Some Of The Darkest Scenes Left Out Of Game Of Thrones - A Song of Ice and Fire (Books)

Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire video. Today I will be talking about some of the darkest scenes that were left out of Game of Thrones. One of the greatest fight scenes from Game of Thrones was when Brienne and the Hound fought back in the 4th season. But did you know that scene was never in the books? The character she actually fought was known as Biter, and this man nearly ended Brienne's time in the story. Of course, I couldn't talk about the darkest scenes without included some from Theon, or Reek's chapters. Some of the things Ramsay did to Theon, and others, was just unnecessary. He is easily one of the most disgusting characters in all of A Song of Ice and Fire. Let me know what scenes really had an affect on you. I would love to hear them down below. Thanks for watching the video!
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[@MrKingtyrant05]

Jesus Christ, those scenes gave me chills and scared me. damn, they are cruel. I need to read it.

[@MrKingtyrant05]

I have never read the book. should i?

[@santiagopasha1459]

All comments 5 months ago and yours 5 days ago is pinned? Good

[@mikesistrunk6545]

@@MrKingtyrant05 read the books they are so much better than the show bud

[@ma.victoriabalmadres6816]

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[@ma.victoriabalmadres6816]

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[@trippyeast]

The worst part about Reek in the book compared to the show is the slow realization that it was Theon and reading how unrecognizable he had become.

[@inesvandevelde1801]

trippyeast yeah especially because there was already another Reek in ACOK, it was confusing for me at first also because I watched the show before I read the books

[@leilaonline2787]

No, the worst part is that almost a year later people like you are sill complaining! Many vile REEK scenes, skin eating scenes, and child rape scenes didn't make it to the show. Many scenes would not have been acceptable in many countries. The show didn't need all this extra gore. We get the point, it would have literally been Over Kill. This is not Kill Bill... blood, swords and limbs all over the floor. Why don't you appreciate the gifts? You got the show AND there are books still coming out. In a book you could send Theon to Mars and have him build a wolf shaped palace, the show can't afford it. Please stop ruining every GOT vid with "what should have been comments".

[@Dermetsu]

@@leilaonline2787 and here you are complaining about people having opinions you don't like. And here I am complaining about your complaining, it's a vicious cycle.

[@meloderieugif2294]

@@leilaonline2787 He had a fantastic development just to die for Bran the Useless and no one complains about that.

[@I_Don_t_want_a_handle]

@@Dermetsu A vicious cycle? Is that a bike without a seat ?

[@carlospakiu6705]

There's one where Arya and the hound are in a village and a little girl is following her around with a doll. This annoys Arya, because the girl said that her doll looks like a soldier so the stark girl rips it open and says that it now looks like a real soldier. It's not a particularly violent scene but it shows how hard her ptsd is and how all she's been through has affected her

[@TalkingThrones]

Nice selection

[@sleekoduck]

Arya and Weasel are very disturbing. Good pick.

[@dandeleon2764]

Arya, Hot Pie, and Gendry also lose a little girl who they found with a women whose arms had been hacked off. Their village was burned and they were the only survivors, though the woman was catatonic, and eventually died. I forgot how exactly they lose the girl, but she wasn't old enough to speak, and just disappears, and not in a mysterious way; the scenes of war in the Riverlands are a brutal (and realistic) description of medieval warfare, and the suffering of the small folk.

[@admontblanc]

@@dandeleon2764 during a fight I think.

[@OldschoolHIT360]

Dan de León she disappears when the mountains men show up, I think Arya tells her to run? I haven’t read book two in a while

[@michaelalan6459]

Everyone said that Lady Hornwood "ate her fingers" because Ramsay locked her up and starved her. I think he actually flayed her fingers and she bit them off. Theon said that he wished he could have bitten off his when they were flayed.

[@amewarashi5770]

You know I notice a lot of things like this, But that one somehow got right past me. It's even mentioned several times! Thanks.

[@nobbynoris]

As i recall, when Ramsay discovers he has tried to end his torment by biting off the flayed finger he punishes him by flaying a second finger on the same hand.

[@Padraigp]

Jesus ramsey is the worstm give me a burning pyre or a dragons breathe or a white walker any day of the week. ​@nobbynoris

[@derekgreen7319]

I miss thrones for real. Even though the last couple of seasons were not good. I'd still love to see more. I can't wait for the new books.

[@leo-db5uj]

Season 7 was not bad at all. (Ok, i changed my mind i think the Tyrell's end was wayyy too soon same as the Martell's. Ellaria was even dumber than Cersei. Wayyy too rushed. Show died with Miss Margaery)

[@BugattiVeyron267]

Aman Bisht 12D 10 I think the first 3 or 4 episodes were good and then the last half of the season was really bad

[@SirBlackjack010]

@@leo-db5uj Wasn't good either, rather painfully average. It became apparent (for me at least) that D&D have no clue how to properly develop the story.

[@apeskateproductions8962]

Season 6 is pretty underrated

[@daricklapaglia4337]

Idk the first few seasons are so closely following the books but the later seasons are so different i cant even decide if the show makes sense because its so different

[@CreeCore94]

I think it was in a clash of kings, it was when Arya was captured and being taken to Harrenhall in a prisoner wagon, when one of the prisoners toddlers was crying because his father was killed, and one of the the guards got frustrated and smashed his head with mace. That legit made me put the book down for the day. Rough.

[@shanablizzard6117]

Same. That stayed with me for a while.

