The Internet Archive Is Losing Its Lawsuit...

[@TheOzumat]

It's been 12 years since the last meaningful protest we organized on the internet. It's time to wake up.

[@s1nistr433]

If you can't buy the product anymore, then pirating isn't stealing it anymore

[@xneospace]

We must archive the archive.

[@hcbs1986]

The fact is the internet is not the same as it was back in 2012, and websites nowadays would be more likely to not support Internet Archive, rendering it meaningless.

[@holderrrrname]

We must archive the archives

[@hcbs1986]

xneospace Good luck with that, they're so big they need a special-made server to store it

[@couldntsetpass2901]

If Internet Archive loses, this is where free information ends.

[@DigitalLobstershow]

Information was never free. Library cost money, internet cost money.

[@nathanwilson4814]

Oh no? It's not like you can look it up the internet

[@hardatak]

Just host it into another country lol

[@cammyman32]

Indeed!

[@Needler13]

The Internet is dead

[@daveg5088]

The irony of the whole thing is that the publishers don't give a care about the true owner of the works - the authors - who have come out in droves supporting IA.

[@tpd1864blake]

Yep, authors don’t own books anymore. They sell the rights to the publishers because how else will you get people to buy your book?

[@nullpoint3346]

​@@tpd1864blake Publishers are evil.

[@tpd1864blake]

@@nullpoint3346 yeah it reminds me of Toby selling the rights to Undertale’s music to a publishing company so that he could stop big corporations from using his work, and he specifically instructed them to be lenient on enforcement with people using his songs in the context of the game. And then they proceed to give out copyright claims to ANYONE using his songs in any context (of course, they immediately back down upon disputing the claim since they don’t really have any right to sue)

[@わたるりんch]

separating the authors from the publishers is like separating the neutral-good from the pure evil. it's all businessmen

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@わたるりんchlet’s be honest: what is neutral in reality?

[@jaxonbaker4516]

if this goes down we are losing one giant chunk of the entire internet i fucking hate this

[@billmelater6470]

Get ready for A LOT more than just entertainment to get memory holed.

[@marcusbullock630]

google is already screwing with searches making it much harder to do research.

[@MidnightNachos]

@@JackyEverlast corporation..

[@MatthewsPersonal]

IA management shouldn't have poked the bear with blatantly illegal practices. Their mistake is a tragedy for all of us

[@JayElJay]

@@MidnightNachos 🤓

[@Apex_Slide]

Some things people should remember: 1: The BBC recorded over the original Doctor Who seasons because they were taking space. To this day, the early seasons of Doctor Who have not been recovered in full. 2: Runescape, yes, RUNESCAPE, was almost lost to time because they had no save backups, and it is only through sheer luck and willpower that we even have OSRS, let alone the dataminers giving us a glimpse into unused and unrecovered content. 3: These "licence holders" can revoke that licence at any time. Anything you have that's digital can be taken away from you at a moments notice without compensation.

[@qubeh1203]

the first also happened with the original carson tonight show recordings. those were only recovered a few years ago by chance.

[@OtakuXP2]

Same thing happened to the original Toy Story files - only saved because someone in the production team kept a "personal" copy backed up at home

[@Williamfp]

The BBC had a massive junking issue up until 1974 it's a wonder we have the third doctor at all

[@rotgarg5308]

There are MANY instances and examples like you have posted above where we have found lost media on internet archive and the companies that own said information downloaded it to replace their lost property to sell better quality products. Captain N The Game master was a abandoned cartoon were a episode was saved by the internet archive or it would be lost to time. Now you can buy the episode on itunes or whatever BECAUSE some awesome guy with a really good betamax recorder had the episode and put it up for us AND the owners. SO many examples of this. They wanna come at us now after profiting of our archiving? Fine, we will just go back to our newsgroups and IRC and do the exact same thing as we did before the internet archive, completely guilt free this time.

[@NullParadigm]

Abolish IP and this all goes away. People could of copied all the old doctors who episodes and shared them freely, same with runescape, and same with the problem of license holders, I downloaded the game and can continue to have it copied by others, done and done.

[@UnbanMeNowOfficial]

It's incredibly sad that something as beneficial as the Internet Archive is under threat. While legally they may have crossed lines, ethically and morally, their intentions were pure. It's a precious resource that shouldn't be lost due to the mistakes made in good faith.

[@4x13x17]

Unethical and immoral to save stuff that big corpos don't want to save anymore?

[@zoskiethewizquit.7338]

@@4x13x17You might want to reread that.

[@4x13x17]

@@zoskiethewizquit.7338 Read what? Legally, sure. Ethically and morally? No.

[@zoskiethewizquit.7338]

@@4x13x17 You were asking if it was unethical and immoral to save what corporations didn’t want, right? I replied what I did because the original comment said that The Internet Archive was fine ethically and morally and it seemed as if you misread it.

[@kqlolll2618]

Prometheus

[@GoofyGoober7582]

Here's the thing: Most people DO NOT pirate books off of IA because they're photoscans, not text files. People generally inspect older books and/or academic material.

[@voqz6667]

A lot of the stuff has OCR and is obviously very readable

[@GoofyGoober7582]

@@voqz6667 It's unconvenient, especially if you're using an e-reader like Kindle, consideringyou can't highlight/select any of the individual text. Photoscans converted to EPUB/MOBI have terrible formatting.

[@AkitaMix]

You think photoscans can't be converted to text?!

[@GoofyGoober7582]

@@AkitaMix They can, but they often have many errors. Listen... Just try it for yourself.

[@voqz6667]

@@AkitaMix they can't. You can only add a layer of OCRed text on top of it

[@jasondisney]

Internet Archive also mentioned how publishers forced them to remove "1984" from their library. Coincidence? I think not!

[@ProfessorBuge]

LITERALLY 1984

[@Homiloko2]

That's because the book still sells well..

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

That also reminds me of how numerous schools also petitioned (And in some cases won!) to ban the book in schools. I find it both funny and terrifying how they think banning a book about a dystopian future full of censorship is a GOOD thing.

[@ProxiProtogen]

1984 is ironically a required book to read in my state 💀

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

@@ProxiProtogen GOOD! All people should know about the future that we will get if things don't change.

[@keiranleeoates]

"if we lose it means we lose not just a history's and literature and art but we lose the ability to properly investigate things that happened in the past and actually bring real investigations justice to individuals " I can see why companies want this gone, they don't want you archiving all the fucked up shit the have done and will do as well as making sure the little guy can't defend themselves against multimillion dollar company, companies will always nuke anything that can protect the people against them and Archiving is one thing they know can be used to remember stuff and help people win cases as everyone deletes and tries to erase their fuck ups when it blows back in their face.

[@tpd1864blake]

Yeah I’ve seen companies silently changing the terms of service on their website without updating the “last updated” date or even sending notice to anyone. Basically, they change the terms of their warranty to invalidate refunding or replacing your product in some situations

[@nullpoint3346]

​@@tpd1864blake Alright, time to kill terms and conditions.

[@tpd1864blake]

@@nullpoint3346 I just think that forced arbitration should be illegal. Because without that, you could sue if they tried silently changing the terms. But the FTC is spineless

[@justice8718]

They think they can go above God’s law with corruption. It’s pure insanity.

[@keiranleeoates]

Feels that rules and laws aren't meant to keep companies and people in order anymore and are now made to keep people in line well companies and even the government bypasses them.

