Someone's Dying on Turn Two, but Who? | Against the Odds

[@BobbyxZx]

who would have ever thought necro winter would come back?

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's back!

[@mattm7798]

For now. It's basically turn 1 Tibalt's Trickery so I really hope it doesn't last long. So many non-games.@@MTGGoldfish

[@Atmapalazzo]

It's either necro or dark ritual getting restricted, my money is on dark ritual.

[@travisbrown9936]

@@Atmapalazzothey should restrict necro, it’s still be super busted without dark ritual.

[@demiurge2501]

@@Atmapalazzorestricting ritual would hit Belcher and lotus breach too actually so doesn’t seem unlikely. Depends on the metagame challenge results next month I bet

[@yoadzephyr6660]

That guy ritualing thran spider out and doing absolutely nothing else be like: My goals are beyond your understanding

[@jek15origami]

Whatever they were they still couldn't beat necro 🤣

[@noodlesalad]

"We could just Necro to 12" cruises past 12 classic Necro

[@apocpon1944]

Hey, waitaminute, this is just channel - fireball with extra steps!

[@colinjones5379]

Wait shit u right

[@SomeOfTheJuice]

It's channel fireball in a Molotov cocktail!

[@oelboy]

🤯🤯🤯

[@flaash69]

Shout out to Bear, protecting us from the evil horses

[@FelisPuma]

I love Seth's enthusiasm so much, but hearing stuff like "everyone should be playing timeless" shows how easy it is for content creators to forget the wildcard situation most players face.

[@bensteinhauser784]

I totally understand Bear's fesr of horses. If I saw a giant, mutant human with fucked up hands I'd also be scared.

[@maikocat]

This deck embodies the adage that the only life point that matters is the last one.

[@ashdog9235]

Yes however all the arena players I’ve faced have always necroed themselves into bolt range and I’m playing rakdos burn. So I’ll also add know what range leaves you at 1

[@tristian2598]

@@ashdog9235 so many necro games lost to "man i hope they dont have exactly two bolts and a bow master"

[@karanojin]

dog is scared of horse because horse is like a big messed up dog

[@MTGGoldfish]

That actually might be it. Bear is massive so he isn't scared of much, but he might know that a horse could take him down.

[@1997Awesomedude]

imagine think you're a pretty big dog and then seeing a horse for the first time, it would be like meeting bigfoot face to face

[@lacrimursus8727]

Big messed up dog with giant scary toenails

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

It depends on the dog. My jack russel absolutely _adores_ the big messed up dogs, much to their chagrin. Seems to be somewhat genetic as well. He has never in his life seen a horse up to the proud age of 12, and _immediately_ fell in love with them. Same with the first time we saw a fox. He had _zero_ idea of what to do, but for an hour he was like 'AAAAAAHHHH have you seen the fox? There was a fox there. Lets go there again, maybe the fox is there again. Fox!'. But in general, yeah. It's a big powerful animal with very sharp ends that tends to be incredibly fidgety and nervous. If your even remotely in getting-stomped-on-territory, you should treat them with the respect they deserve. A lot of people need to learn that the hard way, maybe dogs are just smart.

[@DimT670]

​@@SeleenShadowpawI'm pretty sure your dog isn't somehow genetically predisposed to like horses, but is just a mellow older dog who thinks every animal is friend

[@CptManboobs]

Exiling cards with Necro to boost the power of your hasty Legend has big 'Goku charging the spirit bomb' energy.

[@CrowsofAcheron]

It should take 20 turns then. Winning on turn 2 is more like instant transmission.

[@curtissearle6462]

Is Goku an X-men?

[@winssports4830]

​@@CrowsofAcheron compromise then Instant Transmission Kamehameha.

[@narkfly]

On the next episode... 5 episodes later: "...ha... me..." 😃

[@imnotwhiteiswear]

Mandatory "seth could have won" 36:32 Fetch shock, down to 8 life, necro, exile top 7 cards going to 1 life, "leela" goes to 10/10, attacks, exile top card, 11/11, plus the army and bowmaster is lethal

[@PhetaFox]

Yup, he forgot about layla attack trigger

[@g-masexer7405]

The spirit of bears ancestors are calling to him to hunt a horse lol

[@davidwipperfurth8465]

Lol, this is basically channel -> Fireball with extra steps. I love it.

