Sometimes It's Just Business

[@PenneyBack]

Tim promised to get me a job at Obsidian. I've never worked on anything in the entertainment industry, but I figured game development is basically just telling a bunch of nerds my cool ideas and they do computer magic to make it happen.

[@arcan762]

"Guys guys guys! I've just had an amazing idea for a game... Get this, a high-fantasy medieval zombie survival MMORPG... IN SPACE!"

[@hibernate44]

@@arcan762wait you’re cooking. Go on

[@eniggma9353]

The two above make idiotic arguments, no, it's not that hard to explain how to make a game. Sorry to offend you. The enemies should reflect the behaviour of a human being, which should include propability for something to happen out of nowhere but also if if if or what if blah blah, baisc programming logic is enough to make a point. The graphics stuff is more complex counterintiutively. Oh well. I could be wrong.

[@drnage4495]

​@@eniggma9353wtf are you talking about

[@arcan762]

@@drnage4495 its an AI bot

[@spudd86]

That "no one can see his code" thing is utterly insane. Why would anyone accept that?

[@BuzzKirill3D]

Yeah, I wonder how he had pulled that off.

[@sporefergieboy10]

His ide is objdump

[@LaurieCheers]

Yeah there has to be some extra context there. My guess is this was the developer of a commercial library, and the company contracted him to make a custom version of it.

[@neetfreek9921]

Maybe paying someone on the side to do it for him (possibly from a third world country)? Would line up with him making slow corrections to the code and not wanting to take the test. But i've never worked in the industry lol.

[@LTPottenger]

Probably just hiding his code was a mess. Maybe hiding some code that was not really his in some cases.

[@Doomroar]

*Teleports behind you* Tim: "Nothing personnel kid"

[@0ia]

"Hector, this isn't personal!" "It is! It is personal-!"

[@sswenr567]

AND YOU TREAT US LIKE DOWGS !!!

[@yaginku]

I didn't have much people asking me outright to get them a job, but companies love to use the leverage of "dream gamedev job" to justify lower salaries and unprofessional conditions. I really wish gamedev wasn't seen as a dream job - being a millionaire Director, having your dream game made, that's a dream job. Coding, designing or doing art, that'd just a job.

[@truevelvett]

It's more of a supply vs demand thing. As a software engineer I'd love to code games but it's just too much of a pay reduction. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way, so the supply keeps salaries low

[@lrinfi]

Doesn't that depend on how you're looking at it? If you feel like you were born to code or design or create artwork and you're actually doing that, why would you think of it as just a job as opposed to doing what you love doing? Or is the answer to that question patently obvious?

[@PrettyGuardian]

​@@lrinfi It does depend on how you look at it, but also a lot of people go into the industry thinking it will be one way when it's really not. This is true in many fields, but some fields are easier to exploit the passion for and the false marketing doesn't benefit the worker.

[@ElGeecho]

I appreciate Tim's ability to approach topics with nuance.

[@ItsTheRealJefe]

I got told by a very successful businessman ages ago that "There are 3 types of people you don't want to do business with: Friends, Family, and Fools". Same goes for getting people jobs. AND you'll be surprised how easily you can categorize everyone as Fools.

[@Khetsisal33]

Anyone else know nothing about game creation but just love hearing about Tim's experiences? It's so captivating, Tim's seen it all.

[@AbtinX]

Hey Tim! Great you brought up the subject, I'm a dental hygienist and on occasion I have built games on my spare time during bathroom brakes. I've recently been looking to head a game project, could you mention this to the people at Obsidian? Cheers buddy, I knew you'd pull through

[@simple11q]

You should aim higher - Like Blizzard, EA or Bethesda, If you can handle the stench from bad breath, you can handle the stink of bad leadership!

[@AbtinX]

@@simple11q that sounds to me like I'd be aiming lower. EA?

[@veraxiana9993]

As someone who was just let go less than 24 hours ago & lost a dream job in the industry i feel so seen by this video title lol

[@kotzpenner]

Hope you’re alright bro

[@veraxiana9993]

@@kotzpenner thx fam

[@strongstyleorganics4868]

These professional anecdote videos are very enlightening. I don't work in the games industry but some much of this is relevant to my field as well. Thanks for letting us benefit from your experience, cheers!