[@RLucas3000]

Jesus! And the show tried to make us care for the Lannister soldiers in season 7!

[@jrsmith3344]

Reminds me of some real stories I've read about Saddam Hussein's men back in the day. One of their favorite punishments for minor infractions, was taking a person's baby or toddler by the feet, swing it like a bat & smash it's head against a brick wall in front of the parent's. That bothered me for a long time

[@constantinekorkousky3363]

@@RLucas3000 the Lannister men were just as bad as the Starks and all the rest. I’m pretty sure it was the mercenaries who killed the toddler in acok

[@Skitdora2010]

@@jrsmith3344 I had a co-worker when I worked at Home Depot who came back from the middle East, he said he was discharged because his wife had twins which we all knew was a lie, and he repeatedly told a story where he shot a naked 2 year old that came running after him because he thought the kid might have a bomb. He said the toddler deserved it for running after him, because they were all the enemy, but he spoke about that story so non-stop I just assumed it did bother him and he was trying to alleviate his own guilt. He angered everybody else with that story though and he was not the only veteran. They said nobody shot at kids and that would be part of the reason the other guy was discharged. What they did say is that there is a saying in the middle east, Women are for breeding and children are for pleasure, so the children there are victims and not the enemy.

[@GBfanatic15]

Cersei isn't just mean or have a short fuse, she's done so many things in a cold and calculating way....whilst trying to hide the madness within, she will play the victim when it suits her while maintaining control of the situation

[@jenniferblake3224]

Yeah - the scene with the Blue Bard here, Cersei is mad at Margaery for making her, Cersei have to have this guy tortured so horribly! Some twisted logic there!

[@last2nkow]

The ultimate Karen

[@sirjorahmormont3448]

The most tragic is how she manipulated her twin brother, Jamie was definitely the worst version of himself under her influence, and I think that he genuinely loved her, she just used him like a tool.

[@mikepalmer1971]

She is a psychopath.

[@michellegghgvgmichalski1377]

By far one of the most disturbing scenes for myself that stuck with me for a very long time would have to be in Clash of Kings. Towards the end of the book when Jamie Lannister tells Catelyn Stark what happened to Ned Stark's father Rickard,and Brother Brandon at the hands of the Mad King in horrifying graphic detail. It still makes me feel ill all these years later.

[@Cardan011]

That was one of most powerful parts of that book, it clearly reveals why Jamie is the way he is.

[@kL-vs6wz]

What happened??

[@faysuxxss]

@@kL-vs6wz Mad King being Mad.

[@kieronjohn6334]

it was quite lovely i thought

[@workingmamma5342]

@@kL-vs6wz Basically cooked them in their armours with fire.

[@benderthepirate]

Someone *really* needs to make a “Happiest moments in ASoIaF” video. Seriously.

[@GenomeSoldierDK]

If you think this has happy moments you haven't been paying attention. xD

[@ctsphang]

See what you did there, @@GenomeSoldierDK :-)

[@Ramza1987]

@@GenomeSoldierDK Well... Sex parts count as happy moments right? Consensual sex, of course.

[@EricMustardman]

That "Happiest moments in ASoIaF" would win the oscar for the world's shortest video. 😁

[@TaliVarda100706]

The courtyard scene in the pilot, the feast at winterfell and maybe like some jon en ygritte scenes? Arya training with Syrio was kinda happy too. And I think thats pretty much it, god damn this show is depressing

[@lyndsaycrawford]

The fact that Cersei supplies Quyburn with living subjects for him to carry out “experiments” on. She does this to Bronn’s wife’s sister, after Bronn & his wife call their son Tyrion, she persuades the sister n law to have her husband kill Bronn but, Cersei means he should slit his throat while he sleeps kinda thing & she’s enraged when she finds out the husband challenged Bronn & is killed. She sends the woman to Qyburn & gives her a 2nd thought, only once! The book Cersei makes the show version look like an Angel

[@kL-vs6wz]

She was mad because they named their son tyrion?

[@sherryjohnson3804]

💯

[@nunyabiznes33]

@@kL-vs6wz Lolly Stokeworth's son is a bastard. She got raped during the riot during Myrcella's send off (show had this almost happen to Sansa instead). That plus it was Bronn being the stepdad probably makes Cersei think this was an indirect insult on her own bastards.

[@murph8837]

I recall that clCersei later on considers releasing Falyse so that she could place her back in her family's seat in order to get rid of Bronn. When Cersei asked Qyburn about her to bring her out of the dungeon he tells her that False is tired out and is no longer able to even feed herself let alone rule a castle. It just makes you think what on earth could he have done to her. The unknown was often more terrifying.

[@lavellelee5734]

@@murph8837 oh Jesus

[@last2nkow]

The fact that the blue bard scene was written from Cersei's perspective it really shows how she literally lies to herself and how mentally sick she was

[@bobfg3130]

Not really. Maybe she wanted to "convince" the blue bard of Southampton didn't happen.

[@amandaofhouserobinson6707]

That Brienne scene in the books was sooo full on! It's stuck in my mind for good now!

[@whutzat]

You have to admit..Martin is pretty sick to have thought up the things in his books.

[@sheyannebarton1235]

Not really, if you look at the things people have done and continue to do to each other these things really aren't even that horrible, especially the gruesome stuff done in the past, or the stuff revealed about murderers like Dahmer. Medieval torture also, they did stuff that made Reeks and Blue Bards tortures seem like childs play. Sick and twisted, but true life is much worse than his fiction.