[@McLeakyAlwaysWatches]

You know what NO. Fuck these lawsuits and FUCK the wants of big media. Everyone start archiving EVERYTHING. WE KEEP REMAKING THE INTERNET ARCHIVE UNTIL THEY GIVE UP.

[@roux6715]

Unless you have like 50 massive HDD’s we can’t really back up the entire archive…

[@jamescollins6085]

Would need about 2,000 20TB hard drives, I think.

[@MegaBiggworm]

I really don't know what it's going to take before people stop taking the beatings from the wealthy and corporations.

[@zomfragger]

​@@jamescollins6085 Your looking at around 100 to 300 Peta bytes. 1 Petabyte is equal to about 1000 tb. That's just a guess on the amount of songs videos games and books produced since 1920. Edit for forgetting about auto correct.

[@lel1103]

Unless you want to end up like Gary Bowser it's probably a bad idea. And that's ignoring the fact that not everyone will archive everything.

[@s-zz]

>Dr Disrespect Streams again I sleep >Internet Archive is in trouble Real shit

[@Moberri123]

Both ironically are about pdf files

[@turbo11]

​@@Moberri123😂😂😂

[@a_plastic_bag]

@@Moberri123 god damn that’s good 😂

[@Kawaiistarzone]

​@@Moberri123oh i get it now LOL

[@grimsyn8174]

Both absolutely suck

[@zdanee]

The Internet Archive should not be a project some random blokes do in their garage, it should be an international organization above governments, like the UN, that's how important it's existence is. Trying to shut it down is an actual crime against humanity.

[@Theatricsanddramatics]

I agree wholeheartedly. Something like this should be completely legal and run internationally. "Oh, this media hasn't been available in [x] amount of years in any form? Well then the public is allowed to record and save it." Or even authors who are pissed at their publishers and want to put up their work somewhere. This project isn't just pirating books, it is preserving history. The fact that people would rather work against it than for it really shows the world we live in.

[@Pihsrosnec]

IA has legitimately done more for humanity than the UN

[@Tim85-y2q]

Pure hyperbolic nonsense. It's always been a part of publishing for certain things to go in and out of print.

[@yessum15]

​​@@Tim85-y2qCorrect. It has always been a part of life that knowledge is lost and that entire species go extinct. For that reason we should not try to intercept an extinction level asteroid if given the chance. Do you see how silly you sound? The fact that tragic losses have occurred during historical times when we didn't have the ability to prevent them is not a good reason to put down our preventative technology today and allow them to happen again. What sort of Luddite nihilism is that?

[@PersonausdemAll]

​@@Tim85-y2qBIG NONSENSE YOUU

[@Vorticough]

absolutely evil.... the fact that there are people actively trying to destroy such an important archive for their own personal benefit and the law not only lets it happen but encourages it disgusts me people like that are in the way of actual progress and should be ignored

[@thephoenixking1086]

Yup, this is the reason I dislike Ellon Musk so much, people worship him like he is a god, spending billions on his crap yet most of his stuff is just that, CRAP, why not spend that money on things that can actually help people.

[@jeremydale4548]

Not just ignored, they should be thrown in jail for wasting everyone's time

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

this is common practice. media is viewed as just a product to sell. not something to be preserved for the next generation to enjoy. they used to destroy film reals of movies to save space and materials.

[@maylabrown4584]

@@thephoenixking1086 You really got Musk living rent free in your head lol

[@YouMissedAgainTimes32024]

​@@thephoenixking1086Elon Musk is not the one doing this weirdo

[@duffinthemuffin5792]

If we lose the internet archive I would equate it to the burning of Alexandria. Edit: All of you goobers need to chill out. It may or may not be a myth but my point was the amount of sheer history and potential knowledge that would lost would be substantial much like a potentially mythical library in a time when most knowledge wasn't written down.

[@katthefantastic]

Truth!

[@bagingospringo4396]

Someone was trying to say it's a myth

[@katthefantastic]

That's a crappy myth to start. One of the billionaire'$ should start donating tarrabits to store the archives. They still have all that footage from that one lady who filmed for like 30 years straight. So very sorry I can't remember her name. I suck.

[@r.b.ratieta6111]

That's more accurate than I would like it to be. 😭

[@chrisalex82]

​@@bagingospringo4396it is a myth But comparing to the myth, losing the archive would be even worse

[@4RILDIGITAL]

Their breaches of copyright law, no matter how unintentional, could result in the loss of an invaluable tool for internet users worldwide, not to mention the potential erasure of vast amounts of digital history.

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@4RILDIGITAL It was meant for banned books.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

Clearly nobody ran this past legal when they were deciding to push the limits so far. There are libraries available throughout the developed world that have ebooks available these days. And if you're not in the developed world, then copyright laws are much less likely to be enforced the way they are in the US. The whole thing was just asking for trouble. And yes, I think it's rather ridiculous that so much is currently under copyright protection, but it is what it is and this type of action just leads to bad outcomes. Even under the best case scenario, all we would get out of it is a favorable precedence, but given the way the courts have been going in the US, that was never going to happen.

[@arandompasserby7940]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade "I think it's rather ridiculous that so much is currently under copyright protection, but it is what it is" That "I don't like it but it is what it is" is a statement that can be attributed to why most transgressions of human rights existed in the world. "I don't like slavery, but it's illegal to free them because they're their masters' property; it is what it is." "It is what it is" is exactly what things are what they are.

[@airam1721]

​@@arandompasserby7940 couldn't have said it better

[@MoonieLovegood]

@@SmallSpoonBrigadei still have not found an affordable version of books i needed for school. Those “libraries” don’t have everything so you need to be subscribed to 30 online libraries which costs a lot of money.

[@addyhadmelike655]

corporations can steal, lie, and cheat to make a profit, including stealing personal information to train AI models, yet the people can't have access to information for educational purposes. Sick society we live in

[@d1kgaws12]

Literally. “The Public Be D-mned” is back as the motto of the modern day.

[@GoronTico]

and its just gonna get worse when do we start the revolution?

[@andrewblack2596]

That’s AMERICA and the REPUBLICAN PARTY!

[@npcpotpie]

@@andrewblack2596 Keep your politics out of this. Greedy corporations are to blame.

[@radaro.9682]

​@@npcpotpienothing political at all about corporations, dude. You nailed that.

[@Megamon0001]

There should be a law stating that if a company refuses to provide access to a certain piece of past content be it a game or movie or even a book, they do not get to tell others not to provide access to said content

[@moonlightuwu3252]

Ye

[@roux6715]

If you can’t pay for it then how can you steal it? You can’t. If they don’t offer a digital product anymore it should be free

[@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196]

Do You sell your children? No? Well they are mine now, bye!

[@ILovePancakes24]

Awful take. Children are not products. It's for media, meaning if it's no longer sold or available in any way then after 5 years it should fall into public domain.

[@Milbyte11]

@@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 nice strawman

[@soldier1stclass987]

that website stores 30 years worth of knowledge, i mean literally. college and university students going to have a hard time finding citations and info if it's taken down

[@kbhasi]

It's more than 30 years of knowledge. I know this as I've previously used the Internet Archive to research historical design and product availability/pricing information from before the IA was established, including public-domain content!

[@nenabunena]

​@kbhasi I agree far more than 30 years, I've looked up old magazines from the late 19th century to the 1920s. They have old books from hundreds, even thousands of years ago.

[@psyentific]

@@nenabunena I think soldier is referencing the length of time the archive has existed and that thirty years is the representation of that work collecting not that it only has information from within that span of time

[@archivethearchives]

Well, Wikipedia often cites InternetArchive links as sources for internet media or books, especially in place of links that no longer lead to functioning webpages. So this will be a huge hit to free information on Wikipedia as well. Very bad. 🤷‍♂️

[@freedomdude5420]

Does include red word links bias?

