Sonic Obscurities Iceberg Explained

[@LagBlowz]

Ok, so, looking back, almost two years later, yeah, this video could've been a lot better. Number 1. I probably shouldn't've done the entire video's audio in one hour-long take, just sapped all my energy for some reason. Number 2. Not explaining why I didn't like Sonic R's soundtrack was a bad idea in hindsight, my main issue has always been the lyrics, and I never really thought it fit the concept of a "sonic racing game". Number 3. I put in the jump scares under the assumption that people wouldn't be watching in full volume, and were actually watching instead of just listening, that's my bad for putting them in, trust me, it'll never happen again. Number 4. I did get some info wrong, mainly because I didn't spend as much time as I should have with researching some subjects. All in all, if I ever do something like this again, which isn't very likely, I'll keep a lot of this in mind. I really want to make stuff again, but I've just been dragging my feet on it.

[@RoseSupreme]

Yeah, if you're gonna do jumpscares or loud noises, give us like a 5-10 second prepping time before you do. Don't give us literally less than 1 second. Or, y'know, don't ever fucking do them at all. I genuinely question the mentality of those who do them. Jumpscares and earrape aren't cool. And they *NEVER...* will be. You hear me?

[@fallingstar4990]

I was watching this at night and wasn't ready for the jumpscares lol. I don't mind them, but a bit more warning would've been nice.

[@johnsmith0001]

Sonic R soundtrack ROCKS and everyone love it nerd

[@Yharim-vt8ws]

@@johnsmith0001 fr so many bangers

[@aaronwatson1432]

I love Sonic R's soundtrack!

[@daseal1479]

Sonic R gets a bad rap...

[@olivia6808]

Me too!

[@20000dino]

He was honestly blowing it way out of proportion, like dude chill, it's not that bad

[@Igneeka]

Yeah like it's kinda cheesy, makes little sense and doesn't fit the game at all but come on it's a classic I love that it exists

[@tourguideplays5477]

Sonic R is my favorite spinoff

[@miniaturemoon8627]

can't believe you'd say that about sonic r, the soundtrack is unironically fire 😡😡😡

[@bean7649]

It is

[@Bile_NG]

Some real bangers in there

[@alexistheguy09]

sonic r soundtrack is very very good

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

For real!!! It slaps

[@TallyMarkAB]

CAN YOU FEEL THE SUNSHINE?

[@Octo4533]

The best parts about Sonic R are the character models and the ost.

[@spoonybard2380]

ost is great but idk about the models. have you seen some of them close up? sonic in particular's is notably bad if you compare it to his sonic jam model.

[@Octo4533]

@@spoonybard2380 The only issues with the R models are misplaced textures and a slightly lower poly count.

[@spoonybard2380]

@@Octo4533 while true, i feel like separating textures from models is a bit redundant when referring to just how the models look in game. sure, the model might be fine with different textures, but aside from mods we'll only ever see the models with the janky and misplaced textures. so when i say the models aren't that great, i'm including the textures. admittedly some stuff like sonic's shoe buckle, amy's lazy eye, and basically everything about eggman's aren't a huge issue during gameplay since you only ever see the front of the characters during results or in the select screen, but some of them, like knuckles in particular, are a little hard to not notice lol.

[@Octo4533]

@@spoonybard2380 Even if the textures are janky during gameplay nobody would've even noticed it on a CRT screen

[@spoonybard2380]

@@Octo4533 trust me i get the whole CRT thing but there are plenty other games from that era designed for CRTs that have better textures. sonic jam would be be an example of that, or the NiGHTS sonic model for that matter.

[@spineappletea]

at this point naming a game "sonic extreme" is basically asking to get canceled.

[@Augustyand]

It Probably Was Going Be Changed

[@spineappletea]

@ShinyMoltres the fact that every game named sonic riders got cancelled.

[@TheFatestPat]

Maybe when Sega saw the title they started having flashbacks. No wonder they never responded.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Horrifying fact to point out: given the legal precedent of the Ken Penders case making his near-fanfiction based on an existing property his property, Sonichu could also legally be considered a fully original character by the American courts.

[@jjoshi4858]

34:52 This is the most wholesome thing I've seen. I WANT MORE

[@charliep7112]

God, why did you use the word "wholesome"? You deserve a Reddit Moment. By the way, I have a lot of vitamin D, more vitamin D than you could imagine, oh and I don't just touch grass, I snuggle with grass, like a man, I go outside more than you, so give it up Redditor, because you don't want to fight a man with lots of vitamin D in his blood.