[@thepoorgamer3208]

Please remember if you find someone using Callous Sellswords “fling” it is worded as a Bite spell where it needs a target creature, so if you use a removal spell wait until it is on the stack and then remove the creature, that will fizzle the Callous Sellswords “fling”

[@WashtubScout]

Bear is a good boy, what a heckin protect he does

[@violet_broregarde]

aww Bear's such a good boy :D

[@tardmonkey7319]

"It's ok we are wining" might be my best Seth's quote ever somehow

[@6tiple6ix6afia]

I only enjoy timeless through these videos because I just don't have enough of the cards I want and I a hesitate to craft them just for a single format. So these vids have def become my favorite on this channel

[@maileesaeya3614]

I feel the need to point out that there was an out at 34:20. It's not a huge out, but: let your opponent play out their turn, hopefully using up their mana on Ragavan or Demonic Tutor instead of holding up Lightning Bolt. If they do hold up Bolt, use Thoughtseize to either take it or force it. Either way, once the Bolt threat is gone, Necro down to one, play Blackcleave Cliffs, and fling the Death's Shadow. This puts the opponent to 3 life, with you having 1 spare R/B mana available. If one of the cards you Necro is a Lightning Bolt, then you win. Like I said, it's only a small out, but it IS an out, and it would've been a great turnaround.

[@DiogoVKersting]

I don't even think is that small of an out. Worst case scenario Seth is drawing "only" 6 cards, but 4 bolts are in the deck. If the opponent punts Seth can even tutor for a bolt guaranteeing the win.

[@maileesaeya3614]

​@@DiogoVKersting While the odds of getting the Bolt aren't that bad (around 47% to 70% depending on how much he gets to Necro for), the Tutor's a no go. Seth doesn't have a Dark Ritual, so he doesn't have the mana to Tutor, Fling, Bolt.

[@thecrazycapn]

Finally a payoff for Necro.

[@deejay.zedemex]

Literally burst out laughing when opponent Thoughtseized the Necro and Seth immediately topdecked the Ritual...

[@SparkMandrill]

The absolute natural way Mr. Olive uses the concept of "teaching arena zoomers" brings ALWAYS a smile to my face.

[@Metallicity]

If Seth worked for Inquest magazine: "Can We 20 Our Opponent with the WORST RARE in Ice Age?"

[@horsebones727]

I’ve been rocking a blue heavy (only non-blue non-fetch is a single forest) temur tempo kind of shell in ranked Timeless. Necro is one of my favorite matchups. They spend their life, I protect a Ragavan and counter their Beseech’s nd Sheoldred’s etc., and punish their ridiculous life loss. It feels good.

[@BTrav330]

Love the content Mr. Ollive

[@flaremag1975]

I thought about this deck right when timeless came out and was like "Why has no one built this?" Glad to see one of my favorite channels popping off with it!

[@diggdugg]

for timeless, I would like some of the cards that are already on arena be make available for crafting, tron lands come to mind. We all need big Emrakul, or at less something with annihilator. would also like to get Progenitus, more for brawl then timeless but still. And I guess something to make re-animator a deck would be fun too.

[@acclrator]

Starting the video now, Seth just explained how Necro/Laela is supposed to work, I’m expecting a mono red lightning bolt loss.

[@HimitsuYami]

This deck is the epitome of "the only life point that matters is the last one"

[@Skylersuzy]

I see a lot of Necro in timeless.. I gotta say, I don't mind. I think the card balances itself out. Either you win quick or lose quick. Makes for spicy brews and more games per video.

[@SilverAlex92]

Gotta say, that title is art xD

[@wudgethenumbers]

I've been playing Rakdos Necro with Laelia in Timeless for a while, but my version is much more midrangy and less all-in. I don't even play Dark Ritual in mine because Necro is the only thing it's all that good at casting (I play Deathrite and Ragavan instead, so I can't t2 kill, but have t3 killed before). Also, Alchemy Shadowheart is one of the best cards in the deck. Red specialize combo kills with Necro similarly to Laelia, but even just the bear that pings both ways and threatens the flip is good when I'm the beatdown, black specialize helps stabilize against burn and the like as a 4/4 lifelinker that effectively drains for 1 on end step, 4/4 Deathtouch is super relevant for enabling Temur Battle Rage kills to close out games against Titan Field type decks, and even the green specialize (off Deathrite and green splash fetchables for Deathrite) and blue specialize (off sideboard Ashiok) end up being relevant in weird edge cases.