[@FluffySylveonBoi]

I just love the thumbnails of the videos so much. Knowing they are hand picked, they make me smile every day :)

[@stuartmorley6894]

Most industries that are selective are full of people who got jobs because of who they know. Half of the government in the UK went to one of three schools. Its a massive problem in my country. Law, medicine, they are all full of people who got their jobs because of family or school connections. I worked at a respected UK university and at the time 75% of our students came from private schools. Only 7% of children attend those schools.

[@vduits]

When i'm stuck with a (programming) problem I tend to do something else. Walk out the room, take a walk, discuss it with someone completely out of the industry or do something out of the ordinary. What are your favorite methods? More frequently watching one of your vids is a great way to get the brain off a stuck topic, thanks. 😅

[@TheMahayanist]

KZbin, ChatGPT, or I implement it little by little. Some games I coded just remained broken. I don't really aim for completion, it's just work.

[@sindle36]

I'm glad I found this channel. I grew up on fallout 1 and have followed your career for a long time. I remember being heartbroken when Interplay shut down and being so excited when I learned about Obsidian. I love hearing your thoughts on all these different issues regarding games development and the tech business. You seem like such a nice guy and I'd love to have had the chance to work for you or a boss like you. Happy new year, Tim

[@LionUnchained]

Really awesome to hear this right now. I'm in a bit of a unique situation where I just started doing game development back in March/April when UEFN released and I'm now running a successful small business building games for clients on the platform (1500 hours of development in 9 months w/ proprietary language = high demand) and I'm having people come out the woodworks right now. I am more than happy to guide and encourage those who want to learn but that's not always the case. There are people interested in developing games, or investing in my company, and I'm telling everyone that unless they are going to sit down and invest a significant amount of time then I'm not available for it. It's hard because people will get upset, but this is so important to me that I'm not finding it hard to tell them no. It is personal for me in a way, because this is my life's dream and I am not going to risk that for people who aren't willing to meet me in the middle on it. It's not for them to take personally because they're not committed nor are they invested. I have no hard feelings towards them but the answer will remain: Once you put in the effort. Forever and always.

[@Balyrion]

This is true if you work in any part of IT. "Hey my kid is really good with computers, can you get him a job at your company?" Is something I have heard throughout my career.

[@flyinggecko3322]

Starting to watch, but that title and thumbnail 😂👌

[@asraarradon4115]

This happens when you are in a respected position in any job, trust me.

[@PoliciesOfArt]

I have regretfully phoned distant friends for jobs I wasn’t qualified for and it usually didn’t go well. At the very least, I caused them to be suspicious of me from then on.

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

It's a good sign that you're able to admit it. Hopefully, you're able to smooth things out with them. Just being honest is always the best policy.

[@ChadVulpes]

@@ZiddersRooFurry Being honest isn't always the best policy, but it is the best policy for people that you want to trust you.

[@uncanny_mac4660]

A friend got me my job, and early on I realized that I had to separate my friend and my boss going into it. I knew he may have to be the one to fire me if he had to and it is not personal.

[@fabianmaryanowski2252]

100% accurate and I can relate. Some industries are just not that big, you will have to deal with relatives, friends or former colleagues. Dont get them in hot water! After COVID I had to find a new job in the banking industry and some hiring agencies referred me to companies I knew and friends or former colleagues worked there. In one case I called the former colleague (and now friend) to tell her that probably she will see my CV in her stack, pls dont work on it if possible, give it to someone else. In the end I had the interview with her boss, wasted time, her boss was 100% incompetent but at least she was not in the position to get into hot water. Tim is right, if you are a good friend dont ask for this stuff. A referral is fine if you are not the hiring person, my opinion. If you fail a test, even if you think it is stupid, swallow your pride. On the topic of questions and tests: Tim is right here too. Use the interview to vet the company. I had so many bad interviews where I said "sorry, this is not for me" and I know enough people in my industry to get feedback about this company, I dodged so many bullets. In essence: Listen to Tim, his words apply most of the time to all businesses!