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@archivethearchives It's not that. It's meant to affect banned books.

[@matthewboire6843]

We live in a dystopian world now, did you know internet archive was forced to remove “1984” a book about massive censorship and a dystopian future?

[@devonm042690]

@@Box1-lf9hv Why are any books banned?

[@whome9842]

A lot of those links are dead too. I often check the links and the archives are often gone. It is awful how we are letting people destroy history.

[@cladladd]

We're gunna have to archive the Internet Archive

[@ellievate1337]

Internet Archive²

[@foodstuffs9808]

They cant sue all of us, the system moves too slowly for them to stop us once the ball gets rolling​@@JackyEverlast

[@idontwannatypeaname]

​@@JackyEverlastthey can't sue us all

[@todthetoad5331]

​@JackyEverlast better than losing history and art

[@JamesTDG]

@@JackyEverlast Swarm tactics kinda kills the court system though. It is why pirated media can remain on the internet no matter what

[@oriongear2499]

People say this is because of Copyright, but what this is really about is Control.

[@Left4Cake]

Copyright IS Control

[@zekiz774]

It's the same thing. Copyright it control over media

[@johndinner4418]

Love that game

[@jeremymoon9088]

​@@Left4Cake It's amazing that had to be said...wtf

[@LongDefiant]

Jesus isn't real

[@shaninejackman9395]

No,not the Internet Archive! So many older-treasures will be lost 😭!!!

[@cammyman32]

I agree!

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yeah, the true end times is here if that happens not gonna lie.

[@paleoberd]

Lost media 2

[@idolsrule4678]

Library of Alexandria fell to the Christians….Babylonia (Hall of Wisdom) fell to the Mongols….. Internet Archive fell to the Globalist Post-modernist elite. History repeats.

[@hapwn]

Modern day book burning 🔥🔥🔥😈

[@zackmagic4242]

Yea, we may lose centuries of art, media, and history. But think of the value to the shareholders.

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@zackmagic4242 Actually, we can't. It won't shut down, it will only affect banned books.

[@Tekker2234]

​@@Box1-lf9hv 2 things. 1 this is not about banned books. 2 the concern is not so much that they will be directly shut down by court order but that they will have so much that they will have to pay to the publishers that they will go bankrupt and be forced to shut down. These copyright holders will likely be trying to make an example of the archive and so will intentionally try to get a high enough amount to force them into bankruptcy. Publishers have been trying to close physical libraries for a long time. Mainly because they believe that libraries hurt their profits by providing their stuff for free. (personally I think libraries operate in that respect as an alternative-to-nothing, where the people who would be taking out these books, particularly fiction books or historical works, are the kinds of people who would have the funds or ability to get these books normally, but they have a different opinion.) Also, circling back to the banned books point. There's nothing here about banned books. The books aren't banned. They are subject to copyright, which means that the holder of that copyright (literally the right to copy a particular book) has control over who can make copies, how they make those copies, how many copies are made, and how they can distribute those copies. In this case the Internet Archive violated this by (effectively) distributing more copies of books than they had permission to do.

[@whome9842]

@@Box1-lf9hv It already is struggling and many pages are lost forever every day. There are webpages I used to access on Internet Archive that no longer are available.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

​@@Box1-lf9hvwtf is a banned book?

[@nothpx]

@@exosproudmamabear558 lolita is a banned book

[@axenik]

It’s insane that the courts are recognizing that if the internet archive allowed for downloading something multiple times more than having physical copies of said content is “wrong” but at the same time doesn’t recognize that corporations get away with selling infinite digital copies of the same content with many times more digital copies than physical copies of said content. Bastards.

[@Neo-Tone-q5i]

You mean big tech?

[@Tim85-y2q]

Because they own the underlying IP of said content. You're comparing apples to oranges.

[@gianlucatartaro1335]

Imagine being so morally corrupt that you sue a non-profit that helps the world… Down with corporations.

[@lukaszspychaj9210]

Yeah, imagine suing a company that lets people download your copyrighted material for free.....

[@NullParadigm]

Down with the state that gives corporations special privileges. You're angry at the wrong people.

[@Ollybollyk]

@@lukaszspychaj9210 Oh no, how could they ever recover the lost revenue from the potential sales of an IP they neither created and aren't currently selling. Oh please, someone, think of the poor publishers that aren't publishing! Will no one defend our capitalistic values? The thing I think is most disgusting in all of this is that I've seen publisher funded news articles surrounding the case, which describes IA as some kind of malicious entity aiming to profit off the works of authors who can't defend their IPs, and these giant publishers somehow being the "knights in shining armor" coming to save the day! Gross.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

A lot of piracy sites are non-profit it doesn't change the fact they're illegally redistributing other people's content.

[@bighen2162]

@@lukaszspychaj9210imagine defending the corporation over the keeping of the internet archive keep licking them boots bro

[@GamersBay]

This is downright scary, if the Internet Archive were to fall, much of our digital history will be wiped off the face of the Earth entirely! I get the arguments over copyrights too, but to delete history when the original rights owners have long pulled a piece of software from public access leaves a lot to be desired. We all need to do our part in supporting the Internet Archive and its quest to preserve our digital history.

[@ahmadsufi4367]

@@devilselbow 🥶

[@QuartQ3]

​@devilselbow dude your opinion is sooooo different and abnormal

[@Box1-lf9hv]

It ain't gonna be taken down.

[@TheHallOfTally]

@@devilselbow The worst take imaginable, ya nerd

[@HorseLegend]

@@devilselbowpedo

[@BAeAirHawk]

Why is Internet Archive being beaten down whilst many companies are scraping the Internet for their AI models anyway?

[@Sephiroth144]

Because after they've used it for their purposes, why would they care?

[@IDoThings490]

Money, the answer is always money

[@venoltar]

If you know you are a bad guy you will be evasive and cover your tracks. If you think you are in the right, or at least have a good argument for it, you likely won't hide the evidence, and as such, will be much more likely to get destroyed by the justice system.

[@SimplyDuker]

@@IDoThings490 Some are more about power and control.

[@ainzer2903]

​@@SimplyDuker and some prefers all of them😊

[@jackdaniel3135]

Here's hoping that some gigachad downloads the entire archive and makes a new one hosting out of some under regulated island or other country.

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

Unless it's some gigachad from the future with a 1 Petabyte hard drive then it's unlikely. The WHOLE Archive is massive.

[@DDosAndDonts]

"[IA] amounts to more than 40 petabytes, or 40 million gigabytes, of data. The Wayback Machine makes up about 63% of that"

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

@@DDosAndDonts That's what I'm saying. No one person can really download the WHOLE Archive. Sure they can download files of things that personally interest them (Like a mechanic downloading specific files for a specific vehicle and year, or car/mechanic magazines) but not the WHOLE Archive.

[@ponyoplushie]

I’m archive right way, let the internet archive stay

[@JamesTDG]

@@FrederickTheAnon14W I mean, we could bring together teams to establish additional archives across the world. I know multiple countries in Asia are very lax over copyright, we could get a european cousin to the IA (since the EU is literally our only shield against companies ATM), we could invest in Africa and South America getting better internet infrastructure and thus establish archives there later on

[@Trashman_Len]

If a company is no longer selling a product, it is not piracy if you get one yourself.

