Sonicmodell Binary "Walkaround" and Maiden

Here's the Binary built and flown. Links below, and some more info below those!
Binary Kit - bit.ly/2JbY5Fd
Power combo and others - bit.ly/2IFHBVx
JX 180º pan servo - bit.ly/2ESLiae
Partom 800mW 1.3GHz vTX - bit.ly/2IyIsr2
Eagle 2 Pro FPV Camera - bit.ly/2EMbsNr
Eagle Tree Vector - amzn.to/2XkblBL
ESC Covers - www.thingivers...
Pan/Tilt - www.thingivers...
I forgot to mention it in the video, but if you notice the satellite count isn't as high as it should be with the V2 GPS using Glonass. The UBEC I'm using is a bit noisy and preventing it from getting more. I may swap over to using one of the internal BECs in the ESCs for the next flight. Using that one I can easily lock 15+ satellites on the ground. I usually prefer an external one, but not if it's going to reduce my GPS precision and reliability... lol This being a relatively smaller airframe, and my decision to install everything in the fuselage means I need to be diligent in selecting "clean" components (EMI wise) and spacing them as good as I can to make the most of it.
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[@ShawnG_FPV]

Man watching these videos of the Binary sold me on picking one of these up, thanks for sharing your experience with this plane, cant wait to get mine and start the assembly process.

[@bonafidepirate]

It's a great plane, fun to fly! I hope you like yours as much as I like mine! lol

[@ShawnG_FPV]

@@bonafidepirate Gonna head over to Thingiverse and print your esc covers and pan and tilt as well. Thanks!

[@robertasjuscius1092]

Your Videos always make my happy :) i'll buy trough your link

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

Good looks homie deserves it

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks! The support is always appreciated and what makes this channel work! lol

[@showboatfpv9677]

I clicked those affiliate links for both the kit and the power combo! Thanks for the great content!

[@North49RC]

You are talking power on your launch, love twins for that, and stability. Great vid

[@RobisonRacing68]

So much water..... Thanks Keith. Looks pretty nice. I bet Andrew will like it too.

[@bonafidepirate]

I'm really looking forward to his video too! He does a great job getting a different perspective from the ground as well as FPV! lol

[@aerofpv2109]

Another great review Keith. Kinda reminds me of the hobby king Skymule. That taxi after landing without wheels was priceless man. Cheers to you & your fantastic channel.

[@bomberaustychunksbruv4119]

That's def one of your best video's, the info and relaxed way you did the initial flight with the Vector showing setting up trims and the explanation is spot on, I am about to maiden a Skyhunter with a vector and you've just given us all a perfect How-To for anyone doing it for the first time.Also that plane does look really good, I am seriously considering one as a twin is on my bucket list, and I have a spare Vector too. I will buy one through your link - thanks for posting the video.

[@bonafidepirate]

Glad you liked it! I think the Vector is a perfect match for this one. I flew so good right from the first launch, and especially once it was all trimmed and flying straight and level. lol I really am looking forward to getting more airtime with this one, as soon as the weather calms down and let me!

[@Hyprmtr]

I bet it would take off from the ground if the props clear the grass! It seems to have great power. I wonder if it would carry two 5200mah battery packs.

[@Starbuckin]

The Taxi at the end WOW! Great vid brother and this looks like the plane that will replace my dream of having a MTD as long as this one actually has support and spare parts available!

[@bonafidepirate]

I'm convinced this one will take off the grass without the landing gear... haha The props do tend to chew up the grass though. On a hard surface they're kinda close to hitting. I'm tempted to grab a spare a for this one just in case. I want it in my hanger for a long time. ;)

[@Starbuckin]

@@bonafidepirate Yeah, looks like a keeper. But if you want to take off from your indoor ground station like I do with my Apprentice you could build a launch platform just like I did. Wooden platform with a rail of Teflon would probably work nicely.

[@FPVREVIEWS]

Design is pretty much a scale model of a Tecnam. Good place to start in the design process. Counter rotating twins will be more efficient than most comparable models with only one motor/prop, especially pushers due to lower disk loading.. handling will be better too due to no slipstream effect, no torque effect, no P effect, and no gyroscopic precession, only gyroscopic stabilization... not sure why anyone flies single motor aircraft these days anyway.. cost of two smaller motors is the same as one larger motor. same goes for ESC's. nice setup!!

[@bonafidepirate]

Right, there's so many benefits to the way a twin handles in the air... lol I was always under the impression that they are not as efficient, but apparently it's not a big loss if any. I always like your input on airframes like this! Someone else pointed out that this was similar to the Tecnam P2006T. It's very close, apart from the retracts, winglets, and it seems this wing is tapered less than the full scale Tecnam as well.

