Sonic Adventure 2 Battle: City Escape

Quick run in City Escape with an A rank.

[@PlaystationPortalOwnsSwitch]

One of the most iconic levels in a video game ever.

[@lurkzie]

And level soundtracks

[@bencowden9277]

Well besides green hill

[@goosey9222]

@@bencowden9277 the fact that people are still watching this vids even tho it's 10 years old is just damn makes you feel nostalgic

[@-PaulThePerson-]

World 1-1

[@JulianR2JG]

@Da_FNAF_Gamer He said “one of” dumbass

[@yoelazar3935]

Still one of the best opening stages in any 3D platformer to date. Love how the level design rewards constant flow with skill.

[@digbar7913]

You know this is a solid point I don't think very many people consider

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@digbar7913the opening stage in SA2 is as perfect as in Green Hill.

[@lll_Number_One]

@@purwantiallan5089Way better than Green Hill imo, City Escape is the greatest opening stage in any Sonic game

[@Chrissaiyanjojoknight]

Was THIS In The Movie?(SONIC 3 LOL! Nice ratings NEED TO WATCH IT AND THIS NEEDS To be On Nintendo Switch)(Remastered)

[@RizzyRiOfficial]

when you realize that truck moves at the speed of sound...

[@OmegaChase1002]

yungzeldaman No it doesnt. Sonic holds back his speed to protect innocent lives nearby.

[@thatpersonyoudontknow4509]

OmegaChase1002 I think he does it more so to tease them by giving them a false sense hope in catching up with him

[@OmegaChase1002]

I like my explanation better

[@memphisduwang6624]

OmegaChase1002 So how exactly would he be protecting lives by doing this?

[@OmegaChase1002]

ForgottenAce 156 do you know what would happen to you if you were too close to someone breaking the speed of sound? you'd go deaf, or worse! or do you know how hard it would be to steer yourself when moving that fast? you'd crash into someone or something! sonic's feet may be fast, but his reaction time isn't exactly perfect.

[@nickgames3149]

big ass truck chasing a blue hedgehog in the city. Residents of the city: *this is fine, everything is fine*

[@idontknow-xm1hi]

Just another ordinary day in San Francisco

[@liamphibia]

One dude about to have a good day towards work: *"MY BEAUTIFUL CAR!!"*

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

The President seeing the damages bill: I'm beginning to think funding this department was a mistake.

[@XenoMobilePhones]

Most normal truck in ohio

[@ArthurMrgan]

@@idontknow-xm1hiRip Van Winkle

[@JoaoLucasK]

And when I thought this truck was scary, there's the Sonic Generations version, in which the truck has saws and fucking rocket boosters to chase you on walls

[@kasaiflamevoid8008]

It used rocket boosters?! I always wondered how it drove on the side of the buildings without falling off

[@movedaccountcheckaboutmeth3404]

@@kasaiflamevoid8008 well sonic doesnt die in space and gravity half the time doesnt effect him so its just sonic logic

[@bluewulv]

Your taxpayers dollars at work.

[@MrC_316]

And it still manages to be a great level

[@wyattcleveland2461]

I upgraded it

[@Kirbychu1]

They timed this level to the music so well! The second you land you get "WOO", and after the first jump the vocals kick in, and the hype train just doesn't stop! It's also incredibly cool how the first cutscene leads directly into the first level seamlessly.

[@bugburger_]

the vocals of a song about freedom also start right after the military person finishes talking about capturing sonic

[@HorseCrab420]

This was the beginning of cutscene merging into in game gameplay, and we ain't even know it🤣🤣🤣🤔😯😬😂😂

[@thymecrafter]

there is no “WOO”

[@YoshiFan1995]

@@thymecrafterif you die or get the shoes that make you go faster the music resets and plays the version with the woo

[@SilverSkiver]

Seriously, this should of been the trailer to sonic 2019. He’s running away from the military and everything.

[@IMNTV]

Then the truck

[@m3nmin]

Sonic movie 2020 you mean?

[@Nisha-lu7xi]

OMG YES YOU AGREE

[@hellnahhhhh]

@EA -Sports Because we know what we really want.