[@AR-mp4wc]

The blue bard not only gonna live his life at the wall , he actually gone mad from the tortures he lost his wit when they brought him to testify

[@TalkingThrones]

I had totally forgot that. Cersei really makes me sick sometimes

[@made-line7627]

@@TalkingThrones So batsh*t. "She has soiled me with her treachery".

[@AR-mp4wc]

Talking Thrones some people used to say that she did horrible things just to protect her children , but when AFFC came out and they read the chapters from her POV and saw how she actually thinks they knew that she’s mad and ruthless sadist misogynist

[@araisikewai]

@@AR-mp4wc I think Cersei chapters are written to serve a purpose. It's easy to judge madness from the outside, but her chapters are there to understand madness from her PoV. It's there to tell readers that each PoV are not the objective story. To snap readers out of rooting for some characters because their PoV were actually very subjective and they're blinded by their own shortsightedness. This is doubly true for Tyrion. We keep thinking that Tyrion is the smartest character because he thought he is the smartest one. But alas, he's not. He's smart but his pride is and will be his downfall.

[@jenniferthuente9310]

This actually happened to the bard who played for Anne Boleyn

[@k1n6n07h1n6]

The one part I always think of as being the biggest change between the show and the book is Dany's wedding to Drogo. The show makes their consummation a lot more rapey. In the book, Drogo's more tender with her. His repeatedly saying "no" isn't him telling her not to cover herself. She realizes he's asking her a question.

[@moona3206]

It's still creepy. In the books she is 13

[@k1n6n07h1n6]

@@moona3206 Yeah, but you gotta remember that this was loosely inspired by the War of the Roses, so in the time period this is supposed to take place, it's not uncommon for a girl at that age to be married and bedded.

[@amewarashi5770]

The disturbing thing isn't even the show deciding to make it kinda rapey. It's when you realize that "no." is the only word he knows in the common tongue, and who, and how many he heard it from to associate and learn that specific word for that moment.

[@candidlyopinionated19]

13 year olds can’t consent. And I really don’t think her saying no would’ve stopped him. That’s one of the few times I didn’t mind the removal of ambiguity.

[@k1n6n07h1n6]

@@candidlyopinionated19 but, again, you're looking at this from the lens of society today. Go back and reread Dany's chapters leading up to the wedding. She was being conditioned exactly how you think, that no matter what, that consummation was going to happen, which is why she was surprised when she realized he wasn't *telling* her no, but that he was *asking* her no. And that fit Drogo's character. Every other Khal had a myriad of wives, some former slaves of other tribes and cities they had conquered, but Drogo didn't want a harem of wives. He didn't want his bride to be some slave girl he had conquered. He wanted a queen for his wife. Yes, he gets rough with her later on, but that was still part of his culture with the Dothraki, and when she asserts herself essentially as his equal, he concedes that and their relationship blossoms, symbolized by the fact that their true moment of intimacy was when Rhago was conceived.

[@jasminep9455]

It wasn't cut but scaled down in the show, but Arya's chapters in ACOK after they're captured really disturbed me.

[@coomingnotgoing904]

@Alias Fakename But also, the only reason she was spared the other “worst” is because she was recognized as a girl and taken from the others. Kinda interesting imo

[@gabrieladerre2862]

The Blue Bard scene alone, makes me hope that Qyburn and Cersei both have far, far, far worse fates than they did in the travesty of the show , in season 8. Same goes for The Mountain, Ramsey, and those like them. I wonder if its part of GARY'S goals, to cause us all to realize that out of us are capable of wishing for horrific, "villainous" things, for those who "deserve" them, at least?

[@cruzloera4931]

Merryn Trent got the most brutal death. Ramsey, Cersei the mountain etc deserved that. They all got quick deaths.

[@UlfhedinnNorsk]

IF ANYONE EVER BEEN IN LIFE OR DEATH KIND OF FIGHT, won’t find Brienne’s fight shocking. It is exactly how he describes it.

[@coomingnotgoing904]

The shocking part is what biter specifically does

[@damianlim3429]

i can imagine if you're getting your head smashed in or pummelled whilst on your back on the heavier extent - that's the description and is exactly how it'd feel, without the biting of course, unless that actually does happen... I've only experienced that situation once but i had my guard up was pretty controlled and it was no near as life/death threatening as that

[@jarmadax]

Good picks for disturbing scenes. The one with Brienne and Jeyne totally stuck with me after reading them. I remember one scene where I closed the book in anger towards GRRM for writing something so disturbing: In Dany's chapter in Astapor just before her dragons get their first kills there is this disgusting slaver lord who doesnt know Dany understands he speaking in Valyrian. He implies that he wants to go on with his day and not talk to Dany because later he is to a gambling arena where they 3 slave children - one covered in blood, one covered in honey and one covered in rotten fish and then bet which boy the bear eats first. Truly sickening stuff. The most disturbing thing is that bear bating was a real thing in the middle ages, where GRRM is probably referring to with this.

[@kL-vs6wz]

Did they use children during the resl life bear baiting?

[@asneakylawngnome5792]

@@kL-vs6wz it's the middle ages when that happened, so duh

[@tdvwest9514]

It was actually a form of execution for criminals, not really a betting sport.

[@tdvwest9514]

@@asneakylawngnome5792 It was actually a form of execution for criminals and not a betting sport, I don't think they would have used kids for these things.