[@izzy-wt9sr]

Abandonware theory, yej

[@FromIndiaWithLove-jt9ih]

In india we are pioneering a lot of technology use every day

[@Godspeedhero0]

The entire idea that making a copy of software is theft is honestly ridiculous on its face anyway. This is equivalent to calling the police because someone repeated a sentence you said.

[@Tim85-y2q]

@@Godspeedhero0 Making a copy is not inherently illegal, it's what you do with that copy afterwards that often can be.

[@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack]

Error in your argument: if a publishing company stops printing a book, that book is still under copyright protection for dozens of years.

[@peterman2790]

if the internet archive gets taken down, we're gonna need another internet archive to access the lost data

[@CrimesonCarnage]

We the people will never give up

[@OneRedKraken]

I'm mad at the publishers for pulling the trigger. But I'm also mad at whoever at the internet archive greenlit the over-lending of the digital books. Risking that site feels like something that wasn't considered in the decision making process at the IA.

[@6arag3]

Yep its very clear it wasnt a decision made with a looot of forethought. It may have been noble at the moment, but dear god it was also the stupidest decision to risk everything.

[@BriBCG]

Yeah, everyone is condemning the copyright holders for doing such an awful thing and while on some level they're not wrong, Internet Archive brought this on themselves and they definitely deserve part of the blame for whatever outcome that happens.

[@OneRedKraken]

@@6arag3 You know the IA Lawyers had nothing to work with when one of the arguments is "scanning and lending the books digitally" was somehow "transformative"... Doomed defense.

[@bodiwire]

I just can't fathom how they could do this and think it wouldn't be a huge problem. They've always danced on the knifes edge between fair use and copyright infringement. Do they not have a legal dept to run stuff like this by? I realize it's a non-profit and they need to run a lean operation but in the space they occupy lawyers are as essential as servers.

[@mickeyoshea2035]

Perhaps it was an intentional sinking? Inside op?

[@traditur_]

Copyright Laws need amended.

[@jackhanma6848]

i agree, needs reworked really. i mean, the law likely didnt even think to account for whats going on today.

[@Micchi-]

It's a double edged sword. We could get something even worse

[@PeruvianPotato]

Please. As a contributor to Wikimedia Commons, the URAA is just flat out evil

[@PeruvianPotato]

Hard agree. As a contributor to Wikimedia Commons, the URAA of 1996 is just flat out eviI

[@Sonario648]

Or abolished entirely.

[@Jabberwockia]

Back during my degree I think I cited the internet archive like… 3-4 times per paper. Just because it’s SUCH a good resource to get anything made remotely recently in its original form. If it goes down we lose one of the greatest academic resources on the planet.

[@thingsiplay]

Internet Archive is a Library But the Internet Archive is classified as library in the US. Therefore it has some special rights to distribute media that would be otherwise not allowed to. Libraries have different rights as we "consumer" or any "company". I think that is forgotten sometimes in discussions like these.

[@justlikethesimulations9213]

Do I think the IA will be sued out of existence? No, if this happened it would make international headlines and likely lead to legislation being passed in countries (maybe not in US but possibly EU) to allow it to continue to exist in some form.

[@JamesTDG]

@@justlikethesimulations9213 Don't forget people rioting.

[@Wampa842]

@@JamesTDG You mean armchair revolutionaries posting mean comments and edgy memes?

[@yugimumoto1]

​@@Wampa842 I think that if this made headlines and people realized what we are losing we could easily get normies rioting.

[@theforsakeen177]

@@yugimumoto1 no one who know how to use the internet is going to riot, there are much better alternative for everything the IA offers apart from the wayback machine

[@q370p]

the copyright law needs to be reevaluated to account for the public good in cases of preservation.

[@sirtieman]

big corporations dont care about the general public, they just wanna make money

[@hopelessdecoy]

Blame Disney for lobbying to screw up copyright.... It used to be actually a decent system.

[@BriarPatchNyra]

Fair use specifically has a clause for preservation, it’s bs this is happening

[@Ornithopter470]

​@@BriarPatchNyra the problem is that the IA wasn't actually archiving or preserving these works. They were willfully distributing copyrighted works without the licenses. Morally, I think it's fine. I think that ethically, it's a gray area. Legally, IA is straight up guilty. This is a problem where we, as laypeople, think that preservation/archiving means making things available. It does not. There are many books in the Library of Congress that are NOT available to the public specifically because they are being preserved. Replicas are available, but must be asked for.

[@NullParadigm]

@@hopelessdecoy no it wasn't. Copy right is and has always been a monopoly grant given and enforced by government.

[@Zortec]

AI can steal history and information But Internet Archive can not store history and information! - DOUBLE STANDARDS!

[@SimplyDuker]

Because AI is useful to "them" while storing information and knowledge for the commonfolks isn't.

[@Tim85-y2q]

AI can only hoover up what's publicly available. This case was dealing with things that were not. It's not a double standard because it's not apples to apples.

[@itsathi6055]

@@Tim85-y2q why are you so confident that ai is only using public information?

[@Tim85-y2q]

@@itsathi6055 I'm not, but if it can be proven they didn't they'd be subject to the same liability as anyone else.

[@drunkenskunkproductionsdsp8094]

Copyright law needs to be updated, fast. It's pathetic how little it has changed since its execution.

[@rossorange2592]

EmpLemon talked about this years ago now and no one listened

[@GregorianMG]

Copyright was meant for the time of its creation. But things have changed a lot that it urgently needs to be updated.

[@arnox4554]

You can thank our wonderful legislators for that...

[@RuinedComedian]

It’s actually not pathetic how little it’s changed. It’s pathetic how much it has changed in favor of corporations. It’s been updated a few times, the most recent giving the copyright holder ownership for over 120 years. the original law was less than 30 years.

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@RuinedComedian you can thank disney for that!

[@fredrickbambino]

Meanwhile AI…

[@Consequence]

100%

[@scourgehh714]

Because it's transformative. This was straight up theft. Even the judges laughed at their claims their style of stealing was more efficient so that means it's okay lol

[@VonDoof]

⁠​also the fact that the ai that is mooching data are usually the large companies that couldn’t be punished regardless.

[@JimTerry-rw9pv]

​@VonDoof this guy gets it.

[@fredrickbambino]

@@scourgehh714 if you’re making money off someone’s work with no credit or permission especially if it’s copyrighted, it’s wrong, whether you think it’s transformative which, in a bunch of cases, ai just copies

[@ghostly5866]

Rather than try to back up the entire archive, people should be downloading as much media from the publishers suing the archive as possible. Do as much damage to the publishers as possible.

[@vespovich]

I can't believe this is happening but somehow it's okay for LLMs to be fed copyrighted data

[@mlgcactus1035]

That's lobbying for ya

[@Kleyguerth]

Money talks. LLMs owners have lots of.

[@AD-lh3jk]

This is such a poignant point ngl Open source and free information is being privatized at a concerning level

[@JamesTDG]

Indeed, they should be forced into a choice here, either small creators get their rights respected over their own works, or the companies can STFU about their copyrights being violated. Piracy LITERALLY does not cost companies money, just reduced a limited number of initial sales, but like, if we aren't even gonna get a demo for the games coming out, we still need a way to try before we consider wasting our money on yet another buggy mess.

[@lord_toker]

What's that?

[@AdiKq]

If buying the game is not owning it. Piracy isn't stealing.

[@RedDrowned]

Amen

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

You own the right to download it and store it on a hard drive and play it whenever you want. There's some weird expectation that buying games means buying permanent access to downloading that content from a server for some reason lol

[@mrwho4755]

Game companies and the things they do are horrible but this phrase is so stupid and exposes every person that doesn't know shit about how the law works.