[@figsaregood]

This game is the sequel to the new movie

[@DeadRaymanWalking]

This game was the first *PROPER* Sonic the Hedgehog game I had ever touched. Whenever I would go to a place where there'd be a Gamecube demo kiosk (Walmart, Circuit City, Best Buy, etc.) I would play Sonic Adventure 2 Battle and stay glued to the game until I completed a level or got bored of playing...whichever came first. Anyways, I had showed my dad this level on a demo of the game at a Circuit City we were at for hours (because he was putting in a new stereo system into the car). So halfway during me showing my dad what was going on in the game, he recognized the City Escape music playing in the background and went, "That's that music you've been listening to." (yeah, I just love the City Escape song...) In 2002 I got a Gamecube for Christmas with a few games (Super Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion), and the day after Christmas I got this lovely game :)

[@DaSmollerCheekyGreenEngine]

Beautiful story

[@KaizerNYC]

Man I miss this game so much. So many memories man... Damnnn

[@reginadeleon1911]

Kaizer on windows pc steam for 10$

[@reginadeleon1911]

What platform did you have it on

[@KaizerNYC]

@@reginadeleon1911 Oh snap, thanks Regina. I played it on the gamecube.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@KaizerNYCfor me i played SA2 both on original DC and PS3.

[@stephenperry5021]

The feeling you get when you time those ramp jumps at maximum speed. Going from 2-D to this, it was truly next gen when it came out and will always be a memory I will keep forever. Still the best sonic game of all time!

[@elibonham4388]

100% agreed I love the replayability, the Chao garden the extra mission the 2 player bosses and yes I live the mech stages and treasure hunting

[@nekroz_of_super_dora3477]

1:41 To this day, those rings are still chasing after Sonic

[@quinshortt]

They catch him at like 2:01 lol

[@quinshortt]

They catch him at around 2:01 lol

[@el_huevobrujo]

0:10 me when the last dreamcast is in stock at my local store

[@Justinhulk]

Ahhh the memories ^_^ One of the best games in History

[@x5xinarticulate]

And why is the truck massive

[@IlllllIlIIllIII]

@@x5xinarticulate AND ‘till this day we still don’t know why the truck is massive

[@IlllllIlIIllIII]

@Dove Dave i actually had this game on my PS3 before

[@futbolover10]

@@x5xinarticulate Look man I just talked to the ceo of Taco Bell, and they have completely ran out of every single thing they have because of one man called “gun truck.” Soo……

[@thegeth4293]

@@x5xinarticulate and why does it bend?

[@Ze_Zi_Animation_Studios]

I Hope they did a scene like this in Sonic Movie 3 that would be so freaking awesome.

[@gzuz4148]

Personally i hope the cold open is Shadow's backstory with Maria then about a half hour in they take in Sonic and it plays out just like this him escaping a helicopter and running through san francisco escaping a giant semi

[@Densester]

i really think sa2 and crazy taxi take place at the same city

[@capscaps04]

I think it is based of the same city.

[@subjekt0345]

Both games are for Dreamcast, but this is the GC version of SA2.

[@no.402]

capsy dash City Escape is based of San Francisco.

[@gonzalogauna46]

I think they are based in San Francisco.

[@sandraayala4728]

Unshakeable Spirit so as crazy taxy

[@dizzycoffee4041]

i love how the song stops at a certain point abruptly. then just casually starts over a bit later

[@bigpun2k6]

i think its cause he picked up the power up ability upgrade of the sneakers. makes sonic faster and changes music like invincibility does as well. it coincides when he picks it up @ 0:54 and when music changes

[@blotterdowney8075]

@@bigpun2k6 that’s exactly why

[@nahomgirma5095]

I know Green Hill Zone is iconic for several reasons, but this level is WAY better! Not only do you get arguably the best song in the entire Sonic franchise(and that is saying a lot since Sonic always has good music) but the level feels always like an adrenaline rush! You are constantly at high speed, beating enemies, grinding on rails and running away from the cops. This level has it all.

[@stardustpie1992]

2:18 1 of the biggest jump scares in the franchise

[@ShinsBeShot]

Stardust Pie How is that truck catching up to sonic!

[@ShinsBeShot]

Plus that truck is literally towering over buildings

[@claireabow2009]

Who’s driving that truck?

[@literallcrow5372]

i got scared seeing that big ass truck the first time i played

[@JoeyGodsey]

The driver committed like 6 felonies in 20 second

[@OmegaChase1002]

Still the highest rated Sonic game on Metacritic.

