Sonny: We Should Remember

[@Idlefd]

The portraits definitely made me immediately think of Darkest Dungeon

[@Ultrox007]

I believe the term for it is "Block Shading", where shadows are drawn with a hard black for high contrast, really making the details that remain pop. (and if I'm wrong about the term please correct me because I loved the style in Comics and JoJo's)

[@super_manul1167]

Ruin has come to our family

[@Deadeye7177]

Hi there! I've played Sonny and Sonny 2 so many times I dare say that I've experienced every possible way to play them. I have some additional info for some of the things mentioned in your video! 6:30 Fun Fact: Veradux means "True Leader" in Latin! This could be a nod to the fact that Veradux seems to be more socially adept than protagonist Sonny, or that his role as a healer is of critical importance to the team. 7:15 This unintuitive interaction is caused by both games' Speed stat. At the start of a battle, the game decides which side goes first based on the average Speed of either team, and significant alterations to a character's Speed stat may result in these double turns. (Another double turn may happen for the opposite side if a Speed debuff expires) In the Ship boss encounter, Louis is made to have terribly low Speed, causing the enemy to always go first and shoot him. After that, Sonny's team average Speed goes up from not having Louis dragging it down, enough so to give him a double turn every time. 11:30 This is a valid theory! Because Sonny 2 ended on a sequel tease, players just weren't given an answer on whether it was the real tape or a decoy. 12:40 This is very, very accurate. The Cave apparently features a bizarre combination of silly jokes, references to other media, and monsters named from the usernames of actual people who helped develop Sonny 2. My favorite is Gregor the cockroach, a reference to the book The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka. 13:08 This is not true! Hew is referred to as The Dystopia by the world map. Sonny and his team never actually arrive to Utopia in Sonny 2 (which is supposedly located near the column of light you can see in the world map and cutscenes) 13:28 This happens due to the green slime/liquid of the Cave section. A tooltip mentions how people covered in the slime look as if they had green skin, just like a zombie. The workers basically assumed Sonny and Co. looked weird because of the green slime, and no one corrected them in order to blend in.

[@ВолодимирМайко-п7р]

very cool!

[@CatsLilaSalem]

As a kid who did not really understand English yet, the games where very complex but good to follow at the same time, which made the games so good for me. I did figure out what the stats did at the time, inclusing the speed interaction in battle. I liked all the different magic effects the most, and used builds based around them most times It is fascinating to learn about a game you played so much when young so many years later, and i still remember lots of things from the game despite not seeing it for so long

[@revoblam7975]

@@Deadeye7177 thank you so much for all these technical insights!! The speed for double turns system feels like the turn system you see I games like child of light, but without being explicitly told the turn speeds, and coalescing all of them into a single blob. Very unique take even if it has jank as you showed!

[@cichy133]

The game that made me realize flash games can actually be deep and longer than 10 - 60 minutes. It was truly an eye opening experience.

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

The Remake feels like "we have Sonny at home".

[@redundantfridge9764]

I think the best way to interpret the mixed feelings for the Sonny Remake is, "it feels like a mobile game". Side note, it's strange to see some "modern" indie games that use a system similar to Sonny, but don't have the same polish, depth or details.

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

One of the things that Sonny has done for me that no other game has done imo... While Sonny 1 and 2 don't have a single track that is "the absolute best ever" per say, these are the only games in which i can, to this day, remember almost all of their music as a whole, the tracks are just... They're just some amazing shit and the quality is consistent through the games, i can't recall many games in which i can confidently say "i remember their entire soundtrack fondly".

[@dingo-ringo-bingo]

Oh Sonny, the definition of a childhood nostalgia and a masterpiece of a game itself. Krin himself made truly something special at the time but I wished the whole concept of the flash game continued from that style. Again the reason why 2017 remake was so mixed is because it also has that "MOBILE GAME" mindset and it lost the charm the original had, the only really good thing that came out of it was the music truly, otherwise we lost so much from the flash games. The main problem with the remake is that the fans of the first game expected more like Sonny 1 and 2, and instead we got something completely else that just doesn't feel like a follow up from the first games and just has the look of what Krin thought people saw Sonny as which is again really sad. AGAIN, how is it possible that a REMAKE has LESS than the original first games? Krin kinda decided to disappear off the earth but I am glad the original story was polished with a modern feel just that again it was put together for very mediocre game but at least we got the legacy collection. Though I do hope that someone is going to use that oportunity to potentially combine both games and remake the original concept into what people really wanted. I do feel the reason why Krin disappeared afterwards again is because despite all the effort he put into the game it didn't got the expected feedback he imagined. Sometimes SIMPLE is enough but trying do so much to improve something to the point it looses its personality is not worth the final product.