[@North49RC]

I notice you really like the runcam eagle, at least you did awhile ago. I am looking for a decent dedicated flight cam, any suggestions? For me all the detail i can get is priority, old man eyesight and slow reflexes are setting in. Flights can happen anytime of day... actually i would be ok with a day cam and a low light cam. Or if you have any other ideas. Its all going onto the AR Wing Pro so there is a so many cam options. I do have a runcam 2 4k for the HD, and i will incorperate a pan and tilt at some point. Kinda sounds like i dont know what i want but i like diversity. Great video, thank you

[@SuperVette05]

Just ordered from your link. Just the plane I was looking for. Really enjoy your videos.

[@bonafidepirate]

Thank, it's much appreciated! It's a fun plane and I think most people would enjoy flying it... lol

[@northernfpv9562]

I used your links! So glad to hear it flies well. I was a little worried about wing loading but looks great at 5 amps!

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks! And yeah I was worried it would fly "heavy" too with the relatively small wing area, but honestly it flies great, and doesn't feel that heavy at all. It's not super floaty either, kind of a good balance I guess.

[@northernfpv9562]

bonafidepirate the question is does it deserve the Vector that’s currently in my MTD, my big Drak or my Stratosurfer?

[@bonafidepirate]

lol That's your call! I haven't flown any of those, but I'd imagine they are all some nice planes too! I'm to the point now where I need to start thinning my fleet a bit, reusing some of my old gear and grounding planes that don't get flown enough. I have some that I built several years ago sitting around waiting to fly, had have been for a few years or more... ;) I think the old Skywalker 1900 will be the first to be de-commissioned. I wonder what I could put that RVOSD into... lol

[@northernfpv9562]

bonafidepirate exactly! The MTD and big Drak are so big that they get limited flight opportunities since I live in a city. The big Drak is a bit extreme from a noise, speed size and weight perspective to fly much.

[@KraziIvan]

Love these longer format flight videos.

[@Devil6CR]

I never used a vector fc. Looks good for planes, lots of info.

[@Tenright77]

Nicely done Kieth. Thanks for all the info. Seems like the tractor drives are quieter from the ground than the pusher configuration.

[@bonafidepirate]

Yeah, even being a twin it's not that loud. In theory it should be more efficient with the props grabbing clean air too.

[@jimh.5286]

You weren't much over the altitude of 400'. During flight the OSD showed 436'. But after landing, sitting on the grass, the OSD still showed 29'. If you zeroed the altimeter at hand-launch altitude, about 7', then the max. altitude achieved was 400"! LOL Great review!

[@bonafidepirate]

I like the way you think! lol I wonder if I could zero the altimeter at cloud base and keep going? :D

[@ctbully]

That Vectpr OSD is Amazing !

[@bonafidepirate]

I agree! lol

[@rodneys9805]

just ordered mine because of you, great videos brother !!!!

[@papylecelte9916]

Hi Rodney, Can you confirm to me that the Mapping camera bay assembly did not come in your box with the plane and come like the landing gear in a separate box like sold separately? Regards

[@rodneys9805]

@@papylecelte9916 i ordered my kit from ebay, it came in the kit

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

Great vid fam!

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks! BTW Send me an email with what you needed for the camera mount, we never go that squared away! lol

[@anthonysmith9765]

Another question could you make a video on how to put the rates on a 3 position switch?

[@perfodemo]

Hi Keith, thanks for the awesome coverage. My Binary is almost complete identical to yours. One quick question: may I able to set up manual dual rates (50%, 70%, 100%) on my transmitter without affecting the Vector? Do I need to change anything on Vector settings or is just happening between the transmitter and the receiver? Thanks a lot!

[@bonafidepirate]

You can use rate in your transmitter like normal, just be sure to have 100% rate when you run the wizard in the Vector, otherwise it will think your reduced rates are full throw and treat them as such. ;) Once everything is set up though, you're free to use lower rates, that's what I have set up too, triple rates on a switch... lol

[@perfodemo]

bonafidepirate - That’s very useful to have. I can’t think of one without it! I appreciate it. Keep the good videos coming!

[@terrymurphy562]

Fantastic plane and you described it nicely. You mentioned that you didn’t use the switching bec that is with the 40amp esc. Did you solder in a separate bec and if so,what ones did you use and did you use one in each wing? Thanks for the excellent video.

[@TrevorThePilot]

I really like the Vector hints and tips which are included. Most useful. Could you explain what the "Log" in the top LHS of the Vector display is about. I can't find it in the Vector manual. Cheeers, Trevor.

