SoniCake Pocket Master can Load NAM profile: Null test and Latency test

[@MoeKimMusic]

You are the man!! Thank you for doing this. You are one of the few channels I see with actual objective data, which is much needed in the music scene. Please keep up the good work!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you soo much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video and the format: it means a lot to me!!!

[@bobydaraiche5171]

Next we want to see the new Valeton GP5 thx Leo you have always very good review 👌

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you so much, let's hope that Valeton sends me a unit to check out!

[@TudorAdrian]

I'd be very happy to see more modelers allow the ability to load STANDARD architecture NAM profiles.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Yes, me too!

[@bryce_will_die98]

There's nothing that I enjoy more than a Leo Gibson deep dive.

[@jasonzdora]

Thanks for the shout-out! I hope these 44.1khz devices are able to correct the math of the sample conversion and that might help improve the sound of the amp model overall. Cheers!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You are welcome and thank you for sharing!

[@roccsterx]

Great video! My Pocket Master is on its way, looking forward to trying it out :)

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you so much!!!

[@scottbecker3485]

Hugely appreciative of your tireless efforts to give us the facts on all kinds of devices! That said, I personally have no interest in using NAM captures on my Pocket Master (of which I bought first one, and then a 2nd one because I love it so much and wish to have one for my electric as well as one for my acoustic, in the latter case for loading acoustic IRs and having a few effects in various presets, for various cover songs). I‘d rather just use the stock amps on board the Pocket Master, rather than forcing the (cheap) converters to do the heavy lifting of converting NAM captures, with obvious tonal losses involved. I don‘t really understand why anyone would prefer to use NAM captures on such a device, rather than just choosing to use the on-board sounds or else use a ToneX with (high-quality) captures, or any other modeler for that matter. I figure NAM captures - being great-sounding when played back with great gear - lose their attractiveness and accuracy when played back on cheap gear, so what‘s the point of choosing NAM over something else? If accuracy is what we want, we should go with the gear that can deliver that. For me, good sound is sufficient, and my audiences agree. Nobody cares about accuracy, so forget NAM. I also have ToneX and ToneX One, but will instead be using two Pocket Masters for my solo performances, and they will be quite good enough. As for the Valeton G-5 soon to come, it will also handle NAM captures, but probably also with conversion and cheap converters, so I wouldn‘t expect it to deliver (much) better results than the Pocket Master, and maybe Sonicake will even improve on the NAM performance a bit in future firmware. But as far as I‘m concerned, the PM is perfect as-is, at its fantastic price point and give its full feature set. With a bit of care, I will even be able to switch presets from song to song using my feet, while also doing away with a dedicated tuner and some other pedals. Great times!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing and I'm happy that you appreciate the effort!!

[@vasyltretiakovofficial]

Thank you very much for the detail comparison :)

[@RockGuitarVibes]

Valeton GP-5 will be available soon - it's able to load up to 80 NAM profiles, 20 IR's and other effects at a very low price 🤯

[@iagobroxado]

I just watched a video on the Valeton, interesting unit. It's on pre-order in their oficial website here in Brazil. I'll wait for Leo's test.

[@joaquin8637]

it probably does the same as this unit, some form of conversion

[@milankotevski1663]

It's not loading NAM files, it is converting them to a lesser quality format. Not the same.

[@iagobroxado]

@ I'd think so, since Valeton and Sonicake are sister brands, they must be using the same technology. Also, given they are being almost simultaneously released.

[@АндрейПолевой-я5и]

@@milankotevski1663 why you think so? It's not really easy to make some conversion of one WaveNet model into an something else. And you can't just cut some weights, it needs a retrain easier model from beginning

[@nj1255]

Way to go Sonicake! Bringing NAM to a budget friendly modeler. Heros!

[@nunolance23]

I think it’s just a matter of time until most budget units load the NAM captures with even better quality than the Pocket Master - thinking of Valeton, Mvave, etc

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@leifpearson5205]

Valeton already has gp-5 announced at Namm to load Nam.

[@johnplaystheguitar123]

​@@leifpearson5205I was tempted to get the valeton but I already own a tonex one. Also I went with the pocket master as the rechargeable battery is a big selling point for me. Don't need anything else for practice.