[@rigulur]

David Orr was nothing short of a legend among flash game musicians. I wish him the best wherever his life has led him As for Sonny, I replayed both games and the gameplay still holds up. edit: I just realised that the samurai zone was a reference to Sinjid this whole time

[@Ultrox007]

Last I heard from him about _[checks calendar]_ oh, 8 years already... I'm old. ANYWAY! Last I heard from David he was trying to inspire others to work with music and giving talks and lessons on the programs he used and how he got there. I'm not a personal friend or anything, I was just a fan who messaged him on Newgrounds and got a full skype interview for my music theory classes since I loved the dynamic soundtrack he composed for "Colony" and have loved dynamic OSTs since.

[@jorrelkimball2668]

something something "I'LL KNOCK YOU SILLY"

[@yourfriend2384]

There is actually another challenge area at the end of sonny 2. It is only accessible if you beat the entire storyline without any repeat/training fights, and then beat the first challenge area.

[@gatitos3753]

Peak mentioned

[@danielrabinovitz478]

Strikeforce heroes goes crazy, one of the best flash games ever made. Would love to see an SFH video.

[@Just_B0red]

Goated Trilogy

[@mz.projiekt]

When Johnny comes marching home we say hurrah! Hurrah!

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

You cannot mention SFH without mentioning the other side of the coin The Raze series of games.

[@seanburns5826]

Probably not popular enough for a video yet but I remember “legends of the void” was a flash game with a surprising amount of content in it for free, I remember playing for hours and never finishing the sequel as a kid

[@LadonMach]

Oh, I loved that. Kinda sad it didn’t seem to go anywhere.

[@theschwabmob8363]

I absolutely loved the first game, and while I enjoyed the sequel...I'd always forget what I was supposed to be doing, which inevitably left me in a cycle of new game, grind up to the point (Iirc, it was right after or shortly after unlocking the 2nd npc ally for the squad), and then forget what I needed to do, after a hiatus of like an hour, two, or three, etc.

[@rigulur]

it did have an ending in the second game, and a fair bit of content too. never paid nothing but i agree that it deserves a spot somewhere in the future, maybe alongside a few other game-per-chapter flash game series?

[@olargol2284]

I did beat the second legend of the void, got to say that i was kind of disappointed due to the game just throwing the same few enemies with just more health and damage from a certain point onward. I also beat the first one, my main complaint being that unlike the second game, legendary difficulty is near impossible to beat

[@killercyclone16_4]

Legend of the Void is definitely one of my all time favorite flash series; a couple other great flash RPGs are the Hands of War series, the MARDEK series, and the EBF series, though the latter is a bit more well-known.

[@migueldevera5080]

A core childhood memory is steam rolling the entirety of sonny 2 using the biological class' transformation ability

[@revoblam7975]

Man the story of these games was all over the place, huh? I always had this sense of myth since i only got to play Sonny 2 and the start of 1, so i only imagined how the story could have gone.

[@mehiskortel6435]

If the story was a bit more focused it would be even better of a game.

[@TheTriangle444]

The story within the extra zones after the final city zone was very interesting. It was kind of telling its own story even without showing any details

[@anewstephopefully6610]

Hey man, just wanted to say that your entire channel is not only nostalgic (since you make videos about some of my favorite flash games) but also gives new peeps a taste of what free games on the internet was before adobe soiled the bed, and for that I'm very, very grateful. I truly believe that free games defines the childhood of most internet users, and you going through the giants of flash games is important not only as an accurate representation of the recent past, but it also archives in an easy to digest way some great game designs that would be easily lost in the tsunami of time. Sorry for being a nostalgic sap but I really think that what you're doing is a net good and is also entertaining. Thank you for taking the time to do so ^^

[@mehiskortel6435]

Sonny had a dark vibe to it. The remake really doesnt.

[@95keat]

The best part of this channel is reminding me the names of all these games. So many rattle in my head that id love to experience again, but without a name theyd be impossible to find.

[@Ultrox007]

14:09 there's a second harder bonus area, but you have to beat the game on the hardest difficulty, no training, no re-fighting bosses.