[@slicklyndon1756]

@@charliep7112 Pft is this a copy pasta or smth?

[@charliep7112]

@@slicklyndon1756 clearly I was poking fun at r/RedditMoment.

[@charliep7112]

@@slicklyndon1756 though feel free to use it as a copypasta.

[@slicklyndon1756]

@@charliep7112 Yeah though the reason I asked that was because it felt too much like a joke on people who say redditors and internet users ARE low lives, which they usually are. But still.

[@BWF6_Official]

The Anti-piracy measure in SA2 doesn't kill the player on every level, but only on the final level of the game - Cannon's Core. This was made so that the player couldn't see the true ending of the game (the footage shown was correct but the details weren't). (Source: Did You Know Gaming? on KZbin; I don't remember which video) From what I know the soundtrack of Sonic CD in US was replaced due to it sounding "too 90's". Apparently the team working on CD researched popular music styles in USA and from what information they gathered they made the music fit the likes of western audience. After the game was presented, Sega of America decided they were tired of the 90's music style and simply changed it. The Past tracks were left unchanged as there wasn't enough time to mess with the hardware's PCM (the entire US OST was composed in only 7 weeks!). (Source: The Making of Sonic CD by strafefox on KZbin)

[@CallmehCat.]

34:14 i didn't have enough time to lower my volume and i got greated by tails screaming lol

[@metalducky1665]

Finally an iceberg with information I haven't heard a million times! Great video.

[@aerogt7]

Nice video, although some details are a little off, but maybe it was because of the lack of findings. So, for anyone that's wondering, at 22:00 the "Sonic Movie Pitches" are referring to the few instances in which people tried to pitch Sega ideas and scripts for various Sonic movies. For example there was the Sonic Armageddon pitch by Ken Penders(yeah that Ken Penders, the Archie weird guy) and one which was trying to be a live action movie that will take Sonic into the real world to interact with a kid to save the world and such, I think there was another one before it in the 90s but I don't remember the details of that one. The images you show are not pitches to Sega rather than the first promotional material when Sega worked with Sony(first promotional poster you showed) and the second was the one of the "final" promotional art for the Paramount movie, none of the images you show actually reflect a pitch

[@redmagejack]

God, the fact that SEGA sent a mascot to fucking PANCRASE of all wrestling companies is amazing in itself.

[@pedro64m]

Holy crap you scared me with the minor jumpscare and the sonic movie older design

[@Symmetry_Obsessed_Freak]

17:15 Underated AS FUCK game. I played it on Wii, and it still is one of my favorite sonic games

[@thescarletmemester3727]

Ive been on the sonic spinball ride during and after the sega partnership and though most of the theming is gone one picture of eggman can still be found

[@min2793]

Fun Fact! The Machine's assets from Sonic Spinball were actually the Cyber City assets before being repurposed for Sonic Spinball.

[@owenpp3334]

>"None of these are jokes and are to be taken seriously" >Upbeat SA1 music starts >"Genocide Ci-"

[@Nomar2007_NWDE_WRESTLING]

26:10 unfortunately that was not the early concept art of Ice Cap Zone, I mean it does look like a winter stage, but this winter level concept art was literally one of the deleted levels from Sonic 2, originally Sonic 2 was meant to have a time travel feature similar of how Sonic CD does.

[@taoxi3807]

Sonic R's soundtrack is fire, I had to relisten to that part because I thought I misheard you lmao

[@organfuneralcovers]

The japanese sonic cd soundtrack sampled george Clinton. They paid a college professor for his music to use as the u.s.a. soundtrack to avoid a legal battle

[@MackenziiRivers]

The trans flag wasn't even made until 3 years later to for certain its a coincidence

[@SUNSHINE-t-m]

movie pitches refer to the many movie pitches that were done before the 2020 movie was done. one was by ken penders himself. google sonic armageddon for info on that one. lsmark made a vid on the 3 pitches

[@gagerx2]

PatMac actually made the video

[@olivia6808]

I loved this iceberg, tons of new info!

[@neno_alt_account]

BRO THE PICTURES FOR TREASURE TAILS WERE PUT ON THE INTERNET RIGHT ON MY BIRTHDAY

[@CeeKay07]

Underrated. Keep up the great work!

[@muffin8460]

Why is he so good?

