Sold as a broke horse. Someone could have been hurt.

[@lsroades]

For years I’ve struggled with the term “submissive” in schooling a horse. Watching your videos, I realize that “attentive” is probably the more correct. Submission doesn’t necessarily result in responsiveness; but an attentive horse is more likely to be responsive to the rider.

[@patrickroach7289]

When the seller said he was broke he meant that he the seller was really needing cash.

[@loribaker8339]

Haha! Right??!!

[@retiredairforce5111]

😂

[@blackdandelion5549]

or when you get on what bone do you you plan on breaking?

[@okiegranny4844]

You were SO patient with this boy: your true love of horses shows through.

[@annaingram2429]

I’ve never seen a horse go down like that when saddling. That was scary.

[@lindahayhurst5368]

I have, one of mine did that, when she had some pain in her back. Pulled the saddle off and called the chiropractor.

[@sherw7635]

It scared me too...makes me wonder if he thought he was going to be hurt or has been before while being saddled. I literally jumped when he did that.

[@tracyjohnson5023]

I confess I use the old timers trick of molasses on the bit when starting colts or with horses that don't open mouth. After a few times, they look for the bit lol. Yes, I do fade the molasses out. Another thing I do and I'm sure Tim does is I always check for wolf teeth. Many times that's an issue.

[@SaraNightfire1]

I have seen so many people say that trainers don’t know what they’re doing when they’re told horses have been “broke” and even ridden in auctions (a horse rescue I watch deals a lot with horses like this). Anyone can slap a saddle and bridle on a horse, even a rider, sedate them, and call them broke. There’s so many more aspects to breaking a horse than just having a saddle and bridle on. Great video.

[@Lisa_GalCali]

I am a new sub, and I really like how you never rush anything, and always keep your cool. Nice job.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Thank you.

[@kathleenredick275]

If you lose your cool, you lose a lot...you don't 'win' anything that way.

[@hoptoit5910]

I love your stalls. It’s amazing how many different styles there are around the world

[@asilah3164]

It looks to me that there's a space under the stall partition. That could be dangerous.

[@AM-yt6oz]

You have a great training technique, calm and consistent.

[@pjk1714]

Hands full there but with the right trainer. Thanks for sharing Tim and good morning.

[@oubliette862]

I'm really enjoying watching this man work. Horses aren't my thing I always had unpleasant experiences with them. Probably because they weren't trained correctly, and because I wasn't instructed correctly regarding how to deal with a horse.

[@chrisusher7144]

Ok but a dog

[@chrisusher7144]

Buy oops

[@cynthianauman1358]

The client did the right thing bring him to you for a full assessment and trying plan custom made for the owner n horse great job 🐎 🐴

[@robinfarmer4787]

I really enjoy watching your videos how you interact with the horses and people

[@tesskennedy4959]

Patience. I appreciate you have been doing this for very long time to develop such an amazing level of patience. 🎈🎈🎈

[@therealcoltstonewolfe]

He will probably be a really nice horse with some work. Clearly he's used to ground attention. Grooming and being rubbed on dont bother him. Ok he's a bit pushy. But he's only young and is just starting out. . I think he'll do really well under your care. Nice to see how interested he was in your grooming and hoof picking. Someone has shown him some real care in that. And at least he's not nasty.

[@suetwoponi8163]

Hi Tim, I very much enjoy watching your horse 🐎 training videos. This one your working here was sold as broke. YAY HORSE PUCKIES!! I have started and seen untouched horses and youngsters that know where thier feet are better than this one. He's all over the place. His jerky speed changes are not very becoming to him. His front feet look a bit mucked up on angles in my eyes. I think you do a bang up job handling the horses. It looks like you have a granddaughter to that will be following in your lo BB e of the horses. I love to share about horses, Sue Twoponi

[@firstnamelastname-uq9hr]

Are you sure they said Broke or Broken !!!!I always make the seller ride them,handle them and load them, before i pay any monies, and get a blood test for parasite infections,and dope.Good video the horse has a good chance of a useful life while its with you.

