Sonic Origins is Not Finished

[@livelongandtroll9108]

"This should've been an easy home run..." is Sega's whole career after the early 2000s.

[@mustangmckraken1150]

Minus Mania that they were kinda hands off for as far as I know lol

[@MrFusion]

I seriously don't know what the fuck is wrong with them. They have all the time in world, yet rush shit out every time.

[@alwaysangry2232]

sega knows there is not need to try

[@rhett8-u1n]

@@alwaysangry2232 This is pretty much the jist of it. SEGA knows Sonic will always make a profit.

[@livelongandtroll9108]

@@rhett8-u1n Are you sure? I remember they rivaling Nintendo in '90s. Today Nintendo sells 23m copies of Mario Odyssey + the hardware. Sega sells a fraction of this for their mainline Sonic games across all platforms.

[@LiamTriforce]

"Losing Ice Cap is really giving fans a hard time" Hah, I caught that. Also, great video.

[@supersaiyancommenter]

Heh I saw it immediately.

[@havenn_]

@@supersaiyancommenter lmao i got that the first time

[@pepsiman215]

was literally about to comment that thanks Liam

[@GabeMinecraftt]

If you don't know what he meant it's that ice cap sounds like the jetsson`s song "hard times"

[@iancesimp2514]

It's not our happiest days of our life.

[@BetweenTheLyons]

I feel bad for the team from HeadCannon that worked on this. They kept begging Sega for more time but were denied repeatedly. They have offered to fix many bugs and continue working on the game but it seems Sega doesn't care. It's no wonder they were reusing assets wherever possible considering how much time Sega gave them to port these mobile versions.

[@Jurihan4life]

Proof that Sega doesn't care about Sonic anymore.

[@mattmunn529]

Sega has been making bad decisions since the dreamcast

[@polocatfan]

actually they finished the game and sega intentionally made it worse according to stealth

[@sonicfan7421]

Sonic Boom all over again

[@sonicfan7421]

@Lucha Luca That still dose not change the fact that sega screwed with bigredbuttons original vision of a new and lore heavy take on sonic

[@TheOneAndOnLEE.]

8:27 “…but losing Ice Cap is really giving fans a hard time.” I see what you did there

[@TheLazzaroDude]

I get it, because of Ice Cap and Hard Times 😆

[@Fireblazer-ly3od]

Was about to comment this lol

[@Gokuorkakarot]

Hard times, happiest day of my life, hard times gone by!!!!!!

[@NathanDaws825]

I though this was a global warming joke lmao, took me a second to get the ACTUAL pun/joke 💀

[@distroya_]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that reference. 😄

[@SOFTDRINKTV]

I'm very impressed by this video's script. You somehow manage to sound upbeat and positive while criticizing a game, resulting in a nice vibe. This is something I've struggled with

[@generallyunimportant]

honestly i watch alot of ppl who sound upbeat and positive while criticizing something if you mean "mad asf" by "upbeat and positive"

[@Sykroid]

Yeah that stood out to me. He's very level-headed about everything and not just ranting or drawing conclusions. He gives credit where it's due, and it comes off as fair as a result

[@mattwo7]

@@Sykroid Giving due credit is easy enough in contrast to everything else frankly. Like how I actually _liked_ some episodes of Teen Titans Go. If I ever review any episodes from that show, they will probably be related to the song "The Night Begins to Shine" and maybe a few episodes from the first season, just because I have nothing to say about the rest of the show that I feel worth saying. Wonder whatever happened to that spinoff we were promised.

[@naahgol8608]

@@Sykroid if you know anything about him, he's been covering rotmg which has been in a constant decline for years so, it comes easy

[@S-fn3oe]

Not really

[@SomethingSimpler]

I'm convinced that Amy was supposed to be playable. All of the animations suggest that she was supposed to be there with the other playable characters. She would have also been a super interesting addition if they kept her Advance 1 mechanics.

[@GameAW1]

I feel kind of opposite honestly. She's only in the animations because she kind of has to be, being a part of the intended driving force for CD as a whole, being her kidnapping. Considering her role in her whole game was simply "Girl" though, there wasn't exactly a lot they could do while still requiring including her in animations. Would have been nice to include her though, especially for Sonic CD where she'd be able to get back at Metal Sonic herself.

[@kyotanaka920]

@@GameAW1 If her sole existence in the game was because she's in CD... Then there was no need to include her in the ending sequence, where her ONLY contribution was with Metal Sonic himself. Yet, there she is, running with Knuckles, and smashing shit with her Peko Hammer that she gets in the later games (which did NOT exist during CD days), which also never happened in CD. This implied that Amy was planned to be playable. It's weird to have a splash art of the heroes fighting Eggman's evil schemes with a side character *that doesn't fight at all*.

[@GameAW1]

@@kyotanaka920 She actually did have her hammer in the classic days. She first got it in Sonic the Fighters. And Amy is, despite her role in her home game, as iconic to CD as Metal Sonic, so she's pretty much a requirement. Plus she's literally the only good aligned character they could add to acknowledge CD's influence at all.

[@tyronesaddleback3890]

Fuck that. Amy was fuckin annoying to play as on Sonic Advance. I'm glad that annoying pink piece o shit wasn't added as a playable character.

[@the-point-bearer6689]

I think someone meant that she doesn't even have it in CD by itself, as Sonic the Fighters is a spinoff meaning that she's not meant to be a fighter originally.

[@DesignDoc]

Cutscenes can be skipped but you gotta press the B button for some reason.

[@setsers1]

Huh. Neat

[@ultraninja_20]

That's kinda stupid tho, why is it mapped to B when other video games lets you skip cutscenes when you press the 'Start' button.

[@bickuribox12]

Seems I mashed every button EXCEPT the right one. Thanks for clearing that up haha

[@someoneidkwho313]

@@ultraninja_20 I can do that!

[@someoneidkwho313]

@@ultraninja_20 but only for The Switch. If your PC, Xbox or PS5. I’m Sorry

[@mobius8448]

It's insane how, when you compare this to Sonic Mega Collection, how much more love there seems to be in the Mega Collection than here. Attention to details, etc. It's just. . .odd how lack luster Origins is. I agree 100% with bickuribox12 in that it's a good entry point for people to play the games (or again), and I certainly enjoyed playing through them, but the museum, the lack of options, and so on, just made the experience shallow and surreal in a way.

[@T_Dude]

SEGA really can’t stop being its own worst enemy, huh?

[@themindfulmoron3790]

Forget Mega Collection, what about Sonic Jam? Still easily the best Sonic collection ever made, it even had difficulty modes that changed the entire level layouts to be more forgiving and, crazy as it sounds, actually let you customize your experience or choose the original completely unaltered. It was also made by the original Sonic Team, so all of the changes and additions were actually given a lot of thought and care. And unlike Mega Collection which was just emulation of a bunch of unaltered roms of the games, Sonic Jam's games were actually ported directly to the Saturn hardware. That's not even mentioning Sonic World. Yeah, Origins was nothing compared to Mega Collection, but neither of them even remotely compare to Jam.

[@TheDMan2003]

@@themindfulmoron3790What’s funny is that in theory, this could’ve been a modernized Sonic Jam in a way, but… it just wasn’t.

[@sparksshepherd3313]

Also, a thing that upsets me the most is the whole "New Playable Characters" and what's depicted in the new animations. In the final animation Amy is shown as someone capable of using her hammer to destroy spike pits and enemies keeping up with Knuckles, yet she's not even unlockable. It would've been such a nice and welcome addition, yet here we are.

[@hudsonk1racer]

Worst part is that all of the games have had her rom hacked in at this point, It's not like the blueprint wasn't there.

[@SakuraAvalon]

Perhaps she was intended. But the unforgiving deadline made them scrap her.

[@recruit7416]

" new playable characters" is just knuckles and tails in sonic 2 :/

[@tripleclickswifty3823]

Sega hates classic Amy and the Advance games

[@the757general2]

@@recruit7416 and Sonic 1

[@ShockInazuma]

What confused me oddly is the ending cutscene of this game makes me feel like Amy WAS supposed to be playable, but as you said, Sega… Sega. Also, I found out in Sonic 2, if you get 50 rings, complete a special stage, then restart the act… you can go into that same checkpoint and get another chaos emerald. Meaning you can get all emeralds as early as THE FIRST ACT OF EMERALD HILL ZONE.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

And it makes me feel like that Mania only having STK excluding dlc and nobody saying crap about that was a stinkin joke. Tell me you think its only bad if Sega doesnt do it without telling you think its only bad if Sega doesnt do it

[@arzfan29]

You could always get them all on act 1, just go between 2 checkpoints repeatedly

[@cullbear55]

@@arzfan29 No you couldn't. On the original Genesis version at least, there's only three checkpoints in Act 1 and four checkpoints in Act 2 to get all 7 emeralds by the end of Emerald Hill. This version messes it up because the reset has an oversight of wiping checkpoints even though they may have already been hit by the player but keeps any emeralds collected, so you can farm more than 3 emeralds in Act 1 which you're not supposed to do.