[@demiurge2501]

This is such a sweet idea!!! I saw someone theorycraft this with the alchemy version of shadowheart but this seems better

[@zealiskander]

6:50 "There's probably a possible turn 1 kill" Yeah, like the same hand but with 1 extra Dark ritual instead of a land lol.

[@clintcook8691]

So it’s not a good idea but it’s funny. I’d love to see a brew where you make the match end in a draw.

[@TheJakeL152]

i think you missed lethal at 13:32. you had bolt and molten collapse, you could have just killed both stitcher suppliers and swung for game assuming they didnt mill narcomeba.

[@OGNoNameNobody]

Next for Timeless? Easy! Two Words: *Sliver* *Queen*

[@lacrimursus8727]

41:14 … that line from Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade: “He chose… poorly”

[@randomloginnamebtw7759]

This might be too late of a comment for you to see, but seth if you put the game in full control when activating necro you can quickly add a bunch of activations onto the stack and then just let it resolve together. saves a lot of time.

[@Mr_Dopey]

Turn 1: Greedy Freebooter/Shambling Ghast Turn 2: Phrexian Tower Turn 2: 4 mana Just as good as turn 2 dark ritual

[@crosslockhart5263]

At 34:19 I think they were dead depending on if they tap out for monkey or tutor instead of leaving up bolt right? If they tap out you can get deaths shadow to 12 power with necro play your fast land demonic tutor for bolt and deal the last three

[@47Mortuus]

Please hold CTRL while using Necro. Not only will YOU not have to sit through each card being exiled individually, if YOUR OPPONENT has a Brainstorm or whatever, they won't have to click "Resolve" 20 times. Flusterstifle doesn't exist so it's pretty safe (99,9%) as well.

[@ben_clifford]

That Natural Order/Ghalta deck was sweet-looking

[@ursulcx299]

Wait, couldnt you win that game vs natural order? Fling death's shadow for 12 and ligthning bolt to finish it? Granted you didnt have the bolt in hand but I would have at least tried it?

[@mylesdessi6490]

Exactly at 12 life he could have drawn 11 cards to hit a bolt and that game is his

[@guilhermetheodoro5759]

I want strip mine in timeless. And then make another copy with a diferent name, so I can play 8 strip mines. And 4 wastelands.

[@allnightgamer792]

Your question about cards we would like to see in timeless I was just thinking about this morning! Rishadan port would be awesome to see, and maybe some more D&T pieces. Gaddock Teeg, Arbiter. Maybe getting the OG Eldrazi Titans in there as well.

[@dunderraka238]

Most fun playstyle in magic, on the egde! Nice

[@dunderraka238]

And make another 12 hours vid of this plz!

[@dioblo12341]

I would love to see bride from below (I used to play a budget legacy dredge deck). It’s such a weird hard to play with/around

[@danielrazo450]

36:24 Literally screaming at the screen that Laelia buffs herself by attacking, so Seth had exactly lethal here.

[@fromadhdtodndtomtg]

It's good bud, it's good - we're winning. Here for magic and the Bear revelations.

[@Sxcheschka]

I want Counterbalance in Timeless, and old school Elfball with Emrakul, Aeons Torn.

[@stonerainproductions]

Seth, I REALLY want Smokestack and Wasteland on Arena terribly. I want to play actual Stax

[@johnwilliams2385]

God I love this deck, how cool.

[@I_Punch_Demons]

Turn 1: Dark Ritual Seth: Panik Op: Thran Spider Seth: Calm

[@MindstabThrull]

"Bolt the Bird" on Arena = Gilded Goose (honk honk!) in play?

[@zacharyahearn4069]

Dark dark dark ritual bolas citadel, Or ornithopter, phyrexian tower, ritual ritual bolas citadel. Citadel into necropotence and aetherflux reservoir.