[@tdvwest9514]

Bear baiting is when they chain a bear to a stake and have a bunch of dogs maul it to death. There is no information that I can find where they threw kids covered in honey and blood to bears.

[@TheCoco7802]

When Ramsay sees that Reek has blood on his hands and mouth and asks him if he ate his fingers and Reek says that he only ate a rat. Then, Ramsay tells him that rats are property of the Dreadfort and, therefore, property of Roose Bolton. I was like « Wtf, that dude never stops being evil... »

[@aryakeepsafe4142]

There are many historical references in GOT. The torture of Margerys singer Bluebard, was very much like the torture of Anne Boleyns singer when Henry the eighth wanted him to confess to her adultery.

[@v8cool231]

As a father of a young daughter, I can't watch the scene where Stannis has his own daughter burnt alive for that witches spell. Although it's not graphic and mild for GoT, Tears me up every time.

[@teutonicknight23]

Some people refuse to watch it, others get so mad and won’t root for Stannis after that.

[@sitcomchristian6886]

As the mother of a young daughter, I hear you loud and clear. I can't watch anything that has violence against children anymore. Which is....actually a lot of things, disturbingly.

[@edi9892]

I think that in Herrenhall, some women were tied up for anyone's pleasure. That's more disturbing than Brienne and the bear...

[@wamyx8Nz]

In Harrenhall The Mountain also tied up a fat man and would chop off an arm or leg (tying it off first so he wouldn't bleed out) then he would roast it and pass it off as "roast goat" to the other prisoners they were keeping. In the books he's a killer and rapist, in the books he is much more of a Ramsey like sadist too.

[@postpunk6947]

@@wamyx8Nz it's Vargo Hoat limbs has served as roast goat to northern prisoners, also lord Menderly's son, who is very fat. And to Vargo Hoat, of course.

[@kieronjohn6334]

how is it disturbing? its fiction lol

[@edi9892]

@@kieronjohn6334 the image is disturbing...

[@sitcomchristian6886]

@@kieronjohn6334 Ok, so, even though we intellectually know it's fiction, it's been shown that our brains have trouble telling the difference between fiction and reality. So to err on the side of caution, it interprets the information it's receiving as really happening. Hence, people get disturbed.

[@mediocremaiden8883]

@11:42 i bet GRRM based The Blue Bard on Thomas Smeaton...The gay musician who was tortured, blinded, drawn and quartered head on a Spike to confess to being one of Anne Boleyn's lovers.

[@kL-vs6wz]

I literally thought of that same thing during this whole part.

[@hresvelgr7193]

That would be ironic since Natalie Dormer played both Anne Boleyn and Margaery Tyrell

[@joeyjerry1586]

It’s so scary to think that stuff like what happened to Blue Bard actually happened to people in real life

[@Chelbasaur]

Reading of everything that Ramsay did to Theon was rough. Missing his ring and index finger on his left hand, his pinky on the right. The fingers were flayed before he took them off. Ramsay also took toes. Any teeth Theon had left were broken. I've had tooth pain once in my life, and that was enough to drive me into madness. I can only imagine. Theon's hair had turn white and most of it had fallen out. He was never allowed to bathe. He looked like an 80-year old man. The chapter that was labeled "Theon" made me so happy to read the first time. The amount of times he says "Reek, Reek, it rhymes with _____. You must know your NAME" was heartbreaking. Then I turned to the page that said "Theon" and I smiled. This is Martin's world, though. Ramsay may never suffer a second for the things he's done. I really, really hope he does. For Lady Hornwood, for Jeyne, for Theon, for the first Reek, and for all of "Ramsay's Girls" namesakes, and the others that weren't "good enough" to have a dog named after them, he deserves the worst Martin's world has to offer.

[@nycgweed]

Great writing and character development with these violent scenes where you feel the pain

[@TalkingThrones]

That's absolutely right. I felt bad about a very minor character.

[@malirabbit6228]

I remember these scenes from the books. Their were difficult for me to read . And, I am sure that they had to have been difficult for George rr Martin to write. George is showing us the true heart of darkness which beats in the chest of individuals who have unrestrained power. When people are not seen as human beings. To be Hurt. To be Maimed. To be Brutalized. Who pray for death. Unrestrained power is a horrible thing. Thank you , Talking Thrones.

[@kerrieohanlon878]

I'm surprised the scene with the mountain and his men raping the Inn keepers daughter then the mountain giving him a golden dragon and demanding change wasn't mentioned

[@booyakuhsha24]

oh man do i need to read the book again! cant wait for winds of winter!!! but dang did i forget how some of these scenes in the book read, thank you for pointing these out and continuing my love for A song of ice and fire

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks for watching it. This was only scratching the surface. The books are full of dark and disturbing scenes like these. It's fantastic.

[@booyakuhsha24]

@@TalkingThrones the books are dark and full of terrors

[@chaturnandy]

Talking Thrones hey there!!!! Love your videos. When will you do the next chapter reading please?

[@TalkingThrones]

Very soon

[@derekdurst9216]

I honestly thought 7 was good but I haven’t read the books so that might be why lol

[@sixshotmegatron9988]

This is one of the best channels for Game of thrones this is Amazing brilliant

[@TalkingThrones]

You're too kind

[@patriciafinney7233]

Ramsey skinning people was the sickest for me. The old northern women who tried to help Sansa. That to me was very upsetting.