[@relo999]

You're not buying a game, you're buying a licence to access said game. The anti-online/digital only people have been telling you chumps this for decades at this point. Would you listen? No.

[@Drowsy-All-Day]

@@user-lh7mt7zo7l Not really. You can download it but there are restrictions added to the game like a license check or a DRM client check that you can't bypass, remove or tamper with or you are committing a crime under the DMCA (17 U.S. Code § 1201). You don't own the product you buy, the rights holder does until the copyright period ends and even then, license restrictions remain in the original released product until the former rights holder or a person or group releases a copy without those restrictions.

[@total_epicness6776]

recording companies and book publishers would sue a children's cancer center to bankruptcy if they found out they were distributing books to terminal cancer patients

[@Tim85-y2q]

If they were pirating the books they were distributing, sure they would and they'd be legally right to do so.

[@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack]

🤦 That would be considered a library and libraries aren't breaking copyright laws.

[@Orangemushroom554]

We can't let Companies get away with this. People who pirate stuff through Internet Archive is prob less than 1% and they are mad just because they're losing a tiny amount of money.

[@chungusamongus519]

Cus it takes less effort to scrape the last bit of molasses off the bottom than make a new batch

[@demen9497]

WE do it because their is no way to get them anymore

[@RhumpleOriginal]

More like they are loesing a lot and the top people yelled at the people to do something about it. This is what they came up with.

[@Healer0079a]

@@RhumpleOriginal Hey. I doubt it. If you're in the millions or billions you're set regardless unless you're just bad with managing it. Which apparently, a lot are. Pffft.

[@RhumpleOriginal]

@@Healer0079a ok but that doesn't replace the reasoning to go after thr archive. Taking that away means there was no logical reasoning. I mean it could just be their legal team being a legal team.

[@Zairin.]

it's insane we may potentially be living through a SECOND burning the library of alexandria but in modern time.

[@OmegaMetroid93]

If a piece of media is not available for purchase, it should be freely available for download.

[@hugoeliseu9750]

Tbh if you dont distribute your games/books/movies anymore they should be legaly free to distribute by 3rd parties as long as it is free

[@Zopeee]

Jup like i feel like it should be a right after like 1-5 years atmost, that they also cant get back+ you are limited to being able to sell stuff like that for atmost 10-20years too, the ip can remain, but past that espically if its data it shouldnt be allowed to be held by such corps.

[@JamesTDG]

@@Zopeee Honestly, IP hoarding is such a harmful thing that remains to be allowed. We need to end it, as even though the creators of characters like Iron Man and Batman have been dead for a while, I am gonna be in my 30s, and it will ONLY be for the OG incarnations of them. By the '40s, we will actually be able to FINALLY freely access the copyright over more notable design elements. HOWEVER, we also need to revise trademark law too, since we won't be allowed to just freely use Iron Man for whatever in our media

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

Copyright law just last top long in my opinion, it's author's death+70 years.

[@Delimon007]

The problem is that this lending has caused obvious monetary losses which I believe they already settled out of court for. So technically they should be able to stay up so long as they stop lending and giving away crap they don't have the license to.

[@LadybugsOpin]

There's a game that used to be sold in a lot of places, including Canada (where I live). This game was discontinued a looooooong time ago. Like, this game used to be sold on CD's. BUT if you're American, then you can still purchase a digital copy through Amazon to this day. Despite it being digital, it's locked to only be purchasable if you're living in America. So does that mean that I, as a Canadian, should be allowed to pirate this game?... I mean, I've already done that because I had a CD of it when I was a kid, so I technically already bought that game. I just don't have a CD player on my current PC, so yeah. ... The game is Zoo Tycoon 2.

[@MINETURNNOWGamingRblxOnYT]

Anyone reading this, back up something on the Internet Archive. Especially anything copyrighted, rare and niche. Even if you can only save one thing, that could be one thing that would have been lost.

[@zynet_eseled]

UNDERSTOOD. HUNTING FOR GAMING MAGAZINES.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Everyone gonna download the same 20 things

[@Scooter227]

I’d download the entire thing and compress it into a .zip and store it in a 50TB drive even if it’s not enough

[@swagmuffin9000]

@@Scooter227 how much do you really think is on that site? i had that same idea and was wondering how big a drive one would need to clone the site and all it's contents. and how long do you think it would take to download? my guess, AT LEAST a week assuming you have the greatest internet speed and your isp doesn't shut you down

[@psypokeslowduck2880]

Best to download those files now & not procrastinate before the library of Alexandria burns again in due time.

[@PixelaGames2000]

And this is why copyright law needs to be updated heavily! Stuff like this, should not be affected by copyright law. We need this stuff to preserve our media, history, culture, you name it! This is unacceptable!!

[@n0xx295]

Someone needs to create a full backup of the Internet Archive. Data hoarders of the world: Now it's your time to shine.

[@lextacy2008]

I would bet they are backing it all up and sending the data over to another shell company. And they will "leak" their presence, but it will be servers in RU

[@musicalneptunian]

Where's Kim Dotcom? We need to ask him.

[@GamingUnleashed-i6x]

man I am already throwing on 24 HDD's a week for my own personal data hoarding , when I last scraped the site it was over 100 petabytes , I know pre covid they had 120PB of storage capacity and about 4 years ago when our group was thinking of archiving it was worked out 500PB was needed , I believe their system was ~750 servers, up to 12-years old running ~1,300 VMs with 30K storage devices and over 20K spinning rust , it is just too costly to even make a offline taped archive , *edit* and just had a quick scan its over 200PB now

[@Mendaz]

​@@musicalneptunianHe's going to be extradited to the US, so screwed.

[@lextacy2008]

@@GamingUnleashed-i6x What if everyone did something like say 6TB worth of scraping using a clever reverse torrent like seed system. The data you collect gets value and becomes a form of data mining. Then when these users release the data to someone who has the capital to build a massive data center offshore, we then upload it in mass. The kicker is that our data is equivalent to crypto. So anyone who invests in the idea builds up the capital.

[@platonicsole0854]

Personally, if these 'publishers' actually manage to take down IA, I will go out of my way, actively inconvenience myself just so I never purchase a single product they put out. I will pirate a book and pay the price of that book directly to the author.

[@anndroid33]

That is a great alternative…pay authors and musicians direct! Make these companies obsolete! They ARE obsolete!

[@Tehblood]

exactly this. unfortunately the vast majority are far too lazy and self interested to make that stand but hey.

[@vintagememelord8168]

Rather than the towards the publisher

[@elysios7521]

These "publishers" also represent small authors that got fucked by Internet Archive but Mutahar very deceptively or ignorantly paints it like it's a fight against just big companies.

[@danyaljamil1677]

@@elysios7521 The only people who pirate books,games whatever were never going to buy them cus they are too expensive for them,but they will spread good word by word of mouth.Culture shouldn't be exclusive for those that can afford it.

