

Hmmm. very interesting now could someone explain this to me? Or more importantly could i just pay someone to do this for me?

[@DerFledderer]

Hehe, I got 9 GPUs in there, deleted all but the one that showed my current Vega 64 LC

[@mrlithium69]

cool

[@KEITHTB12345]

i hate these bad drivers .17.10.1 is broken as far as crossfire goes.....

[@proesterchen]

Second? Wohoo! :D

[@E3kTheCat]

There is a card thats cheaper than vega and faster and you dont have to do any of this shit

[@feltmods]

oh boy im early :D

[@alexanderschwab3593]

What is the latest driver Version this will work?