Songs that don't use 4 bar phrases

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David Bennett Piano

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Most songs naturally breakdown into sets of either 16, 8 or 4 bars. However music certainly doesn't have to do this and many songs instead feature phrases and sections of irregular numbers of bars.
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@leon723
@leon723 Жыл бұрын
Important note to add about Yesterday: The first word of the second verse is "Suddenly." It's more genius. Paul knows that that verse is starting a bar earlier than the normal convention of pop music would dictate and that it therefore begins suddenly. So the listener experiences a little jolt that parallels the narrator's sudden loss of his relationship.
@bradleydonrichter
@bradleydonrichter Жыл бұрын
Excellent point. A perfect pairing of lyric and music.
@wyattstevens8574
@wyattstevens8574 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it was actually accidental word-painting!
@maetzchenmusik
@maetzchenmusik Жыл бұрын
@@wyattstevens8574 Well, in the B 2s' mid period you may find quite a lot of analogies between lyrics and music, especially in A Day In A Life. Even if the four guys weren't conscious of what they were doing in those cases, it was at least well-felt … and don't underestimate George Martin's influence on them, as he was classically trained in musicology as well as on the oboe.
@maetzchenmusik
@maetzchenmusik Жыл бұрын
The first bar of the verse is missing and so is the I-narrator's yesterday. It's gone, he cannot fix it anymore. And it's not just an affair amongst others. He really detects for the first time that a dimension called yesterday definitely exists, this really begins to dawn on him (Oh, Yesterday came suddenly - a statement that otherwise would not make much sense). Jumping from childhood to adulthood. It's an existential discovery.
@robranney-blake8731
@robranney-blake8731 Жыл бұрын
Came here to say this. I noticed it first when I learned to play and sing the song.
@Stavboy
@Stavboy Жыл бұрын
I was today years old when I realised that Yesterday has a 7 bar phrase. And I've been playing it over and over again in my head, counting in double-time, and half-time, trying to find out where it feels like it's been 'cut'. And I can't. That's crazy. And genius.
@erikleite839
@erikleite839 Жыл бұрын
Yeah you don’t really feel it when listening to it, but when I learnt to play it on the piano the abnormal structure was more noticeable.
@danayang7712
@danayang7712 Жыл бұрын
Me too! And usually, phrases like that throw me totally off, I usually feel like I skipped or added some beats by failure when playing them. But with Beatles, nah! Haven't even noticed! That gave me an interesting theory, I've been listening to Beatles since I was 7, and was a hardcore fan right from the start. Which means now, at 42, I've heard all their songs so many times it just feels natural. It's supposed to be that way. Because I ve got used to it, of course, but can it also be, that, like with many other things, we are more open for it when we're kids? I had already started playing instruments at that age, but I just didn't care about how many bars a phrase held. Now, having played music all my life, irregular phrases (and bars) throw me off guard straight away. But Beatles still sounds fine. 😁🤣 Isn't that weird?
@G60syncro
@G60syncro Жыл бұрын
@@danayang7712 Same here at 44 and as a drummer I throw some Ringo'isms in songs we write that my younger bandmates and not so hardcore Beatlemaniacs just don't catch on the first throw!!
@IncredibleGoliath
@IncredibleGoliath Жыл бұрын
One issue with this kind of music theory is that it's usually presented without explaining HOW these ideas manage it. For example, Yesterday is in 2 bar phrases, not 4 bar: it actually gets 7 bars by halving the length of the first phrase, helped out by the fact that it's the only bar which is exclusively the tonic. The melodies of the first three phrases all resolve: the first from G to the tonic, the second from A to D, the third from D to G. Then the last phrase ends on a plagal cadence to prevent it from sounding like the end of the song. Of course, Paul didn't approach it by thinking "how can I write a 7-bar phrase", or any of the above, but that's what he wound up with. The idea of "tagging on" a bar (or cutting a bar from an 8-bar phrase) will have never even been considered.