[@ArleneMarvell]

That domain player managed to make every mistake possible, bruh

[@jaydub5515]

If it wasn't so many wildcards to craft, I would play this all weekend just to get into Mythic

[@ecoKady]

I think we need to start a gofundme to get Seth some help to deal with his Arboreal Grazer trauma.

[@daktastik]

Grab a leg!

[@MTGGoldfish]

lol

[@vonbaldric9767]

When he said Bear hates horses I thought he meant horse-tribal with Shadowfax or something lol

[@ELFudgeOreos]

I love me some fling and big ol creatures

[@theotherjoedimaggio]

can we get Doomsday yet? Doomsday + Laelia = super fun

[@maxlancaster975]

Leonin arbiter would be great for this format in my opinion

[@miguelfreitas5343]

32:28 I've actually been thinking about this for a while before. I think the card I'd love most to see added would be Ensnaring Bridge, though I'm pretty sure they'd never do it. After that, it'd probably be Academy Manufactor, because I love Lonis xD I do have to say though, if they ever add free counters I'm probably gonna stop playing this format alltogether...

[@capstorm4767]

IDK how to submit decks, but i have the perfect 0 rare deck for you, i went 8-10 with this deck on arena Bone shards fruits of tezerus Blazing Rootwalla Faithless looting Bitter Triumph Alms of the vein Thrill of Possibility Firey Temper Kitchen Imp Add what ever lands in equal proportion black and red (i like mount doom for lategame ping damage but that goes agenest no rare clause) Sideboard (typically if you can't agrro them out,) feed the swarm Raze the effigy abrade Bitter reunion (your favorite removal spells to deal with what ever your opponent is playing)

[@mantissaPuc]

About Necropotence, during Extended era, there was a saying: How do you balance a format? Unban Necropotence, then ban everything until Necrodeck is the top deck, then ban Necropotence 😝

[@Malik1378]

Forget the fog meta, against the odds is the fling meta

[@Knux84]

"Fastest kill in timeless" You *almost* had a turn 1 kill the other week I think with that Dark Ritual -> Dark Ritual -> Bolas's Citadel leading to a storm. One more spell and you'd have stormed off and killed them before they could even play a land. That game was DISGUSTING and I LOVED IT

[@KingMasteron1]

One small nitpick but wouldn't a instant speed fling be better? You can draw it off the Necro and cast it end step. Im not sure there is one on Arena however Edit: yeah he talks about it around 21:40, seems to be no good instant speed flings

[@MTGGoldfish]

I was torn, instant speed would be better, but they cost 2+ mana, which we don't usually have on our end step, so I'm not sure what's better. If we had a black Fling (to work with Dark Ritual) or a cheaper instant Fling on Arena it would be great.

[@darksideofthesand]

I think you missed a lot of damage here. Play the fetch and fetch a blood crypt for descend then molten collapse both stitchers and swing in for potentially lethal, it leaves you dead to a creeping chill off the top but I mean you were kinda already dead to a creeping chill off the top.

[@jms4979]

I can't remember, is Battle of Wits on Arena? I have a dream of using alchemy cards to play a 60 card deck that does some kind of infinite Conjure loop to conjure another couple hundred cards into the game and shuffle them back into the library and win with Battle of Wits.

[@jms4979]

I came up with a couple ways to do it with Gixian Recycler (assuming infinite mana and any permanents I want on the battlefield lol) but nothing remotely practical. I freaking love Gixian Recycler, that card demonstrates how cool Alchemy _could_ have been. Alas... 😢

[@Gitah92]

With two DR's and lands of both colors. Can't you wait and play both necro and "Leela" on turn two? Giving you the additional card draw.

[@jedimindglitch89]

This is just Hatred

[@Sxcheschka]

We need The Spanish Inquisition in Timeless.

[@supertux2998]

Timeless is the epitome of why arena will fail. Most people just can't afford it.

[@brentonbacker1888]

“Layyyyla got me on my knees Layla begging darling please Layla” Never stop being you Seth. That’s Eric Clapton for all you zoomers.

[@DonovanPresents]

Kazuul's Fiery is an instant fling that can be a land as well.

