Solomon, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Gandalf: All fictional! With David Fitzgerald

[@MrCanis4]

People create cultures, cultures create religions. People create religions.

[@homoerectus744]

Can we squeeze Solomon in that reality circle,no ?

[@meatloafhead]

Then Religions create oppression & the dark ages😅

[@jacksquat4140]

Humans have been creating gods in their own image since the very beginning. "Religion began the moment the first con man met the first fool." - Mark Twain

[@AlgyPug]

Glad to see that David didn't blaspheme the real creators of the universe: Black and Decker, who made the world at 9.25am on September 9th, 1910.

[@AlgyPug]

Late in the afternoon on September 8th, 1910, Black said to Decker: "I really like your idea of a machine shop. But how are we going to sell all the products that we make? Who is going to buy them?" Decker replied: " Let's create a universe and populate it with millions of customers made in our image." After a pause Black said: "I have considered your idea and found it good. Let's do it. See you at the shop tomorrow." And so it was done. But a few days later the first heresy arose. A member of the Southern Baptist Convention who had taken a dislike to Black because he could never beat him in a golf game, said: "A young earth? Ridiculous! The universe is really old - at least 6000 years." "if Back and Decker did not create the world , then who did?" asked a member of the congregation. "God." "Who is God? And where does he live?" "He's omipotent, omniscient and onmipresent. And he lives in suburb where they don't let in people like you. Not unless you have the password." "What's the password?" "That information is only available for premium subscribers." "How do I become a premium subscriber?" "Tithing - maximum rate. And you couldn't afford it."

[@vincentreilly1726]

Jesus ,ask decent question and reply with a decent response. Bable.amen

[@ryan89554]

@@vincentreilly1726 Everyone knows the creator god is a lesser evil god who just an incompetent henchman who is ignorant thinking only he is a god , being unknown of the higher secret god above all gods ,abraxas ha

[@PutItAway101]

You can definitely have faith in a Black and Decker. Even the modern shit ones are more reliable than an imaginary god.

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

Love David! So much energy and knowledge!

When the Greeks conquered Kemet which they called Egypt. They created a hybrid parental deity in order to combine Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. So they combined the Egyptian God Thoth with the Greek God Hermes. They called him Hermes Trismegistus III. Who was known as… “The Thrice Great.” He was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Which is what the number 3 almost always symbolizes in World Mythology. Isn't this what the Flavian Dynasty did after conquering the Jews? Didn't they create a new hybrid form of Greco-Roman Judaism? To integrate Jewish mythology with Greco-Roman mythology? Calling him… “Jesus The Christ.” Who is also famous for triumphing over the season of death. As represented by… “The Trinity.” Isn't this a better explanation for the origins of Christianity rather than Harry Houdini magic? Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess? Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels? Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn’t Pope Clement of Rome a Flavian? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod? There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Just like the Greeks created Hermes Trismegistus to integrate Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine chose the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. Destroying all contradictory evidence. Such as all of the non-canonical Jesus cult texts. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction. “What profit hath not this fable of Christ brought us.” Pope Leo X 💙

[@starlion4756]

🫣 do u have any sources or source recommendations on this? I was on a train of thought recently of interpreting this ‘timeframe’ in the sense of the geopolitical changes, and what you said added a bunch of stuff I had yet to come across.

[@mmashburn5893]

Wow! You've hit the nail on the head! You are obviously a very bright and learned individual . Excellent research! Excellent!❤❤❤

[@pamelamaddox1547]

Historical fiction people. It is a literary genre. That is what scripture is. Come on people.

[@SecularCat69]

Saw the interview today but saw him in the past on the ACA call in an talk show,out of Austin TX.

[@johnnehrich9601]

Yes, saw that episode too, with Traci Harris, which really started changing my ideas. Went out and got both of David's books at the time, then on to Carrier. But also try to find all David's stuff on KZbin.

[@mitchelldysert7330]

Religion, such a great way to control the masses of simple minds.

[@bobyoung3857]

My issue with Paul as well as all of the religious texts is that the writings are never in real time. If Marcion is responsible for discovering Paul's writings there is a probability that he wrote them or had someone else do it. It almost seems that these amazing occurrences don't matter until decades later.

[@rasunsoter]

Ya, I don’t see Paul as a real person historically speaking.