[@Ryan_Wiseman]

As someone apart of small music, not only do these big labels just want ONLY their music accessible, they do their best to stack the deck against the small artist. It's why Spotify is demanding 1000 streams a year for each song (bots can easily hit these numbers, and it is very likely there are some level of bots used for huge artists to maintain that said growth, mixed in with), why they pay out more to labels at an undisclosed rate, why most big editorial playlists (with submissions open) almost only have selections of label backed music. They've also made the copyright surrounding this music in a weird state. They'll spend money buying up old catalogues of artists and want this huge relevancy, and then they can just remove these albums from these streaming services and also demand them to not exist anywhere. They can also release albums of artists where they weren't even made by the artist themselves in hopes of trying to cash in more, and there is zero precedent on this being not allowed. We need a major update of copyright laws that prevent stuff like this from happening, on all artistic ends

[@devnom9143]

There is actually a niche internet archiving project called Archive Box which was made in part because one of the creators was concerned about the centralized nature of the Internet Archive & how it could be destroyed like the Library of Alexandria, where was a bunch of folks with their own machines is more survivable, though obviously the searchability & accessibility of things is greatly reduced due to it's decentralized nature. It's scaoe is no where near that of tye Internet Archive, but it is apt to out live the IA

[@Box1-lf9hv]

Honestly, there should be always another Internet Archive.

[@erkinalp]

@@Box1-lf9hv IA has two full copies and a few partial copies in various countries

[@spinish159]

Basically pirate bay with good intentions

[@earleebyrd]

Publishers to boycott: HACHETTE BOOK GROUP, INC., HARPERCOLLINS PUBLISHERS L.L.C., JOHN WILEY & SONS, INC., PENGUIN RANDOM HOUSE LLC,

[@roux6715]

Hit list

[@ZeepAtomic]

Let's do this! Operation: Save The Archive is a go!

[@Iostinthesupermarket]

libgen for the win

[@Seacat17]

Why not DDOS them?

[@Brikiboi69]

⁠@@Seacat17Good idea, we should tell 4Chan about it.

[@sm5574]

General rule: If what you are doing is kind and helpful, there is probably a way to use the law against you.

[@brenscott5416]

Realistically the law needs to be altered to allow for otherwise unavailable content (specific versions or realeases included) to be exempt from a dmca take take down or lawsuit. Its insane that we have no protection for lost media like we really should

[@psyentific]

kind of like how action is required to retain a trademark?

[@Neonlight3934]

If I remember the EU is testing the interest for a law that forces publishers to leave games in a purchasable and operational state (this doesn't mean having serves, but it would mean forcing them to allow custom servers) for the sake of culture preservation.

[@AlisSpark]

​@@Neonlight3934That is thr stopkillinggames petition and that petition so far still lacks votes to even be considered by the EU...the EU has not done anything

[@Neonlight3934]

@@AlisSpark The petition has been up for what, 4 months? The time until the voting ends is 8 months. And IDK if you understand the meaning of "testing interest" if you think I said they have done anything beyond asking if people are interested.

[@Tim85-y2q]

There's a difference between "lost" media and "not currently commercially/publicly available" media. The two often get conflated but are not remotely the same.

[@lychos-official]

This is why piracy is defended by so many with an iron fist.

[@MiserableMuon]

Intellectual property is theft; Piracy is liberty.

[@Tim85-y2q]

Yeah because a lot of people want everything to be free to everyone on the internet all the time. I want a swimming pool filled with fine whiskey but that's not realistic either.

[@lukes9192]

Ethically, the IAs most important priority is preserving the IA. I don't care what they think they were doing with the emergency library, it was ridiculously, harmfully stupid for a place like that to try it

[@It_mari70]

I think people are finally realized that copyright law. Is messed up

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

Who needs it to last for 70 years after their death

[@EnejJohhem]

​@@RandomPerson-cf3gt I'm gonna make sure that when I die, all my work is going to the public domain

[@XenoCrimson-uv8uz]

Nah, people still don't.

[@It_mari70]

@AliAiham I see you're someone who blindly believes in the law

[@DocTime56]

@@RandomPerson-cf3gt Disney, the worst part about this BS is that technology would be stuck DECADES behind had patent law been extended to this ridiculous level

[@st.altair4936]

Hosting stuff like this in the US was doomed from the start. Most good piracy sites are hosted in Russia since they don't care much about western IP laws.

[@nathanaelashnonmusic2615]

Yo, we got any Russian Muta fans with large unused servers?

[@Foogi9000]

Except for when said content goes against the Russian government.

[@ErebusXanti]

I think it would be reversed

[@LK2.O]

I'd suggest Panama 🇵🇦

[@KesarisRandomBS]

No you're actually right. Cs Rin is amazing when it comes to games

[@ChristFollower365]

Honestly, media should be freeware after a set period. look at all the books movies and games you can't buy anymore.

[@91n3tr33]

Tell that to the ©️for CLASSICAL MUSIC. You cant even print & play some pieces for a HS band or domain 70 yrs after the death of its composer. Once in the public domain, it can be freely used, performed, and recorded without needing to obtain permission or pay royalties. EX: composer died in 1924, their works would enter the public domain in most countries in 1995. Diff rules for countries vary. You may or may not be able to even post a video of you playing it, nor can you have your band play it. For works published between 1924 and 1978, copyright protection lasts for 95 years from the date of publication usually. For unpublished works, the copyright lasts for the life of the author 70ish.

[@ChristFollower365]

@@91n3tr33 that's insane.

[@thebigbadwolf639]

I lost my entire Internet Archive page because i uploaded too many copyrighted things, one of which was a rip of The Simpsons movie that was from a bootleg chinese DVD soon after Disney bought them. I was only able to re-upload 50% of my content because it was also storage for me as well as a great way to convert file formats. This is a case where the big publishers should contract with the Internet Archive and they can scratch each other's backs and be innovative for the long haul of history. WE NEED A DIGITAL LIBRARY!!

[@mikochild2]

Right. It could be a win-win

[@fredstone4395]

I got a lot of games from the internet archive you just can't find anywhere else. Really hope this isn't the end

[@kelly4187]

It should be international law that if you cannot legitimately buy a piece of content, it should be completely legal to host, buy, own, run and sell it via any site.

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@kelly4187 i would diagree with sell except for physical copies,but its should be completely legal to download them if it literally cannot be bought,besides second hand physical copies,but stuff that cannot be bought should be free for anyone to play or distribute

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@fredstone4395 It's not the end.

[@Healer0079a]

No. It's only the beginning. The internet is a hydra. And while yes a lot of lost media occurs. A lot of the time it always finds a way to come back in some form or fashion.

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@Healer0079a Except it isn't the beginning.

[@quinnalynndon-lanighan8284]

project backup the internet archive begins

[@joshuaroefs9279]

Letting corpos hold on to copyrights and licenses to prevent information of any kind from being diseminated even years after there was no legitimate form of reasonable distribution going on by the holder is an existential threat to all of humanity in any kind of developed society. Information is meant to be shared. Knowledge is meant for everyone to have. Holding it hostsnge because you want to line your own pocket is tantamount to the nuclear annihilation of all libraries on Earth.

[@Megamon0001]

The problem is we cant even force companies to play by our rules since there will always be a person paying the company

[@idontwannatypeaname]

​@@Megamon0001we need normal people back into corporate positions

[@JamesTDG]

@@idontwannatypeaname We gotta get the nepo babies out of higher positions then

[@bromisovalum8417]

@@JamesTDG Good luck with that. Nothing short of an ancien regime style absolute monarchy with a benevolent monarch would be able to do something like that. The truth is modern democracies, is the rule of organised criminals and nepo babies.