[@MisterVercetti]

@@cullbear55 Actually, EHZ2 has _five_ checkpoints. So not only can you easily get all seven before you even reach Chemical Plant, you've actually got room to fail one of them and still get it done. Granted, Sonic 3 isn't much better, considering how, with Sonic and Tails, you can get all 7 Chaos Emeralds before you're finished with Hydrocity Act 2, and all seven Super Emeralds before you've even left Mushroom Hill. Still, I suppose it's better than 1 and CD where you only get _one chance per Act._

[@waspennator]

If its anything like the mess Colors Ultimate was, then I'm guessing SEGA was only willing to shell out the bare minimum to port the mobile versions of the game to pc and consoles and add in a few pretty cutscenes. Just seems to be a trend with companies trying to cut corners with remasters here and there

[@fruitpun6h]

Sonic not shouting “yes” while getting an extra life makes this unbuyable Edit: y’all I just bought the game

[@kinggalactix]

True dat!

[@JonyPlayz1]

Lol

[@setsers1]

😠Good god, did they really fuck it up that much?😟

[@followerofbunnys9858]

@@setsers1 yes

[@3godzilla3]

The second I didn't hear Amy's voice, I was like, "Yeah, no, refund." Makes zero sense

[@BlueFizzle1]

8:12 -- Your absolutely raw delivery of *"TURN IT OFF"* has been living rent free in my head for a good while now

[@kimgkomg]

I think the biggest problem with this game is that pricetags set expectations. If it were 15 dollars than sure this is fine. If you're spending that much for a few games from the 90's, you expect it to be perfect

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

Price tag is definitely a problem, but I think the biggest problem is the lack of choice players are given here. There's no reason for 'Anniversary' and 'Classic mode' to be seperate, static things. You should be able to toggle between widescreen and 4:3, customise which abilities Sonic has (Like you could in Mania and the Switch versions of 1 and 2) and choose whether to play with lives or for coins. Instead it's 'Play the game in mode A or mode B' and with the capabilities they have to add more fluent options, and that they've already done so in previous re-releases, it's just not good enough. Especially after removing alternate versions from store fronts, which is just plain despicable

[@bickuribox12]

I find this to be a bigger problem with the industry as a whole because the price of a game almost never correlates to how fun it is (since that’s subjective). It’s always based on its budget and amount of content (values that can be objectively measured). This gives people the impression that games can be mediocre so long as they aren’t expensive, but really, the price is the one thing that has nothing to do with the game at all. If it’s not fun to play or has problems, etc. then it shouldn’t matter if it’s cheap or free, your experience was still the same and could’ve been better. So even if Origins was “priced accordingly”, my feelings towards it would be nearly unchanged. But I agree, a lot of people would probably be a lot easier on it if it was around $15 instead.

[@madokalover]

especially since u can get th same kind of thing by playing a bunch of free romhacks

[@mustangmckraken1150]

@bickuribox12 The only reason prices don't correlate with the content a game has is because studios don't budget correctly and just push it off onto the consumer...which isn't okay. The fact that a group of 3 or 4 people can make a $20 game that is objectively better than a $60 release of the same genre (looking at you, Metroid) doesn't give the studio a good excuse to charge $60. Stop pushing mismanagement off onto the consumer.

[@right_hand_power7960]

Yeah, if this isn't going to eventually have a physical release, I'll just wait for the next digital sale. $40-ish is not reasonable for a compilation of essentially 4 already -completed remakes that were just copy-pasted to be ready in time. Examples including the inconsistencies in these games' engines, as this video discussed, resulting in interrupted movement, smeary textures, and the drop dash issues that only exist because the devs didn't completely modify the base, which was made for touch-control devices. Additionally, it wouldn't be so terrible, if Sega were to listen to their fans, and say a patch is coming, or say, "We understand the game has issues. We are promptly working on a free patch. Thanks for supporting us!". I'm very convinced Sega just wanted to get Origins out the door, and done with, never to be bothered with again. They could then totally focus the remainder of 2022 on Frontier. I really have a hard time believing Sega doesn't hate the Genesis/Game Gear/32X Sonic titles, because they seem to treat the 3d titles as the favored children. This is despite the fact, most 3d Sonic titles are notoriously glitchy, and all-around hit-or-miss.

[@ethon3733]

"Mods have already fixed this" It really goes to show how Sega doesn't even *try* to figure out what we want, so we have to tell them ourselves

[@JulioRedCosplay]

Or even worse, it took modders 1 day to fix those things. Just shows how rushed it was.

[@AutZentus]

Sega has never been smart with their decision making. Sega japan is especially tone deaf on what we want out of sonic. They're the reason that this collection feels as incomplete as sonic genesis and sonic 06, two games from 16 years ago. You'd think sega would be smart enough to not make the same mistake again since that is what nearly killed sonic but no they seem to have forgotten.

[@Fi___]

@gizmo I mean, yeah, but that was way after this video, and this comment.

[@tyronesaddleback3890]

And not pay them anything for their work.

[@XperimentorEES]

At least sega supports modding, unlike nintendo.

[@bruh-qx1qi]

I genuinely want to slap everyone at sega and give them a wake up call, this is ridiculous. All because they NEEDED it out on sonics anniversary. If origins got a little more time in development, and if the developers didn’t make everything locked behind a stupid ass paywall, we could have had a gem on our hands. Give it up for SEGA everyone!!!

[@qua_xor3348]

Like cmon. Atleast it ain’t 3d all stars.

[@CasiniLoogi]

@@qua_xor3348 3d all stars is bad, but at least they're the definitive way to play sunshine and galaxy. Sonic 3 is the only reason you'd get origins, sonic 1 & 2's mobile versions have been ported to pc, along with the mobile release of cd ironically, so you can still play that version (because haha funny delist sonic cd!). And even then, sonic 3 A.I.R. exists, and that doesn't have some of the glaring issues in origins like the DAMN SUPER EMERALD RESET BUG.

[@KingStr0ng]

Sega always ruins and butchers every Sonic game before a Sonic anniversary. It's so embarrassing. 🤦‍♀️

[@KingStr0ng]

This type of laziness showcases why Sega almost went out of business tbh.

[@EVRNightmare]

Lets all hope sonic frontiers ain't the same

[@brodiero-solar302]

5:25 And thus, playable Amy was added into Sonic Origins Plus.

[@rocketbetanetwork25]

Sega Didn't Add Playable Amy In Sonic 1&2 (2013) Mobile tho

[@Ijustspammedafewletterslol]

​@@rocketbetanetwork25That isn't the point

[@LostSoulSilver]

It's incredible that EVEN TO THIS DAY sega still goes out of their way to make things worse for no reason

[@PartnershipsForYou]

Bethesda be like

[@Deltanium2080]

*They had us in the first half*

[@LostSoulSilver]

@@Deltanium2080 They had me with Origins, but not with Frontiers. Remember my words

[@darkwolfzain]

Look at Phantasy Star New Genesis

[@spacebassist]

@@LostSoulSilver honestly I've been feeling the same too, I'm not a turbo sonic fan but the early footage we got and the fact that this was bungled makes me expect it to be another forces The dev team got screwed super hard too but I think that's common knowledge. I've not kept up if my outlook doesn't imply that, lmao

[@larhyperhair]

Imagine having the best, most hardworking sonic fans at your disposal, the guys gals and others who made one of your best games to DATE, and you treat them like shit to rush some ports of their favorite retro games. For shame Sega.

[@0utrunner237]

Imagine having all this knowledge of the situation and still rushing out to buy these games. Sega will continue to do this because they know fans foam at the mouth from anything with the word Sonic in it.

[@tyronesaddleback3890]

It's all Whitehead and crews fault. They had how many years to fix all the crap they did wrong. But no. They whine and cry cause they "weren't allowed to fix it" . Pathetic idiots. Sega should force their asses to do the fixes and not pay them for it. Cause fuck Whitehead and crew for making such shitty remasters.

[@LAST_STAND_FAN]

>"Guys, gals, and others" Lol. Lmao.

[@blur3611]

@@LAST_STAND_FAN cope

[@jeremiahwilliams8623]

@@LAST_STAND_FAN I found the 4chan user

[@SuperLuigiSixty4]

The bug that bothers me the most so far is Tails not de-spawning when off screen in Sonic 2, and having to listen to him jump until something kills him or loading the boss culls the rest of the stage. Especially since story mode locks you into Sonic & Tails mode.

[@gev8329]

That’s definitely what annoys me the most too, eventually i found that repeatedly calling Tails to come and carry Sonic was the only way I could get him back on the screen without enduring jump noises the whole level lol

[@Jonjooooo]

Here's another great Tails glitch in Sonic 2: if you break open a capsule and then make Tails fly, so that he starts to run out of flying energy just as the screen fades to black and the next level begins, his flying sound effect will play in the background for the whole game.

[@Magic0neGaming]

ESPECIALLY since it's a fucking $40+ remaster...like "we remastered it!" Bullshit! At least give the games some polish...smh...