[@bonafidepirate]

The Vector logs a bunch of data that you can review later if needed. That display on the OSD is just a percentage of the space used, just a reminder to clear it before a flight if I need/want to. Look on page 82 of the current manual (www.eagletreesystems.com/Manuals/vector.pdf) for info about the data logging. Page 119 mentions the OSD item "Logger Buffer % Used"

[@gordchesterfield1529]

Keith, to use the bec to power the rx and the servos, are you plugging in the bec to the servo rail of the Vector and ultimately powering the rx from the loop back to the rx through the Ail wire? Or is there some other method that you are using/recommend? Thanks.

[@2007crf450r]

do you set your radio trims on the radio back to zero after you have incorporated your radio trims on the vector

[@Glenn.J]

Fantastic video. Just wanted to get your thoughts on dragon link vs crossfire for RC control? (Asking because wondering how would that Vtx work alongside tbs crossfire.)

[@jmp29]

Hi bonafidapirate. How is it possible to have so nice and crisp video osd ? Is there any trick getting osd layers and overlay on hd video ? Since 4 years in fpv, I would really like to have this level of quality. Please make a dedicated video perhaps aroud this subject because it's so much important in FPV and pleasure to watch our video again is better when video is clear. I own Vector, UVector and Arduplane and various board but still love your videos, always very informative. Without you, I will probably miss a lot of things aroud eagle tree Vector and tuning.

[@rodeopilot7495]

Great video 👍👍, after a couple of years owning the binary what would you do differently on setting up this plane again?

[@hcmaclub5905]

Do u know the thrust/amp data for the motors in the power pack? I have looked everywhere and can’t find any info at all.

[@AussieJas79]

Excellent video mate... good job

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks!

[@johnhanks3012]

I have this model and have planed to outfit w/ cameras and GPS. I would love to install with equipment you have, would you please provide? Great footge!

[@richardk100]

Beautiful plane bud. I am jealous.

[@christopherstarzyk9209]

First! LOL I've been waiting. Was about to go to bed, glad I held on =P. This plane looks buttery smooth. I would love to hear the sound of the twin motors on a future flight. I know you normally don't use flight audio, but maybe a sample?

[@bonafidepirate]

It's funny you mention the audio... lol Normally I DO use it, if you notice in the beginning you can see the audio wire is ran to the camera to use it's internal mic. The audio was good while flying, but I had my software I record with on my PC set up not to record the audio, since I'd been flying some other planes lately that don't have mics in them. My bad! lol I'm making myself a note to fix that right now so I'll have it in the next one. ;) ...and yes, it's smoooth!

[@christopherstarzyk9209]

Awesome Keith looking forward to it!

[@christophbader3713]

Hei, great video as always! I have a question about the Binary. I was thinking of ordering a spare pare of wings for it and planing a mod: Lengthen the wingspan about the area of the flaps of the spare wings. Idea would be, that it could fly slower, when needed and maybe carring a little more. Do you think, that would make any sense - you have flown it several times... Is it a stupid idea? ;)

[@richardmark4385]

Is it possible to order rtf kits with a controller like a skyhunter or fx wing type

[@richardmark4385]

I wonder if floats good be added to the binary

[@sparkles9868]

Any chance of a update to your shed setup ie how you get the signals out of your shed to your planes

[@bonafidepirate]

I haven't really changed anything since the last "tour". I fly with the Dragonlink inside with me, it just works through the walls no problem. My video receivers sit outside on a tripod wired back into the shed using ethernet cables to keep it clean and easy.

[@donieoliqs2739]

Hi pirate, just curious, how did you mount the motor from the wooden plate? Did you use the metal X mount or you screw the motor directly to the wood? The issue for me is when directly screw it to the wood, the circular clip in the shaft is touching the wood. Did you have the same issue?

[@bonafidepirate]

The motors mount directly to the wood firewalls without using X mounts. The clips did contact the wood a bit on mine too, so to be safe I removed a little material from the wood plates so there was enough clearance. I just used a small round attachment in my Dremel if I remember right.

[@donieoliqs2739]

@@bonafidepirate ok mate thanks a lot. I will do the same now likw what you did. 😃

[@DudesatRC]

Which plane do you prefer, binary or dart xl?

[@chrisj5796]

amazing build man! Do you get better range with 1.3ghz compared to 2.4ghz?

[@Thuban06]

Keith I always get so much out of your reviews! Thank you for sharing them. I ordered the model and the propulsion. I ordered the Vector. I am planning to use the airplane to learn about FPV. I am planning to use the Eaglepro 2, an ImmerionRC 5.8 ghz vTX. The only question I have is on what channel do you put the control for the pan and tilt? Thanks.