[@SonicRoarinWaters]

Sonic Mania

[@OmegaChase1002]

@@SonicRoarinWaters nope. this game actually ranks higher than sonic mania on metacritic. at least, vanilla adventure 2 does.

[@deanmoriarty6015]

which is weird because the only good parts of this game are the Speed stages, which are like less than 30% of the game lol

[@OmegaChase1002]

@@deanmoriarty6015 the treasure and mech stages are not bad.

[@deanmoriarty6015]

OmegaChase1002 yeah they are lmao. the mech stages are just tapping A 500 times for 6 minutes with blocky, slow platforming and the treasure hunting is more blocky, slow platforming but with a radar that is almost completely unhelpful

[@KmKatsuko]

1:09 Perfect Timing of Synchronism :3

[@punkfluff3395]

1:59 Perfect timing of synchronizing at this part, too.

[@apachelol]

0:10 Me, when Sega announces Dreamcast 2:

[@juanluisgalindo7104]

Is real or fake?

[@BlackScreen-e8w]

@@juanluisgalindo7104ITS REAL, IM CURRENTLY OUTRUNNING THE POLICE WITH A DREAMCAST 2 AND 3 ON MY HANDS

[@juanantoniozamorano]

In reality the Dreamcast 2 is the first Xbox, Sega advised Microsoft in the development of this console, it only sees the similarities of the first controls.

[@lexsmith722]

Dude stole the Dreamcast💀

[@CJPooz]

Ah, nostalgia! I’ll never forget this awesome game from my childhood! And talk about the music! So amazing and memorable!

[@ShMartinJo]

I’ve never played this game. So why is it I feel so much nostalgia from this? I can literally smell spring/summery Saturday morning / afternoon suburb / city vibes of the late 90s / early 2000s from this alone. A tear legit rolled out of my eye without me even realizing I was homesick for an era that is forever lost. Sounds over dramatic, I know.

[@lab_discovera]

yuji naka escaping from the cops:

[@SonicMagico]

xd

[@neru1584]

He's been arrested multiple times, so he's done this shit more than once

[@derekmaullo2865]

Not funny. Prove it

[@0n1c420]

@@neru1584oh shit

[@nickson_2024]

So glad to hear this game is getting alot of love back since sonic movie 3 ❤💯

[@sonicgangs4946]

The lyrics of this opening theme are seeds placed in your brain

[@HondacivictypeR777]

Im so happy i got to play this as a child i spent so many hours on this game, im 34 years old now and I am still a fan of Sonic, some things will never change. 💙

[@Ancor_Vantian]

Dude, I used spend _hours_ as a kid just playing around and raising my family of those chaos little dudes(?)

[@TheGoldenHawaiianSwordsmanDrag]

The Golden Hawaiian Swordsman Dragon HIGHLY AGREES! He played THIS at 12 years in Macon, Georgia and it was too dang fun!

[@fynnthecarrotman6174]

I love how that whole ass truck can keep up with sonic.

[@EzloxShanks]

What an epic stage. It’s kinda like open world since then. Brings back those memories. - from Japan

[@bradwatson5024]

2:18 is my favorite part. I used to play this game and City Escape is still my favorite stage! And i love the song that goes with it too! :)

[@mr.h4294]

It's called "the mad convoy race" if you wanna find it. But yes, the G.U.N. Truck is definitely the best part

[@georgegeorge1366]

The way this truck made that horrifying turn gave me literal chills 2:31

[@ejtamayo5317]

This is my favorite sonic level of all time. I remember playing this game as a kid on my ds and hearing this song blasting in the background while playing this level, man it brings back so many memories

[@thetruej7872]

If G.U.N. is trying to protect Central City, why is the truck destroying the city? MAKES NO SENSE!

[@dalaxdercrisper957]

Because they are so obessed trying to capture Sonic. That's why.

[@thetruej7872]

saifuddin jamil All that for Sonic and he didn't even do anything? G.U.N. can be stupid sometimes.

[@marcosgalvis3498]

Same Military Organization who killed all researchers of Project Shadow and a little 12 year old girl.

[@thetruej7872]

Marcos Galvis Why did G.U.N. kill Maria? No wonder Shadow wanted to destroy the world.