[@yaboyed5779]

The Quentyn chapter were he talks about the fall of Astapor. The whole thing was dark

[@charlesvanonselen6251]

The fight between Oberon Martell and the Mountain was particularly gruesome!

[@reek3654]

There is a scene in Book 5 I think where Bran is warging into Summer and comes across the dead bodies of the Night's Watch deserters who murdered Jeor Mormont at Craster's Keep and he starts to eatbthe flesh of their bodies. I know he is not actually eating them, it is Summer who is, but it was still pretty dark. Also this us not super dark, but in book 5 when Dany is in the pits watching the fights and her husband Hizdar keeps trying to get her to eat some snack (I dont remeber what the snack was) and she refuses but the Strong Belwas eats the snack you find putnit had poisoned him, then you find out Hizdar was trying to poison Daenerys so that he could get full control over Meereen. Hizdar did nothing on the show at all except die, idk why they kept this out of the show.

[@MK-ti2oo]

I think it was honeyed locusts!

[@coomingnotgoing904]

Strong Belwas was lowkey one of my favorite characters

[@reek3654]

@@MK-ti2oo thanks

[@reek3654]

@@coomingnotgoing904 yeah I liked him too

[@kettenschlosd]

i just looked it up since you made me doubt my memory: belwas is definitely still alive. He just lost a bit of weight while recovering from the poison.

[@dantediaz8157]

One that I really liked was the one midget priest who Brianne invited to eat, he was going to king's landing and later in a Serseis' chapter two dudes presented a head, but well obviously it wasn't Tyron's :(

[@missmagpii]

When I first read the biter chapter, I was absolutely glued and had my heart racing for her. Seeing show biter and my imagination was very different. Brienne is my favorite. I wish they put it in the show though.

[@Ashas.Garden]

I’d planned to read the books, but after your description of Theon eating that rat ... I’ll leave the books to stronger hearts than mine.

[@arduskaine3381]

There is not that many of these scenes and the books are worth it. As said in the title he took the worst of the bunch.

[@tuantrananh4015]

you will really miss out if you skip the books then. it much better than the show in my opinions

[@perfection3252]

@@arduskaine3381 well actually there are quite a lot of these scenes and I like it because it shows what some real people are. Tbh I can't wait for the Winds of Winter

[@sarahp936]

Re: Blue Bard this whole thing is exactly what happened to Anne Boleyn in real life. Incidentally, she was also played by Natalie Dormer.

[@nyarlolhotep514]

I think the description of how Cat reacted to what happened at the red wedding was pretty gnarly. Also, how they dumped her naked into the river after cutting her throat. Yikes.

[@naimaahmed9730]

That wedding scene really messes me up it’s just so disgusting

[@TalkingThrones]

Absolutely

[@amewarashi5770]

Which wedding?

[@Ytnzy250]

@@amewarashi5770 Red wedding. Look it up. If you dare 😁😁😁

[@TabiiKnutschaa]

@@amewarashi5770 I think Minrene was refering to the wedding scene from Ramsay and Jeyne/Arya which Talking Thrones read at 15:33

[@audreypamment6532]

I remember reading some really gruesome things about Vargo Hoat and what happens to his character (be warned, it's pretty disturbing). So, after Harrenhal is taken over, Hoat is imprisoned and his hands and feet are cut off. His ear then becomes infected, turning black and leaking pus. The Mountain decides to finish him off slowly in the way that Hoat himself usually kills others. He cuts off Hoat's limbs one by one over an extended period of time, but keeps them bandaged so that he stays alive. He cuts off his hands, feet, arms and legs, and after Vargo is finally killed by the Mountain, his head is shown to Jaime, and his lips, nose and ears had been sliced off. That's not even the worst of it -- the Mountain feeds the parts of Vargo's body to Vargo himself before he dies and also gives them to the Northern prisoners of Harrenhal while telling them that it was roast goat. Pretty disturbing stuff.

[@shindari]

The only scenes I regret are missing from the show, are all the "vision" scenes, that Dany has, involving Quaithe. Those would have deepened the plot so very much. For a long time, in the show, it felt like Dany had nothing to do at all. Only when the "harpies" attacked her at the fighting pit, and she was carried away by Drogon, to be captured by the Dothraki again, did her subplot become interesting to me.

[@amewarashi5770]

The Reek chapters were, probably the hardest to read. Alot of the Mountain stuff is straight up awful. But the image that stayed in my mind the most for some reason was probably when Lady Breanne's escort takes a 3 balled chainflail to the knee. Also the juxtaposition of a Monty Python style taunting vs. Strong Belwas ummm... responding (outside Astapore I think), just shows that words on paper and your imagination are beyond anything the censors at HBO will allow. Also just the description of a guy left in a crow cage (maybe an Arya chapter?) couldn't be much worse than being there, all but for the smell.

[@ieatzebraarah]

The fact the first scene you mentioned is the first one I thought of because it haunts me & im only a few chapters away from that scene in AFFC

[@TalkingThrones]

It was one hell of a fight scene. What happens to Brienne after she gains consciousness isn't too good either.

[@ieatzebraarah]

Talking Thrones it really is and the picture that GRRM paints for you is the stuff of my darkest nightmares

[@karenhindson1695]

If possible, Euron is even worse than Ramsay

[@lyndsaycrawford]

I think they’re as bad as each other in different (& sometimes the same) way

[@SoundwaveSurfing]

Did you already give up on your chapter-by-chapter breakdowns? :P It's been like three weeksssssss

[@TalkingThrones]

No I didn't give up on them. It's just hard to stay focused on those, because they take so long to make, while getting less views than these other videos. I'd prefer to make more of what the most amount of people want to see.