@Stavboy
@Stavboy Жыл бұрын
@@IncredibleGoliath Excellently put. And, thank you. You've discovered where it has been 'cut'. You're damn right. It's only the first phrase, the titular refrain, that is one bar long. The rest are two bars. That's what I was looking for, and couldn't spot, because of how expertly crafted and well-hidden the 'anomaly' is. Of course, as you say, Paul wasn't thinking in terms of uneven bars of phrasing when conjuring this magic. But he 'fooled' the theory nerd in me, and I can only give him (and you for not being 'fooled') immense credit!
@Davaroni
@Davaroni Жыл бұрын
These Beatles and Radiohead people make good music. You should feature them in more videos.
@jeniferjoseph9200
@jeniferjoseph9200 Жыл бұрын
Idk I don’t think they’ll catch on
@sandybarnes887
@sandybarnes887 Жыл бұрын
What is a Radiohead? 🤔
@marcelszekowski315
@marcelszekowski315 Жыл бұрын
what do mean beatles
@bongjovi4928
@bongjovi4928 Жыл бұрын
Most overrated groups of all time
@buddyneher9359
@buddyneher9359 Жыл бұрын
guitar groups are on the way out
@santoriomaker69
@santoriomaker69 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of Queen, Don't Stop Me Now is another one that uses 5 bar phrases, but for most of the song. It's impressive how smoothly integrated it is that it doesn't sound jarring or feel like it's stretching.
@xenontesla122
@xenontesla122 Жыл бұрын
That’s the first example I thought of. Maybe it’s the combination of an extra bar and the fast tempo? Or just Queen making anything sound natural XD
@santoriomaker69
@santoriomaker69 Жыл бұрын
@@xenontesla122 I personally think it's in the chord progression that makes the odd length phrase sound smooth. That, and how well-structured the composition is to go along with each chord.
@AtomizedSound
@AtomizedSound Жыл бұрын
@@santoriomaker69 how it’s arranged and performed is most of the structure for how it sounds smooth for sure
@fluffyfluffykatz
@fluffyfluffykatz Жыл бұрын
Kiss from a Rose is another great example! The verses are in 5-bar phrases.
@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849
@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 Жыл бұрын
Kiss From a Rose is a masterpiece of a pop song. 27 years later, I never tire of it.
@ytcorporate9237
@ytcorporate9237 Жыл бұрын
You know the video's gonna be a good one when Macca's in the thumbnail :)
@jasonremy1627
@jasonremy1627 Жыл бұрын
I don't think he's done a video without at least one Beatle or Radiohead reference.
@zdoesgame
@zdoesgame Жыл бұрын
More like you know it's a David Bennet video when Macca's in the thumbnail.
@ytcorporate9237
@ytcorporate9237 Жыл бұрын
@@zdoesgame David Bennett = Good video, they're the same thing
@Tortidis987
@Tortidis987 Жыл бұрын
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@thesilvershining
@thesilvershining Жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the same thing, lol
@OurgasmComrade
@OurgasmComrade Жыл бұрын
Also Kate Bush's "Running Up That Hill" uses 11 bar structuring in both the verse and chorus!
@ESLSongs
@ESLSongs Жыл бұрын
I especially like Bjork's Hyperballad... firstly the bass enters seemingly playing 3 bars, but when Bjork starts singing we realise the three notes of the bass are actually one 3/4 (3/2?) bar. But then if you count her lines... she sings 10 bars before she starts the chorus! I love it!