[@no.402]

Jalen Payton They killed Maria so there wouldn't be any witnesses after the ARK raid. And they blamed Sonic for Shadows crimes, so the public wouldn't discover Shadow's existence.

[@lazylad1509]

This is a certified Yuji Naka moment

[@bean_eater1209]

Me: whats in your mouth My dog:

[@Abejaved]

I've been playing this game for around 10 years, and I have never seen such a perfect attempt as this. Wow

[@fabio__reis]

this was average

[@fabio__reis]

look up a few speedruns of this game, you won't be anything less than mindblown

[@MrBubblecake]

Clearly you didn’t play that much because i remember grinding this level specifically till I got 100% and so did most of my friends

[@itwarren2012]

This level is a cannon event in my childhood development.

[@zlvno]

So true

[@Porterbandz__]

Man I just went to see the sonic movie with my daughter and instantly thought about this game and level and had to come watch it 😊felt like a kid all over again

[@dante340]

City Escape is modeled after San Francisco, which is a major set piece in the live action movie... Coincidence? I think not! lol

[@sevvycat2]

Even funnier when you learn hedgehogs are banned in california

[@S.K.R.E.Inc.]

@@sevvycat2 No wonder Sonic is wanted man in this level

[@Kwatcher100]

That was an illegal left by the way.

[@FreshPrincex4]

@@sevvycat2 seriously? Out of all animals. Hedgehogs? Lol

[@cs0345]

@@FreshPrincex4 Because kids want them as pets because of the sonic franchise, and there's the risk they'll release them into the wild and become an invasive species

[@AbbaJoe26]

Damn.................Played SO well!! A thing of beauty. Truely worthy of the theme song. Thanks for making a perfect gameplay vid to the music.

[@TotalRaMpAgE981]

0:45 I wonder if that movie has dropped...

[@mandyplodek639]

It dropped only in slovakia I mean obviously im not lying right?

[@jesseking1403]

I loved the first one. Hope the sequel is amazing!

[@TheBoltrower]

It will be better than the Sonic Movie.

[@IMNTV]

@@jesseking1403 yeah I watched the first one too, that ending got me though

[@futabamajima]

It finally has!

[@amariahdixon1920]

Childhood memories! Loved this game! This was one of the main Sonic games my younger brother and I played.

[@Miguel92398]

Level 1-7 in Sonic Frontiers is basically City Escape's rail section (all of them). The end of the level is where the truck chase scene at. Ik Frontiers reuse, short, and rehash past levels but with the skin of Green Hill, Chemical Plant, Sky Sanctuary, and Speed Highway, it's fun to taste a bit of nostalgia with those cyber spaces.

[@sesh8606]

That truck was terrifying, also the bass in these sound tracks is phenomenal

[@VidoeGamesForEver]

This was one of best sonic levels in the whole sonic franchise.

[@destinynoir2004]

Ahhh the nostalgia! This is one of my favorite level and when I was playing it as kid I always jammed in the song going crazy with it. Best thing that ever happened to me! 😇

[@JayDoesNotKnow]

this really resonates with me as it was literally the ONLY game my young and stupid mind knew how to navigate at my age: so instead of playing the full game, id just play city escape over and over again

[@lazuliartz9008]

Wow this brings back memories I used to love sonic and I have almost all of the games including this one. I still like sonic and play my old games but I’m not as active on them. These games were definitely the best.

[@futbolover10]

aw yeah this is happening! *proceeds to skateboard through an entire city, destroying anything and everything in his path, while being chased by a truly massive truck that is set on running sonic over.*

[@Sly88Frye]

I don't think you can play much better than that. That was amazing!

[@sproggs]

This was so satisfying to watch. Although my own brain was hoping for the "Too easy! Piece of cake!" voice line at the end.

[@BunnyTPerson]

I love how the vocals start exacly when the soldier stops talking

[@menartd2618]

Great timing!

[@js100serch]

If you watched Sonic 2, you know the 3rd movie has to open with this scene!!!.

[@Kcashgunna]

for real for real, I was sitting in the theater getting blasted by nostalgia for 2hrs. They are doing sonic immaculately

[@GiovanniKody100]

Yuji Naka a few weeks later:

[@ZetsubouZolo]

1:39 was ALWAYS so satisfying, young me got so hyped over running through a looping. dunnno how many times I replayed this game as a kid and played the co-op levels with my brother but it was a blast for ages

[@Arson_Indria]

Chris-Chan this very moment.