[@B-Side.72]

???? You can play Sonic 2 on Origins without Tails lmao

[@SuperLuigiSixty4]

@@B-Side.72 Not in story mode, as I say in the comment.

[@OnionSprite]

"It had promised to be the definitive version of sonic's classic titles wrapped in a convinient package for modern audiences" "It had promised to be the definitive version of grand theft auto's classic titles wrapped in a convinient package for modern audiences"

[@Num1MarioFan]

The fact that they didn't make a classic knuckles to put on S3&K island is unacceptable.

[@henryapplebottom7231]

Wait! He's NOT THERE!?!?! Not even the eyes in bushes from cover?

[@Num1MarioFan]

@@henryapplebottom7231 No.

[@b-mansly7550]

If I had a nickel for every time Sega released a game without it being necessarily done or to the satisfaction of fans, I'd have at least a couple rolls of nickels.

[@brunocampos8640]

I think the Ryu Ga Gotoku studio, is the only Sega propety that releases finished games without any day 1 issues

[@b-mansly7550]

@@brunocampos8640 i agree, RGG are definitely one of (if not the only) studio at Sega that actually makes games of quality. Every now and then Sega will drop something cool but most of the time its a pretty safe bet that theyll make a banger

[@SoraKyofu]

@@brunocampos8640 RGG studios does some good stuff for sure, they did have some issues on the 3 to 5 ports though. Stuff that made game breaking AIs though, they did patches a few things here and there however. But yeah, the team behind them are really good on quality!

[@JoshRiolu]

If you had a dollar for every time any company did this, you'd probably be making more than minimum wage.

[@CastejonGarciaGonzalo]

ñ

[@TheInternetIsDeadToMe]

“I was all ready to jam out to Sonic Boom when I slammed, head first, into a cold, corporate silence”. Can we all just take the time to appreciate that line. 😂

[@Man_Aslume]

Also TURN IT O-

[@thymecrafter]

that’s my experience with sonic boom even though it has nothing to do it’s it

[@matthewisguy7336]

@@Man_Aslume 8:12

[@GUNUFofficial]

WELCOME TO SONIC TEAM, WE MAKE GAMES I THINK?

[@matthewisguy7336]

Dr Robotnik NO!

[@SilviaFoxtrisPriv]

A quick little thing I will say is that you CAN skip cutscenes... but its mapped to the B Button for some reason.

[@DeltaZard123]

Was gonna say the same thing lol. I knew they wouldn't make you watch the cutscenes every playthrough so I tested it on the intro and just spammed buttons until it skipped lol

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Did they just keep the control configuration from the Switch version over into Xinput? Or is on A on the switch too?

[@jadenpadin4707]

I can skip cutscenes when i press plus

[@HeadacheCentral]

@@RAFMnBgaming It's B to skip FMVs in the Switch version.

[@Josuh]

that's both funny and mischievous

[@thestabbybrit4798]

Seems a lot of people are unaware of this, but there are extra options in the cheat screens. By performing the level select on Sonic 1 you CAN play as Sonic & Tails, as well as adding Sonic 3 powerups to the game and adding a 7th Chaos Emerald (with a truly frustrating bonus stage!) However, we really should not have to use a level select to get these options... And I haven't checked the other games yet.

[@Dresfvae]

This isn’t news you could do this in the 2013 remaster which makes me not want to play this at all since I have all 4 of these games on my phone

[@generallyunimportant]

fucking genius of sega to rerelease a remake again. (a true sadx momnent)

[@pass_]

why remove features from a remaster from 9 years earlier

[@mustangmckraken1150]

@Dre Tell me about it, I still have all of these games in cartridge form and my Genesis, all of which you can get for roughly the same price this asks for...I don't understand why anyone bought this collection unless they don't have the TV to play it on. Odds are you can also bluetooth a controller to your phone and get a cable to do HDMI out on your phone for less than $10...why does this exist lol

[@Dresfvae]

@@mustangmckraken1150 you can still play all these games through emulation on pc or even just downloaded rom hacks which adds more features than any of these games. I think the problem is the timing and how they previously did rereleases. 1 and 2 have been rereleased so many times now to the point where it doesn’t feel special. 3 is the only one I considered getting this collection for but then I saw the problems and didn’t buy it. Sonic 3 AIR is the superior version of it and the pricing is too high for 4 Genesis games that can be played anywhere

[@spence8507]

I got to say it feels like Amy was supposed to be playable considering she was on the box art and she was in the final animated cutscene.

[@DemonDethchase]

Once again it falls to fans to do what Sega don't, just as it was with her absence in Mania.

[@Zer0mega64]

Yeah same here. It bothers me to no end that she is not playable, despite being represented so much in the collection. The box art, intro and outro video really seem to be hinting that alongside Sonic, Tails and Knuckles, she's playable as well.

[@skullerclawerbandicoot7966]

You do realize Amy was there cuz of CD right? And Mania (fan made game) had STK excluding DLC yet you dont say crap about that? Gtho with "Origins bad for not having Amy and Mania good with only STK at launch" bullcrap

[@Zer0mega64]

Amy really seems to be portrayed in Origins as if she was supposed to be playable, which she isn't and that fact bothers me. The thought of being able to play through these games as Amy sounds really cool, and it would add more value in the collection. For example in the Origins outro cutscene you can see Amy fighting against baddies with her hammer alongside Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. This made it seem like all 4 were playable, but no. It feels like such a tease.

[@oliverlam6072]

I agree. The marketing even mentioned "new playable characters" but they were probably just talking about playing as tails and Knuckles in sonic 1 and Knuckles in sonic 2.

[@MseryXLII]

“Losing ice cap is a hard time” I see what you did there.

[@salsathemonkey22]

Between Colors and this its amazing how Sega can fuck up the absolute safest Sonic projects

[@AtelierRobu]

I know it's really nitpicky, but the thing that bothered me the most was honestly the single motion from start to electric shield in Marble Garden 1. Hitting a ceiling pillar in the new version made me just go "oh" when it happened. Especially because it's one of my favourite zones from Sonic 3.

[@dreamareakoso3791]

hol' up, Marble Garden Zone fans exist?

[@MHzJr]

@@dreamareakoso3791 yes, i like it

[@davidfodre1375]

Sonic 3 A.I.R. feels more accurate to Sonic 3 than this bugfest. You should give that a whirl instead. You also get the original OST (emulated from the original game's ROM), the same OST remastered, Original Sonic 3 music (miniboss, Knuckles' theme and main menu music), achievements, and the actual beta music, on top of the drop dash and super peel-out, extended camera. I could go on, but the list is so long it's not even funny. You're gonna spend an hour or so in the settings

[@liamsschizobreakdowns]

I despise Marble Garden, not because of its premise, or obstacles, but its weird verticality.

[@luginess0]

@@davidfodre1375 I have for the past two years

[@homeworkatemydog]

One thing I wanna add to the topic brought up at around 10:53 is that the movement locking when jumping out of a Spin Dash or ball was actually also in the original Sonic 1, 2, and 3&K as well and not exclusive to the mobile ports, which means SEGA put the Drop Dash into these games without taking the original mechanics into account. It would’ve been an easy fix too. Just have it to where your movement unlocks when you use it, which is something the Insta-Shield already does in the case of 3&K. It just comes off as SEGA slapped the Drop Dash onto S1 and 2 without much afterthought.

[@zebitus5731]

Mods have fixed it on pc

[@Vxllyb4ll]

Thank god im not the only one who noticed the movement locking

[@Vxllyb4ll]

For me i have issues with sometimes the lightning shield sometimes doesn’t double jump.

[@blackdot105]

@@zebitus5731 Thing is, mods shouldn't be needed.

[@dizzydee4889]

@@zebitus5731 only this makes all the console versions garbage in comparison.

[@NisYT]

So glad you’re finally getting the props you deserve and I think this is only the start been watching you for years now. Keep this up!!!

[@SilverSpireZ]

It’s really sad how this turned out, because without the bugs, I’d say this is easily worth the price of admission. But man, this was so clearly rushed. It’s sad that SEGA has learned nothing from how this business practice nearly killed the franchise in the past.

[@youguyssuck7595]

True

[@setsers1]

This is bullshit...Do better, Sega. Wtf?

[@Alejandro333777]

Rushed oh shut up this would’ve came out a year ago rushed my ass

[@fedexnagant1422]

Why does SEGA always rush their games? They make them less interesting.

[@crosssans6133]

@@fedexnagant1422 the 06 syndrome unfortunately is still a thing

[@fireflocs]

Okay, Sega, here's how to make an excellent Sonic compilation release in the modern day: Just release Mega Collection Plus and Gems Collection as a single purchase that people can make on modern systems. And launching it just opens a menu that lets you pick 'Mega Collection Plus' or 'Gems Collection', and then boots up whichever you picked. That's it. You don't have to do anything else. You could even charge full price for it and have paid DLC, because that would still be a good deal for the amount of games on offer.

[@michaelp545]

I agree with this. Especially since Sonic Origins was such a poor collection.

[@the-point-bearer6689]

Yeah... but Sega of Japan is extraordinarily obstinate so unless they should put aside their differences, nothing is going to move forward.

