Solving an integral equation using special functions.

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Michael Penn

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@xizar0rg
@xizar0rg Жыл бұрын
I love how, on one hand he glosses over the intricacies of trig substitution in integrals, but at the same time he carefully explains how we know that pi/4 is less than one. sidenote: For those in the future, the legendre duplication video was yesterday's: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHq1ZZ16qteSf80
@anshumanagrawal346
@anshumanagrawal346 Жыл бұрын
I know right 😂
@landy4497
@landy4497 Жыл бұрын
I think that's because that's how he sees the beauty in math: by logical implications, rather than long equations
@throwaway692
@throwaway692 Жыл бұрын
Dude... I just want to say this out loud. As a Physicist(and teacher myself) I cannot say how happy I am to have found your video series. As you might expect I'm more of a PDE kinda guy than a Number Theory kinda guy. But you help keep me sharp. Much obliged.
@thomashoffmann8857
@thomashoffmann8857 Жыл бұрын
10:30 in the definition of the beta function, the exponents should be v-1 and w-1. The second definition with sin and cos is fine though.
@maths_505
@maths_505 Жыл бұрын
The general case of the integral parametrized by alpha is pretty cool too
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Жыл бұрын
@5:10 while that inequality looks obvious, one has to be careful for x values between 0 and 1 where a higher exponent actually leads to a smaller number
@jcantonelli1
@jcantonelli1 Жыл бұрын
Somehow, once he said that 1 < a < 2, I suspected that phi would be a solution. Nice problem.
@erosravera3721
@erosravera3721 Жыл бұрын
Wow! It starts as "plain" calculus, then it take a long steep route through the Gamma function, and finally an elementary quadratic formula, that yields the Golden Ratio!
@yeahyeah54
@yeahyeah54 Жыл бұрын
awesome result
@MothRay
@MothRay Жыл бұрын
As soon as he said it’s between 1 and 2, I said I bet it’s going to be phi. And it was phi. Glorious!
@adfriedman
@adfriedman Жыл бұрын
Great video! For those of us lucky enough to guess the u-substitution u = 1/(1+x^a) with differential dx = -1/a u^(-1/a-1) (1-u)^(1/a-1) du, this gives the normally recognizable form of the Beta function directly without the trig substitutions. I got stuck on this problem trying to find a satisfying x for the equation with the Gammas.
@Alan-zf2tt
@Alan-zf2tt Жыл бұрын
That was beautiful! Compliments to approaching the problem tying it in with gammas and betas and bringing it down to earth with some simple quadratics. And all in < 17 minutes
@cicik57
@cicik57 Жыл бұрын
ohh there is another video in internet of similar or exact same task where also it a power of golden ratio, using that a² = a+1, etc...
@Jack_Callcott_AU
@Jack_Callcott_AU Жыл бұрын
Gee..that was fun❕ The general formula for the integral could come in handy too.
@JianJiaHe
@JianJiaHe Жыл бұрын
I have never used calculus for years, but I found watching a math problem being solved satisfying.
@williammartin4416
@williammartin4416 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ThAlEdison
@ThAlEdison Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that evaluates to (1/a)Gamma(1/a)Gamma(a-1/a)/Gamma(a) for a=phi, phi-1/phi=1, 1+1/phi=phi, tGamma(t)=Gamma(1+t), (1/phi)Gamma(1/phi)Gamma(phi-1/phi)/Gamma(phi)=Gamma(1+1/phi)Gamma(1)/Gamma(phi)=Gamma(phi)/Gamma(phi)=1 This is based on making a u-substitution x^a=u, which gets it to the form (1/a)Int_0^Inf(u^(1/a-1)du/(1+u)^a), which is (1/a)Beta(1/a, a-1/a). One Euler's reflection formula later, and we're at the point where I started.
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 Жыл бұрын
15:30
@aadfg0
@aadfg0 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, phi is the only value in (1,2) for which antiderivative has a nice form.
@rafaeldubois8192
@rafaeldubois8192 Жыл бұрын
What form does it take?
@DmitriStarostin
@DmitriStarostin 11 ай бұрын
You get alpha to be 1.618. The limit of the divisor would then be x power 2.61, and integrated x power 1.61. This is about 1 divide by x power 3/2 (three halves). It is Kepler's law! The square root of time power 3 is an axis of an ellipse. So we get 1 / axis of an ellipse. This may be the eccentricity or the 1 / eccentricity if it has a limit. In other words, if it has a limit, it is an elliptical (and not hyperbolic orbit). It is not exactly 3/2 because 1. the Moon is moving away from the Earth and the planets are moving away from the Sun 2. the universe is expanding 3. one does not count in the Earth's motion against the fixed stars.
@thomashoffmann8857
@thomashoffmann8857 Жыл бұрын
5:30 the obvious inequality is not clear to me 🤔 If x < 1, i can't see the inequality at first glance because 1+x^a gets smaller. E. G. For a = 3 and x = 0.1, the left integrand is bigger.