[@derogren]

This is the funniest video name\thumbnail combination yet.

[@0miNya]

The stuff in the video is on point. But I want to share an opposite story - when I found my first job, it was a gamedev job in a city nearby (I had to move). After I couple of years I saw that 1)it was an amazing job, 2)it paid really well, 3)for an entry position you only needed gaming knowledge, nothing special. So I spent the next few years trying to get my friends and relatives to apply to the company. Nobody did, despite them having way-way shittier jobs they hated with 3-5 times lower pay to boot. But no, nobody did. "Oh, moving to another city. Oh but my friends are here. Oh I'd have to rent an apartment. Oh this and that."

[@bsherman8236]

I'm always professional and i've seen lots of companies go bankrupt just because friends got more friends that got more family and no one had any idea wtf they were doing in there

[@CainOnGames]

I agree. Nepotism can be an issue, whether it is during hiring or promotion. And sometimes, the problem can be reverse nepotism, where the best candidate for the job or promotion is bypassed for fear of appearing biased.

[@ВинниПух-х3о]

02:50 that's surreal. I can't fathom how would anyone agree to something like that

[@Benbobr]

Yep, 12 years making games and Ive encountered this scenario multiple times, with less drama though and some matched well

[@artemisamberdrive583]

biggest discrepancy I've experienced is personal preference of how the company handles stuff: friend got a job at my company but left after some months. "you always told me how great the company is! but stuff A and stuff B sucks!" to which I replied: "yes, i love stuff A and stuff B, that's exactly why I like it so much there!"

[@TheLoveYeti]

Tim, you're a GREAT storyteller!

[@cengiztaner4754]

Hey Tim. These stories had me wondering: What do the tests, or design tests specifically, look like? I can imagine what a programming test might look like, but as for design, I cannot go past "create a tabletop game!" or something. It could make an interesting video topic. Cheers! - Jinglemisk

[@Tetsuito]

You can find design tests online. They test you on how quickly can you design something and if you can document it clearly.

[@CainOnGames]

I discuss questions I ask in interviews here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWeme4iDjJJmppI I mention the tests, but maybe I need to do a video dedicated to that.

[@sungiant2000]

@@CainOnGames I think a dedicated video would be interesting and useful.

[@DetectivePoofPoof]

I am also curious about this.

[@nathandanner4030]

(I'm not a Lawyer but...) I think it's illegal in the USA at least to make someone take a IQ test as a condition of employment so companies have to think of creative ways to give people IQ test without giving them an IQ test...I'm sure it's actually something more then that but, I always like to say (I'm a Construction Worker) "They could train monkeys to do this job but the monkeys would ask for more Bananas" 🐒🍌. It's funny between game dev and construction work we both deal with 'code' but, each is Very different...

[@nabsi2321]

The third example is something I've figured out the hard way. I've worked with people who had completely different vision or way to accomplish the task, and the result of that was nothing ever coming out of it, I still don't find it was waste of time, but. They were my friends at the end of the day so I kinda just went with it. Ended up actually hating the work, very unpleasant. But, it did the teach the lesson, that it is likely not the best idea to do work for your friends because that may and likely will end up severing relationships very badly.

[@jdkessey]

Its like when you become roommates with your friends. It might work but you're encountering sides and environments involving that person which you didn't see before.

[@JLM1PB]

So happy i found this channel, it's so insightful! Thank you for sharing your extraordinary experiences with us.

[@riaddeneche2352]

Heya Tim! Huge thank you for the videos you're putting out. They have been helping me a lot lately at my work in games, and made me rethink a lot of things I've previously taken as absolute truths in this industry. Some of these learnings, I have been applying with my team with positive results. Once again, thank you for sharing all of these learnings and knowledge here. Something I've been interested in asking though: What is your opinion and/or experience with having internal studio game jams? I recently organized one at my company to great success, and it's something I am surprised I don't see talked about more. Besides giving us many cool results that we could potentially iterate on for the future, everyone who participated felt they gained a huge amount of learning from getting to work on what they want themselves, and trying out development with a much smaller scope and without all the project overhead like meetings, jira management etc.