[@airfoemoe]

No, just fix this one. Those are just emulated versions. If anything they should port Sonic Jam.

[@HOTD108_]

@@airfoemoe Emulated versions are faithful to the original experience, unlike Origins which has a bunch of jank changes. I'd prefer the former.

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

@@the-point-bearer6689 It's been 31 years by now-

[@ExceedRed]

There’s not a better combination than a passionate dev team ready to make a great Sonic Game and SEGA rushing it to increase their stocks

[@BlitzDinkabooming]

@tdenzel101 sega does what nintendoes

[@FunnyParadox]

@tdenzel101 Because they actually stopped doing that for a bit so we had hope it wasn't just a phase!!!!

[@FunnyParadox]

@tdenzel101 During the Mania period, when they started to listen to fans and even delayed it to make sure the team has enough time and etc... with many cool project made by people loving the series, so i was like "they learnt their lesson" but they got way too much confident and done this mistake again

[@grylltheonion]

@tdenzel101 🤡

[@generallyunimportant]

guys, am i the only one who cant understand what @tdenzel101 is on about?

[@David-jw1zh]

Sonic Mega Collection is better than this..

[@Sonic.eyxhsa]

True tho

[@kingbash6466]

It’s so strange that Sega has been constantly screwing up Sonic ports nowadays. Especially the classics. They did it right with Sonic Jam and Mega Collection, why is it so hard to make a rerelease worth the price of admission?

[@Capydapy]

Nowadays ? They've been doing since Sonic GBA and that was back in 2006 ;-;

[@waspennator]

That would require time and money, much easier to just rush a hack job remaster out the door with minimal changes and force everyone to buy it by nuking any other way of getting games digitally out of existence

[@kingbash6466]

@@Capydapy I did forget about Sonic Genesis. Could you really blame me though? It’s Sonic Genesis.

[@colburnrescores6654]

@@michaelc.8712 actually the games in Jam were Ported, not emulated. So they had rebuilt the games from the ground up for Jam as well

[@oshabot1646]

Hell even the DS one was right

[@Sparkys_World-0]

The ending for Sonic CD was originally sped up for Sonic Jam, as a sneaky way of combining both the good ending and the bad ending animations without outlasting the music. Through some cartoonish level of incompetence, this somehow found its way into Sonic Origins, totally destroying the intended tone and pace of the final scene. The animation is so clearly overclocked that I can’t imagine how SEGA didn’t rectify this. While I’m hopeful that a few patches could iron certain issues out, others seem to be actual choices SEGA made, like removing all of CD’s voice clips and hiding features in the debug menus. The fact they even removed the level select features from the iOS ports tells me that SEGA had no interest in matching Christian Whitehead’s level of quality and attention to detail. But what else is new.

[@someoneidkwho313]

Wow Thank you for JUST BEING WIKIPEDIA.

[@someoneidkwho313]

Plus Sonic CD was Not in Sonic Jam. Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles was There. But a Japanese TV AD for Sonic CD was there… Look like Sonic Team Didn’t Know About Copyright. PSP and PSV is dumb. They Banned Sonic 3. Yeah. BUT THEY DID THAT WITH SONIC AND KNUCKLES EVEN THO THERE WAS NO COPYRIGHT. Some how I got Sonic 3 and Sonic And Knuckles in My Xbox 360 BEFORE SEGA delisted the Games Too! Free Money! kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4SslIqBeruEf9k That was a rick roll. HOW ARE YOU STILL READING THIS OKAY THAT IS IT kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6TXeoaFqdl2h5I

[@Jayesbe]

@@someoneidkwho313 Umm what? They don't sound like Wikipedia in the slightest

[@heyoyo10gaming4]

@@someoneidkwho313 2 "Paragraphs" (Literally 6 sentences) == Wikipedia article apparently

[@jeremyabbott4537]

it really upset me, because the whole pacing of "Cosmic Eternity" was ruined by it. you had the gentle mystical tones opening while Little Planet started returning to normal, and you had Sonic completely destroy Eggman with a rock right when the other instruments were kicking in. With all the credits this version has, there is no reason to not have it at normal speed.

[@spence8507]

They also changed one of the best things from the Sonic 2 mobile port. In Air Base Zone you don't die from the 2 launchers after the platform section. You just get hopped to the other platform. In origins though they brought the terrible cheap death back.

[@glaciatedblaze7663]

Wait really? I wasn't able to die at that section unless u was holding away from the platform

[@Tom-jw7ii]

They must have added the airspeed cap back in, then.

[@kellenwong1321]

It's called Wing Fortress Zone.

[@FionnH]

That’s not even the worst. They removed proto palace

[@jokx4409]

@@FionnH proto palace? what's that? You sure you don't mean hidden palace? That's still in the game.

[@thebandboy]

to me sonic origins would've been PERFECT if they used the mania engine for all games in anniversary mode, added knuckles into ALL games, used the OG verions for classic mode, had the same music from s3&k, and added knuckles chaotix. keep all the game modes they have. I wouldve played that sh*t till i died. i knoew it seems like a lot but damn they've had A LOT of time to work on this one. im hoping there can be a small 3d compilation like mario 3d all stars...hopefully containing sonic 3d blast, sonic adventure and sonic adventure 2...i think that'd be the most realistic trio, i would play that sh*t till i die too.

[@mazkeraid4039]

They already used Retro Engine for Origins, and for graphics, it was using Hedgehog Engine 2.

[@Alejandro333777]

Knuckles is playable in all games now

[@helmenhjelmen1955]

​​@@Alejandro333777 not in CD a If you have watched the video would you know this as it is mentioned at 5:05

[@Yan23459]

They used mania engine

[@RandomGreenKirb]

​@@mazkeraid4039maybe the fact that game is using 2 engines at once is why it turned out a disaster

[@AJ_hwd954]

How is it that a 16-bit 4 game collection from the early 90s managed to end up as another rush job by Sega and Sonic team?! Astounding. If they couldn’t even get this right, I have little to no faith in Frontiers

[@EDifyer881]

let's face it sega just doesn't have it anymore lol

[@Squishito]

@@EDifyer881 They haven't had it since the early 2000s.

[@EDifyer881]

@@Squishito and after sega decided to stop making consoles and start making games for its competitors, sonic games have been hit or miss

[@b3ans4eva]

Sonic Team didn’t work on this. It was tackled by two different developers & Sega with little to no communication between everyone. If you read what Stealth wrote on Twitter about the bugs, they had a really strict deadline to adhere to, there was issues adapting the Retro Engine for Sonic 3&K and most of the bugs that showed up came from the other developer when they were integrating their code into what they were working on. Like what was said on the video, it should have been a home run but too many cooks spoiled the broth.

[@EDifyer881]

@@b3ans4eva either way no matter who worked on it sega and team sonic have both lost their touch when it comes to sonic and yes you're right there's too many chefs and not enough cooks this unfortunately has been going on for just about 30 years with sega

[@Optimus97]

"Losing "Ice Cap" is really giving fans a hard time" I see what you did there.

[@TheFlenen]

I wonder how many other people saw what he did there too

[@Optimus97]

@@TheFlenen Liam Triforce's more popular comment is the evidence how many :)

[@someoneelse4811]

I don't get how Sega manages to fail at everything. You'd think after getting poor reception on 5 unfinished games in a row, they might try harder to make something beyond mediocre.

[@AlexFiliUK]

This was a really insightful video and honestly it definitely pays to wait for a few patches before digging into this one. It's a shame it couldn't have been a perfect release from Sega, especially at that price point. It is eye-wateringly high given today's financial markets around the world. Still, good effort from the developers to try their best to make the experience a good one. I look forward to getting it when it's on sale.

[@thedoctordb5765]

I think it's really telling that they removed other versions of the game to force newcomers into this one. Almost like they're admitting this isn't a big enough deal to make you decide to go for it compared to the originals. But toggle options for everything and proper save states should've been included as a bare minimum. Other than that I just think it's a shame it wasn't a physical collection. I thought the initial announcement was such a big deal because it'd be the first physical release in a long time, not JUST because they were releasing Sonic3&K again. And while that's certainly the best version of the game, it's odd they don't let you play them separately like in prior collections. I wonder if that's because of MJ's involvement with Sonic 3's standalone credits. But hey, Sonic Colors Ultimate didn't even add a toggle for the soundtrack until well-after I 100% completed the game--I didn't even know they added that until recently. So between that and what happened with Mania Plus, I feel good about holding out for a physical release down the line that will fix and address many of the complaints.

[@mcloughlinguy4127]

what happened with sonic mania plus?