[@teaoftraffic]

2:30 *TRIPLETS BORN, THE THRONE AWAITS*

[@TheOGLegoGuy]

Juice wrld song called keep up is actually just his unused lines in the song Speed me up which was used in the final movie , the version with his verses in speed me up can be found on KZbin

[@kirb-star622]

Was giving a huge thumbs up to the video, but the Sonic R OST diss made me regret that

[@TheKxtsune]

Living in the city is one of the best sonic songs and thats from sonic r

[@rakoon328]

I really wish sonic x-treme would have come out in some way. It'd be awesome to have a Mario 64 like game to go to as a sonic die hard. So much shit happened during production and no surprise it didn't happen. I believe that's why we Covent the adventure series so much.

[@ScreamingAllTheTime]

Wait why is the source of the Tails masco video DankPods? Why was he talking about that?

[@Jadethehedgehog980]

That huge scare of the sonic movie sonic shared the hedgehog out of me

[@apslup]

Great video! I actually planned on making a video on this iceberg myself but you beat me to the punch! Some further information/corrections on some entries. No disrespect intended at all, however I will not tolerate any Sonic R OST slander. Tokyo Toy Show: Yuki Naka said in a 2011 interview with GamesRadar that this prototype was considered to be included with Sonic Mega Collection, but Sega themselves couldn’t find it in their archives. info.sonicretro.org/Yuji_Naka_interview_by_Games_Radar_(June_27,_2011) Resaurus Sonic Figures Wave 3: As these figures were based on SA2, they included figures of Rouge and Shadow. In a press release for the set, they revealed Rouge and Shadow’s names before they were officially revealed by Sega, which is probably the main reason this topic is on the on the iceberg. R2: R2 briefly appears in the End Credits cutscene of Sonic CD, of course between the Palmtree Panic and Collision Chaos sections. Christian Whitehead (Lead Engineer on the Sonic CD Retro Engine remake) said in a post on Sonic Retro that the animation for the cutscenes began very early in development, before R2 was scrapped. Lost Archie Issues: I guess you could consider the early versions of the Chaotix Quest Arc from Sonic Universe in there, which had to be rewritten during the publication due to the outcome of the Ken Penders' lawsuit. There also a ton of Sonic Universe issues revealed before the Archie stopped publishing Sonic, as well as issues from their ‘Archives’ compilation series. Sonic 1 Nick Arcade prototype: drx says the Sonic 1 prototype leaked earlier this year was once owned by a British gaming magazine from the 90s. Sonic OVA OST: While there was no official release of the OVA’s soundtrack, a ton of demo tracks were leaked in September of last year. As well as tracks from the final movie, there also some unused tracks and a full version of Look-a-Like. kzbin.info/aero/PLbGNUtFOh-FjQKLgGsvWCK9e75MSQRG05 Sonic movie pitches: I think this was supposed to refer to pitches for other Sonic movies, like Sonic Wonders of the World and Sonic Armageddon, conceptualised by Ken Penders. You can find out more from this excellent video by PatMac. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWOWi3xpqqypb9k AoStH pilot: While the leaked version of the pilot is a rough cut (as shown by the incomplete audio and time code), some of its finished footage was reused. The scene that plays during the end credits of the show is taken from the pilot, Scratch and Grounder are watching a clip from the pilot in the episode ‘Untouchable Sonic’ and clips were used in an ad for Fox 39 Kids Club and in a promotional video for Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood.

[@Paper246]

While I never watched it, I still cry at the loss of sonic ova

[@PlushieMaster]

Pretty sure you can easily pirate it

[@Paper246]

@@PlushieMaster lol

[@Lime-AID]

8:14 laughs in sonic mega collection, sonic jam, and sonic 3 and knuckles steam port.

[@zykotic06]

this guy NEEDS more subs!

[@cycheoutsfan221]

Finally a good Sonic iceberg

[@Uni_Unikade]

yeah the bad sonic show of the three in layer one is sonic satam (i am saying this cuz i have no clue what sonic satam is other than some random saturday morning cartoon and both the OG sonic show and sonic underground are masterpieces)

[@CrazyDavePlants]

I guess cyber city is the reason metropolis 3 is a different zone in level select

[@thecombiner4710]

ITS A SPOOKY MONTH!!! he just did the spooky month dance

[@Corarii]

i used to go on sonic central religiously as a kid

[@PosthumanHeresy]

36:31 Shoulda contracted those madmen always showing up on SSFF.