[@NympoGaming]

Imagine applying for a job you know you're not qualified for expecting your friend working there to 'do sth about it'.

[@QueensErik]

I discovered this channel from the rockpapershotgun article. Awesome stuff!

[@LukeAvedon]

These stories are fantastic!

[@bankuei]

It's always funny to me how few people fail a test and then come back and say "ok but what should I study/work on so I can be better?" That's usually the thing that tells you who is trying vs. who is just entitled and trying to get over.

[@JBX5677JB]

My favorite content on this channel is story time.

[@acidbaron]

People do not like to hear that they are not as good as they think they are. As a team lead not in software, i find you get the best result and least amount of stress by being consistent and fair, that means not doing many or any friends favours. Because that way you can always defend your choices to other people. If you are good enough in your job, people you know will vouch for you without asking. Better yet they will call you and feel excited that they were able to vouch for you because they want you in their organization again.

[@crimiusXIII]

Business is business. Overriding business standards to get someone brought on board is a recipe for disaster. In IT I've had several friends approach me to get them in where I am...but we weren't hiring. Or we were, and I told them "Look, come down to the office and bring a resume in." Show me that you have the initiative to walk in yourself, ready to sell the company on you. Show me that I'm not wasting my time and reputation bringing you up as a candidate to management.

[@StevenPaugh1997]

Sadly the situation with your friend and the sub-standard interview happens all too often in Software Development in general. I work in SecDevOps and have had quite a few friends apply for roles at the companies I have worked at, and didn't do very well. The question "Can't you just help me through?" is all too common in the industry as a whole. I find that the friend to friend hires rarely result in a great talent pool for companies as a whole.

[@liaminwales]

The only time iv seen 'cant see my code' is when it's not there code.

[@BuzzKirill3D]

Tim, please keep exposing this "real" side of game dev. It's not pretty, but people need to know stuff like this

[@LunarcomplexMain]

"It's just- good business."

[@CalgarGTX]

The worst part is when they teleport in your back

[@talideon]

The idea of somebody being allowed to simply yeet some headers and binaries across blows my mind! The only way something like that should be acceptable is if there's some weird legal or contractual requirements with a customer that require it, and even then...

[@mementomori771]

Happy new year Tim ive been working on a massive scale dnd campaign with some friend's and its been a blast writing it do you have any tips for shared storytelling? Thanks for all your amazing games and now youtube videos!

[@DamianReloaded]

One could see this as a method for gettiing rid of a-holes for good: -Get me the job! -No. - *mad* -bye!

[@thomasbayer1843]

Tim Cain, teeth bared, coming in hot.

[@BrannoDev]

Anyone that uses friendship as leverage to get what they want isn't a real friend. They're just a leech at that point.

[@BuzzKirill3D]

It's tolerable when at least it's a good friend that you interact with on a regular basis... a different thing is when it's like "Hey it's X from 10 years ago, can you help me out with this thing?"

[@gqueirogabr]

It's just business...lord business 😅

[@asdfjkl227]

What are some good and bad questions to learn about companies in interviews? I asked "tell me 3 things wrong with the company and why they're not addressed" in some past interviews. I didn't get the jobs so I'm wondering if I failed the interview or dodged a bullet of people who aren't able to self criticize.

[@aprilmeowmeow]

although I agree that we should get answers to questions like these.... unless you are SUPER desirable for the position you're applying at, most hiring managers wouldn't like a question such as that.

[@EAfirstlast]

Nepotism is the number one way to get a job anywhere really. I mean games dev is kinda low stakes. The real nepo stuff is like major law firms or exec positions in major companies.

[@SyndicateOperative]

Oh, yes, I hate the "we're all family here" gimmick. It's not what I want from a job, and I've always believed its roots are in being emotionally manipulative.

[@Tychoxi]

postapocalyptic, leader-clad tim sorry friend cocks gun it's just business

[@pnutz_2]

alternatively to getting that job, do you want to get into a job and then find out the test was piss-easy in comparison and you're in over your head

[@Araphex]

Unfortunately, to many times have I seen that people get jobs in any industry due to who they know. It should never be about who you know, but what you know. Skills > Popularity. You always have great talking points that I think the gaming industry could really be taking note of. At least, this industry could be spared the turmoil. I'll be graduating in January 2025 and I'm scared that since I don't know anyone in the industry, I'll never get a good job. But I'm a straight A student almost finished with my Game Design bachelor's... I'm hoping my skills outshine who I know because hiring should be just business, having the skills first with knowing someone as a plus, not the other way around.