[@thedoctordb5765]

@@mcloughlinguy4127 I'm just referring to how Sonic Mania launched as a digital-only title but eventually got a physical release with bonus content. Sorry if the wording was confusing

[@TDFAL]

Literally did the same thing rock star did by removing the older games from being purchased and can only play the new stuff

[@TDFAL]

@Chainmaster34 all they had to do was port the classics over and not change anything but maybe update the graphics

[@mustangmckraken1150]

@TheDoctor DB Physical releases are incredibly expensive for studios and have even put a few under (this is why Glover 2 never released) They weren't sure the numbers would justify the cost of a physical release, which is why we didn't get one until down the road. They weren't trying to screw anyone over

[@StardustWhip]

To be entirely honest, I was actually looking forward to playing Sonic 3 with versions of the prototype music. Carnival Night especially is a case where I actually _preferred_ the prototype music to the final version. But these adaptations they had Jun Senoue do are just plain worse than the songs in the prototype. Carnival Night, my favorite prototype song, is now my _least_ favorite song in the entire Sonic 3 soundtrack. And it just left me wishing they would've just used the prototype songs as they were.

[@MapleMilk]

"Should've been an easy home run" seems like the most common phrase in gaming now. Nobody can do the polish, anymore. Everyone is doing average work. What happened to competition? Why is corporate meddling even MORE common than it used to be? Why is a sonic rerelease so hard for Sega to figure out???

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

Literally this and more...what ever happened to just making a good game day 1 and moving on, making SOME MONEY and being satisfied and objectively successful with that? Why is greed so rampant these days?

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

It's due to the gaming industry being flooded with children, normies, casuals and youtubers.

[@thefriendlyallay]

@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 because now money is everything.

[@Emu-]

"Nobody can do polish anymore"? what?

[@DedlyAidan]

capitalism, the answer is capitalism. the workers are underpaid and overworked by big boss that does literally nothing and gets mountains of money. we can have band-aid solutions by forcing reform, but the only true way to fix these issues is to abolish the exploitative system.

[@antonioperezdetudelabayona7099]

i have no idea why, but hearing your voice just makes feel soothed.

[@shyguygaming5397]

A bug I hope never gets patched out is in the boss rush. If you lose all your lives, hit no when it asks you to retry, then hit continue on the main menu you will be at the boss that you lost your last life to. Essentially giving you unlimited lives. This was the only way I could beat the boss rush mode for each game.

[@warv6552]

Well that just seems kind of counterintuitive to what the mode was designed for. Boss rush with unlimited lives just removes the challenge in it.

[@curlybrace4984]

@@warv6552 Well don't take advantage of it then. Honest to god whenever someone complains that a game is too easy or that something is gamebreakingly broken it mesmerizes me that they can never come to the conclusion that they don't _have_ to use it.

[@AGGSab]

@@curlybrace4984 he never said he was going to use it. He just said it’s counterintuitive which is objective truth. And he didn’t even insult the guy for his skill he just kept it moving

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@curlybrace4984 WAAAAH I PAID 40 DOLLARS FOR TRASH AND CAN'T ADMIT THERE'S BAFFLINGLY STUPID GLITCHES IN MY GARBAGE PRODUCT

[@curlybrace4984]

@@thatitalianlameguy2235 Pokemon community moment

[@sirgouki6207]

The guys behind the game have acknowledged that there were problems, they even told SEGA the version they submitted was not ready to release, SEGA refused to let them fix it. Headcannon even stated that most of the bugs people are complaining about aren't even the ones they knew about. I'm pretty sure this is happening because Chris Whitehead's team beat the ever living shit out of SEGA when Sonic Mania came out with Forces, and Mania was gold but Forces tanked. Now, they're pissed off and trying to make Headcannon look like shit. SEGA's starting to look worse than Nintendo at this point.

[@mredbadger]

I don’t think it’s got anything to do with spite. It’s just that just like with Colours Ultimate, Sega wanted a Sonic game to drop while the movie’s success was fresh in people’s minds. Expect this to happen again a few months after Sonic 3 drops

[@generallyunimportant]

sega does what nintendon't?..

[@wayfarer13]

Sega is like that gif of the boy on the bike putting a stick in his own tire. And then they do it over and over and over… and over

[@littlegoblinman221]

I thought a company's goal was to make money?

[@kimgkomg]

No, probably just greed. It's always greed

[@TheZeroNeonix]

One thing I never see mentioned is Sonic 3 & Knuckles' new sprites. They actually made new sprites for the game. For example, in the original, Super Sonic shared a few sprites with normal Sonic, just with a yellow color pallet. Here, Super Sonic never reuses normal Sonic's sprites. The new sprites fit the original style so well, most don't even notice them there.

[@M64bros]

Who came back here after the Sonic Origins plus announcement?

[@diegog1853]

Delisting the games separately is the only think I consider unacceptable. I think it goes against what sega has build for the last few years, making sonic and their genesis library as accesible as possible. I am truly starting to hate the practice of selling retro games exclusively in bundles. Bundles are supposed to be a way of paying less money by buying multiple things at once. Imagine if other mediums worked like that, if you could only buy toy story 2 if you buy all four movies together. It is bizarre that classic mode runs on the new engines, sega has already developed multiple sega genesis emulatores, they should've been just the roms with save states enabled. I mean if you are not allowing you to mix and match between classic and anniversary, at list they could have offer the true classic experience I actually like the addition of coins, getting currency by playing retro games and then spending that currency in a store is I think a good risk reward system that can replace lives to some extent. I hate games replacing lives all together ignoring all the components of the games that contributed to the lives system, like rings, live boxes and lives as a reward for exploration and risks.

[@generallyunimportant]

cave story pfp momnent

[@diegog1853]

@@generallyunimportant Acknowledged, here is your stamp. Ten more and you will gain your place on heaven. Thank you for enjoying your cave story pfp moment with us, come back soon.

[@SpitzThe]

Something similar to this happened with the old GTA games, rockstar delisted the games featured in GTA definitive edition, meaning that you were forced to buy definitive to play the old games unless you already had them.

[@diegog1853]

@@SpitzThe Yeah... It is so dumb, and many times I've wanted to play just one game in a series or I own every game except for that single one. But then they release them like this... exclusively in a bundle with a inflated price

[@aliciafraser1835]

I really, REALLY wish companies would stop delisting games when they make remasters or compilations like this. They're almost always WAY worse then the originals. Or, (In the case of FF repixal at least) are the worst version of the games in general.

[@modernwarfare3fan309]

You hate the pixel remasters that much?

[@Psx806]

I mean it’s just giving us justification to pirate but that’s wrong so we shouldn’t do that

[@mikec5400]

@@modernwarfare3fan309 no he just wants to cry about something

[@notdwaddler2013]

@@modernwarfare3fan309 It isn't hate. It cuts people off from legally purchasing an older, yet competent version at a decent price instead of an unpolished remaster at a bloated price in comparison.

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

@@modernwarfare3fan309 I have a personal vendetta against that game, it's downright offensive what they did to the pixel art.

[@DemonDethchase]

Isn't it not amazing how a collection from 1997, Sonic Jam, has more room for tweaking the game to how the player wants than a collection from 2022. Like it doesn't rope you into playing it this one way, and ONLY this one way to get all the bells and whistles, as it allowed you to turn on or off the Spin Dash from Sonic 1 turn off the time limit from Sonic 1-3&K change the difficulty setting from Easy, Normal (basically the Anniversary mode) or Original (as the game was originally released) And you mix and match with the various settings to however you want, even while playing in Original. And these things couldn't be added into Origins because...? Also with the removal of Sonic talking in CD, I can't help but wonder if they're trying to rewrite history. "Oh, don't you know! Sonic NEVER spoke back then!" To fit in with what they have with that bad tribute act they try passing off as Sonic from the 90s in Generations and Forces.

[@thegungerbrospodcast7671]

God I hate that they keep pushing that "Sonic didn't talk" motif in recent years. The only reason he didn't talk in most of the classic games is because of technical limitations, not because he's a mute. Like in almost every other media of sonic in that era he's talking and wise-cracking all the time with that care-free attitude he's known for. It made even less sense as Classic tails and Eggman talk non-stop in generations, like how tf does that work?Now you're telling me they're doubling down on this mute classic sonic nonsense by removing his voicelines from CD? What is SEGA smoking?

[@FirstnameLastname-sb3hj]

Man, 1997 really was a good year

[@Medachod]

@@thegungerbrospodcast7671 I know they wanted Classic Sonic to talk. They considered Jaleel White, but never contacted him. Would have made sense since he was the iconic voice of Classic Sonic overseas. Not so much in Japan, though. And since Classic Sonic never had a voice in Japan as consistent as Jaleel White was overseas, their hands were tied. They had to either make a call to ask Masato Nishimura to return as Sonic, find a new voice or scrap the idea altogether. I would theorize that was their thought process on why Jaleel White was just a thought.

[@thegungerbrospodcast7671]

@@Medachod But here's the thing about the whole generations thing that is so weird, no-one was ever contacted to voice classic sonic including Jaleel White or any of the other Sonic VA's throughout the years, so it seems they didn't plan to give him a voice in the first place. To back up my statement, Mike Pollock and Colleen voiced both the classic and modern versions of their characters so why didn't they do the same for Roger as well? Like the only real difference between Modern and Classic is their design as they are both 15 years old still so it wouldn't matter lol. It seems to me that they didn't want to bring back Classic Sonic as Sonic, but instead have him act as the cute and silent little Brother for Modern Sonic which really sucks honestly.