[@ProGremlinPlayer]

Sonic R's ost sucks? dude how can anyone not like SUPAR SAWNECK RAYCIN

[@Lawplayer00]

A lot of people I know like sonic underground and so did I, it’s not sonic show lol but it’s a good kids show

[@doomnerd2764]

17:15 I remember a Proto type in a old game store my dad went to had a blank white case that called it sonic unleashed for unlimited and when I turned the case around on the back I saw the half sonic half monster sonic

[@gagerx2]

Is there any proof

[@doomnerd2764]

@@gagerx2 Na, sorry mate

[@Jaysterrr]

ABC never aired Aosth

[@bagelgod946]

4:05 there was a copy stolen of a sonic 2 prototype that would later be leaked so maybe that’s what you were thinking of.

[@Crunchynote]

17:44 "Landfill" LMFAOO

[@Raviolling]

I haven't heard the word twin tailed since I was like three

[@master99builder]

33:44 AYOOOO

[@MemeinAndDreamin]

I'm sorry you were born wrong. It's not your fault. Sonic R's soundtrack is amazing.

[@Silverrain84fly]

saying the sonic R ost sucks is insane lmao

[@Fishyfishdish_]

Cool

[@TallyMarkAB]

Sonic R maybe shit but the music slaps

[@michenry8]

omg the sonic rush music for layer 3 🥰 i love get edgy

[@CosmicSponge2004]

Shadow Shoot isn't lost or japan exclusive! Why does *EVERYONE* keep saying this!?

[@sizz278]

This dude telling the truth because some stuff I already know

[@butcherax]

Strange attitude throughout this video. You know you didn't have to make this?

[@LegoBootyClapper]

What kind of strange attitudes Mr. Guy who it's never gonna answer my comment

[@EthanTheGamer77]

1:54 *the* *what*

[@hanunganindita7624]

But that tails costume from sega world london was ok with some live streamers😠😠😠😠

[@hanunganindita7624]

Like supernardfull sx and patmac!!!! 😠😠😠😠😠😠

[@MLK1067]

Can you please stop swearing there are children watching this video!!! 😠

[@PlushieMaster]

Bruh

[@organfuneralcovers]

Had to change my like to an unlike bc of what you said about sonic r.

[@marnea1]

Dude, I love Sonic R's soundtrack. Diamond in the Sky is one of my go to's.

[@CesarSaladBowl]

Same,probably my favorite one actually

[@96KJD]

I think sonic r only saving grace is it’s music lol

[@mediamuncher6982]

Not true graphics and game play

[@canethevelociraptor501]

As a Sonic Fan, you are 70% correct.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

@@mediamuncher6982 Gameplay? Hell no. It's a terrible game to play. Graphics? Only on the PC port. The graphical design is actually really cool and unique. However, the draw distance on the Saturn was practically Silent Hill Racing.

[@mediamuncher6982]

@@PosthumanHeresy I can kinda see your point on those things true true

[@PosthumanHeresy]

​@@mediamuncher6982 Thanks. Yeah, the art and music are easily the best part. The art direction is the only released contemporary attempt to adapt the aesthetic of 2D Sonic into 3D, which makes it absolutely one of the most unique-looking games of all time. Also, the Gamecube version in the collection is a port of the PC port, so you might have been thinking of that version. Because of just how hard they went on the graphics, the dichotomy between the Saturn and PC versions is as bad as 90s console ports of Doom vs Doom as it was intended. If you wanna see the Saturn's weak graphics, watch the Rerez video on Sonic R. They stuck with the Saturn copy for authenticity to the original game. Sonic R is the only Sonic game where PCMR comes into play.

[@mino2123]

"sonic r's soundtrack sucks" respect instantly lost

[@IanJulian02]

Sonic R has a great soundtrack 😡😩

[@Leo-xd2iw]

This is the best iceberg in the sense the obscurity actually gets more and more obscure unlike some icebergs where they get creepier and creepier. Also your voice is very good for icebergs and things like icebergs. Congrats and I wish for you to get more views

[@idw3607]

This guy just said sonic r music track sucked boi If you don't get out

[@tobitimesthree]

the second i heard that sonic r ost slander i came to the comments and am so glad other people had the same thoughts

[@777superlightwater]

“I’m not gonna waste your time explaining what an iceberg video is” *proceeds to explain what an iceberg video is*

[@jester8379]

Great video! Definitely one of the better Sonic iceberg videos on KZbin in both content and overall editing quality. Also, I believe "Sonic movie pitches" is referring to scrapped plots for the Sonic movie that the writers Josh Miller and Pat Casey have discussed on podcasts and during interviews. The movie was planned to be PG-13 for quite a while and one of the old concepts we know about is where Sonic would actually be a wanted interstellar criminal who stole one of the Chaos Emeralds, upon crash landing on earth he would lie the humans who found him by saying that where he came from he was a hero.