[@sebastienpautot]

Last year I worked on a student game project with 4 other people, I had a beef with the guy in charge of game design and project management and he was helping on the programming, and he had beef with me since I was in charge of programming and also doing helping on the game design, but our beef was to make the game better and was more like saying what we didn't like about what the other was doing to keep raising the bar where it wasn't good enough. And once we stopped working, we were immediately back to being good friends. This ended up being the best game we ever made because we took nothing personally, had a good time, and put every single piece of feedback back into the game.

[@mattkrea]

Maybe I’m just a dickhead but if someone wants me to vouch for them, that is very personal. My name is on the line if you do poorly or do not even try and our friendship would be damaged. That’s precisely why I rarely do this for anyone unless I know their work very well and would happily work with them myself.

[@borivoje1991able]

What kind of questions should you ask when you're on interview for a job?

[@misterj8815]

Tim, this would be a great video topic since I imagine good questions to ask in a game dev position may be different than other jobs. In the meantime I hope these generic ones help, they've worked for me in the past: "What do you like most about working here?" Listen and then basically tell them that sounds great and what you're looking for. (Assuming it's true, and if they can't answer that's really bad) "What qualities are you looking for in a successful candidate?" Listen closely, and think of your answer while they talk. When they finish talk about how you match what they just described. "What does it take to be a top performer?" Answer similar to "successful candidate" but this is good because it shows your interest in excelling. "What challenges are you and the company facing right now?" Respond by saying how you will help overcome those challenges. If you want the job, at the end of the interview ASK FOR IT. Just look them in the eye and sincerely say "I want this job. This sounds like a great opportunity with a great company, and I will work hard for you." Best advice I've ever gotten. Best of luck to you! Keep at it!

[@nathandanner4030]

Hey, Tim you don't know me and I don't have any experience but, can you help get me in the buiseness? Thank you in advanced!

[@glowingjoystic7597]

Thank you again for an insightful take on working with the wrong people. Question: what digital games have surprised you in terms of gameplay ? (that you didn't fully understand how the mechanic was put together) as a seasoned professional I'm sure you've always been on the cutting edge of technology and awareness so I'm guessing it would be very difficult to truly wow, or surprise you

[@BrentMalice]

can you talk about balancing pve and pvp with the same abilities and gear sets? so many games now are trying to take a hybrid approach, like my current favorite dark and darker, and im wondering your thoughts on it. especially around the point of "do you just make different numbers for both"

[@chicopjota]

Sir a question, what makes crafting mini-games interesting? can it be tied to the story or have some impact into the progress/final?

[@krank23]

I think some people just… don't believe in competence-based hiring, or in meritocracy. I don't mean like "it doesn't work" or (the much more reasonable) "no system is ever completely meritocratic", I mean the way I don't believe in santa clause or God or trickle-down economics. They just don't believe it *exists*. In their worldview, every hire and every career is built on grift and/or "knowing the right person". It seems absolutely exhausting to live in that kind of world.

[@pat3658]

Hi

[@henrycrabs3497]

Hi

[@wesss9353]

Hello there

[@EdgarVerona]

How on earth does someone get away with not allowing people to see their code? That feels like a fireable offense in its own right, what kind of prima donna nonsense is that

[@Atestinal]

I understand that networking is important, but when it's done poorly, the whole thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@IHaveToSay]

Tim do you have any thoughts or stories about game jams?

[@wesss9353]

So the game was rigged from the start?

[@lockekosta9014]

I disagree with programming tests but agree with the rest of your points. Programming interview tests are so bullshit though. Especially if it's, "Do X and submit." If it's an interview where we discuss an example problem related to the job/business and how it's approached, cool. But that's seldom what programming interview tests are in my experience and people can fuck all the way off with their pointless theoretical "I want to pretend to be a professor over someone else because it makes me feel superior" bullshit.