@variousthings6470
@variousthings6470 Жыл бұрын
When I saw Bowie in the thumbnail, I guessed that Ashes to Ashes would be the example you talked about. However, I was expecting you to talk about its outro rather than the intro, because the outro has the added detail that the harmony repeats every three bars, but the vocals repeat every four bars. So the vocal phrase begins on a different chord every time it loops: |[Bbm] My mama said, to | |[Ab] get things done, you | |[Ebm] better not mess with | |[Bbm] Major Tom... | |[Ab] My mama said, to | |[Ebm] get things done, you | |[Bbm] better not mess with | |[Ab] Major Tom... | |[Ebm] My mama said, to | |[Bbm] get things done, you | |[Ab] better not mess with | |[Ebm] Major Tom... |
@mr.fahrenheit5131
@mr.fahrenheit5131 Жыл бұрын
Last Nite by The Strokes is another example of a 5-bar phrase Babooshka by Kate Bush is another example for 6-bar phrase Ban All The Music by Nothing But Thieves is a good example of mixing it up within the chorus section of the song
@zarzaparrilla67
@zarzaparrilla67 Жыл бұрын
@Dustin Void that's actually the first song that came to my mind before clicking the video, i love it, one of my favs from the strokes
@leetaylor15202
@leetaylor15202 Жыл бұрын
The intro to Massive Attack's "Teardrop" uses a looping three-bar phrase before switching to four bars for the verse.
@scartissue121
@scartissue121 Жыл бұрын
I always loved that the shortness of bars in the beginning Yesterday is then followed by Paul singing the word 'suddenly'. Clever songwriting. I think you did another video touching on artists who use words in this way in songs (the obvious being when a singer says 'stop' and the music stops e.g uptown funk)
@maetzchenmusik
@maetzchenmusik Жыл бұрын
Clever writing of lyrics to music would be a more appropriate way to express the fact.
@hopsiepike
@hopsiepike Жыл бұрын
Isn’t that painting with words?
@scartissue121
@scartissue121 Жыл бұрын
@@maetzchenmusik isn't that what I said?
@wyattstevens8574
@wyattstevens8574 Жыл бұрын
Maybe this instance of word-painting is an accident. David has a full video about "How much theory did the Beatles know?"
@maetzchenmusik
@maetzchenmusik Жыл бұрын
@@scartissue121 Surely you did so. I just wanted to make sure that lyrics aren't usually set to music in pop. Rather, one thinks about words to musical ideas.
@wgb01001
@wgb01001 Жыл бұрын
Another cool thing about Ashes To Ashes is at the end, he repeats a 4-line phrase, but does it over a 3-line melody, so no line gets repeated at the same melody. “My mother said/to get things done/you better not mess with/Major Tom.”
@PANTECHNICONRecordings
@PANTECHNICONRecordings Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say. (Well, it’s actually a four-bar melody repeated over a three-bar chord sequence to be precise).
@wgb01001
@wgb01001 Жыл бұрын
@@PANTECHNICONRecordings Is it a 4-bar melody though? The melody repeats every three lines, though the lyrics repeat every four.
@PANTECHNICONRecordings
@PANTECHNICONRecordings Жыл бұрын
@@wgb01001 No, the melody spans four bars (the downbeats are on “my”, “get” “better” and “Major”)
@wgb01001
@wgb01001 Жыл бұрын
@@PANTECHNICONRecordings Yes I know this. But the MELODY repeats every three lines. The melody of the MY mother says and MAJOR Tom lines are the same. The melody is 3 bars. The lyrics repeat every 4.
@anthonyorr8868
@anthonyorr8868 Жыл бұрын
I always found that 3 or 5 bar loops have a very cyclical feeling as opposed to 4 bar loops, which, to me, doesn't feel like it "loops" so much as it tells a linear story through musical notes. 4 bars feels like there is a beginning and end to the melody; 3 bars feels like it keeps swirling over itself, and beginning and end overlap. 5 bars feels like I got to hear a little more of the melody than I was meant to, only to start it again.
@anthonyorr8868
@anthonyorr8868 Жыл бұрын
@@AJBlueJay funny, I like the way the music I described sounds. I like when things are off
@jasons9663
@jasons9663 Жыл бұрын
Everybody Wants to Rule the World by Tears for Fears is in 3 bar phrases. Same with the chorus section the The Police's Roxanne.
@EmonEconomist
@EmonEconomist Жыл бұрын
Is it? I counted Everybody Wants To Rule The World and got 4-bar phrases, just that the melody sits in the second half of the bar so it feels offset to the usual phrasing.