[@BenAroundo]

Paul created an allegorical Jesus while walking to Damascus hoping to create another of many Roman gods but a friendly loving one to strengthen, reenforce and reward good (nice) people’s life style.

[@gerardgauthier4876]

You want to understand older religions? Study newer religions and recognize the techniques used to protect the religion from critical questions. Look at Mormonism and Scientology and the lengths they will go to protect their religions. Almost forgot the most recent religion.. Trump and his followers. Just count the number of lies and the number of times members just ignore the facts to keep their faith strong.

[@timfallon8226]

As a seventh day Trumpist I take offence. I expect you are one of those dirty Bidenology worshipers?

[@Ridethebomb777]

Trumps comin' baby ....... you mentioned him so he's spending time in your head huh.

[@homoerectus744]

So much that he assumes Trump is on that level.quite impressionable.

[@SPDATA1]

...and you think Democrats and Biden/Obama are the answer then....😂

[@mitchelldysert7330]

We're going off the rails on a trump train. he lives rent-free in a lot of people's mind. So politics is your new religion. Your reality is just an illusion of your own mind.

[@papagrande8374]

If Paul is railing against the friends and family of “Jesus”, what is behind their claim to be the friends and family of the myth? I’m not understanding that.

[@themythiclife8206]

He’s pointing out that the fictive kinship of fellow Christians is important-far more important than genetic family: Luke 14:26 in the Bible says, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple"

[@CatrinaDaimonLee]

knew that about jesus and buddha, didnt know about mohd...moses for sure...but mohd too? hmmm...

@TheMahayanist well here was your big chance and you blew it

[@themythiclife8206]

Love David’s work! Thank you for having him on. I can’t wait for his new book to come out! #PlayingGod

[@ryan89554]

Also the books of acts puts the words of Dionysus right in the mouth of Jaysus don't kick against the goads

[@samo4003]

Hmmm ... David side stepped the question as to whether Buddha is a fictional character.

[@GilesMcRiker]

@17:13 he avoids answering the question why the consensus among critical scholars is that Jesus was a historical person, and instead pivots by explaining that scholars concede that many elements of the gospels are mythical, an obvious point which only further begs the question as to why they nonetheless considered Jesus to be to be a historical character of which certain facts can generally be agreed upon (e.g was the Galilean Jew born in the first century, had a following, was crucified etc)

he didn't avoid the question. He said that critical scholars don't agree on what "historical jesus" means, which is correct. He also pointed out that jewish scholars dispute the NT account of the crucifixion. The only thing YOU said that most critical scholars would agree with is that he was crucified, but the details of that are widely disputed.

[@cumulus1869]

I'll answer it for you. It's because 90% of scholars are Christians. He also mentioned that the majority of non-Christian scholars on this matter are mythicists. If you're seriously looking for a scholar who is a Christian, as in he really believes Jesus Christ is the son of God, and that he died and was resurrected, who ALSO is a mythicist, as in they ALSO think that Jesus never historically existed then you've reached the height of absurdity.

[@positivevibe6595]

He said they are biased due to religious affiliations. Which is pretty obvious

[@stanispwam2294]

David, how do you know?

he told you. try listening.

[@Augfordpdoggie]

25 years of research

[@Ratva666]

Is the Buddha a historical figure or is it not so important but whether his teaching gives results or not? The teachings of the Buddha produce results, and that is all that matters.

[@Cat_Woods]

That Jesus didn't exist makes no difference at all to what I believe about Christianity and various God concepts. It matters to me because it matters to me what's true, and it pisses me off how many centuries people have been operating under these fairly transparent (if you read the Bible) lies.

[@lannguyen-pu1db]

Okay, but even if Jesus is irrelevant by not existing, Christianity remains a horrible religion due to all the European wars between themselves, and their crusades against the Moslem nations and their colonial/missionary conquests or genocides all over the world.... Hmm and a possibly the most rotten religion of all because of the money laundering and scamming in some of the administrative levels and the $3+ual asubes that are still happening.

[@Cat_Woods]

​@@lannguyen-pu1db "Asubes" is a new one to me. I might use that when I need to avoid the word. I agree with you. I'd add that it's an inherently harmful religion because it's founded on blood sacrifice and eternal punishment as good things. One could go on and on about the harmful effects of Christian doctrines. But all of that would still be true if Jesus existed. It still just annoys me how belief that he existed in history was just foisted on everyone across the board based on such poor evidence. One may as well say Osiris was an historical person based on equivalent "evidence."