[@Deej496]

Just started watching you. I enjoy your style with horses and ypur keen sense of them as you work around them. Very intetesting.

[@aimeelang7585]

Wow! Amazing to watch you work!

[@maggie2759]

Love your accent and the videos.... greetings from London..

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Lol. Thank you.

[@pjk1714]

Southern accent behind a true gentleman is always endearing, especially when modest and down to earth.

[@danielmorris6523]

@@pjk1714 I love the accent of women like Dolly Parton. Sounds so warm and affectionate/friendly to my English ears. (Edited due to grammar)**

[@58landman]

Lovely little gelding. Pretty confirmation, too.

[@hamwallet8446]

You have to be level headed working with horses and have patience. If they think you’re mad at them they will shut down and get wary around you. Don’t yell, don’t hit them with anything, they’re sensitive and it’s harder to get their forgiveness once you’ve done it. They don’t forget. dont punish and don’t scream at them or cuss at them. It scares them and they don’t like that negative energy being anywhere near them much less having to carry it around on their back. They demand respect and they will definitely let you know when you’re not respecting them

[@Goldenhawk583]

While I gree with just about everything you say, horses are not stupid, and they are experts at reading body language. If a horse charges you, and you give it a good smack to back it off ( and save your own life), the horse will not think you were mean, it will not become afraid of the whip, and it doesnt worsen the relationship. A charging horse has no respect for you, and may be intending to kill you, certainly maim and scare you. If 2 horses fight, they both get whacked, but they understand the reason, and dont hild it against the other horse, Same for humans, if the horse chages and get whacked, it knows very well, it is because it charged.. and that charging didnt pay off. Most times, actually hitting a horse is a no no, but there are times when it is the only way to save yourself, and it is not unfair to the horse.. they get it.

[@hamwallet8446]

@@Goldenhawk583 you’ve got a point there. I guess what I mean is don’t hit a horse that’s been abused by someone else. But sometimes they just don’t care and pisses them off even more I mean I’ve seen a 70 year old punch a pony in the jaw 6 times for biting the shit out of him for trying to put a bit in its mouth tacking them up to pull a little chuck wagon. They were little sale barn special ponies. Mean as shit. They did that to him a lot. I’ll be honest, it was really hard not to laugh. That pony bit him hard af and held on for a second I could see his skin between its teeth. I don’t know what was funnier the pony biting him or the noise he made before he started swinging😂😂😂

[@Goldenhawk583]

@@hamwallet8446 well, that would be an abusive situation.. the pony I mean. Not sure I would laugh at that, more so since the pony clearly had no intent to kill, or the guy would be dead. And ofc you dont just smack any animal, if it has been abused or not. IF physical retaliation is needed, the situation is allready very dangerous. Plenty of dog and horse trainers who hardly ever use force, as they prefer cooperation. Make the horse think its his idea to trailer load for instance, as that way, he doesnt have to walk and walk in circles, but can relax on the trailer. Getting angry at anyone rarely helps, even with humans, keeping your cool helps more...even with humans. Patience, and baing able to communicate what you want, to an animal by showing, rather than forcing, can gain huge changes in very little time.

[@hamwallet8446]

@@Goldenhawk583 very true. I don’t condone abuse or mean to make light of it I just thought it was kinda funny seeing him get bit because he deserved it. however I love horses more than any other creature on this earth. I have since I was a boy about the only thing I’m good at is working with them and understand them on their level and show them a new way of thinking that goes beyond what they already know. They’re like kids you have to teach them manners and some of them legit have mental issues like people and in some cases they really can’t help the way they are and become truly dangerous. In those cases there’s really not much you can do for them except release them. I would never put a horse like that through a sale to hurt or kill someone that doesn’t know it has mental issues and certainly not send it to a slaughter house. It’s best to do a thorough inspection of the animal before you buy it. Because that’s how people get rid of problem horses. You should never buy a horse sight unseen. You have to meet it and see what kind of temperament it has and know what you’re getting into before you commit to buying it. Because if not you can end up with a monster of a horse and be stuck with it

[@Goldenhawk583]

@@hamwallet8446 :) we seem to agree, stay safe:)

[@donnac.1609]

Glad you got this horse to work with! He is a bit spoiled .. and green!