[@bonafidepirate]

I usually just put them on the next two in line after everything else... lol On this one I have the Dragonlink receiver set up with all channels on sbus, the last one (ch.12) being RSSI. That runs into the Vector for the main 4 channels controlling ailerons, elevator, throttle, and rudder. 5 and 6 are mode and submode. 7 and 8 are pan and tilt, those two are also mapped to two of the PWM outputs in the receiver with the servos plugged directly to it. 9 was used to turn the lights on and off until I pulled the controller out... lol I'll see if I can get that sorted and back in the plane soon. The only thing to consider if you have a receiver with limited outputs that you can't configure, you might want to move pan and tilt down to lower channels that you can run directly off the receiver, say 5 and 6. Then use some of the higher channels in the sbus stream for mode and submode in the Vector.

[@Thuban06]

@@bonafidepirate Perfect. Thank you very much for taking the time to share your expertise. I am just waiting on the slow boat from China. Anxious to get this airplane!!

[@fpv-tech]

Hi where is the cg on this plz ?

[@DerrickWoolworth]

I have that same issue with my Vectors - course corrections with aileron always feel a bit odd and jerky. I've tried reducing Stabilizer Responsiveness to 2 or 1 and it has no impact. I really kind of wish ETS would look at that and try to fix the smoothness with aileron adjustments.

[@bonafidepirate]

Yeah mine have always done it. I just kind of got used to it, there doesn't seem to be a way to get rid of that I've found. I also usually overshoot the correction a bit, because I know that when the sticks are centered again the Vector will kind of correct back a bit towards the original heading before settling down on a new one... lol It really doesn't like user input when holding set course I guess.

[@josipvrandecic2472]

Well done...thanks for sharing.

[@FPVREVIEWS]

Wondering if 9inch props will fit on it? will they clear the fuselage? thanks!

[@bonafidepirate]

They will physically fit, but juuust barely. If I remember right, there's about 1/4" clearance at most. I can double check if you'd like, let me know and I'll get a measurement next time I'm out there in the shop!

[@FPVREVIEWS]

@@bonafidepirate tha'ts cool. thanks.

[@Koestel-FPV]

what is the weight total please?

[@SuperVette05]

do you or anyone you know of custom 3D print pan Tilts for the Run Cam and Caddx? Really like your design and hesitant to order a 3D Printer myself because not sure if I'm capable of using it. lol

[@HalfFPV]

very clean, love it!

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks!

[@JRAllen_RCFlyer]

Great video, Ive watched it many times. What VTX and antenna are you using?

[@bonafidepirate]

I have a 800mW Partom vTX, the antenna is a little loaded monopole design that used to come with some old Racewood gear. I don't think they're made anymore, but a typical dipole is a slightly better antenna anyway. I have a few of these and used them in placed where the physically fit better.

[@toypilot9811]

Awesome review. I wish they'd made it 1400mm wingspan just for the extra carrying capacity but good all the same! What AUW do you think it could carry without getting bad characteristics?

[@bonafidepirate]

I wouldn't mind seeing a slightly larger version either, but this does seem to work... I can't say at what point you'd start to "feel" the weight. This one as flown here is about 1770g. Sonicmodell did say they've flown one loaded down at 3Kg and it flew, but I'm guessing it was heavy at that point. lol I did make it a point to keep this one somewhat lighter, I left out the flaps, landing gear, etc. for now. If you really wanted to you could use a smaller battery, leave out the lights, etc. to save even more weight. I don't think I'd worry too much though, it flies so good like it is I wouldn't try to improve it!

[@austntexan]

I was really interested in the Eagle 1.3 vtx. You decided against installing it, did you have any issues with it our just wanted to go with something else. I noticed they use a switching reg to buck the voltage down, do you think that would cause issue on the 433 and/or sat acquistion?

[@bonafidepirate]

I actually did install it first, but had some issues so I swapped it out with the 800mW Partom. With the Eagle, I was having trouble getting a good GPS lock. To be fair though, I ran into other issues with this build and RF noise. The LED light controller cuts the UHF range down a lot, so I took it out. The first UBEC I had in it was also hurting the GPS performance. Being a relatively smaller fuselage and the way I laid out the gear in it instead of moving parts out in the wings, any noise will be a bigger problem than if it were on a larger airframe with gear spread out better. I will try to use that vTX in a different plane at some point, where I can get it out in the wing away from other gear.

[@d.b.cooper]

How are you operating the pan and tilt mechanism? Are you using a toggle switch that allows you to use a combination of sticks or are you using sliders on your radio?