[@capam15]

Son of a bitch, you beat me to it

[@YourMakingMeNervous]

Man, this brings back so many memories of playing dreamcast at my friend's house. Great game...

[@RyanKing00]

my reaction to the G.U.N. truck "HOLY FUCKING CHRIST! WHAT THE SHIT IS THAT?!?!"

[@amazingtechnology1481]

A beast truck

[@alexusmaguilar]

I haven’t seen/heard this in at least 10 years. Thanks!!

[@Rais-Codex]

Yuji Naka running from the cops:

[@sandraayala4728]

Attention all units, suspect headed south. Block all roads and capture the suspect!

[@RaulSGO]

This has to be the intro for the third movie

[@vinceniederman]

OMG My Mind Will Go Crazy As a Sonic Fan Myself If This Song Appears in The 3rd Movie!

[@juneru2]

For real they've had 2 movies to do it so third times the charm I say

[@billny33]

Thank you for showing me how this level should be played. This was a kickass run.

[@nitsuj182]

This is how they should have opened the sonic movie !!!

[@mekacrab]

No. They shouldn't have opened the movie at all, because it has no reason to exist

[@katylepetsos7512]

Feuille de saule Well, thankfully they decided to not release it until it actually looks like it’s worth watching, they’re redesigning Sonic too before the actual release. And maybe they’re changing the whole plot too.

[@Z5Z5Z5]

That would be terrifying

[@uncoolstamps7320]

@@mekacrab You realize this is exposing sonic to more people and getting sega an income that will (hopfully) motivate them to make there games good. but like hate on the movie i guess

[@mekacrab]

@@uncoolstamps7320 Their games were not good not because they had not enough money, but because they had no idea what they were doing. They don't need a movie to get motivation, making a good game and see it succeed should be enough motivation.

[@anthonyvo1963]

The most iconic Sonic Adventure 2 level ever made

[@cathyn7553]

NOSTALGIA is killing me

[@OmegaVideoGameGod]

One of my favorites really gives us a feeling on how sonic himself feels living in the moment.

[@demarrio9061234]

Man me and cousins played the hell out this level collecting the green chaos drives😢.. good times. Take me back.

[@zyphyris]

one of the best opening stages to a game ever

[@kylebovet]

hey guys remember when Sega actually made good games?

[@321SPONGEBOLT]

+Kyle Bovet The way I see it, they should get smart and make "Sonic Adventure 3" exclusive to the Wii U. And I know just how to do it. Like the Gamecube versions of the first two Sonic Adventures, the Chao Garden feature would used again, only this time, you can store all of your Chao drives (red, yellow, green, and purple) and animals you collected from levels in some sort of containment unit. Speaking of Chao gardens, Chao Karate and Races are back, and so would the Chao school. Quite possibly, there could also be an online option if you wish to have your Chao compete with someone else's via Miiverse. In the Chao garden you can choose to be Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and Amy (Our main heroes) as well as Dr Eggman (The major villain). I'm also thinking that aside from Roger Craig Smith, Sean Astin (who voices Raphael on "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles") could tackle the leading role as Sonic, since I figured he sounds pretty identical.

[@DestinyAbsol]

+321SPONGEBOLT Wasn't Sonic Heroes the "Sonic Adventure 3"?

[@RyanKing00]

that was a long time ago.....

[@adjDeJesus]

DestinyAbsol No, is Sonic 2006. Sorry but is true.

[@CrasherX2000]

Hey Sonic Adventure 2 still has it fair share of flaws

[@calvinspiff4348]

The Soap shoe advertising is hilarious. Everyone wanted those in middle school

[@Christopher-z3e9j]

"this is a really cool level" 2:19 "WHAT THE FUCK"

[@kevinmckay2483]

This brings back so many childhood memories

[@vklkg5486]

I’m ngl if I could go back in time for this moment I would. The beginning noise before it even starts 💔💔😩 I miss life before adulthood

[@Magical_Trash]

That truck always scared the CR@P OUTTA ME 😅😂😂

[@amt1179]

yuji naka moment

[@duckalot]

This song is emblazoned into my soul. Also my childhood self is in awe of your control skills.