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes he is

[@TheSeNaBi]

Spoiled?

[@msm7927]

Is there a way you can check for ulcers? I believe a response like that during sinching might be a symptom

[@lindabellile5738]

This is EXCELLENT!

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Do the horses there for training get turnout? I liked seeing the barn and the inquisitive horses watching the activity. I also love when your horses stand by the arena and watch.

[@susanmarshall7860]

I wonder if you thought to get him a bodyworker. To me he looked short-strided, roach-backed, and stuck. The "scratch" you talked about looked like a scar and ran all the way back to his hip. I was aching to get my hands on him! I also wondered about saddle fit.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I do a thorough look and hands on every horse that comes in for training. None of those applied to him.

[@susanmarshall7860]

Thank you. There are no good trainers who don't consider body wellness and saddle fit.

[@wakingohiomama9110]

Looks a little painful up front too maybe.

[@randybutler4772]

Thank you for sharing.

[@AdventureHorseRidinginNYS]

Great job

[@robinbunner7799]

Yeah, I've experienced horses picking up their back legs like that when they've had people pick up their back legs the same as they pick up their front.

[@baley9774]

Thanks.... really good video!

[@micheleparker3780]

WOW!! NICE WORK!😮😮😮

[@Angelia117]

How much time does it USUALLY take for sedation to wear off ?? Thank you very much.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

That depends on what they give usually a few hours to a couple days but there is on that lasts about a month.

[@Angelia117]

@@timandersonhorsetraining thanks 👍🙏

[@kathleenredick275]

ALWAYS arrive before you are expected. 😉

[@JulianaBlewett]

The person who sold the horse should be in prison.

[@blackdandelion5549]

This is not the worst thing I have seen sold as "Broke". I've seen ex-racehorses two days off the track be sold as "kid safe" and that person is sadly still selling. Most states don't have laws about this and they target new owners and the people already in the horse community talk and steer clear like they are toxic.

[@opalwind8042]

Left rear leg, ankle and upper joint may have a problem? Running him into mount block and other stuff, is for his attention? The saddle was flopping a lot. May be cause of light bucking. We all have our irritants. 😏

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

So it is OK if a horse bucks you off because they all have their irritants? Sounds like excuses for bad behavior to me.

[@patriciamoed9244]

Just wondering why you didn't get the mounting block out of your way?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Because I want him to learn to pay attention to where he is putting his feet. When train riding does your horse pay attention to where he puts his feet or does he step in holes?

[@juliojames5986]

I liked what all you did….progress was achieved in that short time. I am not fond of the horse, from here, hard to get a good sense….. Thanks, enjoyed and I learned. 👍🏻

[@TrueFansite]

Why did he sort of "collapse" when you first tightened the cinch? First time I've ever seen that. Was it just a fluke or did it repeat?

[@JET17]

He had a sullen look to his ears and expression. Ugh haven’t watched it all but wow!

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I had this horse a good while back. I did several videos of him and he eventually turned out nice.

[@fishmut]

The irony , I think the seller said he was broke ….meanng he was broke 😂 Not the horse 😂

[@tracierendell4422]

This is probably a dumb question. Why do equines need their hooves cleaned? They clearly don't get done in the wild.

[@suetwoponi8163]

Hi Tim, Love watching what you do. May I ask why you don't use the back cinch? Thank you, Sye Twopony

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

You shouldn't assume that since I didn't use it here that I don't ever use it. I do use a back cinch after the horse has learned my leg cues.