[@bonafidepirate]

Sliders on the radio. I prefer using the rudder stick for pan, but this one has a rudder... lol

[@mdh2006]

I didnt realize you lived in the US. What state. I still got a 55MHZ radio and receiver from my TH .40 trainer, that will do long range won't it? I'm currently flying freestyle quads, but I have my bixler hanging up. I'd like to get that back in the air again before we lose the summer. I had a pan and tilt fpv on that one too, its alot of fun.

[@bonafidepirate]

55MHz? The old analog AM/FM radios were either 72MHz for air, 75MHz for surface, or 27MHz for either. In the early days of FPV, people were using 72MHz because 2.4GHz was as popular yet, or as good as it is now, and 72MHz could do more range using gear we already had. Today though, it's definitely not the best, or even "good"... by modern standards... lol Being analog it's a lot more vulnerable to noise than a digital 2.4 system like FrSky. A good UHF system will walk all over it. ;) Seriously though, even a basic 2.4GHz FrSky system available today will do a better job, assuming your video system plays well with it. 1.3GHz can sometimes be an issue and need filters to work well alongside 2.4, and obviously a 2.4 video system is a no-go. There's plenty of cheap 5.8 gear that will match a good 2.4 radio that works great together though. I'm in Louisiana BTW

[@mdh2006]

@@bonafidepirate Ya I thought I heard you say "The bayou", your right, it's 72MHZ. It was the Tower Hobbies system 3000, I got with a nitro trainer. Man that was a fun plane, but very messy. Those nitro engines will spew fuel all over everything. Ya 1.3 is close to half of 2.4, so it can interfere. I think I learned that in HAM Radio class. I will be sticking to 2.4, I was just curious. Thanks. I live in MI btw. Your area looks similar except all the water, but we've had a very wet spring and summer up here so that's why I was wondering.

[@fwing]

Great video. Forced me to order one ;-)

[@bonafidepirate]

lol I'm glad you like the video! I bet you'll like the plane even more though. ;)

[@fwing]

@@bonafidepirate I'm pretty sure I will ;)

[@SuperVette05]

Where is the center of gravity?

[@ahatoni]

Hi Keith, which battery have you used to get to the 1770g AUW? Btw, thank you for the great videos!! Best Regards Mike

[@bonafidepirate]

I use a 4S 5200 pack - hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-high-capacity-5200mah-4s-12c-multi-rotor-lipo-pack-w-xt60.html

[@flighttherapybullisticfpv133]

Hey man, love your videos! I am about to order the parts for my first aerial mapping rig, i dont have a ton of experience with fixed wing RC planes but im jumping in head first lol This platform seems exceedingly stable, would you reccomend it for actual aerial survey work? Also how long is the flight time on the battery you are using?

[@bonafidepirate]

I've never flown a plane for mapping, so I really can't say... lol This is the only flight I've done so far with this one, but based on the amp draw and cruise I'm guessing about 45 minutes or so, maybe a little more if you keep the throttle low.

[@rcfreakamit]

Great review, thanks!

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks for watching! lol Glad you liked it.

[@pasifpv5508]

How did you setup your pan/tilt in your radio? If you let the sticks go the servo's stay in this position. Mine will return the the home position

[@bonafidepirate]

I'm controlling them with the sliders on side of the Taranis, they stay where you put them and don't center.

[@ShawnG_FPV]

Hey Keith is using a Go pro 4 for HD video acceptable for this plane if so is there a 3d mount? Thanks!

[@bonafidepirate]

I'm sure it will fly, but personally I liked the smaller camera setup to keep it lighter and with less drag. I think the Hybrid is a perfect match, great analog video feed and HD video too.

[@ShawnG_FPV]

@@bonafidepirate You thinking the Caddx Tarsier, Ive been eyeballin that one.

[@EnglishTurbines]

Looks like a nice bird m8,....Climbs like a homesick angel on that little 5200 Lipo....I was concerned about the hand launch but the twin contra props negated the risks, obviously.....This plane looks like it can take a 10 amp Lipo and 1 hour flight times. Like to hear the audio feed from this one....what happened..? Pan and tilt looks a polished design. Nice review, well done.

[@bonafidepirate]

The audio is working well, I just forgot to turn it on in the recording software... lol I'd turned it off when flying some other planes without audio recently, so I didn't get all the static while flying. Next one will have sound. ;) I was a bit worried about the wing loading too, and the launch, but it really wants to fly... lol

[@EnglishTurbines]

Yeah, the ease at launch was pleasantly surprising, no dramas at all...Look forward to some more footage from this one.