@xizar0rg
@xizar0rg Жыл бұрын
You've explained it pretty well, despite saying that you don't understand it. Keep in mind he's not talking about the integrands, but the integrals. (The 'smaller' curve (larger values of alpha) has less area underneath it.)
@thomashoffmann8857
@thomashoffmann8857 Жыл бұрын
​@@xizar0rgyes, so it looks like the integral from 0 to 1 behaves different than the integral from 1 to infinity. How the sum of both parts behave 🤷‍♂️
@wesleydeng71
@wesleydeng71 Жыл бұрын
​@@thomashoffmann8857Right. One needs to prove that (1, infinity) overweighs (0,1) which is a homework @14:55 😂
@wolfmanjacksaid
@wolfmanjacksaid Жыл бұрын
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@karn87863
@karn87863 Жыл бұрын
Shouldn't the inequality at the end be flipped?
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Жыл бұрын
The inequality in the HW should be the other way
@SHASHANKRUSTAGII
@SHASHANKRUSTAGII Жыл бұрын
golden ratio
@Rócherz
@Rócherz Жыл бұрын
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@redhotdogs3193
@redhotdogs3193 Жыл бұрын
Beta func def need z-1 and w-1?
@masonholcombe3327
@masonholcombe3327 Жыл бұрын
love how a intimidating looking integral and quotients of beta and gamma functions boiled down to a simple quadratic equation
@saidfalah4180
@saidfalah4180 Жыл бұрын
To golden calculus, golden number! Thank you very much
@allenminch2253
@allenminch2253 Жыл бұрын
What a yet additional beautiful manifestation of the golden ratio!
@SuperSilver316
@SuperSilver316 Жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw that set up I had a feeling the golden ratio was coming
@jcantonelli1
@jcantonelli1 Жыл бұрын
Haha, same - something about the repeated powers of alpha.
@CherylWong-y4b
@CherylWong-y4b Жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, thank you for the video. Appreciate if due credit be given to the author of the math problem.
@digxx
@digxx Жыл бұрын
I think the HW should be clearly reversed, since for alpha->1 the integral diverges and must be greater than for any beta>alpha.
@digxx
@digxx Жыл бұрын
Upon checking numerically, the inequality appears rather spurious to me, since the integral has a unique minimum on (1,infinity) after which it approaches 1 from below as alpha->infinity.
@PawelS_77
@PawelS_77 Жыл бұрын
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@damyankorena
@damyankorena Жыл бұрын
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@birdbeakbeardneck3617 Жыл бұрын
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@binaryblade2 Жыл бұрын
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@mariochavez3834
@mariochavez3834 Жыл бұрын
Asking the real questions
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@shruggzdastr8-facedclown Жыл бұрын
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@sgogacz
@sgogacz Жыл бұрын
7:20 i can’t get why the upper integration bound after theta substitution is pi/2. It was obvious in case of substitution x=tan(theta) but in this case we’re doing substitution x=tan(theta)^(2/alpha) so shouldn’t the upper bound be like (pi/2)^(2/alpha) ?
@fundopreto9823
@fundopreto9823 Жыл бұрын
The thing is, tan(pi/2)^(2/alpha) continues to be infinity, since (infinity)^(2/alpha) = infinity. So you should consider the angle that is inside the tan(theta)^(2/alpha) which is, in this case, only pi/2, if that makes sense.
@siddharthchauhan1129
@siddharthchauhan1129 Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or the integral boils down to b(1/a, a-1/a)/a instead of twice that
@yeech
@yeech Жыл бұрын
why 1/alpha + 1 = alpha?
@threenaj293
@threenaj293 Жыл бұрын
he didnt say that it's a necessary condition, just that if it were to be true then alpha would solve the problem.
@xizar0rg
@xizar0rg Жыл бұрын
A lot of math problems have "clever" solutions that make things work. That's what he's talking about when he mentions "wishful thinking". (This is similar to when Blackpenredpen uses "wouldn't it be nice".) He chooses a solution that works (golden ratio) as a "clever guess", and then leaves it as a homework problem to show there are no other solutions (while sketching out an explanation).
@yeech
@yeech Жыл бұрын
Oh I see
@alexandermorozov2248
@alexandermorozov2248 Жыл бұрын
I had the same question 😜
@anestismoutafidis529
@anestismoutafidis529 Жыл бұрын
α = +log(10² )
@Kapomafioso
@Kapomafioso Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what maths 505 did.
@Maths_3.1415
@Maths_3.1415 Жыл бұрын
Take a look at problem 5 of IMO 2022 And Problem 1 of IMO 2023 Both are number theory problems :)
@enpeacemusic192
@enpeacemusic192 Жыл бұрын
Of course its the golden ratio. Why wouldn’t it be the golden ratio. Why would it make sense for it to be anything but the golden ratio? Lmao
@birdbeakbeardneck3617
@birdbeakbeardneck3617 Жыл бұрын
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