[@addyhadmelike655]

@@idontwannatypeaname it's not "bad apples", the whole system corrupts and is corrupted. 'normal people' like you claim would never get these positions to begin with and even if they did, theyd be canned in a matter of hours or days. It's not a bug, it's a feature

[@SenkaBandit]

If the internet archive loses this case it’s like the government is trying to speedrun it’s downfall to the hands of a revolution

[@justran19kilometers]

nah more like a comet hitting earth

[@freedomdude5420]

That liberty tree

[@TheDoomMaster]

@@freedomdude5420 It's gettin' mighty thirsty

[@PeruvianPotato]

You really think Americans will do anything besides watch sports/anime and play video games? Please.

[@freedomdude5420]

@@PeruvianPotato your only three meals from a revolution.

[@Zeverinsen]

It's in instances like this that your president should actually provide an organisation immunity. Also, copyright and IP laws need to change. If the rights holder does not actively use, distribute and/or preserve the product by making it available, they should no longer be able to prevent others from distributing said product.

[@dtstar331]

It's pretty funny to me that we, as a society and as a species, have decided to legally limit our own access to knowledge we create in order to have a few publishers make money from distributing that knowledge Dunno if I'm delusional but I think copyright laws are in need of big changes

[@musicalneptunian]

I have been to off the record lectures on copyright by lawyers who specialise in it. They agree that the laws are 30 years out of date and a joke.

[@Ollybollyk]

@@musicalneptunian The worst part is when you have copyright trolls that are so clearly abusing the system to just screw everyone over, and instead of lawmakers taking issue with it they defend it because it could have bigger repercussions.

[@d1kgaws12]

When too much focus is on the individual, we let our guards down and go back when a few individuals’ interests are put above the interests of every single other individual, aka the community, aka the public.

[@Kitkat-986]

The best compromise solution is to reduce the length of time that copyright holders hold the exclusive rights to their property. Currently it's 100 years, 30 to 50 years would make a lot more sense. Intellectual property is actually important, authors need to be able to profit in order to incentivise more material to be made, but it never should have been a 100 year long stranglehold.

[@YehudiNimol]

To be honest, I can see the book publishers' side, but destroying an entire archive due to copyright infringement of otherwise abandoned intellectual property is ridiculous. At the very least, they should be hosted on private servers

[@Krilium]

When something isn't sold anymore, it should automatically go into public domain.

[@MalalRebooted]

Penguin Random House also engages in stealing from the public domain and fake copyright strikes - but nobody calls that out either.

[@RandomPerson-cf3gt]

Also didn't they refuse to negotiate with the wga, so they don't even treat their writers right

[@DBZWii09]

Internet Archive is VITAL to preserving EVERYTHING in history; fuck EVERY book company ever for trying to shut down the archive with that lawsuit

[@dimitrifake53]

They made a mistake, they shouldn't have done that in the first place.

[@CoolyCools]

​@@dimitrifake53 doesnt mean we have to lose more than 1 million things though

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

@@dimitrifake53 That dose not mean we should lose tons of history.

[@DeidaraIsTheBest10]

@@dimitrifake53 But that's not a reason to lose years upon years of history

[@dimitrifake53]

@CoolyCools They should have known better. They distributed material illegally and got in trouble. It would be a shame if they do closed down, but still shouldn't have done that.

[@SnoopygrayHere]

I wish they could win the lawsuit because if the internet archive (and the wayback machine) is taken down, then I’m just gonna quit the internet as a whole, stop using any electronics except TVs, Toys & flipphones and telephones

[@Yeshua_is-Cool]

Same I only use it to game and KZbin if needs be ill get rid of the internet

[@conniechoco]

time to download as much as i can before the site gets taken down

[@TheIroncladResearcher]

Real.

[@kreeperfrm559]

Facts ima need to buy a few extra terabytes

[@wikwayer]

How much time do we have 🥺

[@kreeperfrm559]

@wikwayer from right now till the courts are over with it, better be safe than sorry

[@JamesTDG]

I would but I don't have enough storage space to make a dent, nor can I afford to

[@heisvi9317]

I used it so many times to get old out of print books that cost a fortune to get physically. I pray to God they win

[@dragonluvver975]

Friendly reminder that some of really important recent history is only available because people were filming illegally. We should prioritize preserving information, not making big companies happy

[@themuffinlord6442]

We gonna need internet archive archive to use internet archive

[@TeH.j0keR]

More like a dark web mirror, evidently.

[@mr44mag]

Yo dawg I heard you like archives, so I had a seizure trying to preserve human culture. As you can see, we put an archive in an archive, you can access the archive through the archive.

[@prosto_a_user]

Internet Archive in an Internet archive Internet Archive²

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

0:18 Yeah, and it sounds just like the end for a lot of things, pretty scary, pretty suckish or unfun, and pretty grim is where it's looking like now.

[@pseudonymity0000]

Hot take. If something is no longer for sail, The argument of loss is moot. There should be an exemption for media that is not currently in distribution. Basically, copy-right holders must keep and maintain distribution. If they stop distributing, then Libraries and archives are free to share copy's on a 1 owned 1 share basis. This does not mean there copyright has lapsed, It just means that availability must be maintained, and companies must preserve their media. If they don't want to, then preservation may be taken over by a third party after sending notice of Intent of Archival distribution. If the company doesn't like this, then they must put the media back into distribution and send archives a notification of revived commercial activity. Distribution, however, must be meaningful. E.g. It must be accessible through an easy to find channel, not some dusty back end of there website with downloads in the kilobytes per second to technically be still in distribution. Basically, this puts an end to right squatting. It is either commercially viable to continue distribution or it is not. If it is not, then they have no argument that distribution of the media for archival/preservation reasons is causing a financial loss to the company. Right holders can even work with archival services to distribute their old content commercially, and receive a trickle of passive income through shares of subscriptions, rental or purchase income when an old piece of media is accessed, viewed and downloaded. You can even have a bargain basement distribution system, where once purchased, you must download your copy within one month and you are responsible for keeping your copy intact. If you lose your copy, you must repurchase a download slot. The point is, there is always a way to access a copy.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

I've been working in a deep dive book about local history for four years and there is no way I could have dug this deeply into the subject and found this much stuff without the Internet Archive. It would have been impossible. Corporate interests cutting us off from our own heritage is the real crime.

[@freedomdude5420]

Why? It is not money!

[@zerrubabbel]

2024: The year that world-wide, sector agnostic, industry agnostic, enshitification reached critical mass

[@thepwrtank18]

the IA just shut down entirely from a DDoS attack and a data breach

[@nkjellman]

Guess we'll need a backup of the Internet Archive in Russia, where they could give a crap about Copyright.

[@lasskinn474]

they'll just remove 25% of the content not telling you which 25% it was. the chinese version removes 66%, but pretends the dead links don't exist.

[@_DSch]

​@@lasskinn474 we basically take the internet archive - and split it up into multiple parts! Just change the domain ending lol

[@SimplyDuker]

@@_DSch Changing the domain alone won't cut it. The hornet's nest has been stirred, there's no going back.

[@Mightydoggo]

This is why we need no-life pirates with free access to fibre internet and harddrives. Seriously, F those corporations.

[@Tim85-y2q]

You're not going to get the money to run such an operation by thinking everything should be free to everyone on the internet.

[@Mightydoggo]

@@Tim85-y2q Not to everyone. Let the people pay who just got born rich and did fuck nothing for it.

[@Tim85-y2q]

@@Mightydoggo Good luck with that.

[@Mightydoggo]

@@Tim85-y2q It would easily work. We are subsidizing them for decades now for no reason. They either adapt or F off.

[@Tim85-y2q]

@@Mightydoggo And when they do "F off" I'm guessing you'd be among the first and loudest to complain about the consequences of that.