[@alwaysace3480]

My childhood 😢

[@noobking4310]

Let me explain the mechanism of consecutive turns. In the Sonny 1 Zone 1 boss fight, players can simply move twice in a row. In Sonny 2, however, the start of each turn is determined by the average speed of the teams. The team with the highest average speed goes first. If a player's or enemy's speed changes, the turn order is affected, leading to consecutive turns. Additionally, if a buff or debuff expires, the other team can also gain consecutive turns.

[@Just_B0red]

In 1st game you get extra turn if ally dies, the reason Sonny always gets 2 attacks guaranteed only in 1st area is because Louis always gets popped by ZPCI

[@XSilver_WaterX]

One thing to remember before replaying the original duo-ology; there is limited grinding in each sector of the map, each level gives less xp and money, but the loot chances are the same. Grinded the ZPCI Captain 12 times and you get nearly all his gear but the pants, the sword taking the most loot drop. Max level in Sonny 1 is 120 or 155 and Sonny 2 is 170 or 212? Please check the wiki if its close or not.

[@oneblacksun]

Strange. I always thought the max level in Sonny 1 was like 99, while Sonny 2's max level was more like 40-50.

[@XSilver_WaterX]

@@oneblacksun you can stack the perk if they have that level 1 concept, but grinding to ALL skills is pain and I think there's a mod to cancel out the anti-grind feature?

[@oneblacksun]

@@XSilver_WaterX What?

[@Just_B0red]

Grinding in Sonny 2 also punishes you by locking you out of areas 6-7

[@SonnyD223]

I love this game, I found it while googling my name in school lol. The soundtrack is honestly peak

[@demitrischoenwald1436]

THERE'S GONNA BE A LEGACY COLLECTION LET'S GOOOOO

[@tomasguerra7626]

Sonny gets two turns during the ZPCI Raid on ship because getting a second turn is related to Speed. I think that version of Louis the Blind (the 1hp version --- aggro is calculated based on who has the lowest health, which is the basis for that one Psychological spell from Sonny 2) has a lot of speed, and it is "technically" your turn, with that shot that's fired (the one that kills Louis) being a scripted action done after the Speed calculation is done. Shadow Blend works the same way, and the 2nd turn thing might happen when an low speed ally dies too, since the average speed (if applicable) is now higher than the enemies' speed by a margin

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

Holy shit, Sonny. Haven't heard of these games in AGES. Had a lot of fun with them, especially the second game.

[@JoKad17]

It was good... But I'd dispute the claim to best flash rpg. Mardek and Epic Battle Fantasy were much much bigger with their own very incredible sense of style, impressive assets and amazing combat and progression. I'd have to detract points for the humor in those two sometimes getting excessive but EBF was a parody anyway and Mardek's story was genuinely strong.

[@LTDLetsPlays]

Agreed Sonny would be in top 3 while other two are higher

[@danieladamczyk4024]

Mardek is stright up a official jrpg.

[@supertaoman12]

EBF 1 and 2 were more like puzzle games than rpgs, and 3 I dont really count in spirit since it has paid DLC

[@Sargewithnumber]

I have a feeling that the reason the tape in sonny 2 was only a song was either because it was a decoy, like what your theory as a kid suggest... Or my own theory was that the blind man wanted us to have a purpose in life, a bit like in the croods where the mom of the guy told him to try to catch the sun to give him a meaning in life. And I could even go farther and think that the reason the zombie lady stole the tape in the first place was to plant the idea that she may have put a decoy to now give him a new meaning in life, which is to find her. Still a great video!

[@Zack_Wester]

Another and I think that is what is happen in the mixed review version. that been there is a song on the tape but there is also a lot of data on it (you can easily do this today). be it because the tape player only read the middle part of a tape but special data reader reads the side bits and there you can store well comparable speaking a lot of data. that is if you straight up dont put the data into the sound bits. like you be supprised how much junk is on old CD and tapes that are not needed for us to hear the music and it still been really clear.

[@sherifzineldine4207]

I interpreted it as stating that Sonny (Sunny) was the key to utopia ("you are my *sunshine* my only *sunshine*") as a refrence to sonny himself that's why felicity had no use for it.

