Solving The NFL's MOST Controversial Debate!

[@thelasttruepatriot]

Theres two sides of the debate, people with a brain, and people from Cleveland

[@seansimmons6932]

Good one

[@luke.mp4]

Just a minor point of contention but I’ve never personally seen a Steelers fan say that pressures don’t matter. The stat I’ve seen people say doesn’t matter, and I kind of agree, is pash rush win rate

[@thepocketpasser]

I've heard a lot of fans refer to them as "almost gotchas" cause they're upset TJ didn't win DPOY. Pass rush win rate is definitely more commonly criticized tho. It matters but it doesn't matter enough to give Myles DPOY with 5 less sacks

[@markhenry2558]

​@@thepocketpasser Yeah he has 5 more sacks but he also logged 51 more pass rushes while only being double teamed at 14% less than half of Garretts 30%

[@seansimmons6932]

@@markhenry2558 I didn’t even know that wow I wish all Steelers fans knew that lmao

[@richarddowd4001]

Actual sacks matter more period. Garrett won purely do to politics, everybody knows it.

[@seansimmons6932]

@@richarddowd4001 nah it’s about the skill level of the individual, Myles Garrett is a better football player than TJ Watt easily

[@christianzimmerman6696]

Myles garrett is a great player but TJ is an absolute gamechanger. Single-handedly kept tomlins streak the last two seasons

[@thedancinglobster]

You’re on crack tj watt can get shutdown by a single blocker and usually doesn’t see double teams Myles put up compared numbers while seeing 2-3 times the about of blocks…Myles is lightyears ahead of tj

[@seansimmons6932]

@@thedancinglobster a good example of this is Browns new rookie Dawand Jones shutting down TJ Watt in his rookie season lmao, doesn’t sound like a DPOY candidate to me

[@seansimmons6932]

@@christianzimmerman6696 he can be stopped from pass rushing by one good right tackle and you won’t see Watt past the line of scrimmage rest of the game

[@richarddowd4001]

@@seansimmons6932 browns fans on here are high on politics.

[@richarddowd4001]

@@seansimmons6932 that’s why Watt has made 3 times as many game changing plays as Garrett, but Garrett is better, puhleeeze.

[@ChewsCarefully]

Next year it's gonna be "how the acquisition of Christian Wilkins got Maxx Crosby DPOY." & yeah it should'a been Watt this season. If there's no $ in it not that big of a deal, but what's the point of getting anything _wrong?_ It makes people mad for no reason. Had they given it to him I don't think a single Browns fan would have been able to say Garrett was wronged. Seriously though, Mahomes is gonna have to resort to trick plays a whole lot more this coming season.

[@thepocketpasser]

You might be right about that. Crosby is a menace and an interior threat on the front 7 might be what puts him over the top.

[@ChewsCarefully]

@@thepocketpasser I'm going more with how big an impact An Individual can make. Remember how someone calculated how much worse the Steelers were during the games T.J. Watt missed in '22 due to an injury? So one additional pass-rusher doubles the tasks of the o-line by himself. Of course it would be better to have a solid line - _against the run!_ But if you can't have everything, have a difference-maker. They have two. Does any other team have that? Look how big an impact Jalen Carter had when he played. No one else has two such players on their d-line. Even if o-lines compensate *for them* it means someone else will go unblocked.

[@UsefulPreconceivedNotions]

@@thepocketpasser Just so you know, this is me too. I created another Yt channel because *_BOTH_* my other accounts kept getting comments removed. It's still happens & happens for All Three. But I may have overloaded their system because this last time, it only happened for two of 'em. I don't know _why_ they do it or reinstate my privileges. They never respond with messages, just do both irregularly.

[@ellettaylor4764]

One run play:Trent Williams. Tj watt: 2/3 string Tight End

[@thepocketpasser]

I used it because he pushed him 3 yards off the ball. I get what you mean tho but I think my point still landed which is that they're both good in run D.

[@markhenry2558]

@@thepocketpasser he makes a legit point, look at all the all-pros Garrett lined up over last year, while still posting a 30% double team rate but yet still led the NFL in time to pressure (credited with causing 6 interceptions) While in the mean time Watt literally lined up over scrubs (a back up or rookie in all but 5 games last year) while only being double teamed at 14% and still didn't even crack the top 10 in time to pressure. This is why some people call his stats cherry picking

[@AKalam-wp7wu]

I think Myles Garrett is better for the same reason that Lamar is better than Josh Allen. Myles Garrett just seems to be more destructive in terms of messing up teams. T.J watt just doesn't get the same amount of attention that Myles Garrett does and I think that's really why his stats are better. Both are amazing players though and frankly, it's near impossible to really choose between the 2.