@Faerithpiggles
@Faerithpiggles Жыл бұрын
The outro music you started doing in these videos is always a treat, but I especially loved today's. Could hear the principles you discussed in the video clearly, and the radiohead style perfectly compliments that kind of uneasy feeling that can come from the subversion of how you expect the piece to play out. Phenomenal!
@antinlogin
@antinlogin Жыл бұрын
Beautiful outro song indeed!
@analogbunny
@analogbunny Жыл бұрын
Yes! Sorry for pestering you about this for so long 😅 First time I counted out Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights" I've been obsessed ever since.
@aidanphr1446
@aidanphr1446 Жыл бұрын
I always liked how the chorus of “Here Today” by The Beach Boys lasts seven bars, with the premature ending coming right as the line “its here and gone so fast” is sung. I doubt it was an intentional composition choice by Brian, but it’s pretty brilliant.
@SongSecretsMomNeverTaughtYou
@SongSecretsMomNeverTaughtYou Жыл бұрын
The Beatles were like the rebels of conventional songwriting wisdom/theory, they would do the opposite of what others thought was "proper" and make it work! This is one of the reason's why I'm confident AI will not overtake or ruin music, it doesn't have the reasoning ability to make these types of writing decisions such as irregular phrase lengths or other neat tricks.
@OurgasmComrade
@OurgasmComrade Жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks David! The reason why writers can get away with this technique without sounding too jarring is because they are pairing these phrases in sets of two which eventually adds up to even bar counts. 3x2, 5x2, 7x2, etc.
@Oswlek
@Oswlek Жыл бұрын
The piano at the end is stunning. I would have listened for at least another four or five minutes. Probably more.
@forthefrogs
@forthefrogs Жыл бұрын
Me and Your Mama and Redbone both have incredible outros. definitely some of the best ive ever heard, and it isn't often you can definitively say something like that
@joseph-fernando-piano
@joseph-fernando-piano Жыл бұрын
A really well-known example of irregular phrase lengths from the classical music world is Chopin's Etude in E Major Op 10 No 3, the main section with it's incredibly famous melody is in four phrases, that are 5, 3, 5, and 7 bars long respectively...
@teccam
@teccam Жыл бұрын
Strange Overtones by David Byrne & Brian Eno is a great example. It's built on a ten-bar progression.
@joermnyc
@joermnyc Жыл бұрын
Great song!
@Kylora2112
@Kylora2112 Жыл бұрын
The Four Horsemen/Mechanix by Metallica/Megadeth has a verse riff built on a 7-bar loop. The middle section of Natural Science by Rush is also built on a 7-bar progression.
@thesuncollective1475
@thesuncollective1475 Жыл бұрын
I have used this in my writing. I think anything that is unexpected but gratifying is a plus. Great vid Thanks for the affirmation.
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@D1mitr3s
@D1mitr3s Жыл бұрын
The BEST channel! Explains music
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@adasmi5
@adasmi5 Жыл бұрын
I love how you demonstrate the topic of your video even during the sponsorship part
@jakeupsmith2217
@jakeupsmith2217 Жыл бұрын
as always perfect man
@captainraventwelve4895
@captainraventwelve4895 Жыл бұрын
Foo Fighters are really good at implementing this in their songs. Time like These, as David mentioned, uses 3 bar phrases in both the riff and the chorus. Everlong uses 7 bar phrases in the verses and 3 bar phrases in the prechorus, which sounds awesome. And All My Life uses 7 bar phrases in the chorus.
@xziggy_stardustx6786
@xziggy_stardustx6786 Жыл бұрын
The unanticipated jump to "suddenly" in "Yesterday" is genius -- the music surprises you and the lyrics reflect it beautifully.
@christhacker9450
@christhacker9450 Жыл бұрын
David, another great video! Thank you!