[@fixedfunshow]

@@Medachod Sonic had a voice in Japan, look at the Sonic Anime OVA

[@Livia_Poiana]

9:06 the main menu text at the top left corner: you didint have to cut me off-

[@WorksOfMagic]

8:27 I see what you did there.

[@Zelkalon]

I see what he did there too

[@twinklycandle]

I saw what he did as well

[@gfiasco]

I have seen what he has done there

[@r.blackford9739]

When Sonic Generations came out...i really had optimism for the future of the season. Hah, those were good times!

[@Alejandro333777]

Frontiers gives me that hope again

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

At least Superstars seems to continue what Frontiers and Murder left us

[@thoseonetrains]

​@@Hugo-yz1vbwtf is "Murder" lmao

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

@@thoseonetrains The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, was it not obvious?

[@thoseonetrains]

@Hugo-yz1vb OHH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT SOMETHING ELSE LMAO

[@KaiokenBlueGT]

Fun fact: *You can unlock Super Sonic in Sonic 2 in Origins by Emerald Hill ACT 1. Yes.* Basically, once you hit all the checkpoints and you've obtained all the emeralds for them, you can hit "Restart" in Anniversary Mode and it'll reset the checkpoints whilst retaining your number of emeralds, pretty much allowing you to grind all 7 at the *very start of the game for free* .

[@MullerFan28]

💀💀💀💀

[@superfandesonic1]

You can also do it in the original game by getting a time over

[@prywatne4733]

you can do that in original without restarting (there are enough checkpoints in the level)

[@thevioletbee5879]

If you can do that many special stages in a row without going insane.

[@rightwing707]

@@thevioletbee5879 And not just any special stages, Sonic 2 special stages.

[@robertlarson3718]

So glad I watched this. I thought I was going crazy I couldn't get into the room with the chaos ring in it in the second level of Sonic 3. Shame on them man. I still payed 45.00 for it though.

[@Crow_Rising]

Something that would have boosted the value of this collection tremendously would be if classic mode was actual emulation of the Genesis/Mega Drive classics, also unlocking them in the Genesis/Mega Drive collection they released previously if you didn't already have them. Also, bundling the previous Steam version of CD in as a separate library item you get with it for free. Yeah, the price bump would be annoying, but at least these versions of the games would still be legally accessible, along with all the rom hacks and fan creations such as Sonic 3 AIR that have been made by the community over the years. Them not doing anything even remotely like this feels like a huge middle finger to the fanbase, throwing our fan creations under the bus for a frankly unfinished collection that desperately needs polishing.

[@mups4016]

I have a suggestion, stop caring about "legally accessible" when it comes to sega because it's clear that they don't wanna make a fair trade and just wanna scam you.

[@Crow_Rising]

@@mups4016 I have a suggestion. Don't stoop down to their level and become a criminal just because you're irritated. Demand change, don't be content with having to resort to crime.

[@nova_archive]

@@mups4016 Don't listen to him, piracy is based and morally correct when it comes to shitty companies that don't care about delivering a quality product.

[@mothiva9533]

@@Crow_Rising It's always morally correct to pirate from garbage companies that constantly spit on you :^)

[@Crow_Rising]

@@nova_archive If you don't think the product is quality then why would you commit a crime to obtain it? Just don't buy it. Speak out against it, and move on.

[@telekinesticman]

Great to see you mentioning some specific issues brand new to this version of Sonic 3, like the AIZ Act 1 teleport, the Hydro City special stage being inaccessible, and the Marble Garden slope physics acting differently. I noticed all these problems myself and haven't seen most videos mentioning them.

[@ninjacat230]

"hydro city"

[@bakubread9308]

I am so glad I already owned CD and set up Sonic Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, and Sonic 3 A.I.R. before this came out. Those are absolutely the definitive ways to play these games on PC, even if they don't have the convenience of coming in one collection.

[@Schnort]

There is no point to Origins when these already exist. They should have just payed the makers of those to put them in a bundle, tweaked them to add the boss rush and mirror mode, and called it a day.

[@ajgameguy3674]

@@Schnort Even without those ROM hacks, Sega has already ported over the classic games several times over on multiple devices over the past decade. Hell, the entirety of Sonic 1 can be played in Generations. At this point, it's redundant. Kinda wish they'd start porting over other games besides the Genesis games, like the games on Game Gear, the Advance/Rush series, etc.

[@Schnort]

@@ajgameguy3674 the goal of origins was to get newcomers from the movie to get interested in older sonic games. I guess it works, but it's a bad first experience. I wish Chaotix was ported. The sound track was there but not the game? Chaotix needs to be ported so they can change some things like the roulette level select system; keep it the same except you won't repeat a level until all the other ones have been played at least once. This would help with the weird jumping in difficulty. Just. Give Chaotix what it deserves.

[@PikangsFutaba]

I really need to setup Sonic Forever and 2 Absolute...again (and play the actual Steam port of CD... which I bought like 2 or 3 years ago with a Sonic franchise deal back then, and got a sigh of relief when Sega announced the RIPpironi of the games on Steam 1 month before Origins release because I already had them all).

[@BabyDanielBD]

That does kinda sound mildly disrespectful to Christian Whitehead since he was the one who made the 1, 2, and CD ports on mobile and Origins as well as Mania. Sure, there are as good as official ports can get (a bit higher than usual but still far below the fan’s capabilities), but for those who aren’t really into downloading fangames or aren’t PC or mobile gamers, there was probably some demand for these CH ports to come to mobile, and so, Origins does just that.

[@JordanPurcell92]

The zoom in on the rotating platform from sonic 3 was painfully hilarious. I honestly spent over 15 years not beating sonic 3 because I didn't know that you could control those platforms with the D-pad. I was always stuck in act 2 of Carnival Night zone jumping up and down until the timer ran out in that chamber near the end.

[@lijemiriam7965]

"But losing Ice Cap is giving everyone a hard time." HARD TIMES, HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE HARD TIMES ARE MINE.

[@anniebabie_8519]

ermm actually its "hard times gone by" :////

[@Dante...]

When I wasn't able to get that one special ring in hydrocity I said out loud "No... no way they actually broke this." And then I wasted about 4 minutes trying to get it. Then my disappointment only grew when I noticed the muffled audio and the start of marble garden being broken.

[@andreworders7305]

SEGA fired the only people who have made a good Sonic game in a long time. Great job!

[@right_hand_power7960]

I'm willing to say Sega either doesn't like Genesis/32X/Game Gear Sonic titles, and prefers 3d Sonic, or they dislike others producing successful Sonic titles reminiscent of the Genesis/Game Gear/32X titles.

[@WellToastedBagel]

It's insane to me that something this rough along the edges exists, when Sonic Mega Collection existed 20 years ago and was mostly great.

[@Miraglyth]

To cover the early Denuvo point, the menu slowdown / memory leak disappeared from Mania when it was removed so that gives credibility to the idea it's what's happening in Origins too. Since being called out on slowing down gameplay where framerate matters, Denuvo have endeavoured to have "no impact on the paying customer" by having it cause slowdown in the other times (read: menus) instead.

[@DaMoniable]

They can endeavour all they want, theres still only one realistic way of not producing such horrendous slowdown, and thats to not use the system theyre using.

[@robertharper3114]

Denuvo is a waste of time cause hackers gonna hack no matter what

[@gentlecat2210]

@@robertharper3114 Denuvo isnt supposed to completely stop pirates. It is supposed to give a buffer so that people would rather buy the game instead of pirate it because it takes awhile. I think most games remove Denuvo once the game is cracked.

[@DaMoniable]

@@gentlecat2210 yes except all denovo versions have the same inherent flaw that gets exploited through previous versions. Also idk about most games, but Ubisoft is very insistent that it causes no issues years after their stuff is cracked.

[@ShaunDreclin]

@@gentlecat2210 it took them well over a year to remove denuvo from mania though. I was playing a cracked copy of mania a week after launch. Cancelled my pre-order when I heard it was coming with denuvo

[@WishMakers]

Judging from my experience with Taxman and Stealth's previous works, it seems like a no-brainer that SEGA completely sabotaged this somehow, which is incredibly disappointing. I'll need to read Stealth's thread

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

The gist of it is that Stealth and friends submitted what they thought was a near-final build to SEGA, and then SEGA made numerous changes to it without telling them, including the accidental introduction of new bugs that weren't there before. They want to do a patch to fix the game's issues, but there's no telling if SEGA will let them.

[@rwalker0130]

“Generally games get cheaper the more time passes” Please explain this concept to Nintendo, sir.

[@Icalasari]

Fuck, some Nintendo games seem to get MORE expensive

[@XSlimSxadyX]

Call of Duty: *looks away*

[@sparkles7111]

so nintendocore of them to still have games like mario kart 8 deluxe (base mk8 being almost a decade old) at full price ✨60USD/80CAD✨

[@osc-omb47896]

The gamecube: Sorry sir I don't speak this langage

[@scotginger4690]

There's actually a reason for that. Miyamoto (or Iwata I don't remember) said in an interview that they don't put big games on sale as they believe that people who buy the game on sale and people who buy it day one will be angry that they get the same amazing experience, but one has to pay less. Which is great because everyone gets it equal and pays the same amount... But ass when you realise that we're 5 years down the line and Botw is still £60.

