Sonic CD - Has R2's Good Future Theme Finally Been Found?? - A Sonic CD Theory

[@videotape2959]

R2 is one of my most sought-after cut elements from Sonic games. It's the "c17_02" of the Sonic series hahaha. For those who aren't Half-Life 2 fans, "c17_02" was one of the map files that made up the trek through City 17 presumably during the game's late 2000-early 2001's development period. In the map folders we have that were leaked in 2003, there are many revisions of c17_01 and a single revision of c17_03, but no copies of c17_02.

[@videotape2959]

@@voidpacer Yes, they're VMF files, uncompiled map files. They contain general information about the map, the 3D geometry, the position of the entities, etc... They do not contain textures, entities, models or sound effects. Thankfully however, a build of the game was leaked alongside those uncompiled maps and although it is from late 2003, it still contains some textures, sound effects, models and entities from earlier development phases.

[@roby4504]

God, I remember being so fascinated with HL2's beta, looking up all the unused sounds, maps and even voicelines. I miss those times.

[@videotape2959]

@@roby4504 I still am fascinated by HL2.

[@videotape2959]

@@voidpacer Nope, sadly I do not have it.

[@aPonderousChain]

I can't wait to start seeing Dubious Depths mods. It's a great time to be a CD fan. I feel like we're on the cusp of a proper CD PC version equivalent to Sonic 3 A.I.R. It's the only Classic game to go, and the work done on the Restored mod would be a great foundation. There's even mods to restore the Mega CD pixel art cutscenes, missing music loop pieces, instantaneous time travel, etc. The work just needs to be compiled together.

[@Basquete_springtrap]

R2 past meanwhile: 💀

[@jmccloud87]

a channel named COLTEREX made a nice past theme, if u wanna check it out

[@Gokumui1111]

tu e br que eu sei kaakakakakakaka

[@Basquete_springtrap]

@@Gokumui1111 acerto poha 😃

[@Gokumui1111]

@@Basquete_springtrap tbm ne o nome kakakakak

[@Basquete_springtrap]

@@Gokumui1111 eu literalmente usei o google tradutor pra traduzir 2 palavras kk

[@ClassicSonic549]

I am a hardcore Sonic CD fan and the fact we have gotten this far with a early scraped zone is impressive.

[@Floppsilon]

You know, with the fact brought up at 7:05, I can't help but wonder, could the Past & Good/Bad Future tracks be based off the other Pacific tracks by 808 State Pacific 718 sounds like it could be the inspiration for a bad future track, and Pacific 101 sounds like possible inspiration for a past track. Edit: Pacific 909 sounds like something that would be a good future track as well.

[@eightee7635]

Bro so we had almost EVERY R2 song this whole time?!?! 🤯 At this rate we might even get to see the level one day lol, this is crazy

[@jmccloud87]

someone made a fan made past song which i think is perfect. the channel is COLTEREX. he made some really nice remixes

[@ese_je_cero_cinco.]

It's a theory dude

[@jmccloud87]

@@ese_je_cero_cinco. so?? he's just excited you don't need to ruin his fun

[@ese_je_cero_cinco.]

@@jmccloud87 oh ok

[@hiddenboy007]

it's literally just speculation

[@bingobo2551]

Honestly I would love to see all 3 of sonic cd’s scrapped zones come back in a future remake. Not counting mirage saloon. I would wonder how both R2 & DD would play out if they actually came out would they be like something in the style of SS, TT or even MM. or would they do their own thing. For FF I think it would have worked like the final boss of SA3 but you would have to time travel to defeat the boss. I’m not sure tbh.

[@siarhian10]

all 3? I thought it was just Dubious Depths/Ridicule Root/R2?

[@lam7207]

@@siarhian10 @Bingobo 25 is refering to the 2 cut zones (Desert Dazzle and Final Fever) from the Christian Whitehead version of Sonic CD and he said that he would love for these 2 zones (along with Dubious Depths/Ridicule Roots) to be added in a future remake of Sonic CD. I hope that clarifies your confusion

[@siarhian10]

@@lam7207 cheers

[@mob6981]

@@lam7207 Ayo, but these one are from the remake,those don't counts as a scrapped zone cuz they got reused for sonic mania 🗿

[@lam7207]

@@mob6981 wdym they dont count? They're still cut from the game! Just because they're put in another game doesn't mean they're still not unused in the game they were supposed to be in. Also you must have read my comment wrong and thought it was me that would like a future remake with all 3 zones added when I was just clarrifying @Bingobo 25 Comment.

[@koi_sakana]

If R2 is the random stage found in the credits, then someone could potentially try and remake what R2 could have been. Just thinking about it, it’s sort of like marble zone in the way it looked, without lava. Potentially even looking like some of the Sonic 2 concepts art.

[@Basquete_springtrap]

Marble zone + labyrinth zone = r2

[@iggy_69420]

Probably but the colors for r2 would probably be different since some of the other levels aren’t colored like they are in the final game

[@WoofWoofWhisper]

@@Basquete_springtrap Actually pretty sure tidal tempest takes the spot of labyrinth making Marble in reality R2

[@WoofWoofWhisper]

For reference: Green Hill = Palmtree Panic Marble Zone = R2 Spring yard = Collision chaos Labyrinth = Tidal Tempest And so on.