@VictorPM1550
@VictorPM1550 Жыл бұрын
About Ashes To Ashes, what I like most is the last part of the song... the loop where the music has 3 bars and the lyrics have 4 bars. So it revolves around... after 12 bars it's "in sync" again 🙂 1) My mother said 2) to get things done 3) you better not mess 4) with Major Tom 1) My mother said 2) to get things done 3) you better not mess 4) with Major Tom 1) My mother said 2) to get things done 3) you better not mess 4) with Major Tom 1) My mother said 2) to get things done 3) you better not mess 4) with Major Tom .... .... (3 bar loop goes on without lyrics)
@composer7325
@composer7325 Жыл бұрын
Excellent,Dave, thank you for this upload.
@TheHeyx
@TheHeyx Жыл бұрын
One of the best Music Channels! Keep it up with the good content 👏
@tatjbere
@tatjbere Жыл бұрын
You always keep me inspired with your videos, thank you 😊
@DrDoogoode
@DrDoogoode Жыл бұрын
David! I just noticed you're nearly 3/4 of the way to 1M subs. Waltzin' your way there. Highly deserved and I love the covers you use for your vids.
@materdeimusicd.buckley2974
@materdeimusicd.buckley2974 Жыл бұрын
Thanks David. Cool examples.
@Nathanaelsun22
@Nathanaelsun22 Жыл бұрын
Oooo really good one, been wanting one about this.
@brindmusicnerd
@brindmusicnerd Жыл бұрын
Excellent video - thank you 😊
@lim7lim
@lim7lim Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I've thought a lot about different meters, but not about how different phrase lengths can affect the Melody. And your piano solo at the end is beautiful, as usual, David.
@solnya
@solnya Жыл бұрын
as usual : so interesting and so well done. Perfect pedagogue !
@smitty1937
@smitty1937 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I never thought there would be a difference between irregular phrases and uncommon time signatures. I always put them hand in hand
@markam67
@markam67 Жыл бұрын
Always interesting and unusual ways of looking at how music works I am always impressed by your videos and your insight. Please keep up the amazing work.
@TheLawapa99
@TheLawapa99 Жыл бұрын
Thumbs up. Love this. Exploring what I don't know but love. Music's language. Laid out in visual form with concise explanations.
@GabeWilliams
@GabeWilliams Жыл бұрын
Definitely using this 🙏
@Goldomatic
@Goldomatic Жыл бұрын
The ending solo of Deerhunter's Desire Lines uses a 5 bar pattern, which really helps the ending section have a sense of constant motion
@cakemartyr5794
@cakemartyr5794 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, explaining why some music is particularly stimulating
@TheOddTimesMusic
@TheOddTimesMusic 2 ай бұрын
Making a song in 3 bar sections! :D Thank you david!
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano 2 ай бұрын
Great!
@grahamashcroft5991
@grahamashcroft5991 Жыл бұрын
David Bennet...you are an inspiration to music lovers and players. Taking apart music pieces and examining them in depth. You are an old head on young shoulders. Thankyou.
@awilttondevitto3630
@awilttondevitto3630 10 ай бұрын
That outro was beautiful!
@shaobingboy
@shaobingboy Жыл бұрын
I've never thought deeply of how many bar phrases should be used. This video is a great inspiration into a new wave of creativity that I didn't know was possible. Thanks David for spreading your wisdom
@mickeyrube6623
@mickeyrube6623 Жыл бұрын
Am glad you finally covered this. I find this effect far more interesting than, say, odd time signatures.
@doctorarmani2112
@doctorarmani2112 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent show and tell music theory vid using great songs to explain a complex subject.
@timspencer1
@timspencer1 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful outro to your video. Simply gorgeous 👏 👏
@AJBlueJay
@AJBlueJay Жыл бұрын
Pop songs with irregular phrasing Cars - Gary Numan Kiss from a Rose - Seal Girls Just Want to Have fun - Cyndi Lauper (5 bar phrase and the whole song has unusual structure) Peek a Boo - Devo Sanctuary - Madonna (overlapping & irregular phrasing) In the Closet - Michael Jackson Young and Proud - Ace of Base Thursday's Child - David Bowie Naughty Girls - Samantha Fox Let the Music Play - Shannon Virtual Insanity - Jamiroqai Break me Shake Me - Savage Garden Spiderwebs - No Doubt Two Princes - Spin Doctors & of course lots of Beatles songs
@rainbowrotcod
@rainbowrotcod 5 ай бұрын
surprised to see a mention of Thursday's Child! I have a soft spot for Bowie's more unpopular eras.