[@AntFaiellaArt]

It’s 2021 now: -Sonic Generations will be 10 years old this year. -Sonic Adventure 2 will be 20 years old... -The first Sonic game will be 30 year old this June.... Happy 30th Anniversary Sonic the Hedgehog!!!

[@XenoMobilePhones]

why do I see you everywhere-

[@InitialDrifterZ]

I’ll never forget popping this game into my Dreamcast, listening to Sonic’s one liners, and being tossed straight into street boarding while Escape from the City was playing. It didn’t get cooler than that! SONIC COOL! lol

[@NeckTown2524LifeGaming]

I missed this game

[@SuperMarioMinecrafter321]

+Diego Hernandez So is the Shadow fight

[@UwStoorzender]

@justin It still is?

[@TheBoltrower]

@Tal Ken Generations is good imo.

[@djtheking9764]

Same here.

[@Lu1zh1]

U can play it on steam with ps4controller m8.

[@Splatt707]

Ahhhh my childhood Need to play this again *grabs gamecube*

[@LasagnaBowl]

Hilarious

[@IMNTV]

*Grabs PS2*

[@reginadeleon1911]

Nexus TV good joke u can’t play it on ps2

[@reginadeleon1911]

Grabs ps3 and PS4

[@reginadeleon1911]

Or grabs pc

[@dariussparkes7080]

Just feels like yesterday I was playing this game as a child. Nostalgia... so powerful and ultimately sad.

[@JsXP-c3e]

Memories unlocked...Good feelings acquired!

[@austinl4915]

These were the days that we didn’t know we would look back as grownups wishing we could go back

[@kevinmckay2483]

Facts

[@zacwoods]

Just think about the fact that this level was so beloved, they created an entire game where he’s racing around on the same type of board not long afterwards.

[@tmcttf8087]

*Yuji Naka is going to have to do this soon......*

[@newyorkpotioncastle]

This takes me back to my gamecube days

[@kevinmckay2483]

Yessir

[@squiddokez]

How the creator of sonic got arrested 🤣👌

[@TheOneAndOnLEE.]

This was my introduction to 3D Sonic games. I didn’t have a Dreamcast growing up so I didnt play the first Sonic Adventure until several years later, but I got this on the GameCube because I loved the Genesis era Sonic games. This level, the music, the attitude, and not to mention finishing it off with that awesome truck chase. This is probably my favorite level in any video game ever.

[@johnlong765]

I remember being almost this good at this game. Ah the good ol days.

[@juneru2]

The perfect example of how even an easy level can make you feel like a badass.

[@truekhmer00]

This game made me buy soaps( the grinding shoes ) lol. The funniest week till i faceplanted and moms gave them away😭

[@diamondyoshi6649]

"Whew. That was cool!" describes this gameplay and this level.

[@NA-yx4wc]

Honestly, ska rock fits Sonic so well

[@jmpbasound]

They better put this song in the Sonic 3 movie

[@alexanderchristiansen1018]

This game, this music, the childhood

[@fernandoglucosa6279]

Cris chan in this moment

[@rainretribute9852]

I only played Sonic Adventure 1, but I still need to play this one

[@xcalibur64]

You should play this, it's amazing.

[@IncarnateZ]

ikr

[@n00z94]

Gabriel Payne what a loser, u missed an awesome game

[@bluewulv]

@@xcalibur64 Most of it is, yes. ^^ Same with SA1. The only real issues I have with SA2 are only one or two camera issues that only happened once and the lack of editing for the english dub

[@sonicsticknodes9804]

@@xcalibur64 can I play it on Xbox 360 ?

[@accounttuserr]

My childhood just flashed before my eyes rn

[@XenoMobilePhones]

when I was like 5, my older brother bought a Dreamcast. I was expecting the music to be like the songs In the original genesis/mega drive games. But when I heard the music, in was like WHAT THE- and I always watched him play on his dreamcast. The sick beats in this game is due to the Dreamcast's 64-polyphonic sound-thing instead of the 32/16-bit beep's in the original Genesis or Mega drive consoles.

[@zcatcher8955]

Talk about no budget flights... no food or movies, I'm outta here, I like taking a part of the helicopter and use it as a board better.