[@seb5689]

this is absolutely the best review of a modern sonic game I have ever seen, have a like & sub my guy!

[@darkwater124]

The thing is if they want to release tiny changes to the game, that's fine. I encourage it too given how these games could really use updated features and tuning. The issue is replacing the original and removing the ability to play whichever version you prefer.

[@henryapplebottom7231]

OPTIONS SEGA! Give us OPTIONS!!!!!

[@ohno5507]

I've given a Sega a lot of credit throughout the years, as they have published some decent games aside from Sonic. That said, their handling of Sonic has just been constant L's for them lately. From Sonic Forces, to the Colors remaster, and now this. Not to mention their past with the bad Adventure ports. It seems like the only thing Sonic fans can take comfort in is that their fan projects will largely be left alone, but that's it. Sonic really needs a win.

[@mrboerger1620]

Do the movies count as a win?

[@ohno5507]

@@mrboerger1620 Eh? While I think the first movie was good (at the very least, better than expected), it's hard to call it much of a win for the game side of things.

[@blindedjourneyman]

@@mrboerger1620 pyrrhic victory movies bring in more fans yes, but bad games run off old AND new fans who get burned. And then they legitimately pull a BLIZZARD and try and remove the old ones to force new customers to buy origins if they want the classic experience.

[@PuffyRainbowCloud]

@@mrboerger1620 Not in my book. They're breaking too many established canons. I know there are MANY Sonic canons and that this is supposed to be a new one, but they literally reinvented things like the rings, the master emerald, seemingly to some extent the chaos emeralds which they provided no in-movie explanation for... There's just too much that doesn't make sense. Oh yeah, and casting Idris Elba for a character who is an established idiot, and having one scene where he seems scheming and dark, and then reverting him to the established idiocy for the rest of the movie. Nothing about the Sonic movies makes sense. Don't get me started on the casting of Jim Carrey as Dr. Robotnik, Eggman, whatever they're calling him.

[@mustangmckraken1150]

@Mr Boerger Not really imo. I have 0 interest in seeing anything about the human characters, and I'd much rather have a good game that I can enjoy for the next 10 years. Jim Carrey just is *not* Robotnik, and I didn't enjoy either of them nearly as much as I do hooking my Genesis back up to play S3&K again.

[@outofthecoral]

The drop dash was implemented in a poor way and results in Tails sometimes not respawning because they use the same value for some reason Also I can get why Amy isn't playable, she never was in any of these games and the stages weren't designed for her, along with requiring making a brand new moveset for her, but why was she given an active role destroying badniks in the ending cutscene when she can't do that in the game?

[@Karloss00]

Watch Mighty and Ray turn up later just because of Mania Plus.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@Karloss00 those will definitely be in, but only in sonic 3 because that one reuses mania's engine so they can do the work equivalent of a mod and slap them in with no new alternate paths

[@bartdude82]

Yet we have all of these fan games out here with Amy, Cream, Shadow, Rouge, etc being playable in Sonic 1-3. No excuse…

[@theeverythingchannel_yt]

Even though we did get a major patch for this game, the title of your video is still correct, "Sonic Origins is Not Finished"

[@hibber25]

10:44 Not being able to control a jump from a roll has always been a thing in the genesis titles, not just the mobile ports. Specifically 1 and 2, since 3 allowed you to break out of this state via insta-shield.

[@CrashFan03]

I feel like if sega allowed stealth and co to touch up 1 and 2 they would have fixed that. i mean sega is obviously ok with it being the way it is in 3

[@Medachod]

They could have made this a bigger collection and at least added Amy in as a playable character. Would have made me a bit interested in playing ever since I enjoyed her being modded into every other 2D Sonic entry besides, comically enough, her debut game since it lacks one. _Good Potential Games for Sonic Origins:_ - Sonic Spinball - SegaSonic the Hedgehog -(no "what about the trackball" argument plz)- - Chaotix - Sonic 3D: Flickes' Island And really, just throw in all of the Game Gear entries besides Sonic Labyrinth. Then I would have justified forty bucks. Where this collection stands now, twenty-five sounds fine at best.

[@HillTopTerebi]

Fantastic video! *_Everything_* you said is absolutely spot on. I've been having a great time with this collection too but it needs one hell of a hefty patch. It stinks of Sonic Team and SEGA half-arsedness. If only they'd got the Mania team to make it. It would have been done with so much more care and attention.

[@MisterVercetti]

It _was_ made by the Mania team, or at least the games themselves were. As for the subpar Sonic 3 remake, Stealth is on the record saying it wasn't finished, but SEGA refused to delay Origins to give them time to polish it up to the team's standards, so we got what they had done at the time. All of the extra content, on the other hand, _reeks_ of Sonic Team and its signature laziness and incompetence. It just confirms in my mind that Frontiers is gonna be bad, just like everything else Sonic Team's had its grubby little paws on over the past decade.

[@animeisformen863]

It was completely rushed by sega team, and the actual team making the game were very vocal about how much they hate Sega for giving them a faulty version and then rushing them

[@PyroNick01]

@@MisterVercetti Actually, that surprisingly isn't true. Yes, Headcannon helped with some of it, but not the whole thing. Hopefully, they do patch the game well, and patch it correctly.

[@HewettSimSport]

fun fact: a glitch has been found that when you open CD boss rush (idk if its not only on switch), you can access the instruction manual from the original port for CD. when you exit out of it, it takes you to the main menu and when you try to start, it takes you to the original CD port menu ( some things like save slots dont work ) time attack and settings do work i believe but when you finish the time attack stage, i think you get softlocked.

[@TimelessTimothy]

Now *this* is really well-made, well-thought-out evaluation of Sonic Origins! I appreciate the level of self-awareness, respectfulness (y'know, not bashing the game without considering other folks' perception of it), extensive consideration, as well as the entertaining sarcasm presented here. While I've been aware of some issues currently present in Origins (like lack of options, in-game audio problems, etc.), it was great to see a detailed, comprehensive assessment of what needs to be improved. Ever since Origins received its official reveal trailer on April 20th this year, I've been mostly determined to wait until a physical version of this game collection. Admittedly, this video has made my wait easier. Personally, from what I've seen, it feels like Origins received love and care (through the widescreen and animated cutscene additions), but also a lack of love and care at the same time. I greatly hope that the folks at SEGA will give the Origins devs. time all the time required to resolve most _(even better, *all*)_ of the issues you've presented. For me, a physical release of Sonic Origins along with a wealth of patches/updates to improve the game (maybe some additional [game] content too--as a semi-apology) would make this collection golden!

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

They won't

[@TimelessTimothy]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 Woah, so you're a SEGA employee now? Please, don't tell me that your great-uncle Jimbob the Third specifically told you that _"Sonic Origins will not get more updates..."_ 😅 Jokes and sarcasm aside, I see that you're trying to be "realistic" here. However, more realistically, we genuinely don't know everything that happens in/at SEGA, which also means that you can't say whether Origins (definitely) will or won't receive new updates, or even a physical release for that matter. Nonetheless, the SEGA Social Media team has expressed awareness of some minor issues with this collection, and have released a new patch for the Playstation edition of Sonic Origins (update v1.03). Overall, I strongly believe that it's best to stay open-minded regarding these issues, as things still can change and improve. Be sure to consider various factors behind the scenes, especially before making a comment with such confidence (well, seemingly).

[@obsidiansun6952]

Notable problems I came across: - The Origins Menu chugs really fucking hard. - Random Crush Collision where you normally wouldn't be crushed. - Blue Spheres Music does not speed up along with the Special Stage. - Tails AI is busted in both Sonic 2 and 3&K, where if he falls too far behind he begins to freak the fuck out and jump spam until you finish the Act. - Music randomly stops playing at some points, either through me transforming into Super Sonic or after the transformation ends, after I enter or leave a Special Stage, or die and return to the last checkpoint. - The Movement Lock after performing the Drop Dash in Sonic 1 and 2. There is no need for it to be here especially considering they managed to slap in the Drop Dash but not remove the movement Lock. I haven't come across the Electric Shield Glitch, nor have I been able to recreate it no matter how hard I try, but apparently it existed back in the Genesis/MegaDrive Day, so no need to pretend it doesn't exist. Now, there's the matter of content that was taken out: - Sonic 1, 2 and CD no longer have multiple Save Files like they did on the Android/iOS versions(6, 6, 4 Respectively). Meaning you're forced into playing 1 file with each character. - Sonic 1, 2, and CD no longer have Stage Select after you complete a Save File. This means if you were holding out to collect the Chaos Emeralds/Time Stones until after a campaign finished, you're shit out of luck and need to start over from scratch. You also can't replay Zones and Acts you enjoyed. - Lack of Spin Dash Toggle in Sonic 1. - Lack of Sonic & Tails playthrough option in Sonic 1. There's a lot of "minor" nitpicks I have with it all, but it's wanting the option to toggle on features from a menu rather than going into the Level Select and Sound Test: - Toggle the 7th Chaos Emerald in Sonic 1. - Toggle Super Sonic in Sonic 1. - Toggle the Drop Dash, and include options to include all Sonic Abilities (Peel Out, Insta Shield...). - Playable Knuckles in Sonic CD. - Playable Knuckles & Tails in Sonic 1, 3&K, and CD. - Skippable Cutscenes. - Elemental Shields in Sonic 1, 2 and CD.