@jasonbrown9731
@jasonbrown9731 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting David.
@Charlie-bn7ho
@Charlie-bn7ho Жыл бұрын
Hey David! Another amazing video! I really enjoy these. You make these concepts so palatable and easy to use and understand. Would you be able to make one on different uses of the III chord, i.e. chromatic mediants? I feel like you’d be able to make a really informative video on it.
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’ve got a video planned on chromatic mediants actually. 😊
@nigelhaywood9753
@nigelhaywood9753 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Nice outro too!
@fredo1070
@fredo1070 Жыл бұрын
Facinating.
@fab5091
@fab5091 Жыл бұрын
so interesting video...as always...thanks
@JayCAlan
@JayCAlan Жыл бұрын
Top notch content. How are you not at 1M subs yet?!
@TheFakeyCakeMaker
@TheFakeyCakeMaker Жыл бұрын
I love these videos because they tell me what I'm actually hearing. Every single one of these songs mentioned I know and have liked for the reasons he explains I've just never been able to explain why myself. Now I can explain. If I'm honest I don't truly get the bars thing but I will. I'm enjoying these deep dives into music theory. It's where I belong. 🙂
@noviceproductions9450
@noviceproductions9450 Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for someone to make a video covering this!! The chorus from hey by pixies does this when cycling G, Em and Bm. Alot of songs on the doolittle album use odd counts of prases. Gouge away uses a 5 bar progression thoughout and wave of mutilation uses a 3 bar in the intro and chorus. There are many other examples, but I digress. Nice video man! :)
@Lesyeuxouverts
@Lesyeuxouverts Жыл бұрын
and now I'm learning a compo secret from one of my fav artists Tame Impala, really can't get enough of your video, many thanks for producing them, it is fantastic!
@antonblam2
@antonblam2 2 ай бұрын
- "Infinity 2008" is an electronic classic that plays 5 bar phrases through the entire track. - "Opus" by Eric Prydz made of 6 bar phrases, and starts from the 3rd one
@christiankruse5069
@christiankruse5069 Жыл бұрын
I like how when yesterday is “skipping a bar” the first time he sings “suddenly” because we are to the start earlier than expected
@jyotektosgaimur
@jyotektosgaimur Жыл бұрын
Collapse the light into earth by porcupine tree has a nice 5 bar loop, follow me by muse also does the same thing in the bridge where an extra 2 bars gets added on to an 8 bar progression for resolving the sustained dominant 5th, follow me's verses also are in an 18 bar structure. Also that 3x5 + 1 structure was also used pretty well in the song plug in baby too.
@forthefrogs
@forthefrogs Жыл бұрын
i didn't know that about About Damn Time!! that's so interesting. but it does make sense listening back!
@archive6094
@archive6094 Жыл бұрын
That Bowie cover sounds really cool! I'll have to look it up later
@andrewstillwell1191
@andrewstillwell1191 Жыл бұрын
Great 👍.
@greablood1072
@greablood1072 Жыл бұрын
Oh!! That’s what I look for in my own songs, a standard I use to sort interesting ideas from cliche ideas
@ljdobles8104
@ljdobles8104 Жыл бұрын
Excelente explicación
@andresmacnamara
@andresmacnamara Жыл бұрын
Great video! Also Don't Stop Me Now goes by 5
@TeShiky
@TeShiky Жыл бұрын
Can't believe you made this video without mentioning Hey Ya! by Outkast.
@A_Voice_In_The_Ocean
@A_Voice_In_The_Ocean Жыл бұрын
Beautiful outro, good soul, God bless!
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@TheStickCollector
@TheStickCollector Жыл бұрын
Always good to experiment with phrasing
@PerChristianFrankplads
@PerChristianFrankplads Жыл бұрын
Beautiful outro music - can I listen to the whole piece somewhere? And great video and videos in general, keep it up!