[@pedrofirmino1121]

Great video as always! I'm all for NAM profiles in multi-fx units as there is already an incredible library of sounds. NAM allowed me to understand what I like when it comes to amps so I hope it will do the same for someone who is starting out.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video! Yes, I do agree!

[@MeTuLHeD]

Great video! Glad to hear the profile loading works. I was just hoping to hear some playing examples.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you so much! I did the playing example in the demo review video, therefore I thought that this video was dedicated to technical aspect...still with some test riffs inside. Nonetheless I'm happy that you appreciate the playing parts!

[@MeTuLHeD]

@LeoGibsonGtr So in the review video, you played through some NAM profiles? I thought you just played through the stock amps.

[@DoubleDguitar]

Mine arrives in about an hour. Looking forward to it.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@DoubleDguitar]

@ thank you for your work 🤘🏻🤙🏻

[@ultimatescalerc7151]

So are you ready to use it to replace the TX1? I already have lol

[@DoubleDguitar]

@@ultimatescalerc7151 ha nice!! We shall see. But not sure yet. Sounds like the NAM captures are going to really take this to the next level. It’s here and just charged up!

[@ultimatescalerc7151]

@@DoubleDguitar Let us know Im dying to hear your oppinion.

[@CarloRegadasGuitar]

I've just been jamming on my Pocket Master. I have my MXR YJM overdrive in front of it, through the JCM800 model and a custom IR and it sounds fantastic. Handy to know about this feature. Great video as always mate. Carlo 👍🏼🎸

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing and I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!

[@ImpostorModanica]

​@@LeoGibsonGtr I've been checking KZbin daily since you published your short video, and the wait was worth it! Now I'll be looking forward to your review on the upcoming Valeton GP-5 😉😎

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Ciao Carlo, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!!!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you! I'm not sure I will be able to get the GP5...of course if Valeton sands me a unit I will be happy to check it out!

[@ImpostorModanica]

@ Maybe something can be arranged

[@silvioherrmann2337]

thanks for this analysis 👏

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You are welcome!

[@TheMarcospatroni]

Your work is very useful for any guitar player in th world. Thanks a lot.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You are welcome and I'm really happy that you appreciate the videos!!!

[@AndersonM.]

The EQ shift category is very interesting

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Yes, I do agree....that's not my merit...kudos to Jason

[@jcoulter43]

Great analysis as always Leo! I may have to pick one of these up just to mess around with loading the NAM profiles and as a super convenient practice tool. My Matribox II I use as a practice tool at home and really love the way it sounds. Hard to argue with $64.99 US for something like this. God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you so much! Yes, the price is really inviting....

[@Obssy]

Great video as always, thank you for all your hard work. Could you make a comparison chart in terms of DSP for some of these more popular modelers? I mean actual processor and RAM figures, like for computers. I have looked for something like this everywhere and did not find it.

[@ToneScientist]

Quello che ha suggerito Jason si può verificare facendo un profilo a 44.1 kHz (si può fare facilmente su tonezone3000) e vedendo se in quel caso suona effettivamente uguale (o quantomeno più simile) al plugin e al dimehead.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Grazie per la condivisione!

[@johnplaystheguitar123]

Thank you for doing this so quickly and thoroughly. I have ordered the pocket master and it should arrive in the next few days. Even though it's a mistake the 'darker' sound of the 44.1 conversation issue isn't necessarily a bad thing. I wonder how the lufs from the null compares to Kemper tonex quad cortex etc I'll watch your other video on that and see

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You are welcome and thank you for sharing! Here you have the comparison with the other profilers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5mvfpSpatWNn80

[@johnplaystheguitar123]

@LeoGibsonGtr thank you. Just watched. It's incredible that a $60 device on release has 27 lufs and not far off cortex and Kemper etc in the low 30s. Sonicake and other companies will probably be able to improve nam integration in future updates.

[@dinhometallica]

Just got here, left a like!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you so much: it really helps the channel!