[@Liz-gc6gn]

When lunging, why is the step and the other thing in the middle in the way of his path? Is that on purpose?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes it is on purpose. It is so he pays attention to where he puts his feet.

[@Liz-gc6gn]

@@timandersonhorsetraining oooh!!! Thank you so much for this. I’m having this issue with lunging my horse!! He refuses to do anything but try to lope when lunging. I seriously think he does it to scare me so I’ll let him stop. This is brilliant! Do they ever trip?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes sometimes. You don't want anything they can get hurt on. In your case you might put down some big ground poles.

[@cypherknot]

When the horse first gets there, do you do any kind of exam to make sure there is no evidence of disease, lameness, or injury? And if so, do you document it?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Most of the horses I get for training are shipped in from at least a couple hours away and most have health certificates due to traveling in from out of state. The major advantage to that is usually the owners who send their horses to me have invested a good amount of expense in getting the horse to me, so they are usually well taken care of. The owners that would not pay to take care of their horses will not spend the money I charge for training. About the only things I can do immediately is look over their body for snotty noses, cuts, and lame walking. I do have 1 stall separated from the rest and that is where I put new horses for a couple days. If I do notice something I notify the owner immediately.

[@rogereastman3187]

Tim...just a thought I really enjoy your program and expertise. I have a suggestion for your program team. It would be so much better if you had a earpiece, or small microphone in the field. Especially while you were working him in the lunge. It was difficult to hear what you were saying many times. Anyway, I'm no expert, just a suggestion. Thx for your channel

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes I have that for my newer videos. Thank for the suggestion.

[@grace_and_purity]

What does it mean when they chew on the bit like that? Tried a 4 yo the other day who has not been ridden in a few months and he did the same thing. Is it because they aren’t used to it?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Could mean lots of things. You have to consider the whole totality of the horse and the situation to understand what it means.

[@infinity401]

About that muscle in his back that you said could get tight, are you also able to see it tightening or will you only be able to feel it?

[@idellbrown1825]

Something is wrong for sure. Chiropractor needed? Miss treatment sometimes? What the owner says? Previous owner? He's very sensitive. All animals are,but something's up.......

[@nelsonted1]

When I was a kid we had one crazy horse after another. Our second Shetland had no respect for us at all. I had no one who knew horses like him to help us understand how to correct him. He bit us, reared, bucked, kicked. We kept asking for a saddle but our father and grandfather said we had to learn to ride him first. Finally, they got comfortable with our skills and bought a saddle. The first day he reared over backwards trying to destroy the saddle since he knew we could control him with a saddle. I got off in time but he broke the tree in the saddle. Dang him. One day I went out to get the cows home to milk. He decided that was the day he was going to back up. There was nothing I could do to make him stop. He just backed up. Dad was watching from the barn door, laughing. I started watching behind me since the edge of the gravel pit was getting closer. Closer, closer, closer. Then over edge he went. I jumped off landing on the floor but Buster had his front feet hanging over the edge with his back feet on the floor. We stood there for awhile contemplating the situation. Finally I gave him a jerk and he went over backwards. I jumped on the second he was on his feet then made him race around the edge to get to Dad since he'd been watching us go over the edge. He was running toward us when we got there. He was really scared wed gotten hurt. The idiot never stuck himself in reverse again. Another time we'd been riding and stopped at a hay rack parked in front of the barn. Buster began to eat the hay dust. We wanted to ride so we began to pull on the lines, Buster kept eating. I started jerking. That was when he went KUJO! on us and began shrieking at us and began to chase us with his lips peeled back and his mouth open and his teeth sticking out. Since I was first in line I made a couple turns around the wagon and into the barn to get Dad. My sister being second ducked under the wagon. My poor brother was so close to getting bitten he couldn't get away. When my Dad came out the door Andy had jumped the wagon hitch which was still attached to the wagon, then made the corner heading into the length of the wagon. Dad grabbed the horse's lines on the way by and gave the horse a whipping, tuned him up pretty good. He was pretty good with for a week after that then became his usual self......I thank heaven we had that horse since he taught me to respect animals, to learn to ride bareback and be perfectly happy bareback. To understand his moods and to be able to be about a quarter step ahead of him some of the time. One day my sister and I were arguing and pushing at each other over his back fighting over whose turn it was to ride him. Buster got tired of it and stomped my foot then stomped my sister's. Dad looked up and saw us, a kid on each side of him, sitting down holding a foot as we cried. Dad laughed