[@thepocketpasser]

I think Josh Allen is better than Lamar so we'll have to disagree on that

[@williejohnson5172]

Actually Bland from the Cowboys should have gotten the DPOY.

[@ysnzay483]

So we not go talk about the titans shifting two tight ends to stop Myles 😂😂

[@circusmaster1441]

FROM DALLAS... I Agree... Stats don't lie.

[@markhenry2558]

For what ever reason people never take into account who each player lines up over, for example Garrett lined up over Trent Williams, Laremy Tunsil, Orlando Brown (twice), Ronnie Stanley (twice), DJ Humphries and on top of that still led the league in Double teams for most of the season. And yet still led the league in time to pressure, which led him to a league high credited 6 forced interceptions. When you look at Watt the best player he lined up over was a Rookie Backup playing injured (Dewand Jones). And he also logged 23 blitzes and almost 200 more snaps

[@dexpayne6330]

Stop lying on the internet

[@markhenry2558]

@@dexpayne6330 what's the lie?

[@dexpayne6330]

@@markhenry2558 Plenty of things 1. Myles Garrett was not the most doubled in the nfl. Defensive Tackles get doubled always over 50% of the time. 2. Ronnie Stanley missed a game against the browns and Myles Garrett missed a game against the bengals. So he faced Stanley once when facing an injury and faced Orlando Brown once 3. Also Orlando Brown, Ronnie Stanley and DJ Humphries were not that good last year so I don’t know why you would think that is a flex. 4. Imagine thinking the best tackle Watt lined up against was Dawand Jones 5. TJ watt played 100 more snaps not 200 more and playing more snaps isn’t necessarily an advantage considering more snaps means you are not as fresh every time.

[@markhenry2558]

@@dexpayne6330 I thought I was being extra specific when I said "most of the season" I didn't know I also had to include edge rusher as well, I assumed that was self explanatory, Humphries, Stanley and Brown were fine last year, if I remember correctly Stanley was in the top 20 of tackles. Your right I must of fat fingered 2 instead of 1. Watt did line up over scrubs all season, who was better than Jones? Jonah Williams? Definitely not. Colton Mckivitz? Definitely not

[@dexpayne6330]

@@markhenry2558 Morgan Moses who graded our higher than all the guys you listed besides Trent Williams. But you act like TJ Watt had a great year because he didn’t face the best of tackles. So what about the 4 years before this year as well? Has he never played a good tackle in his career?

[@christianzimmerman6696]

The reality of the situation is myles garret is great but he went 1 overall and everyone sees him in a higher light bc. J like clowney. 9 sacks is a fine year but people talked like he was a monster, meanwhile he was rushing opposite JJ.

[@seansimmons6932]

Garrett is also better at dealing with 2 OL at once

[@alex_nvrhrdofhim]

u think tj doesnt get that??

[@seansimmons6932]

@@alex_nvrhrdofhim he may, but Garrett gets double teamed every play he’s in, and if he’s not, it has to be a designed play to immediately get the ball out or else it’s a sack.

[@seansimmons6932]

@@alex_nvrhrdofhim also the Browns new rookie Dawand Jones in his rookie season last year was able to shut down TJ Watt, his college nickname was Big Thanos lmao

[@markhenry2558]

​@@alex_nvrhrdofhim He literally doesn't his double team percentage is 14

[@RunBayou]

How would you even know that? TJ plays wide 9. There's not even a sample size to go off

[@bradleyburnett4470]

As a Falcons fan i remember when we Picked Takk Mckinley over TJ Watt 😊

[@thepocketpasser]

I'm so sorry. As a Packers fan I'm pretty sure we picked Kevin King over him if that makes you feel any better

[@kent6732]

Myles is consistently blocked by two or three lineman. That jump over the line and blocked FG vs Indy was insane for a guy his size and the (2) TEs chasing him around back and forth down the line forcing a timeout showed just how much offensive coordinators change their entire game plan for Myles.

[@alex_nvrhrdofhim]

fair but he doesnt effect the game AS much as tj, you can shut down myles garret, but it takes 2-3 linemen, which is still insanely impressive, but you cant stop tj no matter what with fumbles sacks run stopping and pressure

[@markhenry2558]

​@@alex_nvrhrdofhim Watt had nearly 200 more snaps than Garrett, was double teamed less than half as much and literally lined up over rookies or backups in all but 5 games last year

[@seansimmons6932]

@@alex_nvrhrdofhim actually it only takes one person to stop TJ Watt lmao a perfect example of this is Browns OL rookie Dawand Jones in his rookie season completely shut down Watt by himself lol. Doesn’t sound like a DPOY candidate to me

[@safwanmalik3]

Maxx Crosby is much better than TJ. He had the most TFL, tackles (double Myles) and pressures and he had more sacks than Myles. He also played nearly every snap and was double teamed more than both. TJ had Highsmith who arguably was better besides sacks. TJ wasn’t even in the nomination for DPOY….