[@chillDude_chills]

it sounds like mr, i dont share my code, had a lot more going on.

[@maskoncr00ked]

👍

[@thisisfyne]

Got screwed by Lucasfilm some time ago. They pulled the plug on a solid chunk of the contract. No explanations, no consequences, not even sorry. Just a despicable corporate mindset. Certified "it's just business" moment.....

[@plaidchuck]

Before or after disney? And with the games or movies?

[@SzymonAdamus]

The problem with saying "It's nothing personal, it's just business" is not the examples you gave. A mature person should realize that he or she is not good at everything, is not suitable for every task and friendship should not stand above competence. The problem with this saying is that many people in business treat it like a mantra. Embodying and at the same time justifying behavior that is at best inhumane and at worst sociopathic. The problem with this particular saying is that it has become more than just a saying. For many people, it embodies a certain philosophy, giving them exemption from feeling remorseful about doing something really, really nasty. Personally, I hear it much more often in such a context. Unfortunately :(

[@shrippie-4214]

Man some people are just messed up in the head to act like these people in these stories I would be so embarrassed to ask a friend or family member for a job, especially someone who is distant. if it was a simple job trade like carpentry I'd research and practice it. programming or I.T would make sure I had experience and or projects to show and study what ever whoever told me to you know now that I think about it I don't think I could get a programing job as is right now lol although you'd probably would have to study some specific stuff for it

[@he_johe]

I made a discord bot recently (a polling bot) and I was just wondering if you could vouch for me to get a position at Obsidian? Thanks Tim! I really appreciate it!

[@arcan762]

It gets way worse when relationships are involved, or colleagues get in bed together, then they have a falling out. Always ends in disaster. Always. Some places have a strict policy around that kind of thing. If you bone a co-worker, or they find out you somehow got a partner a job at the company, you both get fired.

[@kafamalmyor5418]

Hi Everyone Its me Tim

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

Hi Tim! I'll take 2 jobs thank

[@charlesmartel3995]

Wonder why so many video games suck these days? Nepotism and cronyism are rampant in the video game industry.

[@FryingMike]

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[@Jaqinta]

Hello Mr. Tim Cain , Nothing personal it's just business . When you said that does the Godfather movie comes into your mind :) . I really can work any of your project you involved in compeletely free btw :) The personal satisfaction i would give it from your objectives are the most valuable think to me :) ( And also not sure that my software skills could be implementable of your project that's a issue also :D ) Anyway thanks for the topic , it's a quite interesting story you involved in sir . The next topic could be about , what are the general things you expected from software programmers or engineers on your projects you involved in most likely ? or maybe examples on your previous projects could be interesting video to watch and learn about , what are the things does the software developer need in general in order to have sufficient requirements for applying job in gaming industry or maybe specifically into your job applications maybe .

[@gargamellenoir8460]

Tests are also very good to screen out people who don't really remember all the intricacies of a language but are really good to find online what they need when they need it. That's stupid to me. In my experience a resume and and chatting about tech during the interview is a much better way to judge someone's ability. I once failed a written test because I couldn't remember how to do binary shifting, which I could find in seconds if I needed to. About "just business" it seems to me that it's a useless sentence. I don't see how it's the sugar that helps the firing go down. Just tell people what they're doing wrong and why this had to happen.

[@lrinfi]