[@michaelglendinning1738]

Know why these religions were created and you have your enemy (men in little hats)

[@sulongenjop7436]

David is a great historian who knows the occurences of 2000 yrs ago!!!😂😂😂

[@danbreeden68]

Interesting 😮

[@tyronejones7341]

Jesus (?) Taught his followers to accept and render unto Roman rule.

[@benbahara1974]

dude....are the jews the hebrews?....no....do an etymology search of the words or go check the wiki pages....jeez

he didn't say whether the jews were hebrews. Who are you arguing with?

[@noname-by3qz]

Moses supposedly existed about 1300 yrs bce. And Krishna supposedly existed about 2000 yrs before Moses. And baby Krishna's story has elements which will be immediately recognized by anyone who learned the baby Moses story. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGbGl3iLlKmniqMfeature=shared

[@MikePhilbin1966]

David Fitzgerald & Ralph Ellis... I wish they'd collaborate. :)

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

The Freemason will not collaborate with the atheist.

[@dirktucker77]

Ralph Ellis is awesome!

[@humbleopulence]

Ralph Ellis is a moron Mr Fitzgerald would wipe the floor with and laugh at in derision.... I don't even know why anyone would expect them to get along. They are of opposite temperaments. Fitzgerald cares about truth and Ellis cares about lining his pockets by telling dollar store lies​@@dirktucker77

[@jacksquat4140]

Like Mr. David Fitzgerald, I think the Jesus written about in the New Testament never existed. Now, my reasons for thinking this, I believe, are more compelling than David's. I'd also like to preface what I'm about to say by stating that I was an ardent Bible believer for the first 49 years of my life, and had cut my teeth on the "word of God" as a babe, so we are coming from opposing sides. I left the church and waved goodbye to the Bible for 6 main reasons: 1). There is no reason for Jesus to have come in the first place. Tithes, Temple sacrifices, and the Law of Moses were in full swing and were still in effect. No change of direction was remotely necessary. Jesus, himself, came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it, because he, too, was a practitioner of Mosaic Law, and an adherent of Judaism. 2). Jesus did not fulfill the Messianic "prophecies" or job description. 3). Jesus was never mentioned in the "Old Testament" either directly or indirectly. 4). It is abundantly clear Jesus was talking about a First Century return, but failed to do so. 5). Jesus never left any physical evidence: no writings, no monuments, no grave, and no physical discription. 6). Jesus was never mentioned in his lifetime in public discourse or in private correspondence. This is to say no one mentioned his life, ministry, or miracles during his alleged lifetime. Moreover, Jesus was never mentioned by principalities, princes, priests, politicians, publicans, poets, peasants or paupers. If Jesus was even half of what he was claimed to be, deafening silence would have been the greatest miracle, because his magnanimous efforts, and bigger than life persona, would have been impossible to ignore.

[@richardp2309]

To make the best discussion...Disappear AH

[@saddha1]

Not true about Buddha, they left relics. That’s what those stupas are for. Also the 4 Noble truths is a proof by recursion and its Eightfold path lighted way for physics Eightfold path. So Lord Buddha and his disciples all walked this earth.

[@GeorgeCostanzais10.]

Well, if we read Philip K. Dick, we’ll doubt WE even exist…

[@danielfichman7517]

Not only Johnathan Adler supports your arguments. Checkout Igal Ben Nun. An expert on the subject

[@danbreeden68]

Some of the best historians are anti consensus 😮

[@hakonberg8003]

Please dont add the Buddha to this mix of fictional characters, whether or not the Siddartha existed or not is completely irrelevant: he (or his legacy) never claimed to be god, the teachings left behind by the buddha is simply a recipe for how to deal with the pain of existence, how to be a better person and how to treat other people. He never provided a recipe for how to play the harp on a cloud for eternity. Everyone has smth to learn from Buddhism whatever harp-in-a-cloud recipe you adhere to.

[@StephenGrover-zc4hp]

Have a nice eternity!

[@shadbalzano6769]

Uh, uh, uh what?

[@Karen-0914]

I don't know why they would write fictitious gospels. What was the point?

[@themythiclife8206]

The Gospels were a teaching allegorical tool for Paul’s theology. Kind of like the Chronicled of Narnia.

why did people invent zeus or amon ra. People invent gods.