[@connorrives7059]

Madd Maxx >>>> Your Feelings

[@24Bryce]

Uh no

[@denimroberts3158]

I don’t get why people here are saying Mad Max deserved the DPOY, when agreed that Myles was the deserved it.

[@youngdrudown]

Garrett: Tackles 42 Solo 33 Assist 9 Sacks 14 Stuffs 12 Forced Fumbles 4 (Tie) Fumbles Recovered 1 Interceptions 0 Pass Defended 3 Watt: Tackles 68 Solo 48 Assist 20 Sacks 19 (Leader) Stuffs 9 Forced Fumbles 4 (Tie) Fumbles Recovered 3 (Leader) Interceptions 1 (Leader) Pass Defended 8 (Leader) Crosby: Tackles 90 (Leader) Solo 55 (Leader) Assist 35 (Leader) Sacks 14.5 Stuffs 16.5 (Leader) Forced Fumbles 2 Fumbles Recovered 1 Interceptions 0 Pass Defended 2

[@youngdrudown]

Out of these 3 players, Watt and Crosby both lead in 4 of these major defensive categories, while the DPOY tied for the lead in only ONE of these categories with Watt. Now, I can’t say for certain, because I don’t watch Steelers games, but I know that Watt is listed as a LB, which would probably explain his lead in both the INT and the PD category. So is it really fair to compare those stats amongst these 3 when 2 of them are consistent pass rushers?

[@JamesB-mi9uu]

@@youngdrudownthey also have different jobs and Watt does not rush the passer on many snaps a game, Crosby has more freedom in the 4-3 while Watt has to be fundamentally sound in the 3-4 bc it’s all about gap control in run defense in the 3-4

[@Kenny49ERS]

Bosa would be sad if he wasn’t a honey badger. Honey badgers gdaf

[@Kenny49ERS]

Sad… no heart

[@blakeharris58]

Dgaf* 🙄

[@Kenny49ERS]

@@blakeharris58 nope

[@Kenny49ERS]

@@blakeharris58 I think the joke went over your head

[@JAMEZSP117]

I wish Josh Allen (Jaguars) was in this conversation last year.

[@duketrippy933]

Brother tj sucks and if it wasn’t for Alex highsmith he would have like 5 sacks a year. Tj literally only got 1 sack that wasn’t a 1 on 1 this season and every single sack came 6 seconds into the play. Myles disrupts every play in under 2.5 seconds which is something tj simply can’t do alone. Nothing you say can make up for the fact that tj only eats when the other side of the Dline is dominating he doesn’t lead the charge he plays clean up and that’s the difference between him and Myles. Myles is leaps and bounds better than tj at every level of the game

[@thepocketpasser]

Is Myles Garrett's PR team cutting you a check to say this or do you just enjoy being wrong?

[@duketrippy933]

@@thepocketpasser buddy go look at every tj watt sack this year there was 1 where he won a 1 on 1 rep and 17 where he was handed a sack by the pressure created by the actual good DE highsmith or his all star DT heyward. Tj rarely creates pressure. He rarely wins unless he’s going against the worst competition. If the dline isn’t getting pressure for him he doesn’t get results. It’s why teams leave him 1 on 1 and do everything in their power to send multiple bodies at Myles. They play a completely different game and if Myles got the attention tj did he’d have 30 sacks by week 10

[@thepocketpasser]

@@duketrippy933 blatantly lying is an interesting strategy. Sean McVay said they had to game plan around him and I'm going to listen to the NFL coach over you.

[@duketrippy933]

@@thepocketpasser what about every nfl coach(not just one) that says the same thing and more about Myles? What about all the current and former players, Olinemen and quarterbacks that say Myles is an alien and the most dangerous pass rusher to face? Please do a video to compare every Myles sack to every tj sack and see how not comparable it is between the two

[@JamesB-mi9uu]

@@duketrippy933they literally said the same thing about Bud Dupree and Watt won a Dpoy while Dupree is just hanging on in the league now

[@blakeharris58]

Pretty simple: Garett is a complete player. Watt only stands out as a pass rusher.

[@tommygrubbs2053]

….what? lol

[@thepocketpasser]

I whole heartedly disagree with this

[@lauvarrewilliams7162]

Would make sense if Garett had more int’s or forced fumbles, or sacks, or tackles for loss 😭😭

[@ghotibonejunior3888]

That is literally the exact opposite of what is shown by every measurable statistic for D-line lmfao.

[@seansimmons6932]

I understand what you’re saying in the sense that Watt plays DE and not LB, but he brings results cosplaying as a defensive end