Ah, yes. The cons. "Sometimes, the most brilliant and intelligent minds do not shine in standardized tests because they do not have standardized minds." ~ Diane Ravitch That being the case, I sincerely hope candidates aren't routinely or primarily turned down solely on the basis of standardized test scores with a "next, please" kind of attitude preceding any other evaluations that might take place. There's a glut of candidates seeking entry into all manner of fields, not just game development, so it's not surprising standardized tests are being employed to ensure candidates at least have the basic knowledge and skills they'll need to get the job(s) done, but...yeah, I can see how that standardized mind thing could easily come back to bite a studio in the backside. A followup video on the pros and cons for both interviewer and interviewee along with other criteria Tim has become familiar with over the years probably would be exceedingly helpful to younger developers who'd like to know what to expect when applying for positions in a development studio. (Now I'm wondering if he had to go through that himself breaking in on the ground floor at the tender age of 16 or if standardized testing became a thing later.) The trial and error approach to learning what to expect is all fine and good...provided the candidate has the time and self-sufficiency to go that route. Some might laugh at the "just Google it" idea when some little how-to snippet goes awol, but I was told by my teachers that it would be wise to keep reference books on hand for the same reason in my flaming youth. Same principle; different technology. It's just way more work to ensure online source material is in-date and trustworthy. Also, I used to work for an elderly gentleman who would often say, in jest, "God is great, but business is business." I thought that was hilarious and odd coming from him because he wasn't the type to check his ethics at the door of the office in the morning. Fact is: it's just a saying, but you're right. I recall this coming up in another thread. Want to be helpful and not just say, "Sorry, nope"?Just tell the person what the deciding factor was and they'll most likely work on it in preparation for their next interview and/or position. If they take it as some personal affront, that's got nothing to do with you. Employers probably think they're letting people down gently when they do that. No, they're not. They're keeping them in the dark as to what it is they might improve upon.

[@gtabro1337]

I feel you, I had bad looks once when I was asked to use a map in c++ and haven’t used it in ages so I blocked under the pressure, but during actual work it takes me less than 30 seconds to look it up, write it in the code and move on.

[@BuzzKirill3D]

He gave an example when the actual errors were pointed out and the person was like "Well, you're in charge, just override it". At that point there's no other argument to be made other than "it's a business decision (not to hire you)"

[@evoltaocao5078]

meanwhile in nepotismville, einstein wouldn't get a job lol

[@josephpurdy8390]

If a recommendation for a change, or an acceptance of a theory that could be applied in an existing program. That is small, and proves to serves a purpose in a greater body of work. This doesn't mean you get the job. However it does mean your reasoning could relate to those in the industry. That may be as far as one ever gets to being in that position.That may be a lot closer than many others will ever make it.

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

What even does this mean? You sound like a bot.

[@christopherr.561]

I don’t want a job Tim, can you just get me an annual salary of $50k? Thanks. Longtime friend from KZbin messenger.

[@camraid9]

Sometimes white lies and delays are good for social situations.

[@domperry4175]

While I don't agree with accepting/recommending people just because you know them I also never really liked the phrase 'its not personal'. If someone tells you that you aren't good enough for a job its hard not to take that personally, even if it's the truth.

[@RuSosan]

Well if it's the truth then what are you expecting? Lies to coddle your emotions at the expense of the other person? Talk about toxic ffs. If you *aren't* good enough then you *aren't,* and it's your, not their responsibility to deal with that. They're already put in a difficult position where they have to deal with someone requesting nepotism out of them. (aka. someone trying to benefit from the friendship which is a dick move!) If anything it is personally offensive towards the person who gets asked to do the recommendation. You can certainly deal with the truth gracefilly after that. Kinda the bare minimum.

[@domperry4175]

@@RuSosan My issue was with the phrase 'its nothing personal' itself, not with anything Tim said in the video per se. Other ones are 'no offence but', or 'don't take this the wrong way'. Just say the thing without trying to deflect or gaslight.

[@he_johe]

@@domperry4175 Bad idea since you'll presumably get into trouble by sounding "rude" , or being "too blunt" or "insensitive". Also it's not gaslighting since it's truly nothing personal, which is true. I'm not sure why you would say that it's gaslighting? Unless you believe that it is?

[@PlzUnbanme]

Was it just business when you acted like a child and ignored your co-worker instead of talking to them since they were physically there??

[@leroygardner8529]

im not watching this because the title seems to be your elitism coming out AGAIN

[@lasjames7516]

ok leroy

[@estogaza5827]

So you judged his content inferior based on a title. Which was essentially just a common phrase people use in business. The video could have been on any aspect of that phrase.

[@leroygardner8529]

@@estogaza5827 damn, there really is people out there without a brain, wow

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

Someone didn't get a job

[@leroygardner8529]

@@_BirdOfGoodOmen what? Damn these people don't know how to read or type. It's amazing you know how to use your hands