Solo PVP Made Easy - 1400+ Hour Player's Perspective | Dark and Darker How to PVP Guide

[@VinisKitchen22]

Quick Note - You should use Protection and Health pots before and during fights, I touch on this during the full fight breakdowns but didnt include it in the first two sections of the video because I wanted to touch on more advanced topics and didnt want the video to be 50 minutes long. So, I know a lot of you already know to use potions to gain an advantage but I also know there will be some people that watch and then want to comment that they cant believe I didnt recommend potions, so this is a preventative countermeasure to that haha 😂 Yooo, Whats up chefs! Had some issues with the rendering process of this video so it came out a bit later than I wouldve liked. Good news though we got Fiber internet now, which also took longer than expected but we got it, so the streams should be higher quality moving forward! 🥳

[@AA-qh6qn]

I appreciate your videos they really helped me as beginner, thank you so much

[@pepsiman4418]

Could i ask about all of the rock paper scissors matchups? Like, who beats who but with all the classes instead of just ranger warlock and fighter

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@pepsiman4418 Im thinking about making a video about this but its a very subjective topic, will be quite long and I probably wont be able to tie in gameplay clips for all of the sections. Do you think thats a video youd be interested in?

[@pepsiman4418]

@@VinisKitchen22 Not just me, many people enjoy these kinds of videos. I mean you see how people love tier lists? People want to know “what’s the best”/“who beats X character” Would be super cool :D

[@subjectcode0981]

​@@VinisKitchen22 Yes

[@MeLlamoBauti]

Adopt the "nah ,i'd win" mentality, understood

[@babyraptor4098]

Not gunna lie.. I've lost like 5k now doing that into Barbs before I learned to identify them. Haven't found anything that can win the face tank head to head 😅

[@drakeaustin12]

Everyone always talks about matchups and the rock paper scissors type of gameplay, but no one ever talks about the matchups specifically. I play bard mainly and would love a matchup video. But I would also really like a video going in depth about why each of these matchups is good or bad. Eveyone always says "oh paper beats rock," but no one explains why paper beats rock. If anyone has any good videos they recommend watching, I'd appreciate it.

[@LadyofChaos353]

Vini has got this video in the making!

[@nerbuhc]

It depends on your/their build but you can look at the spells each class has available. From this youll know what to look out for like when to wait out the cooldown etc

[@Shitpostsulley]

Just know that bard has an advantage Vs every class in solos

[@wideout7838]

Bard has no losing matchups in solo my man

[@gladlawson61]

​@@wideout7838 I don't want to kill the bard. I like the noises he makes.

[@Tyrosus]

I'm so down for a full hour long video explaining each match up tbh, would be invaluable for the new player experience(hi, that's me!) ❤

[@Xailion]

I quit trying to pvp around playtest 3. I just sit when I see someone now.

[@LadyofChaos353]

Also for classes that don't have access to bows or crossbows, mostly just talking from Barb experience here, going into the dungeon with extra throwing axes is a great idea. Not only is it the only source of range damage you can use as Barb, but throwing axes also have a movement penalty if you hit the enemy with it, making closing the gap easier.

[@VinisKitchen22]

💙

[@somedude8728]

agreed, I'm a new player (started playing 2-3 days ago) and I like playing fighter with a targe and sword/falchion and throwing axes + shield bash have let me catch up to much faster classes even in plate armor

[@LuhKilla_]

don't forget how powerful Achilles strike is with throwing axes insane slowdown on players making it super easy to kill them when you pop rage to close the distance aswell

[@WolfHreda]

Today, I had an awesome Warlock on Warlock Longsword Violence encounter in a narrow hallway in the crypts. It was so good. And I won. That was nice, too.

[@LuhKilla_]

I've seen people just stack magical healing with warlock and win nearly every fight because they use hydra and always have full health and players can't push because of hydra and the flame trail

[@inaliFTW]

Great video, not just for Dark and Darker, but, for PvP in general as well from beginner to advanced. Nice work!

[@VinisKitchen22]

Appreciate that brotha!

[@BabyCoves]

Great vid and thanks for the lesson, making sure all my friends watch this to improve! Anyway you could go more in depth with what matchups counter what and same with what abilities work well against other classes?