[@kimbronun6649]

Jesus is no more fictitious than we are, thats why. There is something to the transfiguration of lowered spirits like hate, greed, selfishness ascending to love, giving and forgiveness. It's about reaching the temple within.

@@kimbronun6649 "Jesus is no more fictitious than we are" lol all-time dumb comment honorable mention

[@mitchelldysert7330]

I don't know how simple to put it but religions are a great way to control the masses of simple minds that are obviously still in the world today. Go read your Bible and stop asking questions that you will never understand to begin with.

[@tyronejones7341]

See mm s to me a wanna be messsiah would be demonstrating military prowessto overcome an oppressor,

[@wordscapes5690]

Moses probably. Jesus, possibly. Mohammad, not likely. The Buddha, most definitely not.

[@johnf5927]

Moses never, Mohammed also Buddha more likely.😊

[@wordscapes5690]

@@johnf5927Cute, but the proof is in the pudding. Buddhist methodology leads to real altered mental states that are scientifically discernible, and that have been peer reviewed and proven. The other religions are mythologies that offer such mental states after you die - none of which is testable in any way, manner or form. Unlike the other faiths, Buddhism does not require religiosity or belief in Buddhist mythology. It merely requires the application of the mental practices as laid down by the Buddha (whether he existed or not - although there exist vast amounts of extra scriptural references to the Buddha within Hindi literature from the very tip of Nepal to the very tip of Tamil Nadu).

[@irenedijkhuizen2956]

Desondanks leeft hij

[@charliejackson5492]

Buddha is real.

[@KingKing-ky5tt]

No.

[@charliejackson5492]

@@KingKing-ky5tt oh yes

[@freddenker9537]

butter is real

[@charliejackson5492]

@@freddenker9537 yes and ....... ?

[@lynnbaker2336]

Can yiu answer a question for me? I saw a statue, metal, of the buddaha in an antique shop. It looked to be meant to be feflective of light. Do you know what I speak of? Thank you.

[@ggcctv9575]

This guy is a wannabe scholar, historian and not a serious researcher - merely making laughable contentions, trying to be controversial to con a few people into buying his “books” A person to be avoided if you are looking for real scholarly insights 🙏 I’ve now unsubscribed from this channel, mostly not worth my time.

[@Subtlenimbus]

Sure, we’ll just take the non-argument and ad hominem bs of a rando commenter as the truth.

[@atmanbrahman1872]

😂😂😂atheotards atheotarding.

[@michaelparks5669]

ARCHEOLOGY CONTINUES TO PROVE THE BIBLE IS HISTORY.

[@discontinuedmodel232]

🤣Abso - F'ing - lutely WRONG! you sir are 180 degrees out of phase with reality. If anything, as archeology advances it proves more & more that the Bible is - at best - nothing but historical fiction. In a thousand years when archeologists find evidence that New York City actually existed, would that prove that Spider Man existed?

[@Subtlenimbus]

There is some history in the Bible, but that doesn’t mean that the Bible is 100% historical.

[@DrKippDavis]

Ugh. David needs to stop pretending that he is an historian.

[@GeorgeCostanzais10.]

Mythicists are entertainers, therefore perfect for KZbin and social media. They are one of many byproducts of Bart Ehrman’s opening of the Pandora’s Box of Academia onto regular, totally unprepared everyday people.

[@thereseplourde1918]

All religions are made-up crap. Including over 10000 gods… ALL inventions

[@thereseplourde1918]

Jesus’s absence from all modern history books is evidence he never existed

[@timfallon8226]

Do you need to have a certificate from experts before you are an historian?

[@DrKippDavis]

@timfallon8226 In most contexts, yes, you need a professional degree in some discipline of history. I agree it is theoretically not necessary, but the exception to this rule would require some fairly remarkable achievement in historiography to qualify. David has DEFINITELY not met that bar.

[@michaelparks5669]

HAHAHA 99.9 % OF REAL SCHOLARS JUST LAUGH AT DAVID. HEIS DECEIVING THE IGNORANT.

[@dacon999]

Sounds like the jesucks story

[@whitemountainapache3297]

You Foolish Sinner, SHHHHHHHHH!!!