[@dimimegesis]

copyright is itself a ticking time bomb, because it's not realistic right now. the ownership is too authoritarian.

[@Jonny5Fails]

If the copyright holders aren't distributing the product any longer, it shouldn't be considered piracy. There's no financial harm to a company if there are no sales to lose. Maybe if that were codified, it would light a fire under their asses to make sure they don't discontinue products they want to continue making money on. As it is now, they're basically incentivized to discontinue products as soon as profit margins stop dropping because they can continue to profit through lawsuits

[@keatonthekoopatroopa246]

Publishing companies are criminals.

[@tobyzilla]

That need to be stopped

[@keatonthekoopatroopa246]

@AliAiham Nope dude I'm human. Hachette Penguin Random House and the other publishers are criminals for acting like having their crap online would make them lose profits.

[@igordasunddas3377]

​@AliAihamI am a human, too, and I also think they're criminals. Perhaps you're the bot...

[@essentialasa]

I think the reason publishers did this is because of school textbooks. Every year they release new versions but they're barely different than the old ones. This means you could get old textbooks for free instead of buying new ones. Winning this case allows those publishers to make more money off school book sales because now you HAVE to buy their digital $200 books.

[@MasterGamer-f4n]

do u have proof? im intrested in this.

[@essentialasa]

@@MasterGamer-f4n no. I do not have proof of their reasoning. This is my speculation as to why they are taking these actions and I think it provides a reasonable motive

[@MasterGamer-f4n]

@@essentialasa It is valid speculation, and thank you for clarifying that. =D

[@captaingoogle6574]

Copyright should be abolished. It has served literally noone except massive megacorps

[@captaingoogle6574]

@Alezander2002 that's completely wrong. Mickey mouse existed long before copyright, Star Wars would've existed regardless. Copyright is not a ever present law. It was created in the 70s specifically to protect the IP of large corporations. There is not a single instance I can think of where copyright, dmca etc has ever been used to the people's benefit.

[@tetrisboi7731]

@@captaingoogle6574 i don't think it should be completely eliminated, it does serve the people such as independent content creators and artists, but i think it should definitely be toned down by 90%, just so corporations can't abuse the shit out of it

[@davelee4464]

@@captaingoogle6574if you doing research as a graduate student you will know that you receive ZERO dollars for whatever paper you published, in fact you will have to pay hundred of dollars for those publishers to publish your research paper. And guess what, when you want to read other research papers, you must pay those publishers again to read them. The copyright should only be limited to credibility.

[@ichimiustin8390]

Copyright started in the middle ages as a way to censor writings by giving distributors a royal monopoly through which all published works had to pass, hence the term royalties. This then led to a system made by distributors, not authors, in order to earn a lot of money and controll the spread of information. Across history, copyright changed for the worse through lobbying from big corporations and publishers, and today has exagerated terms and duration.

[@MasterGamer-f4n]

It should be shortened and weakened, and archiving should count as a bypass like education is.

[@evillecaston]

"morally correct" Publishers: "We don't do that here."

[@acheron16]

This is the problem of basing these projects in the US.

[@DanYami]

dude youtube censorship has gone so extreme, when he said "pdf file" I had to do a double take

[@Cinibonswirl26]

LOL

[@Dethmeister]

If the Internet Archive shuts down then there will be no record of Andy's Big Day, Waffles Wall Falls, Who is Naya, Homie Home, LMAO Mayo, Cat Did What? and many other famous memes before memes.

[@Dethmeister]

BTW, there's no record of those memes because I just made them up.

[@dawsie]

What is really getting under my skin is that I have bought hundreds of books this I have read in the past 50 plus years, I got hooked onto digital books, which I am now regretting simply because when I die, all of my digital books will be removed from my account to be lost for ever even though I have bought them, they are only mine while I am living, where as all of my physical books can be passed to to family and friends for continued reading pleasure for as long as the book is kept safe from damage. I bought one digital movie years ago all because I could not wait to go to the store to buy it, that was 20 years ago, the company does not exist anymore and my access to the movie has also gone $26 it cost to buy the digital copy, but I was not allowed to download it to my desktop computer for the freedom of watching anytime I wanted to, where as 5 movie DVD’s that I bought 20 years ago came with a free digital download of the movie to my desktop PC. I had to spend $37 on top of the existing $26 I paid for the digital version, just to have the DVD to put into my library. That one movie ended up costing me $93, that was the cost of a family of 4 to have a night out at the movies with popcorn and drinks to enjoy while watching the movie. This is corporate greed at its best. It has nothing to do with the Artists involved at all, it’s all about that % that these companies own outright of each Author they have on their books. They must have their slice of the pie first and foremost over the rights of the authors who created the books. More and more artists and authors have been turning to self publishing just so that they get to keep their own property, there is one self published author who,has helped dozens of budding writers to publish their first book. There are some authors who have created their own publications company because the so called top publishers won’t even publish some of today’s authors simply because they are not famous enough for the top publishing houses to even consider. Some of the authors I now read have published their books in PDF which can be passed onto my family as long as it’s kept on my pocket HD as the only copy and is read from the HD only.

[@Chad_Thundercock]

I'm not allowed to suggest violence as an answer. So, since I'm not allowed to suggest violence against corporate entities, I absolutely will not suggest violence against the individual people responsible for this. Definitely, don't do anything destructive or harmful against their property or persons.

[@Box1-lf9hv]

Honestly, corpos aren't your friends.

[@ghost_ship_supreme]

It’s the end of a free internet. I’ve used it for investigation, research, and even maintenance on things like washers or even my CAR.

[@666MaRius9991]

It's fukin sad man! The Corpos will own everything,even your thoughts

[@SimplyDuker]

@@666MaRius9991 Soon, they will even own your souls.

[@godividarr]

From the IA's inception to present, much has changed. I would love to see a decentralized equivalent emerge.

[@randomasian5049]

archive the archive and then archive that archive They can’t sue us all.

[@C.B.I.R.F]

Untill they overhaul the fucking internet they where all fuck.

[@cosmicsvids]

@@C.B.I.R.F thats not how it works if you stop using their bowser and services use fire fox and use another search engine no one can do shit.

[@erkinalp]

internet archive has a few copies outside america: one in egypt, one in the netherlands, and a few partial copies spread across the world

[@midnightblue3285]

@@erkinalp Really? the same copy of the original servers ?

[@erkinalp]

@@midnightblue3285 yes, though sometimes they significantly lag behind

[@Djoki1]

The moment The Internet Archive shuts down (god forbid it does) is the moment where the timeline actually starts heading straight into the Cyberpunk 2077 universe. Humanity might as well be doomed in the next 200 years. Fuck this shit.

[@cosmicsvids]

Being against piracy is dumb these company's do not care about you only making as much money with as little effort as possible. Nintendo gives you a subscription that drip feeds old games on purpose so you will keep your subscription for longer and no option to buy the game.

[@Box1-lf9hv]

@@Djoki1 It won't shut down.

[@AyyHotDogS]

bold of you to assume we're heading into a Cyberpunk 2077 universe we're all going to live a watered-down, rated-E, hypercorporate, and ultradystopic version of that

[@endymion30]

We need a law protecting abandoned media for free distribution

[@JounLord1]

Apparently some of the books of Chuck Wendig, the former SW and Marvel author who was fired for being a potty mouth and always blamed his critics on being anti-gay as opposed to him just being a bad writer, being available on IA is what got this whole ball rolling. Of all the people who would cause the downfall of a VERY important archive I wouldn't have thought it would be the author even Disney said was too much for them.