[@elenim.6535]

I like your chapter videos, too.

[@mayaowens3388]

I like your chapter videos too! Keeps them fresh in my head until WoW comes out.

[@jonborg753]

@@TalkingThrones i really love your chapter breakdown videos to!

[@SoundwaveSurfing]

@@TalkingThrones I completely understand. I just thought that the rate they were coming out at first was to be expected and now I know that it will not be a regular schedule. No worries, love the content!!!

[@kateklein8874]

Thank you for making these videos! They truly make the story telling even more interactive when its shared with a community! As dark as they are, I really enjoy listening to your view points and readings.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks for watching them and commenting down below. It helps my channel tremendously. If it weren't for all the interactions I wouldn't be able to do this as often as I do.

[@polarbearhero9803]

I didn’t read the bad ones. I have enough trauma from mommy dearest in the head already without willingly put more in.

[@malirabbit6228]

Polar Bear Hero I understand.

[@annaberkovitch85]

Great vid! As I was watching it, another scene came to mind. It may not have been he grisliest of them, but to me it felt utterly harrowing. After Arya and the Hound escape the Twins, Arya is sure Robb had been killed, but there is hope still that her mother may have been spared and is held for ransom. Then Arya falls asleep, and as she does, she sees her mother's face, and she feels she can almost smell her ... and then she does. She has a wolf dream, in which she wargs onto Nymeria, and, inside Nymeria's mind, she witnesses as the direwolf fishes her mother's naked and mutilated body from the Green Fork. The scene did not have the usual grisly details, yet even so it shook me to the core.

[@samclontsii3548]

I know this is a pre-released chapters for WOW, but you should have included The Forsaken chapters...man oh man, Euron is crazy...

[@TalkingThrones]

Yup. That's a great one. Good choice, my friend.

[@juliekrayeski7461]

Thank you for this video. I haven't read the book so all the sections you read shocked the hell out of me.

[@candidlyopinionated19]

Same

[@benderthepirate]

Here are just a few things that disturbed me (in no particular order except the first one): The Forsaken: literally the scariest thing I’ve ever read Lannister war crimes in ACoK from Arya’s chapters Dany’s visions in the House of the Undying Red Wedding Oberyn’s death Biter eating Brienne’s face Tysha backstory Brave Companions Theon’s nightmare in ACoK and subsequent rape of his mistress Tyrion and Bronn turning that singer into soup. What happened to Lollys during the riot Literally everything involving Gregor, Ramsay, and Euron Tyrion turning to the dark side Sacking of the Saltpans

[@naveenthomas9931]

James P Oh yeah and remember in the first book, the hound cuts up the Butcher’s son into pieces and hands it to the his father in a sack, and he first thinks that it’s hunted boar meat.

[@karlapedroza660]

I hope you continue your chapter videos i really really enjoy them. I've read them all but I'm not very good at deciphering hidden meanings and whatnot. When i watch one of your chapter videos i go back and go through that chapter again, makes it so much better 😊

[@meloderieugif2294]

The only thing I didn't like from all the books was this scene from Brienne's pov, she had already suffered so much, there was no need to screw her face even more.

[@luvprue1]

I was so mad when they mess up Brienne that way. 😡 a potential suitor that she was considering marrying gets killed, then they mess up her face so it will make even harder for her to find a husband.

[@luvprue1]

@@henrikg1388 I wasn't expecting a Cinderella ending, but I certainly wasn't expecting them to mess up her face.

[@meloderieugif2294]

@@henrikg1388 If I were expecting the books to be Disney like I wouldn't be reading them for the third time, I just thought at that very moment Brienne had already suffered a lot on the hands of the outlaws , fought a bear and all and the guy who attacked her literally chewed her cheeks, as I read that part I felt like it was a little bit of shock just for shocking , there were another way to make her meet with Gendry.

[@hahaheterjag]

Melissa Oderieugif Better than the show, making her overpowered beating three of the best fighters in Asoif. Her magical Stark-gps, finding Arya and Sansa, twice. Choosing to kill Stannis over helping Sansa but then also gets to save Sansa with no consequences over her actions. Also finding Stannis alone in the middle of the battlefield with no one around was just fan service.

[@justarandomgirlvx3578]

@@meloderieugif2294 yep that's true. But if we look at medieval Europe, it is realistic. I really hope that Brienne dies at least as a knight... I don't think she survives TWoW

[@Saltwaterfish96]

I really need to re-read the books.

[@lyndsaycrawford]

Exactly how these vids make me feel

[@gcs7817]

Or the manner in which Ramsay was “captured” and how Reek #1 “died” - what a complete sociopath

[@ladyr7321]

This is great. I’d forgotten some of this stuff happened in the books. I’d love more videos like this. Thanks for all you do.

[@yoonginavy4967]

This is the best channel on KZbin! 💫

[@crystalgee7885]

Thank you for keeping Games of Thrones Alive❤️

[@BorkBloxYT]

Who else can hear Gwendolyn Christie’s war cries throughout the Biter fight?