[@holdyourhorses9842]

Hey Tim. What do you do for a young horse (in training) that sits on you when cleaning the back hooves?

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Usually they do that as a way to get you to turn loose of their foot. I actually was working a pony last week that was doing that exact thing so I'll have that video out soon.

[@holdyourhorses9842]

@@timandersonhorsetraining She knows we let go due to the pressure and weight.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes she knows exactly what she's doing. My plan is to have that video out Tuesday morning.

[@vudooviki]

I had a horse that had narcolepsy that reacted exactly like that when girthed.

[@michaelchason7863]

Hard to believe that horse doesn't just drag you around

[@joymcdaniel6882]

You crack me up when you say “he’s a little pushy“. I had a horse like that one time who did that when you go to feed him. He only did that one time because I got him good at the door. After that, he backed all the way up to the corner when I came in to pour the feed lol.

[@TMesser74]

You became the lead horse in his mind at that moment.

[@Find-Your-Bliss-]

So you hurt him and he was terrified of you? That’s not respect, buddy. That’s a poor way to treat your horse.

[@virginiareznik2715]

Enjoyed the video although it would be helpful if you had a microphone. It’s hard to hear you especially outside.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

This is one of my older videos. All of my newer videos have better audio.

[@donnac.1609]

Willing but not too comfortable a horse! Going thru the motions he did like the brushing ..the saddle and bridle not too much.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Yes. I think this horse had been handled a lot but not ridden much. He is improving quickly. I'll be posting an update video soon.

[@equine2020]

Request the owner/trainer ride it.

[@cherylsmith4826]

Its a shame how little owners know

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Everyone has to start in the beginning.

[@Morkwon1001]

You forgot to pull the saddle pad up in the gullet of the saddle in the front over his withers.

[@dannymcgee7676]

Why not remove the hazards from the training arena? I like to keep the same distance between me and my horse and not chase then while lunging

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

Nope. I've talked about that at length in other videos.

[@dannymcgee7676]

@timandersonhorsetraining still think it's wrong whether you have spoken about it or not, buddy.

[@balkheidi1436]

Maybe it was thaught the english way? That is a whole other deal then with this sadle. Also he could have stomach ulcers. I think he is a thoroughbred?

[@bcazz5202]

Wondering if he has a tattoo. Thinking OTTB amateur trainer, county track.

[@googlamonster5086]

I was wondering that also.

[@mellifera8771]

This horse is definitiv in pain. How sad you dont See this as a professional Trainer. :( IT ist very Hard to watch. Would have also been interesting to See his Movement and behavior without the saddle on. His back and his way of Movement Shows that he is not ok. That is how we move when we have belly or stomage pain. Making a round back and walking stiff. Very sad

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

This horse is obviously not in pain. Don't make up something that is not there.

[@naunettemartin7450]

And you are a good rider on your horse and you know want are doing win you ride a horse Nannette

[@nancysimpson4246]

He is beautiful absolutely gorgeous who is a girl boy let you brush him horse go down like that before unless he was in pain that’s the only thing that explains that the more you were tighten the belt more he was you can tell in his face and his ears he wasn’t happy I think this horse has some medical issues, and I do think he’s in pain and only a veterinarian would know or x-rays would know that’s just my opinion. I don’t believe that horse is sound at all. He’s in pain I believe so but his demeanor and the way he acts he seems like he’s in pain. my question to you would be why are you using a like a luncheon whip on him? Why don’t you use the flag I have seen this used by trainers from old school and they stop using it. They don’t use them whips anymore they use flags they don’t whistle and scare the horse and whip around fast but you can get a flag the whip around pretty good too. It’s just a question.