[@VinisKitchen22]

Im contemplating doing a full matchup guide for all the classes in solos but thats going to end up being a ton of work and super subjective so I havent come to a decision yet, but potentially itll be coming in the future. I appreciate the feedback! Glad I could help :D

[@angrythomas6954]

Please do a bard matchup video! Thanks for all the content

[@VinisKitchen22]

Heard, I will work on this! :D

[@bungusfarmer8076]

Good video man I watched as soon as I got home. The map you linked on stream worked and I’ve gotten a good amount of pvp in since but this is even better

[@VinisKitchen22]

Lets go!! So glad to hear youre enjoying the content and getting some value from it as well! Got a long stream planned tomorrow to celebrate the upgrade to fiber internet, if you get the chance to stop by just mention that youre the one that I linked the map on stream for and Ill give you a shoutout!

[@bj_cat103]

as someone who plays a fair bit of warlock, the situation with slayer fighter hiding behind a corner to force phantomise will not really work because I can just keep spawning hydra in front of him, slowly wearing him down and activate flamewalk before attempting to curse, making the chase impossible, this matchup is not fair The only way slayer or rogue can win is landmine

[@VinisKitchen22]

I play a fair bit of warlock myself and at least from my experience I can say that the hydra strat does not work that well against good or geared players and what you described is what I like to call a stale mate. You can permanently spawn hydras in the doorway next to him and he can permanently dodge the hydra firebolts but if you ever jump over your hydra to try and curse him or ever place the hydra too deep and try to walk into the room youre opening yourself up majorly to being punished. Essentially, youre on one side of the doorway and hes on the other and youre placing a hydra in the doorway. Whichever person makes the decision to Crouch jump over the hydra is the one that usually ends up losing which is why to me it seems like a stale mate.

[@DiabloGoldSecrets]

Warlock vs fighter is too easy for the lock. It feels impossible. (Unless they are BoC, then you have a chance)

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@DiabloGoldSecrets yeah but then a fighter rolls up on a warlock hitting one of the gold piles in GC and closes the door behind them, trapping the warlock and the fighter in the small gold pile room aaaannnnddd it’s Joever for the warlock 😂

[@bj_cat103]

@@DiabloGoldSecrets yeah, boc instead of phantomise instantly changes the odds because the first fck up might be the last and fighter can theoretically wait out boc without having to use sprint or even block it

[@bj_cat103]

@@VinisKitchen22 yeah, but you can simply decide to not push and go away, if he decides to follow you, he's dead, if not, you're fine either way

[@MrFahqup]

I've gone from losing all my fights to stalemating a lot of them simply by remembering to use my class resources. Forgetting to phantom as a warlock? Yeah you're gonna have a bad time.

[@VinisKitchen22]

Yessir, especially when youre new to the game and youve got that sort of nervousness or adrenaline rush that happens when you get into a sticky situation in a pvp fight its super easy to forget to press your buttons, the phantomize thing happened all the time to me when I first started playing warlock 😂

[@Sakubo]

Amazing video for a new player. Feels great to see some high level gameplay! Not like my lobbies lol

[@bigphones666]

Nice pvp and commentary after! Favorite class so far?

[@VinisKitchen22]

I appreciate that! Glad I could provide some quality content :D My favorite two classes in the game so far are Warlock and Bard, and recently Ive been really enjoying Bard a lot in particular!

[@Mr.Anderson__]

This is an insanely useful video!! Thank you

[@VinisKitchen22]

No problem! Glad I could help :D

[@chrisgoldsmith3121]

Yo great videos and content thank you! Liked and subbed. Im a bard main and would be hella down to see and have matchups/strats explained!!

[@VinisKitchen22]

Heard, definitely think Ill be doing a Bard Matchups guide in the near future :D

[@amirhosseintb1521]

As a begginer who installed yesterday, this video was just what i wanted, thank youuuuuu keep up the good informative data and analysis centric videos 🙏🏻 this game could use some more, better quality guide content on youtube "stratgaming" style

[@skilz2kil528]

would love a matchup vid - finally trying to learn pvp properly myself and there really isnt much content out there going over the specific matchups and how to play against what

[@VinisKitchen22]

Dropped a video yesterday on the matchups for Bard, havent done anything for the other classes yet though :)

[@howiequ1]

Interesting to see the other side of this. I play a maxed health barbarian build and am not fast enough to chase most other classes. But I've been realizint that most classes like you showed in the video will engage in a blow for blow fight if they think they have an advantage. With bards I have successfully baited a few by fake running after taking 2 arrow hits and "playing panicked" while still having 200 health. Once they melee its usually over since they overstimated their advantage.