@MrFlippicat
@MrFlippicat Жыл бұрын
Just the kind of stuff I've been getting into as a songwriter! One of my favorite examples of writing like this comes from MARINA's song "Froot", which features a 20 bar chorus which I only found out by accident in counting
@healsroman4610
@healsroman4610 Жыл бұрын
gouge away by pixies is a really clear good example of a 5 loop bar, such an awesome song
@SteveBluescemi
@SteveBluescemi Жыл бұрын
And Tame is an excellent example of 3. Frank Black uses this technique very frequently.
@MarshallMathers3000
@MarshallMathers3000 Жыл бұрын
That’s who I hoped he’d talk about. Wave of Mutilation does it too.
@paragraphs7235
@paragraphs7235 Жыл бұрын
also, I've been tired uses a three bar loop
@paragraphs7235
@paragraphs7235 Жыл бұрын
and tony's theme uses a 5
@Nathanaelsun22
@Nathanaelsun22 Жыл бұрын
another idea that i would love to see one of your lovely inspiring videos on, songs where the chorus is in a different key or mode, many complex songs, use this and its mysterious what the different techniques may be... examples would be, what a fool believes, golden lady, and So many more, seems to be a lot from the mid to late 80s through the 80s... another example, Night Fever, a number of bee gees songs do this... what are the tricks that make these changes work and what are the variences that create different effects. Thanks for the great videos!
@dominicellis1867
@dominicellis1867 Жыл бұрын
This is the exact mechanism used in jazz when they employ alterations on dominant chords and sometimes alter the bass note. The macro alteration is stronger and more intense in this case because uneven bass motion creates a feeling of unease similar to the use of odd meters. For instance, we normally use V7alt to tonicize Imin because it borrows from bVImin. But, if we also alter the bass note itself and translate the chord up or down a half step we can create an even stronger tension that has an even higher divergence. That’s why Wayne will typically use bVI7 or bV7 to lead into new sections.
@skateebee
@skateebee Жыл бұрын
I've learned more watching your channel than I did in music theory class! Another great video!!👍👍👍
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
😃😃😃😃
@MandrakeGuy
@MandrakeGuy Жыл бұрын
last time adam neely briefly brought up this topic i immediately created a track with this kinda idea in mind (i used 3 bars per measure/phrase), but i havent really played with the idea since, so thanks for reminding me about this concept my guy :guuut: time to make 40 tracks in a row with 5 bars per phrase /j
@MandrakeGuy
@MandrakeGuy Жыл бұрын
update; damn i didnt even notice how common this kind of thing is, so as it turns out i actually should play with this concept............ 9.4 phrase length anyone?
@elijahderinger7080
@elijahderinger7080 Жыл бұрын
You should do a whole video dedicated to Tame Impala. He's such a talented composer, and uses "tricks" as one of his main techniques. Tons of interesting stuff to cover in almost every song, and such a diverse sound across his albums.
@salutcmoi2287
@salutcmoi2287 Жыл бұрын
You're right lots of 3 bars loops, and also an awesome 5 bars loops in Runways, Houses, City, Clouds
@egilsandnes9637
@egilsandnes9637 Жыл бұрын
Damn. I got too high expectations to Tame Impala after reading your comment. Not my cup of tea unfortunately.
@elijahderinger7080
@elijahderinger7080 Жыл бұрын
@@egilsandnes9637 There are four albums, each with a unique sound. What kind of music do you like normally?
@egilsandnes9637
@egilsandnes9637 Жыл бұрын
@@elijahderinger7080 I like most music. Favourites are Bach, Pink Floyd, Liszt, all sorts of jazz, Sevish, Bel Canto, several Norwegian singer songwriters, Røyksopp, Rachmaninov ... just to name a very few from the top of my head. I guess the two things that didn't really hit me right with Tame Impala is the general sound (That quickly got a bit stale I think) and the melodies (or lack thereof). To be fair I only listened to the first 5-6 tracks of the album Currents, and Runaway Houses City Clouds. I quickly got frustrated by both melody, timbre and harmony.