[@volv]

Thank you, Leo. I've been waiting for your video about it. I have Sonicake Pocket Master and tried NAM, too. It definitely doesn't sound the same as NAM plugin. I wonder how we can get it closer with some EQ. Hopefully someone figures it out with some testing. Maybe then running NAM on Sonicake + Sonicake's EQ could actually be good and sound close enough.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You are welcome! Yes, eq could for sure help

[@adrianaellig8897]

@Leo Gibson: Is it true that only full gear captures can be used? That means when you load a NAM-file you cannot use IRs? Cheers and thx!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Hi, yes, so far if you use the profile / capture...the IR block is disabled

[@achilleszaluar5825]

Thank you!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You're welcome!

[@jimsimmons2674]

Leo will SoniCake have a Update for the Matribox II so you could load in NAM Profiles?

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

this is a good question...but I don't know... I guess they are trying with low budget devices to then bring the functionality to the other devices...it seems logical...but it is just my speculation!

[@leondantas]

thanks Leo

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You are welcome!

[@PickcutStudios]

Same what the Mod Dwarf did, they use smaller size NAM captures.. don't know how they compare though. Thank you Leo ❤

[@ultimatescalerc7151]

For what it is, it kicks ass. Im done with my TX1 this is more than enough to replace it and MIDI is supposed to come in the next update.

[@milankotevski1663]

Matt Ryder is that you!? Lol

[@milankotevski1663]

This is a crappy device. One would have to be either CEO of the company, or crazy to hype it as much as you do.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing your findings

[@ultimatescalerc7151]

@ Its 65 dollars!! There are modellers that cost 200 that can't do half of what this can do.

[@ultimatescalerc7151]

@@milankotevski1663 What you should understand. I am looking for a replacement for Tone X One since Ik will not unlock USB MIDI. I dont want the big pedal I want a modular solution. The SPM is more than enough to take the place of that TX1. It has two switches to switch out presets in any direction on the fly. it as way better FX, the stock stuff in this thing is excellent and is par with way more expensive modellers. The NAM part? use the damb EQ its why its there. The NAM captures sound great as they are. No it dont sound like the plug in nor the 700 dollar pedal. It dont have too its 65 bucks it only has to sound good and it does deliver that. If you dont think so you are either ignorant or dont actually even have one a basing things on youtube videos.

[@Ale25aora]

Wow!!!! Bel video come sempre Leo,complimenti👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Penso anch'io che i profili NAM, dovrebbero poter essere eseguiti sui modeler di ultima generazione (e non solo di ultima). Ormai la tecnologia lo permette, quindi WHY NOT??!!?

[@paolo-1283]

I just wish the will add a midi support for the next firmware

[@JaguarPanda]

Mine arrives in a few days, i can't wait to try it on a monosynth

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

Have you seen the Valeton GP-5 Multi-FX Amp and IR loader mini pedal??? $99.00 USD it does NAM too.😇

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Hi, yes, I have noticed it....let's hope that Valeton sends me unit to check it out! Thanks!

[@pqpguilhermepqp]

Many thanks for your tests and results. I was expecting some discrepancy by what I was hearing from other videos sound comparisons, I hope you are right about the EQ Shift, cause that would be an easy fix for Sonicake. It's also a great thing that more companies are adhering to NAM profiles, hope it becomes pretty standard soon. Other thing I would like to ask you, have you ever used Denoise technology such as Izotope RX Spectral de-noise, or C-suite C-axe guitar denoise? Cause I was having some impressive real time results using these, and it makes me think it would be a great advance for DSPs to include something like that Keep up the good work, thanks again!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you so much, I'm happy that you appreciate the video! Actually, I never use those tools...may I ask you for what scope do you use them? thanks!

[@pqpguilhermepqp]

@LeoGibsonGtr Spectral denoise is an adaptive filtering technique to filter uncorrelated signal. You can train it with a noise spectrum and have that noise removed from your signal. Makes your guitar so quiet that you dont even need noise gate anymore, and the tone is almost the same. I really love it.

[@joaquin8637]

I would love to see a chinese $150-200 NAM/IR loader with hyper accuracy NAM captures player capacity the Dimehead has very powerful computing specs to design to handle Nam, and still has the limitation of running hyper accuracy captures (even computers sometimes have trouble with those), but if it was stripped down to only nam/ir player features, then it could probably make it for an even better price than the standard NAM player

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@cliverkay]

Next test the Valeton VP5 ....also loads NAM profiles

[@mohitrahaman]

wow nice little thing!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

yes, thanks!