[@darkle.]

Great guild!! The timmys have been improving...

[@VinisKitchen22]

Theyre getting ready to overthrow the balance lmao

[@TinariKao]

I just doubt I'll ever get into the mindset of "win every fight I take." A phrase I stick by is "I would rather lose a good fight than win a stomp." I have no interest in fighting anyone I have a significant advantage over or take by surprise. I want them to see I am there and prepare to/expect to engage in a fight if they so choose to. Today alone I had three different instances of trying to avoid a fight at all costs that lead to the other players death because they wouldn't just leave when I had a VERY clear advantage, and when I gave them time and time and time again (I even lead one aggressive player to a stairs exit) and they just pushed and kept attacking. I lose most fights in PvP because while I try to avoid them, I am not as skilled at PvP due to my avoidance and reluctance, and my distaste of using anything I would regard as being a cheap tactic. Again. I would "rather lose a good fight than win a stomp." and ambushing people just doesn't do it for me. I pray I'm not the only person who can "win a fight" and just feel bad about it. *edit* I watch PvP guide videos to learn how to protect myself. The second the warlock went away from you, I'd have been too content to just let him go. I'm probably one of the least aggressive people ever, hah!

[@whitebwoi]

should check your T levels

[@TinariKao]

@@whitebwoi Eh, winning is just to vapid. A guy attacks me in PvP and dies easily or stupidly, I just feel bad for the guy and would rather have helped them. If it's a good fight, awesome and if I do win, great. It was fun and exciting. If it's a bad fight and I die, oh well, just respawn and go again. Getting that middle of the bell curve where it's fun is just too difficult in a game with RPG mechanics to some degree.

[@sl5945]

I really want to get into this game, but the matches being so short and the fact that 25 gear score is the threshold for geared lobbies is really putting me off everytime i try to play. I equip white pants and green gloves and apparently that makes my level 7 ass (deleting to try new classes on free acct) equal to level 70s in full blues and epics in every single slot lol. Always feels like im rushing too, only to loot 2 rooms before I need to extract. The pvp looks fun and intricate like in this video but it never plays out like these for me

[@NesplayerX9]

Bro just don't use green gear, go in with a full white / grey kit. That's good enough trust me. Moreover in this way you will be in

[@sl5945]

Yeah I get that I can just stay in the baby lobbies by wearing all starter gear, but then it feels like I'm missing out on what I view as the main point of the game which is loot and gearing out. Going in with all base stats sucks. Just wish the min gear score for baby lobbies was a bit higher or maybe a greens-only lobby system, so I can at least interface with the buildcraft somewhat. I don't think green gear (even white gear pushes you past 25...) is strong enough to warrant being put against epics and legendaries

[@NesplayerX9]

@@sl5945 nah bro you're not missing out on a huge part as you might think. There are some classes (wizard for example) that just aren't good in base gear as they are in BIS kit. But other than that you are not missing out on anything, like really. Just train your pvp skills in standard lobbies while you try to farm some gold. When you will have some cash to invest in a good kit (and hopefully better pvp skills by then) you will just buy what you need on the market and go in a "big boys lobby" with no fear. Oh and btw don't call them "baby lobbies", I (and I think the major part of the community) enjoy normals way more than the sweat fest that are HR or even > 25. And lastly, if you would allow green gear to be eligible for < 25 it would destroy completely the balance of < 25 (due to the random attributes that roll on green gear and higher) that is the main reason why they are so great. You are on even ground with anyone. Sorry for the very long response and I hope that it was useful haha.