[@kathleenredick275]

How many horses have you trained? 🤔

[@watchgoose]

You might consider a regular halter so the horse can be cross-tied the normal way. It really does help.

[@ellentuton7642]

Buyer beware!

[@jcpalmer6051]

Ya I'm going 2 buy a horse without riding him 1st! Pays your money U take your chances!

[@francesomeara6602]

Can't hear you on this one. Good video tho.

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

This is one of my older videos before I worked out a good way to record audio while working with a horse. Thanks for watching.

[@naunettemartin7450]

Tim can I ask you want kind of bit can I use win I ride my horse thank you Nannette

[@dreeandbill]

Preferably none. If you can't ride without a bit....don't ride.

[@pattyg2521]

Oh Please!!! I'll be you ride in a Parelli halter, and the horse is totally upside down. So horrible for their backs and hocks. A well balanced, properly trained equestrian can send the most subtle, gentle cues to even the most sensitive horse mouths, and there is absolutely no pain. Happy, foamy mouths. Three piece snaffle bits. No long shank western "hall of shame" bits.

[@pattyg2521]

This response was for Andrea Ferguson - not Naunette Martin.

[@fludrbywest3886]

Someone in the barn is messing around and I can’t understand a lot of what your saying .

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

My more recent videos I am using a better audio system and you can hear me better.

[@nitafortner2143]

Looking into his eyes he either looks defeatedvor drugged

[@timkirkpatrick9155]

Sounds like a stock pony. Catchem every morning then rebreak em every day until the drive is done then let em loose until next year.

[@chrisusher7144]

Thats a big ring smaller maybe if still bothered try hack

[@MsBizzyGurl]

Maybe the Seller was broke. Context😅

[@gmwwc]

I have never understood the fascination with crossties. Every horse I have ever had would stand to be groomed or saddled or whatever with just a lead rope draped over my arm at most or left on the ground. They did not fret or fuss or evade. They would stand tied to a trailer or a strong fence or a tree. Cross ties made them very uncomfortable, and their claustrophobia would kick right in. Why? it just is not necessary?

[@blondeenotsomuch]

It is no fun to be a small person and have a big horse squish you into the wall. They are a wee bit bigger than people. If something triggers even a well trained horse you will be glad for the safety. Cross ties are a safety thing, they cause no pain, and are convenient.

[@chocolatefrenzieya]

Yeehaw!

[@chrisusher7144]

He looks depressed let him out later in a pasture to depressed to bite you

[@MalaiMagruder]

Whoever was filming this video was making so much noise, it was difficult to hear you.

[@carolynstewart8465]

I'm not the only one saying you should loose weight! Your job would be so much easier and SAFER if you were 50 lbs lighter. The horse thinks so too. Inconvenient truth told, you are an excellent, humane trainer!😍

[@debraclogston9379]

Rude.

[@retiredairforce5111]

Way to go Karen!

[@TheSeNaBi]

To me it is so sad you only said good boy once. Looks like a horse with a will to please but just does not understand what you want from it yet

[@timandersonhorsetraining]

I'm talking the whole time for the video, a horse is not going to know what I'm saying to him and what I'm saying to you.

[@TheSeNaBi]

@@timandersonhorsetraining You mean you think the horse is not going to understand what good boy means? May I ask you do you believe in positive reinforcement?

[@okiegranny4844]

​@@TheSeNaBihow many horses do you own?

[@kathleenredick275]

​@@TheSeNaBi🤦‍♀️

[@hankjones2975]

you fool with horses and can't tell a wild one from a broke one?

[@Davidm1056]

Watched one and done. Not a quality horseman. So far I would not seek out your insights. Buh-bye

[@volancydogs]

How come?

[@kathleenredick275]

@Davidm1056 Your loss.