[@NefariousEvildoer]

The torture of the Blue Bard reminds me of what happened to Mark Smeaton, a lowborn musician in the court of King Henry VIII when he was married to Anne Boleyn. When Anne failed to give Henry a male heir, he tired of her and wanted her beheaded, but had to make up some excuse to have her arrested. He had Mark Smeaton tortured until he admitted he slept with Anne, as well as several other lords, and said Anne's own brother slept with her too. Despite his "testimony", Smeaton was executed all the same, his body so broken by torture he had to be carried up the steps to the headsman.

[@everythingdivine]

You and 37 other commenters

[@angelinad3713]

its interesting how natalie dormer plays both anne boleyn and margery

[@louiewelling3197]

Thought I would come and watch a new video but Now I’m just reminded of how much DnD blew it !

[@tonyaniehaus3296]

The scene with Brianne and Biter is the most intense thing I have ever read in my whole life!! Love the video!!

[@Jungkimhunts]

I’ve reread/listened to the ASOIAF books 4-5 times and I still CANNOT get through Brienne’s fight with Biter it makes my sick to heard the details every time...

[@xxstexx7450]

Idk if it makes a difference on how you look at that scene but here's a reminder that in the books brienne starts as 17ish so about 18 when that fight happens.

[@TalkingThrones]

Wow.. I completely forgot her age. That makes me have even more respect for her. She's a f'kn boss.

[@lluewhyn]

Almost all of the characters are much younger, which really changes the perspective on them. Robb, the brilliant young general, is barely sixteen years old when he is murdered. Daenerys was 13 years old when she was being raped by Khal Drogo and is just fifteen or so at the current point in the story. A lot easier to criticize the characters when you see them played by fully adult actors on AGOT, instead of the pre-teens and teens they are in the books. Hell, even when Joffrey was assassinated Martin made a point of saying he was just a terrified 13-year old boy.

[@lyndsaycrawford]

lluewhyn Drogo doesn’t rape Daenerys in the book, he’s much more tender with her & like you say they’re both teenagers but we should remember being a teenager then (if it’s safe to assume ASOIF is primarily set in a medieval kinda time) was completely different from being one now! Henry Tudor’s mother gave birth to him when she was only 12!! I’m sure there were many more like it. This is documented cos he eventually became a king. Responsibilities & hardships of life came much earlier unfortunately. Young girls were married & mothers by the time the were 15 & men were leading armies to battle or just fighting in them at the same age, it’s scary to think about. I’ve got a 15yr old son & the thought of him going off to battle with some farming tool doesn’t bare thinking about. GRRM is amazing at capturing this destruction of innocence

[@lyndsaycrawford]

Arya is basically a child soldier & she’s only about 10 (if that?) when the books begin she may be even younger?

[@shardes]

She's 19 in aCoK and 20 during aFfC.

[@XN1K1T4X]

I’m glad certain Cersei scenes were cut. She comes off so inhuman in the books.

[@justarandomgirlvx3578]

not inhuman, but narcissitic and sadistic

[@-.Germanicus.-]

They definitely made her more "likeable" in the TV series 🤣

[@lluewhyn]

She also comes across as way more delusional in the books, making huge mistake after mistake while telling herself "Man, I am soooo smart".

[@lyndsaycrawford]

I think the book shows her TRUE colours a lot better than the show, she had moments of empathy & compassion on the show (rarely, but they were there) & it was completely inauthentic to Cersei’s actual character

[@lastbaratheon8043]

When Ramsey's demise finally comes around in the Books I hope he has 5 chapters dedicated to a slow death. Him and his cronies are too much to handle in both parts of ADWD.😡😡😠😤

[@jessicastraw6593]

That scene of Brianne’s fight was so gross to read. As was Ramsey and Jeyne - so disturbing.

[@chandlertucker7843]

One of the only continuity errors I’ve noticed from George, he always said biter didn’t even have a tongue, but when he’s chowing on Brienne he has an outrageously long tonguw

[@emilegriffith1473]

Was it written from briennes pov?? Could be her imagination but i firgot the small details. Wasn't it the spear coming thru his head?

[@ellielulu6750]

Chandler Tucker that wasn’t a tongue that was gendrys spear

[@emilegriffith1473]

@@ellielulu6750 ah yes that's right! - at that point she was really î from tussling with Biter, and literally getting eaten alive. But the imagery was clearly alluding to Gendry putting a spear through the back of Biter's fat head. That was the best chapter in what was IMO the worst book of the series.

[@ellielulu6750]

Emile Griffith why was it your least favourite book?

[@davidc6510]

Ramsey was the most sick and twisted character in the GOT franchise. It was satisfying to see he died by his own dogs.

[@timgalaviz1322]

In retrospect that death seems not likely how it will play out in the books. GRRM style.

[@jaiadithya3776]

Crow's eye beats him in sadistic index

[@nobbynoris]

I have always hoped Ramsay might end up a prisoner of Euron Greyjoy. He'd get back what he did to others times ten. Euron is a true, grown-up sadist and psychopath and by comparison Ramsay is just a boy pulling the legs off a spider.

[@shannond7437]

In ASOIAF think you want punishment and justice until it actually happens.

[@anonakkor9503]

So many don’t like feast but it’s one of my favorites

[@-.Germanicus.-]

Not a direct passage, but there's always the mystery of the knight king He's never mentioned in the books. He played such a big role in the TV series but in the books, we know little to nothing about him.