[@longrangefpv]

Isn't it possible the 1,3 VTX is causing low sats? Had this problem too untill I rearanged the antenna

[@bonafidepirate]

Yes, it's one of the first things I checked... lol In fact I had a different transmitter on here first (T1013) that was flat out killing the GPS. It wouldn't lock at all until I swapped it for the Partom. I've spent more time than I should have over the past week dealing with EMI in this one, between the UBECs, vTXs, and the LED controller. I'm still on the fence about using one of the internal BECs in the ESCs. It's a habit I picked up years ago when NO ONE used them... It was a sure crash waiting to happen... lol To be fair, they're much better these days, and they are 3A switching ones in these ESCs. They should be fine. Next flight will be either using that, or with a different UBEC in it for sure.

[@1pattonator]

Do you have a build tutorial video?

[@matatisan]

How do you control the pan tlit system?

[@bonafidepirate]

They run as normal servos directly off the receiver, and are controlled with the sliders on the side of my radio.

[@probante]

KEITH, i am going to buy the sonic modell by using your link. I have noticed that the power combo link does NOT take me directly to the product. it takes me to a generic page with all the sonic modell spare parts. In this way i am not sure you'll get any rewards from BG. Tell me if I am wrong. If not kindly put the correct link. I'd like you to get some benefit out of your work!

[@bonafidepirate]

First, thanks for the support! I always appreciate when people care enough help... lol As far as I know, the links should work fine that way, we're usually credited for a referral even if the link isn't directly to a product.

[@FarmerFpv]

I'm guessing you're using counter rotating props you can tell how straight as an arrow it just launched out of your hand. I have a feeling this one is going to be hard to beat for 2019 got mine in the works right now except for I'll be using 6.5" props higher KV Motors for a fast point a and point B long range setup. this thing is awesome and you did an awesome job representing it. I think this is one of your videos where I wish it was actually a lot longer 😂🤣 lol The Climb rate was ridiculous almost like a 3D plane LOL I think my comments are as long as your videos haha Stay true my friend Rob

[@bonafidepirate]

Yes, the stock props with the power combo are counter rotating. I'm running them with the top blades turning inwards toward the fuselage, the usual setup for a twin. It will be interesting to see how it performs with higher kv motors. I imagine it can cruise pretty fast with the thin surfaces and streamlined fuselage. Especially if you use the canopy.

[@FarmerFpv]

@@bonafidepirate yeah that's one thing that caught my attention was it's a very aerodynamic design the fuselage all the flying surfaces look like they were designed to go fast. If I choose the right combo I think you don't have a chance at giving my mini drak a run for its money LOL. But then I'd have to buy a second one for a strictly long-range high efficiency God these things are addicting and it's partially your fault haha I hope you're having a good weekend in the weather is holding up for you to get more flying! Cheers Rob

[@donieoliqs2739]

Hi again pirate of the airspace :) uhm, did you only glue the wooden motor mount to the foam slot? Would that be enough to hold the whole propulsion system? Thanks

[@bonafidepirate]

Yep, I glued the firewalls to the foam, they're holding up fine so far. The slot in the foam is actually a little more secure than some other models I've had with firewalls just glued flat on the front of a fuselage.. lol I used "Foam-Cure" glue for EPP/EPO from Bob Smith Industries. Just about any glue that gets a good bond to both the wood and foam and isn't too brittle (like thin CA) should work OK.

[@donieoliqs2739]

@@bonafidepirate I see. Thanks BP

[@probante]

Shopping using your links...😁 Ps: links for the antenna on the vtx? thansk!

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks, I appreciate the support! :) That little antenna is an old Racewood monopole that comes with their transmitters, like this one here: www.dpcav.com/xcart/1.3GHz-A-V-Transmitter-300mW.html Ready Made R/C used to sell the antenna by itself for 2 or 3 bucks, but I can't find them anywhere now. They are OK for a medium range small/light antenna, but not as good as a dipole. DPCAV even suggests upgrading to a dipole on the page for that transmitter. I just used it because it's small honestly. I have a couple of them on other planes that work well enough. The antenna that comes with that Partom vTX will likely perform better.

[@OldGuyCarnivore]

Where did you put the CG relative to the spar? Thanks

[@bonafidepirate]

I don't have the exact measurements, but if you look on the bottom side of the wings, there's small GG marks molded in, next to the motor nacelles. I balanced mine there.