[@VinisKitchen22]

I would agree with some of the other comments about Normals being some of the best content the game has to offer and definitely the most fair/even environment; However, the game isnt necessarily supposed to be equal or completely fair at all times, thats part of what makes it amazing though. When you lose to someone more geared than you then you should do your best to try and shrug it off without turning it into always being an excuse for why you lose. But, if you win a fight against someone more geared than you then it feels amazing! It is the case though that if you go into the >25 Gearscore lobbies you will run into people with fully built kits from the marketplace but thats honestly just become part of the game at this point and its definitely preparing for what you can expect to see in Highroller but just players with even better gear and probably even more experience/skill. So unless we ever get a solo self found mode which is possible youll want to start accustoming yourself with the market and the idea of going in with full kits as opposed to just the odd pieces of gear thrown together :)

[@jonglas8127]

very helpful video! as a timmy noob I'm needing all the help I can get

[@Painjusu]

I started playing 3 days ago, 9k gold now, only played with squire eq ☠️ Funny enough, I have 0 PVP Kills and my Druid is level 50 now. I hope it's okay that I died 3 times fighting someone :(

[@VinisKitchen22]

Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that! Just be wary its going to be hard to improve in pvp without taking a hefty amount of losses in fights 😂

[@Euthafro]

This vini guy kinda cookin

[@VinisKitchen22]

Appreciate you brotha! Not as much as you with that recent video though, that shit going to the moon fr fr 👊

[@xDBlackie]

I love the content and the videos have been really helpfull! PS: That slow yo at the start.. Not good in my opinion. Very iconic to you tho, havnt seen anyone else do that, but its not good Honestly the only critique i have Keep up the brilliant work!

[@mfaiden4088]

[@cjcmoney1899]

9:02 this just shows how OP bard truly are. Barb can't do anything against weakness plus Bow

[@Btk780]

Really good job Vin

[@Valkyrie_Veil]

Any tips for Wizard matchups? Thanks for the video! It’s very informative.

[@VinisKitchen22]

I think Slow is a really good spell right now. Any players you see that you know are slower than you are probably a good idea to fight and anyone faster than you is more of a judgement call, I wouldnt recommend fighting rangers ever though as a wizard unless you know you way outgear them or you think you can just outplay them hard :D

[@Valkyrie_Veil]

@@VinisKitchen22 Thanks for the advice!

[@TheLazyRegulator]

My problem is I go “okay okay gotta get the perfect set up use my hide at the right time get the jump on them” then I fail to do so and go AAAAAAA while stabbing blindly. This falls into the Skill Diff category.

[@raving5139]

I took this advice and have since not lost a solo pvp interaction wish i could say the same for trios but in that case we just get ganked by barbs

[@VinisKitchen22]

LETS GOOO! Glad to hear it :D

[@Myztic_Beard]

“Barb beats everything so nerf rogue” valid 😂😂 rogue was a cosmetic class at one point from all the nerfs 😂

[@lexolus1308]

You cant dodge swing weapons unless you get away for it to not reach, its not like chivalry combat, even if it looks like it, its so easy to redirect attacks , unless they are poking with spear or using overhead downwards attacks its not really possible to dodge unless done perfectly with timing, its way better to trade, block or run out of range

[@VinisKitchen22]

Its definitely not chivarly but you certainly can dodge but you should always be looking to trade at the same time, so at that case it doesnt hurt you and just has the possibility to help you. Firebox is a good example of someone who dodges a ton of attacks in his fights. Moving in and out of range to bait out attacks before getting your hit in is also a valid strat for sure that you mentioned :)

[@taurvanath]

As a Barbarian main, I feel like everyone just runs away from me. In the cases I don't have throwing axes I feel like I'm at their mercy.

[@kurdistanindependance5471]

They really have no other option and ranged classes will only chip away at you if you chase them. Its annoying but i cant think of a better way to balance the classes.

[@empaquebbq6120]

bro thanks for making this videos

[@1_2_Jango]

W video👍

[@uioRibaiasan]

Lesson of the video - you didn't encounter cleric = you survive.

[@VinisKitchen22]

Kind of spitting with this one at the moment I wont even lie, that cleric shit is waaayyyyy overtuned

[@Nestoxx]

Bard solo match-up plz 🙏😂

[@robintarket6844]

Great video! Just wondering though, what sort of matchups are favored and which ones aren't? I play Fighter with Defense Mastery, Counterattack, Shield Master, and Swift with Second Wind and Victory Strike and it feels like whatever fight I try to take I lose no matter what. Am I just playing a bad build?