[@JacekF-z]

I wish Boss would add that to my GT-1000...i.e. NAM profile support. It would breathe new life into that unit.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Yes, it would be really nice!

[@niccologrfoni]

Ciao Leo. L' ho comprato per colpa tua e l' ho tenuto per colpa tua. Mi ci trovo molto bene in cuffia ed ho già caricato dei profili. Complimenti per la consueta precisione. Avrei una domanda. Per i limiti della macchina ho letto che vanno caricati profili completi , cioè amp + ir perché la macchina non riuscirebbe a processare un profilo amp e una ir. È corretto ? Devo quindi continuare a caricare rig completi di amp e cassa giusto ? Grazie mille come sempre.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Ciao Niccolò! Grazie e sono contento che hai trovato il video preciso! SI, corretto, o NAM profile, oppure AMP + CAB...probabilmente c'è un limite del DSP....che non riesce a processare NAM + CAB! Grazie!

[@niccologrfoni]

@@LeoGibsonGtr perfetto. Grazie ancora .

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Prego!

[@Johnmannish]

Great review, as always!, if it changes the tone of the NAM capture for me is a no, not worth it. Thanks!

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!

[@eiou12345]

There's another NAM profile loader, it's Valeton GP-5, that looks like ToneX One.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@TutsyWorld]

SPM has more warm sound so in my opinion the winner here is SPM

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing your findings!

[@ultimatescalerc7151]

This firmware version was also rushed I think ;as it was a back up plan after the actual product launch. So I think this is still very Beta yet. There is supposed be a new version coming soon. This version was to just get it working

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing

[@david_heryanto]

I am waiting the new valeton GP 5 that can play NAM profile.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing! I hope Valeton could send me a copy...so we can check it out!

[@rethinktone]

It's nice to be able to have nam captures on the go. And you can't argue with 60 bucks. I can't wait until there is a device that doesn't convert the nam profiles and it is super affordable. Nam player for me right now isn't affordable.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@iagobroxado]

I'm waiting for the day we can use Tonex or Quad Cortex files on a "Universal amp capture" reader/modeler.

[@Felipe_Silvva]

Nao está longe de acontecer.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@stormyandcold]

It sounds like the way its running the NAM profile is at half-rate? To me it sounds down-sampled and obviously lower quality. For the price it's an interesting feature, but, the sound-quality isn't really there. However, I do agree that all manufacturers need to implement NAM support. This is a requested feature for the next Amperium, which is currently being discussed.

[@JackOfGuitarTrades]

M-vave black box vs nam vst plugin vs sonicake.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for your suggestion! I need a second life to do all these videos...

[@joaquin8637]

nam will win always, and if its running hyper accuracy captures there would be no match, and it wouldn't even be a fair comparison, since nam will be using a pc computing capabilities

[@АндрейПолевой-я5и]

I think in new firmwares it will be better and they will do resample 44.1kHz to 48kHz before nam back to 44.1kHz and after it

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@MrNinfofan]

HX Stomp 2 with more DSP and ability to run NAM = Profit

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

yes

[@iwonder.]

Are these NAM profiles only any use for dirt sounds. I’m sick to death of hearing dirt sound comparisons

[@moroboshidan7960]

LOL, 5ms. 😂 They are incredible. I was expecting 10+. RIP multiFX companies. If not now, soon.

[@АндрейПолевой-я5и]

Users can create 44.1kHz nam models. Then they will sound wright i think

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

Thank you for sharing!

[@LasCosasComoSean]

Nam profiles with cheap electronics and AD/DA converters do NOT mix well. You need high quality parts and audio component to properly bring 1s and 0s to life! I think this device falls pretty short!

[@JasonGreen-n3l]

pocket dealio sounds muffled compared to the real. the expensive player doesn't sound much better on the high end. can we go back to using real amps lol

[@michaelhawkins6149]

The tech available today is amazing. Thank you for the review.

[@LeoGibsonGtr]

You are welcome and yes...I do agree!

[@john_enx]

nam is free yet sonicake makes money out of it, not cool at all !