[@OldGuyCarnivore]

@@bonafidepirate thanks, are you talking about the circle under the ESC or is there a mark I'm not seeing? Is the mark inboard or outboard of the nacelle? Thanks

[@bonafidepirate]

@@OldGuyCarnivore It's a little line, outboard from the nacelles. Look in this picture you can see it ahead of the servo wire. static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/7/1/8/5/9/0/a12085777-95-BNY-20.jpg Also in this one static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/7/1/8/5/9/0/a12085773-34-BNY-18.jpg

[@MrDink7898]

Amazing video. Question: Low satellite count? How was the grip for the hand launch?

[@bonafidepirate]

Grip for launch is fine, you just have to watch powering it up, it's got enough thrust to get away from you... lol I launched at about 3/4 throttle, any more it was hard to hang onto. I found the UBEC is what's hurting the GPS count. If I swap to using one of the internal ones in the ESC I get 15+ sats on the ground. I'll use that, or replace it with a different UBEC later.

[@MrDink7898]

@@bonafidepirate thanks for the quick response. I'm really looking forward to future vids of this plane.

[@jimmytheriot8978]

Do you think it could handle 6s on stock setup of you took it easy

[@bonafidepirate]

The motors would probably be OK with smaller props, the ESCs in the power pack are only rated 2-4S though. Unless you already have 6S packs you want to use, I'd go 4S. It's got a lot of power with the stock power pack on 4S.

[@scotthendrix13]

Isn’t the vtx and radio frequencies very close to each other?

[@bonafidepirate]

Video is on 1280MHz, R/C is on 433MHz.

[@jimmytheriot8978]

You do some awesome videos , I live in Lafayette la , did you say you live in la also , i would be cool to come fly with you , you have a nice setup out there where you at

[@bonafidepirate]

Yeah I'm in Avoyelles Parish. The weather lately hasn't allowed much flying other than dodging thunderstorms here and there... lol

[@SuperVette05]

Is there a way to get one of your pan and tilts since I don't have a 3D printer?

[@bonafidepirate]

There's a number of places that offer 3D printing services, though I've never used one and can't recommend one... lol I was fortunate enough to have a few friends in a group that had printers and made a few parts for me early on, and I finally got my own printer and dove into the hobby. I don't regret it. Besides being useful for prototyping parts, I've had lots of fun learning about it all. I've now turned that first printer into a whole different machine, there's few original parts still on it... lol I have a second one that is a much better starting point for anyone intersted in getting one. (Ender 3) I've started modding it a bit recently too, but honestly it's a damn fine printer out of the box, and a few small upgrades make it excellent. Any more than that is just "because I can" kind of like most hobbies... lol If you can find someone local with a printer that will print them, I'd suggest asking a few questions and take a look, you might find it enjoyable too. I've noticed that a LOT of the 3D printing community is also part of the R/C hobby.

[@dimitriosstavrou3971]

subtitles why you don't have?

[@alexandrpetrov1110]

very good

[@MegaControltv]

Se ve genial ese avión fpv

[@DanDaMan007]

Would you mind sharing the 3D Printed pan & tilt and ESC Covers?

[@bonafidepirate]

Sure thing! I forgot about those... lol I'll add them below the video, but here they are... Covers - www.thingiverse.com/thing:3695998 and Pan/Tilt - www.thingiverse.com/thing:3717826

[@DanDaMan007]

Thanks Buddy!

[@donieoliqs2739]

Hi pirate, Is it ok to put 9inch prop to this plane? Is there still enough clearance? Thanks

[@bonafidepirate]

I'd say yes. I just measured the clearance between the tip of the prop and the fuselage with the stock 8" props, and you have about an inch of room there. Going to a 9" would leave you about a half inch before they hit.

[@donieoliqs2739]

@@bonafidepirate Wow thanks for the swift reply. Will order now 9in prop.

[@donieoliqs2739]

@@bonafidepirate Uhm one more thing, leaving me about half an inch there, do you think there's a chance of flexing the wings during strong winds may reach the fuselage by the prop?

[@bonafidepirate]

@@donieoliqs2739 I won't say it's impossible, but highly unlikely... lol Here's a picture to give a better idea of the clearance, and the closest point to hitting. I don't think I'd try any bigger than a 9" , but I think the 9s will work. i.imgur.com/akbtYiQ.jpg

[@donieoliqs2739]

@@bonafidepirate Ok got it got it. Coz 9in prop is on its way. Good thing your insights are favorable lol.

[@RickMaddoxSr]

Did you use one channel for both motors on the vector?

[@bonafidepirate]

Yes, both ESCs plugged into the throttle output with a Y lead.

[@jedslather]

They should offer a PNP model

[@myrccomedy3368]

Binary or Sky Hunter? And why? Great video as always.