[@VinisKitchen22]

Hey, thanks for the compliment! :D Its hard to say for sure since I havent seen you play or the situations youve been in but what I can say is that currently I think fighter is definitely a little on the weaker side and beyond that I do think the build you mentioned is also one of the weaker versions of fighter especially in solos. So, it is sort of a double whammy putting you at a disadvantage before the fights even start :( If you want to keep playing fighter heres what Id recommend! For perks, try going weapon mastery, Swift, Defense Mastery and then either Projectile defense or combo attack for your last slot. For weapons you want to go Rondel Dagger + Buckler and then a Survival bow for ranged. Skills should be Sprint + Second Wind. Here is a great video to showcase and describe the build Im talking about that you can check out, you should find a lot more success if you try out and get good with this build :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2mWkIaqqdikopY Ultimately, you can just combine that video with this one and you should be wrecking people in no time!

[@HaPKoMaTo3]

Understood, play barb, get MS gear, wait for enemy to be an idiot and run into you then kill him. Otherwise just run away. P.S. Always run away from PDR guys they are slow.

[@VinisKitchen22]

Not a bad start!

[@Matthew-m6r]

Nice hat

[@brettharrison8478]

Can’t help but notice most of this advice/playstyle ONLY applies if you’re faster than the opponent. Otherwise, you are stuck with whatever the opponent wants to do

[@gameclub0531]

Fighter won’t beat up anyone if they just stay distance and shot him , even survive bow can’t save fighter … for now fighter is not in a good place he should be , specifically there’s a upgrade fighter calls barb.

[@VinisKitchen22]

I definitely agree that Barb is better than fighter. I do still think that PDR Fighter with rondel dagger + Buckler and Surv bow combo isnt bad though

[@matthew7106]

Solo druid here who doesnt have access to bows or axes and just dreamfire, how should I be engaging targets? Should I be aggressive and corner targets or kite them with dreamfire. Im struggling to find a good rule of thumb to pvp as druid.

[@VinisKitchen22]

From what Ive tested and seen for druid it seems like building tanky and physical and then when you know someone is nearby you just start in the room next to them or sort of close to them, buff up with your heal over time spells, go rat form and run up right next to them and then go bear form and unleash chaos lol. Hope that helps :D

[@MadMonkiiZ]

Are you done with dark and darker

[@Kryptiic42]

Your microphone gain is too low. Do you use an audio interface like voicemeter banana? you can adjust the microphone gain on there till you see it's about too redline

[@VinisKitchen22]

I use G-Hub I got a couple people together tonight and tested a bunch of settings and they came to the conclusion that my mic sound was too low as well so it has since been increased, should be better quality in the next video. I was also taught how to properly not have any pops coming from the mic in the future. :D

[@lexolus1308]

rondel dagger buckler fighter.

[@Kateeuwu]

Thanks

[@VinisKitchen22]

No problem! Glad I could help :D

[@bosozokuua4879]

You'll never become better avoiding to fight better geared/skilled opponents, i believe. You have to do it, or you'll be stuck on that level where you're not improving anymore.

[@MeLlamoBauti]

Avoiding better geared people isn't bad. The game most of the time is about stat-checking others, so you would be at a disadvantage if you fought someone that had better gear. However, better geared people are also loot piñatas, so there's definitely reason to fight them I agree about not avoiding better skilled players tho.

[@VinisKitchen22]

mmm yeah I kind of agree on some level but thats also implying you wouldnt learn anything by fighting repoze when he was less geared than you. I dont think the only way to improve is to fight up the ladder. If anything Id definitely argue that the best way to improve is to fight people in the same level of gear as you or below so you actually have an opportunity to really flesh out some of the mechanics without exterior factors such as gear diff just overcomplicating that to say the least. But, like I said I do kind of agree on some level that if your goal is to improve at pvp instead of win more pvp fights then fighting players that are more geared than you shouldnt necessarily be avoided entirely but the premise was more specifically focused on showing people how to win more fights, and idk as I think about it more I almost still feel like even if you were just trying to improve you would definitely be better off just sticking to fights that are more even geared such as in normals or just trying to pick your fights selectively instead of just fighting everyone even if they have twice as many stats as you. But, that could just be a me thing :)

[@VinisKitchen22]

Also yeah just to add I agree about the better skilled players and I dont think I did but if I did mention something in the video about avoiding players that are better than you then I mispoke. Even on a basic level a brand new player literally HAS to fight better players than them if they want to improve haha 😂

[@tomatoboi1976]

Need mor bard tips

[@VinisKitchen22]

Yessir, gonna be doing a Bard Matchups guide in the future :D

[@_ValFreemaN_]

cool thanks i like bard more=)

[@florkrazy101]

I can’t seem to win almost any fights as a rogue, is hide really the only way to win?