[@alaraplatt8104]

believe me, seth knows all about all the flings, he loves flings. not only that, this is the king of MDFCs right here!

[@bremtreaty2469]

At 34:25, it would be worth it to necro down to 4 (or less if they tap down) in case you draw exactly death shadow + callous sellsword for the double fling right?

[@bobzour]

Necro draws at the beginning of Seth's next endstep. I had the same thought and was thinking he might be able to desperation draw but he wouldn't be able to cast anything he drew before the opponent attacked with Ghalta and Atraxa.

[@NMS127]

You get the necro cards at the end of your turn, so there wouldn't be an opportunity to use them before he died.

[@jeremypiles1787]

Unless it was a lightning bolt + 12 power ds, = 15 exactly no? ​@@NMS127

[@leevinen3]

but he could have drawn cards down to 1 life, fling shadow and hope you get a bolt from the necro cards to finish opponent in end step

[@bremtreaty2469]

End of *your* turn... dang yah he was just out of luck you're right@@bobzour

[@denniswman]

Is the Thran spider player just memeing? There was this story about a player in a Vintage/Legacy(?) tournament that played a land, cracked a Black Lotus, and played... a Giant Spider 😆

[@denversmith5556]

You’re from rurual upstate -NY? Bro I live in Collins ny. About 30 mins away from amish country lol. I love the Amish trail haha. I play basketball a lot in pine valley -NY

[@jaelte]

Ahem. I believe it's called "turn tomb."

[@DrMetropolis]

Necropotence is such a miserable card. I feel like I have to include it in every list I build.

[@tomoyaitoi6813]

Karn vs necro on game 1 is like so timeless lol

[@rhettk6263]

Me i built a 12 mulch deck from legacy but with the arena cardpool I really wish like Exploration, wasteland, manabond, etc etc etc

[@garrettneary3755]

How much damage do you think Bear would do to an opponent if you Flingged him?

[@zaven4365]

el veneno al final diciendo que solo es un poco mas poderoso dark ritual con necro que con la araña, jsjsjsjsjs

[@jamesdrummond7684]

requiring four cards out of your first 8/9 cards (two rituals, the creature and necro--knowing only seven of them when initially drawing) is not in any way something that should be considered "a turn 2 win" deck. you successfully did it second game, but the odds are beyond small.

[@cheezybred]

Not even a bad deck, it has the shadow plan as a legit plan b

[@TheAngelRaven]

If you had a Lotus Petal turn 1 with 2 Dark Rits, Swamp, Necro, and Laelia you would have a turn 1 KO. Swamp > Rit > Rit > [6 Black] Necro > Petal > [3 Black] Petal for Red > Laelia > AGRESSIVELY NECRO

[@astuteanansi4935]

As said by the wise, "the only life point that matters is the last one"

[@Sparky-yx9oz]

I love legacy madness, so rootwallas and LED would be sweet. Is lions eye too busted for timeless?

[@jackvogel701]

I love bear understanding modern matchups lol

[@michaelcollins4534]

If i could add any cards it would be reanimate, animate dead, life/death. There's no good reanimation spells and thats really sadge. Also maybe its time for dark ritual to get limited to 1

[@c0nscr1ptx]

Why can we Prime Time and Necro, but when you suggest Stinkweed, Golgari Thug, and Grave-Troll suddenly it's a step too far?

[@keoshine]

36:25 You forgot to count Laelia exiling a card when she attacks for +1 extra power, so you actually had exactly enough damage to kill that turn..

[@davidcochran6974]

Wodded foothills fetches basic swamp, seth down to 10. Necro puts 9 counters on Leila, up to 12 pwr, seth down to 1,attack up to 13 + 2 from bowmasters.

[@subversive_dubs]

How about a decklist for arena??

[@Morrigan4242]

lol, my friend's pug hates horses too. goes berserk

[@domri4203]

Someone should tell Seth he killed someone on turn 1 with storm.

[@cooperburnham2359]

The only thing you learned this week is that arena players really don't know how to block

[@zirilan3398]

32:45 "I kinda want them to model it after Legacy and not Vintage" My guy, you`re playing Rule 0 Vintage right now