[@Ohthatguy64]

The cutscenes are actually skippable

[@custardly2310]

Tails' AI doesn't work in 3? It worked fine for me as far as I could tell. (Switch Version) His AI in 2 was 100% broken though. I can attest to that. The funniest part? his AI works just fine in Sonic 1, if you select Sonic and Tails from level select. (For anyone that doesn't know, Sonic and Tails is character 00.) Which means, for me at least, the only game where his AI doesn't work is Sonic 2. Not like it's... y'know... the most important game in the series for Tails or anything, and the one where his AI working should be the most important.

[@obsidiansun6952]

@@custardly2310 I personally faced the same AI issue during a playthrough with 3&K. The AI is definitely busted across the board, and by SEGA/Sonic Team no less.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

Probably chugs either because of poor optimization or fucking Denuvo

[@Ohthatguy64]

@@thatitalianlameguy2235 or both really

[@TheCodeAlwaysWins]

noticed the sound effect quality immediately. I don't understand in a gigabyte rendition of a 16 bit game how that's possible. Knowing Taxman and Stealth's work, I would place my bets on it being SEGA.

[@edgardeitz2784]

If Taxman and Stealth had made the program, it would've ruled; All playable characters would be available for allthe games (Sonic, Amy, Tails, Knuckles, Vector, Espio, Charmy, Fang, Mighty, Ray, etc.), there wouldn't be as many bugs in the code, and little extras would be sprinkled here or there to show that they are in the details.

[@gsrleo]

Awesome, in-depth, and definitely entertaining review which definitely helped give me a better understanding of what the game consists of. ❤️‍🔥👍

[@bradenhogan2]

The animations can be skipped, at least on console. You have to press the “Back” button, not start or whatever

[@gilition]

On PC its ESC of all keys.

[@SethAshcraft]

@@gilition and l

[@jennytulls6369]

I’m now imagining the ability to purchase and play as the Chaotix in the other Sonic games without the tether mechanic as unlockables, and I would have been very happy to grind out coins just to play as Vector or Charmy is the other games

[@frownieclownie]

I had my concerns about this game and an assumption that it would be a messy compilation altogether and it looks like I made the right decision not pre-ordering. I'm gonna hold out on a sale and get it on Steam, awesome deep dive into this glad to have stumbled across your channel!

[@Man_Soy]

As someone who only bought sonic 1, 2 and 3 on steam, it's a big relief that CD has the least problems.

[@chaymania]

The devs should expand the concept of mission mode with a map maker using assets from every game in the collection to let the fans make and share levels for others to challenge themselves with.

[@johndewberryiii9925]

That would be dope I believe you can do that in Mario maker on switch

[@SixDovahkiin]

True that.

[@TheMarioman121]

What bugs me most about Origins is that it doesn't let you mix and match stuff. Hell, they didn't even bother to put in the option to play 3 or S&K separately; something even the Classic Collection on DS implemented. Between this and Colors Ultimate, it really feels like the sonic part of Sega has a horrible habit of shoving things out unfinished lately. Makes me worried about what Frontiers is gonna end up like at launch.

[@PhenomenalJec]

I smell another disaster coming

[@Magic0neGaming]

it's a lazy rushed cash grab...they even removed the original titles off steam so you can't buy the better and cheaper versions...it's pathetically obvious what they're doing and it sucks...

[@Fuyu_Arashi99]

@ejordant2000 Stuff like this is why I find it impossible to be optimistic about Sonic.

[@TheMarioman121]

@ejordant2000 I mean, given that Sega's not really made any legitimately good sonic stuff lately, I think the fans have a right to be nitpicky.

[@isodoubIet]

@ejordant2000 Critics have been "acclaiming" garbage sonic games for years. It even has a name, the "sonic cycle".

[@STULF20X6]

Boy am I glad I've long had 1,2,3, CD all in my library before this! At first, I only heard about 3's OST issue and said "I grew up with the PC ports anyways. Couldn't be THAT bad, right?" Then I saw this breakdown, and well... I understand now and beyond Like you'd think SEGA would've learned from '06 about rushing a product, and they seem to have done so for frontiers. They seem not to have applied the same lesson though for a re-release for whatever reason. Like maybe they thought they could just port what was already done? Wouldn't explain the lack of features between the phone port and this though... This didn't even make its deadline neither as it was supposed to compliment the new movie To make matters worse, if you did manage to snag any of these games for the Sega Mega Drive and Genesis Classics emulator on Steam, each of these games do have workshop support. I know there's already modding for Origins, but steam Workshop is that extra, low-entry to modding. The workshop for these games has a majority of these new tweaks, and to a version of the game that, afaik, more reliably emulates the original experience. The workshop may vary in quality, but they're still available What is it with the last two years and shoddy "remaster" collections of games? At least somehow here the phone port had significant improvements compared to GTA. Yes, the GTA collection was based off of the poorly done IOS ports of those games, and not any the console release

[@drifter402]

They've rushed out basically ever sonic game ever.

[@Lon1an]

I got Sega classics on nintendo Switch. It looks like they removed sonic 1 & 2 on the Steam version?

[@STULF20X6]

@@Lon1an if you buy a game on steam before it's removed from the store, it still stays in your library

[@TheMailmanOfSteel]

All they had to do was release the original games in widescreen resolutions...

[@flamez3833]

I was scared after colors ultimate but now my fears have come true. A once “near” flawless, hardworking team has gone lazy and yet more money hungry than ever before smh

[@luka_shapka2768]

3:02 *GTA TRILOGY "DEFINITIVE" EDITION FLASHBACKS BEGIN*

[@fellawake8497]

Thanks Sega.. you've inspired me to go back in time and get an old school CRT tv and a Sega Genesis to play these games properly like I did when I was a kid. It's so disappointing.. I was genuinely excited for this collection as I grew up with Sonic in the 90s but this company clearly only cares about the money and not their fans/or love of the art. I had high hopes for this After Sonic Mania

[@loyt974]

It's also an option play the best version of each game sonic 3 air, sonic 2 absolute, sonic 1 forever and sonic cd restored

[@fellawake8497]

@@loyt974 thanks for the suggestion! I've never heard of those before.. I'm kind of partial to the old school setup though and wanna recreate that for nostalgia purposes. Really cool to see people are taking care of these games in the modding community! :)

[@loyt974]

@@fellawake8497 Np

[@KingStr0ng]

Exactly. Vintage collecting will always be superior. Sega had more heart and work ethic during the Genesis days and they didn't cut corners to exploit thier fans. 40 dollars for a game from 6 generations ago that has less content is insane.

[@fellawake8497]

@@KingStr0ng Part of the reason I was excited for this collection was a line of thought like "ahh.. a collection of Old games. Sega can't screw this up." I don't know why I'm surprised but I am.

[@cyanryan1]

Man, I literally just put out a Steam review that says a lot of the same stuff you did here. Good stuff.

[@hihi-nm3uy]

8:29 You made this joke, and moved on, so subtly. You earned a like just for making that Hard Times reference.

[@MaverickTsuki]

Honestly i'm not so bothered about the physics change in Origins. That also happened on the Steam release of Sonic CD and it took a while for me to get used to. It was annoying at moments because some of the routes i used on the original release to time warp just didnt work there. It felt like it took a second longer to warp.

[@klazomaniac3890]

That's actually because in the Taxman remake of CD it *does* take longer to warp.

[@MaverickTsuki]

@@klazomaniac3890 Well.... yes, that's what i've said

[@klazomaniac3890]

@@MaverickTsuki Ah, thought you were just attributing it to only feeling, my bad.

[@KingStr0ng]

@@klazomaniac3890 If messed up physics are part of the Taxman remake then that logically means that the original is better.

[@kyrenity]

9:32 I KNEW you could reach that as Sonic. Yeah in general, I had a good experience with this collection, with no technical issues at any point. There are a lot of nit-picks mainly from me, such as the mislabeled soundtracks and lack of customizability for gameplay settings. I'm not sure why Sonic CD didn't have the menu it had from its original port. A lot of questionable decisions, overall, but the Sonic 3 port, some of the missions, and the cohesive story mode made it quite a fun time for myself at least.

[@CrashFan03]

5:19 what's weird about this is that the 2013 version DID have sonic and tails in 1. hell, you can still play as them in origins if you use the level select

[@paulmichaelpalazolo]

I love that he can just be talking about something on topic then just go and say something COMPLETELY off topic. It makes me laugh.