[@JustJohn43]

Dude, im only 6 mins in and your video editing and presentation skills are top notch! If I may speculate as to why the Sonic CD soundtrack was changed for the US, I believe this was due to the association with Michael Jackson, as the soundtrack was heavily New Jack Swing (I know he wasnt involved with the soundtrack but it was around 1993 wasn't it?). Sonic R does not suck though :)

[@muffin8460]

It kinda sucks.

[@cirrus1286]

@@muffin8460 some songs are are bangers but others are well.. not too great but they'll become earworms.

[@donnie_duckling]

Just a quick correction!: it was Sonic 3 the one that had Jackson's and one of his closest collaborators, which I can't remember, involvement. Sonic CD OST was done by someone else!

[@spicygolf5885]

There were like 2 or 3 movie pitches for a sonic movie, one of them was made in 1995 which did its own thing, another movie pitch which was base on the Archie comics, and there were plans to make 2 more parts for sonic ova, recommend watching this video from pat mac ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWOWi3xpqqypb9k )

[@nonafier]

im pretty sure the sonic 1 prototype wasn't stolen i think sega just lost it i mean it 1990 im pretty sure no one would care about what a sonic is to actually steal it like it sonic 2

[@oshabot1646]

33:06 the legendary lemmings timestamp 33:43 batman taking a big dump

[@elliebee3520]

You sound like your soul progressively being drained throughout the video, but still great work & I’m now subscribed!

[@melhanlol]

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[@shadowfighter1234567]

oh boy, we sure needed another cynical, overly opinionated sonictuber! with peace and love, it just made the video cringy.

[@Cr102y]

In this world there are two types of people,people who think Sonic R’s soundtrack is good and people who are wrong.

[@FastbenSupremoo]

25:29 I unironically read "Sonic live in society". Had to pause to video and read it again to notice what was actually written

[@TheFatestPat]

There is some good news about the Sonic OVA soundtrack. Some fans managed to get the full version of "Look Alike," which had been lost for a long time.

[@kurichan355]

21:59 Might be referring to the various movie pitches for the scrapped sonic movie that was supposed to tie in with sonic xtreme. 26:10 Original Level Layout: Carnival Night (Night), Flying Battery (Night), Ice Cap (Night and with Act 1 starting with busted door of FBZ), Launch Base (Morning/Sunrise).

[@srbrant5391]

Could have _really_ gone without the jumpscares.

[@Money_Man55]

11:25 "この先は生かさないぞー” essentially, "beyond this point, you wont survive" "wahh, alligators!" "TAILS!"

[@ProGremlinPlayer]

Me and my homies on our way to pick up hoes on da sonic 06 bus

[@Strapper01]

no one talks about the Badniks (history, interesting facts, Easter eggs, etc).

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog Haters gonna hate, but Sonic Underground is really good

[@monique6490]

Only clicked into the vid because the "IT GOES DEEP" text wasn't in the thumbnail

[@PosthumanHeresy]

30:56 But it damn well can happen with a damaged copy of the Dreamcast game on Dreamcast. Personal experience.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

18:45 No, that's wrong! Sonic R's soundtrack is objectively some 90s fire.

[@saturnmunchies]

Great video but u can't be insulting Sonic Rs ost like that 😭

[@almond_22]

Doesn't OVA stand for "Only Videocassette Animation"?

[@EliaszekEN]

Tbh The super sonic racing track is FIRE!

[@shadshoodlum]

Screamers are not funny

[@hubster3055]

18:42 the bank is coming to repossess your organs

[@jaccblacc8424]

4:38 I believe this image of Tails from CD is supposed to be a reference of the Sonic manga, which marks the first appearance of Amy Rose and Charmy before any of the Sonic games.

[@JJPRODUCTDELUXE]

Sonic r is underrated I thought it was good

[@ECartmanist]

27:08 looks like the Russian flag

[@AustinDacious]

Everyone says sonic 3 has never been rereleased, but it was apart of the classic sonic 6 pack of games for the ds, where not only did we have sonic 3 but also sonic 3 and knuckles

[@buckkaczynski1027]

Sonic R more like sonic R!! NUTS

[@technokittyrainbowrave2928]

hot take on the sonic r soundtrack