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

I haven't tried the binary yet but I can promise u will love the Skyhunter all day

[@bonafidepirate]

The only easy answer, BOTH! lol They're both excellent planes, I've always said the Skyhunter is my favorite. This Binary is about as close as I've come to a contender to knock the Skyhunter off it's throne. For pure piloting, at least right now I'd lean towards the Binary, it's just so nice to fly. Maybe once the "new" wears off I'll miss the Skyhunter more but right now I'd be fine just flying this one. Where the Skyhunter still wins is being able to load down a lot more battery than you can in this one, and carry more/bigger cameras and not care. Sure Sonicmodell says they've loaded this Binary down and flown it nearly twice as heave as mine is, but will it still fly so good at that weight?

[@rodneys9805]

well i crashed mine today, but found it , seems like my rates were off, did you set everything to 50 percent , what did you set the expo too, also do you set this stuff after or before you run the wizard on the vector.

[@bonafidepirate]

Always run the wizard with everything on 100% throws, so the Vector will react as expected when reducing your rates and flying in a stabilized mode. I have triple rates, 100%, 75%, and 50%. I usually fly on 75%, or go up or down depending on what I'm doing. I don't use expo, never liked it on anything but really aerobatic and responsive planes to be honest... lol

[@rodneys9805]

@@bonafidepirate other pointers on the vector like setting wise, thanks for the help keep the videos coming, also are you running flaps

[@rodneys9805]

last question, did you adjust the servo throw also...

[@anthonysmith9765]

Hello could you tell me where you got the dragonlink rc holder from? stl file

[@bonafidepirate]

Sure! it's one of my own, largely based on another design from Thingiverse. It's posted here, along with a link to the original: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2932053 Edit: Or did you mean the rX holder... lol I quickly read your comment and thought you meant the holder for the transmitter module. Then I realized I'd showed the little receiver holder in this video. ;) That one is from Mark Qvale, you can find it on his page here: www.itsqv.com/QVM/index.php?title=Parts_Catalog_-_General_Parts#DragonLink_Parts Take a few minutes and look through is "catalog" of parts, there's a bunch of nice stuff in there.

[@anthonysmith9765]

@@bonafidepirate Thanks luv your vids

[@HomeDronen]

Nice flight!🖐️🤣👍

[@bonafidepirate]

Thank you!

[@hcmaclub5905]

Would like a way to do retracts

[@bonafidepirate]

The bay in the nose for the optional gear probably has plenty of room for a small retracting nose wheel. The main gear I'm not so sure about. There's a fair bit of room back there and the plywood battery tray extends back to where the main gear bolts in, so there's a good hard point to mount into. It might take a bit of cutting foam to figure something out there. It would certainly be cool though! I may try the fixed gear on this one eventually. I'm just not sure how well the small wheels will work in the rough grass here. It would be amazing on a paved runway though, no question!

[@richardmark4385]

I have always loved your videos, flights and explanation s but if it were possible some how to would be even better

[@bonafidepirate]

Two or three a day would be fine with me... haha Seriously though I always feel like there's something I'm leaving out. It's hard finding a balance between reasonable length and getting all the little details squeezed in... lol

[@cristianalejandroblanchero9271]

Did you develop the navigation software? . It is on sale?

[@bonafidepirate]

It's an off-the-shelf Eagle Tree Vector OSD and flight controller.

[@cristianalejandroblanchero9271]

@@bonafidepirate thanks Sr!👍👍👍

[@Jgawalters72]

What is the DVR you are using to record with the OSD?

[@bonafidepirate]

I recorded this with a USB capture device on my PC in my shop where I fly from. ;)

[@CarftyCarper]

@@bonafidepirate Do you use any post processing to cleanup the video.?

[@anthonysmith9765]

Hey are you using head tracking?

[@bonafidepirate]

No, I manually control pan and tilt with the sliders on my Taranis

[@SonicModellOfficial]

AWESOME!

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks! For the comment and the awesome plane! :D

[@jwtfpv8957]

Nice!

[@bonafidepirate]

Thanks!

[@sportducati29]

good evening brother could you make me the ESC Covers with your 3d printer. You helped me in the past &I would greatly appreciate it again if possible, I don't have printer. Thank you again!

[@MrOwusu-Arko]

CP havana you inspire me with your videos. I have a 3D printer and I can help you with your 3D printing needs. Contact me

[@grumpyjohntxredneckrc6346]

L@@Ks REALLY NICE! Thanks...

[@rcfpvchelyabinsk9338]

Классный самолёт, тоже заказал себе такой☺

[@bonafidepirate]

I hope you like it as much as I do!

[@alexandrpetrov1110]

ok