[@StoneKnight1]

so like pokemon, every module has higer chance for cerain class ideally, asuming everyone know thier shit or care enough

[@SirShadock]

Can you turn up your input volume? You're so quiet on max volume.

[@thievingRL]

I think it's just a you thing, volume levels are fine..

[@VinisKitchen22]

I get mega mixed feedback in regards to my volume so its super hard to judge, do you have a particular point in the video you think I could look at to check the volume levels?

[@purpleguy3924]

@@VinisKitchen22 i thought the volume was fine tbh

[@DiabloGoldSecrets]

How do fighters beat dot and run warlocks? Even if I hit my shots when they go to cast, they heal the damage and are faster than me so they phantomize my sprint and that’s the game.

[@VinisKitchen22]

You cant chase them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thats what warlocks want is to be chased by someone slower than them, if you are slower you have to play corners and force them to walk into you if they want to fight then look for an opportunity to force their phantomize without using sprint, if you can do that youve practically won the fight.

[@DiabloGoldSecrets]

@@VinisKitchen22 I would like to see one video of a good fighter beating a good lock player in a one on one. So far haven’t seen it

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@DiabloGoldSecrets You ever heard of a guy named TheLorr? Ive seen him kill soooo many warlocks by just hitting one crossbow shot and then two franciscas and the warlock dies lol

[@DiabloGoldSecrets]

I’ll take a look, the good ones never stay in the fight if you land a crossbow shot, but shot into francs immediately is a neat idea. I might run double cross bow to surprise them lol. Right now I usually hit the shot when they go to dot, throw a moly in case they phantomize and go get them to stop casting, then I sprint and land 1-2 hits. If they got dots and fire walking I’m already down second wind at that point. Then they run away to reset and I lose or they try to all in and I win.

[@DiabloGoldSecrets]

@@VinisKitchen22 you can’t make this up, he went Ranger lol

[@Mindfreakypinky]

I dont care about first point im just seeking as many fights i can just to learn how to fight i will not loose much playing on 24 gear😂

[@Khaons]

Why do you use the dagger instead of the rapier?

[@VinisKitchen22]

I like the attack pattern and being able to outplay people in doorways :D

[@FireRevontulet]

it's painful to hear songs played intentionally bad

[@MarvinGunkle]

Fo yo final challenge, make a vid that aint a banger. Aw hell naw jigsaw you tweakin

[@VinisKitchen22]

Jigsaw wouldnt be happy with me

[@S8N6]

18:42 clown fiesta gameplay LOL Warlock coulda killed you if he just aimed a little better since you gave him a chance with too many whiffs

[@IvanDvoryanov]

Man "Bard vs 2 Warlocks" means they fight you together, not one by one.

[@VinisKitchen22]

The chapter title isnt Bard vs 2 Warlocks, its "one bard 2 warlocks" its a reference to something else lmao And to be fair, I legit got third partied by the second one like 10 seconds after I killed the first

[@IvanDvoryanov]

@@VinisKitchen22 No dude, it`s literally like I said => "Bard vs 2 Warlocks" You can check upper right corner of video yourself from 15:49 till 19:00. I noticed "one bard 2 warlocks" at time screen while was looking for timing, It`s much harder to notice than right on a screen right?

[@VinisKitchen22]

That’s my bad, I thought this comment was on my most recent video, not the one from 5 days ago. But uhh yeah idk exactly why I wrote it the way I did but I did get counterbossed by two warlocks within 10 seconds of each other so I don’t really know how else I could’ve worded it

[@ImMobile2014]

The amount of kiting in this game kind of makes the pvp dogshit.

[@VinisKitchen22]

I feel that sometimes

[@VinisKitchen22]

Maybe not dogshit though but I get waht you mean for sure