[@TobytheHedgehog]

Rainbow Lava for Ridicule Root?(Yes That is one of R2's offical names)

[@failisha1786]

This needs more likes ngl, like they literally spend so much effort and literally spend like years discovering R2 come on y’all

[@StephenHopkinsVaults]

i still like the rainbow ruins tune thats on youtube. sad a level was cut. sonic cd is my favourite love the colours, the vibes it just has 90s all over it.

[@Loader2K1]

Interesting theory and analysis! Keep up the good work!

[@AlphaAurora]

You know, the erosion levels also appears to include the day/night cycle too from the looks of it. So Sonic CD was meant to take place over 2 days?

[@Astro-rk3ry]

Im glad i live in the present where we have all the music and more concept art for r2 and a official name for the zone

[@selph8278]

i want dubious depths to be leaked from a prototype!

[@gengargamer5657]

Unfortunately, it doesn't exist. The level was scrapped early on and the only remnant of it in prototypes is an R2 level select option in one of the early builds, but sadly that option doesn't work.

[@selph8278]

@@gengargamer5657 i think there's a bit more bc christian whitehead actually pulled out some enemy sprites and a boss from dubious depths while working on the 2011 port there probably is a beta version dating past the only prototype we have but obviously before the final with completed round 2 art and at least a partially finished level with its obstacles

[@gengargamer5657]

@@selph8278 I doubt it, because if there was, then at least one of the prototypes would've had something. That was the case for Sonic 2's prototypes, afterall.

[@selph8278]

@@gengargamer5657 we actually have only had a single sonic cd prototype, and it was very early in development, which is why there's still hope

[@gengargamer5657]

@@selph8278 No, we've actually had a few, and none of the later ones have any mention of R2. I recommend checking out TetraBitGaming's video on the subject. He has a video where he goes over multiple Sonic CD prototypes.

[@kittyboochanyesbongono8467]

Actually, Here is what Sonic CD was originally gonna be like: 1. Salad Plain 2. Dubious Depths 3. Collision Chaos 4. Quartz Quadrant 5. Wacky Workbench 6. Stardust Speedway There were originally gonna be 6 rounds, with the old name of Palmtree Panic, addition of Dubious Depths, and the removal of Tidal Tempest and Metallic Madness

[@TMXMediaYT]

Tidal Tempest and Metallic Madness were always planned, what are you on about

[@TMXMediaYT]

And Wacky Workbench's original name was Crazy Toybox

[@kittyboochanyesbongono8467]

Oh yes, I was just getting info from the ending video of Sonic CD

[@MrNoobNub]

@@kittyboochanyesbongono8467 the ending video shows metallic madness though

[@SonicStuffs]

Very good video

[@Jerricoking]

I just hope we find the freaking songs man.

[@JojoJere]

R2 is Dubious Depths.

[@ojama102]

Amazing!

[@dylanzlol7293]

Imagine the bad future version

[@sayaka_miki353]

Were already have but this is really bad know just a search "r2 bad future" were have proofs that it is real

[@DJtheMJ]

We already have it. We need a past.

[@gengargamer5657]

Look up the Techno Power Mix album. The second song is the official Bad Future version

[@Caliber30001]

im hoping to see if one day we will discover the real tracks for the other times, is prob not gonna happen, but im still hoping to at least, see the comumnity find the protos of the tracks more than anything, the past version

[@BackroomsSlayer]

I think I hear Trollge narrating this. R2 likely was purposely left for the fans to pick up as devs back then were known to do that.

[@OtterLords]

I wish we could play R2 and see this enemies in the credits

[@diegocobabravo1127]

Dubious Dephts/R2

[@gengargamer5657]

Don't forget Ridicule Root

[@mediamuncher69]

Relic ruin zone, as well.

[@gengargamer5657]

@@mediamuncher69 Not anymore. It's been confirmed that its name is Dubious Depths/Ridicule Root

[@mediamuncher69]

@@gengargamer5657 oh

[@gengargamer5657]

@@mediamuncher69 yup

[@Sam_Romero15]

Maybe one day one day we’ll be able to see Real photos of R2

[@SecretSumCF]

could there be a us version of r2 lost

[@iggy_69420]

Most likely not because r2 was cut early in development and the us soundtrack was made 2 months away or 4 months away from the release date in us

[@SecretSumCF]

Oh thanks btw

[@dylanzlol7293]

no but someone out there could make a fanmade version of it

[@lebollsong]

Nope US soundtrack was made after R2 was scrapped, so none exist

[@varganyamuvek]

LIKELY no, because the Japanese version was (I think) finalized, wheb SEGA started working on the US soundtrack

[@gerardo_contreras]

Sonic CD is my favorite

[@El__Mosquito]

Angelfox dagoat

[@El__Mosquito]

Alex you rules

[@hidenaxolotl]

OMG I ACUALLY MIGHT HAVE A PROTOTYPE IN MA BASMENT WITH DUBIOUS DEPTHS

[@thesoniccdproject]

Zitto, porco dio

[@S0meb0dy728]

?

[@R34on]

Nah the bad future version more cooler