[@TB-wvvvw]

Excuse me if I find someone who writes about very logical and credible history, with verifiable citations throughout hundreds of pages of extensively researched work, more believable than someone like yourself who pulls a 99.9% statistic out of your ass and types in all caps like an idiot.

[@VaughanMcCue]

If they write in all CAPS, one has to question their intelligence.

[@dacon999]

If one IS FIXATED ON PENMANSHIP GRAMMER AND SPELLING THEN ONE WOULD BE FOOLISH TO Think the critique is credible WITH SUCH A PETTY INSECURE CHARACTER THAT DIDNT CRITIQUE THE FACTS HISTORY AND NUANCES .

[@Tymczas]

try those "arguments" on BArt Erhman...lol

Bart Ehrman's arguments for historical jesus are weak. Bart is a former xtian and takes the NT way too seriously.

[@sveu3pm]

i dont think Sidartha is fake because budism is philosophy not nonloyality extermination excuse used by emperors. all others yes.

[@martinstrauss7497]

It is fake because his birth follows the same principle of ancient deities. Also the hero’s journey is in his story so great story telling, but still mythical

[@Subtlenimbus]

It can also be said that Christianity represents a meaningful philosophy as well, though the characters are fictional. Myths can be thought of as inwardly true, while outwardly false.

[@krzysztofciuba271]

A mixture of...the ignorance of (biblical, any "holy books") hermeneutics and for sure, the basic classical (divine) philosophy of Aristotle, and his "father", Plato: he's already ridiculed his phil. enemies: agnostics and skeptics, perfectly; In the Bible the "improved" notion of this distinct God (1st Cause, Unmoved Mover, self thinking-thought- don't scratch your head against the wall: an entry in Math Dictionary, Predicate Calculus is the-short explanation of it! I doubt again if such a "scholar"-mythicist understands at all e.g., Sherlock Holmes's lessons! Regarding/doubting the historicity of Jesus from Nazareth,i.e. that "some" invented it for what reason? Why so many different pictures of Jesus,esp. in Mark's gospel contrary to others (e.g. Mk1:3,9: Jesus, a sinner (despite some fancy Bible's idiots interpretations) come to St.John the Baptist to be...baptized, and then he quit his own dumb family (Matthew 19:12- why such a passage there? Hey, a Scholar! Wake up. Use your ...non-ape brain or...H.Spirit!. .The crucifixion scene perfectly fits the practice of Rom and the title-accusation on the cross is the first written title of Jesus in his life-time: "The King of Jews" that has been never used by....Christians (Mk15:26)! Archeology just confirms places a person from NT,e.g. the tomb in Jerusalem of Alexander and Rufus (Mk14:21) or the family of the High Priest, Caiaphas, and the inscription with the name "Aretas"(2Cor11:32) who hunted St.Paul, or "Herodion" (Rom 16:11). Fortunately, "Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God"(Cons.Act, AD 1982, Preamble); hence, a whip (J 2:15) will teach you basics of science, esp. formal ones: (divine/i.e., absolute) theorems of K.Godel's AD 1931(on "proof",or A.Tarski's,AD 1933 (on truth"). There are a lof of space (or exactly, 'space-time" of Minkowski) to organize re-educational concentration camps for dumb citizens,incl. "certified" ...pastors (who still don't know philosophy,the perfect on: Aristle-A.Tarski' scientific semantics and the...Bible despite JPII's Fides et Ratio, AD 1998. On Islam: the discoveries of Gunter Luling("killed" by Satanic Univ.in 1972!; rehabilitated in..,2003), John Wansbrough, Patricia Crone, or...even Adolf von Harnack 1851-1930) who claimed "Muhammad" was just...Jesus from Nazareth" as "the praised one" (e.g. also in R. Spencer, Did Muhammad exist", AD 2021. Are you ...citizens (with ..diplomas who learn to watch (satanic,i.e.dumb propaganda) BBC, etc or ...(fake) humans: aliens-demons?

or you could have learned basic English

[@krzysztofciuba271]

If U don't understand Mr.Anglo-moron then only a cartoon language maybe help U but any moron goes to Hell (Mk 7:22)!

[@Subtlenimbus]

You never closed your first parentheses, ergo = bs. Or the second! The humanity! Just stop.

[@krzysztofciuba271]

You go with your English (for morons) to Hell. The vocabulary is too much to comprehend for an Eng.moron

[@krzysztofciuba271]

@@Subtlenimbus Says an...Ape