[@BrooklynRedLeg]

I think Arya will give Jeyne the Gift of Mercy in The House of Black & White. She will then either take or be given Jeyne's face and return to Westeros. She'll have one more name (at least) on her list: Ramsay Bolton. She will poison his dogs with Basilisk Blood, causing them to go insane and he'll end up being chased to death by his own hounds (either from them gnawing him to bits or Arya eventually gutting him like a fish). In all likelihood, he'll lose bits and pieces to his dogs, much as Theon did.....

[@awwhellnaw8214]

Minus all the commercials strategically placed, absolutely great video!!

[@Hejdo8]

To me one of the most disturbing things from the books is when the sparrows reveal to Cersei how they had tortured one of the Kettleblacks and then Cersei tries to escape but gets captured

[@conors4430]

Blue bard scene shows perfectly cersie’s paranoid delusions

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

I have all these chapters memorized, just stopped by to hear you read them! You did not let me down!

[@moneymayweathera]

Jeyne Poole😭. George is so cruel

[@alolai2327]

Hey man great I can't wait for winds of winter

[@chaturnandy]

I found all the scenes involving Ramsay very chilling. In the series Iwan Rheon has done an outstanding job!! Like i said before I’m waiting for winds of winter before i start reading the books

[@TalkingThrones]

He definitely nailed that portrayal of Ramsay

[@zeex4904]

One of the most disturbing scenes to me is the mercy chapter (the excerpt from twow) what arya does in that chapter is just so disturbing i still cannot believe arya was mercy.

[@maxgoss2350]

Winter is coming...

[@RoseKoneko]

Reading these books and being a history nerd makes the scenes even more effective. Take the Blue Bard. This is a reference to what they did to a bard and Queen Elizabeth’s brother. Henry wanted a reason for divorce, his men went to get that information whatever the cost.

[@luvprue1]

Does Ramsey know that his bride is not the real Arya Stark? I know Tywin,and Jamie know. But to Roose,and Ramsey know that Ramsey 's bride is Jayne Poole, not Arya Stark?

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Ramsay seems to know about the way Jeyne was "trained", which means Roose knows it too. If Roose also knows that Petyr Baelish is behind all this, than he might have guessed some trickery.

[@luvprue1]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 Does Roose know that Bran, and Rickon are alive?

[@tuantrananh4015]

@@luvprue1 Roose know about Bran and Rickon, i think Theon one heard one of conversation between Roose and Ramsay something like " we have grudging support of the North at most, what you think gonna happen if one of Ned son show up" .

[@tanbatir1887]

Good assemble from the books. Indeed, they are wicked at some moments. As for chilling episode, I won't forget what the Mountain did to Vargo the Goat, when he re-take the Harenhall from the merry band....it is dark and vile, as the Mountain can be

[@kai_johnsonn]

What about the scenes with Arya and Gregor Clegane? There are three extremely disturbing chapters I can think of there...

[@MMadesen]

Which ones.

[@koreyk0]

with gregor?

[@wadewilson8011]

Theon suffered the worst fate of ANYONE!

[@johndevenney7144]

Need the Spinoff

[@graceskelton3268]

The Ramsey and theon one horrified me the most I think

[@princeofdorne3415]

TT that was straight up nasty! Oh how i love how brutally nasty how GRRM mind is.

[@joymike6408]

Great video. I love the detail n which u narrate your channel. As for channels mostly or exclusively devoted to GOT, u have no peers, u r the standard, and u set the bar very high. Well done. Keep up the good work. We r watching. 👍💯🔥💯❄️💯

[@gavrosaurus]

Biter chapter was the most disgusting and disturbing in whole 5 books. Just awful.

[@coachb2766]

Excellent recitation my man . Nice editings.

[@vina3451]

Of course books and TV are different mediums and require a different approach, such as I've learned over the years. I thought the torture of the Goat was missing in the show.

[@lindakight3597]

The death of Shireen upset me for days .

[@TalkingThrones]

Really? She's still alive in the books.

[@ThatFuckinGame]

@@TalkingThrones George has confirmed atleast three times that it will happen in the books by the hands of stannis.

[@charlesmorris8412]

Keep em coming!

[@dorianbedorian211]

Great video!! No wait, EXCELLENT video...but dude, its BRIANNE(pronounced BREE-ANNE not Bray-Anne)

[@ctsphang]

Dorian BeDorian, so pedantic. Point is, she *still* lacks a good chunk of her face.

[@henryhill6126]

Great job and selection of dark moments from the GOT universe. A word about Ramses' demise. I thought he deserved a great deal of suffering to match all his evil deeds but his end was just. First, if anyone had to punish him in the way he harmed others, they would become a Ramses like person. One should not become what we hate or fear. Ramses created his own demise. Those dogs were trained by him to do evil at his command. It is fitting that he punished by being destroyed by his own evil. These two reasons are why Ramses end was appropriate.

[@sickdream4067]

How Vargo Hoat had parts of his body cut off over a long period of time while he was kept alive, and then these body parts were cooked and fed to some northern prisoners, and to Vargo himself.

[@ryanbrets7695]

Vargo deserved it though.

[@gabrielbreaker8859]

Ramsay needs to spend some time aboard the Silence, in the dungeon

[@flakey414]

Brienne's scene with Biter was probably the worst thing to read, however the worst thing to think about was probably something that wasn't explicitly shown, the fate of the people Cersei sent to Qyburn to... experiment on. I honestly don't even want to know what they went through.

[@TalkingThrones]

Lord only knows what Qyburn is really doing with those "experiments."