@elijahderinger7080
@elijahderinger7080 Жыл бұрын
@@egilsandnes9637 i would not listen to currents or the slow rush then, give innerspeaker and lonerism a shot, im always a strong advocate of listening to the full album, he has a very cohesive sound, but only for the individual albums. lonerism is pretty widely regarded his best
@kudeirosax
@kudeirosax Жыл бұрын
Don't stop me now has 5 bars phrases in the verse Great video!!
Жыл бұрын
These song videos always have interesting ideas.
@andremassabki6034
@andremassabki6034 Жыл бұрын
By the moment I read the vid's title, I knew "Ashes to Ashes" by Bowie would be mentioned hehe ❤️ Fun comment aside, congrats for the content, David. Keep on doing it!
@paulnortham
@paulnortham Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! And what's going on in the outro? Doesn't he throw a 4/4 section with lyrics over the top, which makes it sound even stranger?!
@andremassabki6034
@andremassabki6034 Жыл бұрын
@@paulnortham ikr!!
@splatterbabble
@splatterbabble Жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out that Devo's "Gut Feeling" delivers a great five bar phrase for all but the chorus.
@lanceglover9538
@lanceglover9538 Жыл бұрын
excellent example
@yommish
@yommish 2 ай бұрын
Banger
@timmccarthy872
@timmccarthy872 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I could never quite put my finger on what made About Damn Time so punchy.
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano Жыл бұрын
😊😊😊😊
@rdspam
@rdspam Жыл бұрын
Listen to/write out Let It Happen’s four three-bar phrases into three four-bar phrases, and it’s perfectly fine. To my ear, it actually sound ps more like the intention of the music. Similarly, Bowie’s throws in bars that are all rests, plus the one “extra”, just makes it a series of 5 bar phrases.
@nicholasharvey1232
@nicholasharvey1232 Жыл бұрын
I was solving a crossword puzzle while watching in, and I was filling in BOWIE right when you got to "Ashes to Ashes". Strange...
@burning_KFC
@burning_KFC Жыл бұрын
As always writing a comment to support the channel
@MacGyver5AF
@MacGyver5AF Жыл бұрын
I think the topic of this video is more about "persuading". If I am persuaded that the song is complete and smooth, I don't need to ask myself, if there is 4/8/16 bars in a section. I am glad that Queen made it into this video. I am (unfortunately) not a fan of Beatles, and a song of Queen always make my day.
@thebreakfastmenu
@thebreakfastmenu Жыл бұрын
Neat, a Taka and Joe cover made it into a David Bennett video.
@ivanazaroffmusic
@ivanazaroffmusic Жыл бұрын
I find this topic so interesting. One of my favourite examples is “Worst Comes to Worst” by dilated peoples. Like most hip hop songs, the instrumental is a loop but on this track its 3 bars and it sounds so cool especially because barely any other hip hop tracks do that
@artemiy_s
@artemiy_s Жыл бұрын
also electric relaxation and lyrics to go by atcq, stakes is high and much more by de la soul, mind blowin bu pepe rock
@sssjaeger
@sssjaeger Жыл бұрын
I love the 6-bar chorus of “Voulez-Vous” by ABBA
@correcturegames8389
@correcturegames8389 Жыл бұрын
Tori Amos' song Spark does 6 bars of 3/4 in the intro, then in the verse adds beats to extend certain vocal phrases to a very neat effect in my opinion. :)
@mattchandler2309
@mattchandler2309 Жыл бұрын
I had always noted the jolt in “Heart of glass” but never thought much of it. Nice analysis! Have you analysed how few “pop” songs use 3/4 or 6/8 time. Ocean Colour Scene’s “The Riverboat Song” is a great 6/8 example. And The Stranglers Golden Brown is a masterpiece of time signatures
@ThinWhiteAxe
@ThinWhiteAxe Жыл бұрын
DUUUUDE that Ashes to Ashes example blew my mind! Bowie was a frickin' genius.
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