[@dragortius9335]

It's just so good to see these childhood games being talked about, the nostalgia is real and it's nice to remember them. With that, if you are accepting suggestions about flash/browser games (I think that's the category name, please correct me, eng. Isn't my first language), there is one game that I remembered, after seeing this video, called Apokalyx (I think is the name). It's post apocalyptic (I mean, duh) but in the way of natural/atomic disasters happened and generations later, we play as a gladiator from one of three origins with different ways of playing.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

The legend

[@CatsLilaSalem]

I love Sonny, And Sonny 2 might be my favorite flash game. The pc i played on was not good, so the game ran at half speed but it is still fun, i did not know the games where supposed to played faster I could follow the games decent, and the mechanics very well despite being very bad at English at the time I love the art, the effects are also so good, the sounds, the music, the different build options. The fact you could do battles over and over to farm gear so you can look like a enemy

[@kwagar9810]

The best flash game series ever

[@Misterkaz]

The Nostalgia is real, Sonny is one of the game of my childhood and is so underrated. I also didn't know you could change the equipment of Veradux. I really wish for a Sonny 3, a complete overhaul/Remake of Sonny 2017 and a Sonny 2 2017 (Visual Animation and Build variety like 7 or more slots instead of 4)

[@ramiromen6595]

Actually never played this one. I only remember it because of its promo in tainted kingdom.

[@Ultrox007]

I remember constantly passing it by because I was fatigued with zombies and thought 'sonny' was a weird name for a game. But once I learned it was by the maker of Sinjid I gave it a try. They kicked myself for the next month for wasting so much time NOT playing it.

[@Sevenus29]

I remember loving Sonny as a kid but I did not know English well enough, just pressed random buttons. Now I'm replaying it on the steam legacy version and oh my gosh it is so much more than I remember it being.

[@addinnaufal898]

Man.. this video brings me back to early 10's, wasted too many hours playing this back then. Still wishing that the game would continue in Sonny 3 (Original timeline, not the reboot) that I know will never see the light of day..

[@teh_vasraf2445]

I think something you should cover would be the flash weird cousins of a now dead genre, the rail shooter. Games like Sierra (Which feels like a railshootery R6, the old ones not the multiplayer one) or that southpark looking game with 10 thousand sequels. These games are absolutely not holding up to today's standards. They didn't even hold up to contemporary standards. But all of them had this kind of charm. Better yet some of them had some pretty novel mechanics for their time.

[@Espuda]

Welp, time to play Sonny 2 again!

[@Just_B0red]

I remember when I 1st played Sonny 2 I thought they gave us option to control each character, and I blasted Veradux with Psychological attacks for like 2 battles in row without realising I was killing him :D

[@connorcoutts9481]

I forget about this series but thank you this game was fucking peak

[@CatsLilaSalem]

I thought Sonny was green because of style, and did not know he is a zombie, did also not know Veradux is a zombie, but i was a kid that could barely read english

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

I assumed he was a zombie when he arrived (because of the portrait) and further solidified after Felicity threw knives at his face and he brushed it off twice. He was more annoyed than in pain.

[@AntonioZL]

Oh boy, I *NEED* to know the name of that one at 0:28 Never got to actually beat it.

[@Flahtort]

3:59 I never knew that you can put the same skill on several slots!

[@fwra1234]

Felicity ❤️❤️

[@dogzdontzbarkz6540]

I almost forgot about this game

[@UnstopablePatrik]

The GOAT

[@gabrielhenriquefachini4100]

i remember even today the shadow build was the most overreported one

[@razrboy20]

*SONNY* I remember this game well. kicked my ass and made me realize my build was trash. thought it was great to play a game as the zombie. 💀

[@JorguinTorpedo-ff5vk]

why flash games have so much banger music? nor Indies have this much peakness in their music

[@naglfar6305]

The sonny 3 fangame is kinda dead tho

[@oneblacksun]

From what I've heard, it has been for like a decade or more.

[@hlary8320]

the dev commeted 3 weeks ago that he hasnt given up on it, but it seems like something he cant give enough attention to bring to completion tbh

[@christiandauz3742]

At least the Sonny Reboot on the Phone has an ending! Carbon is dead and Sonny gets to live in peace!

[@christiandauz3742]

Dude, Speed stat influences turns! High speed characters can get two turns early

[@tobiasj.f7661]

Epic battle fantasy series next

[@styxriverr5237]

Wow... Google works really fast at processing your info. I just bought Sonny on Steam for the Nostalgia of it and I see this video recommended to me when I get off for the night and watch some youtube before bed.

[@sirkana]

The battle order switch up has things to do with speed, I looked it up years ago, can't quite remember what it was, something along the lines of starting speed gives initial turn order, but if you get buffed or debuffed enough it can easily swap. And the battle order wasn't so clear cut ally enemy ally etc. iirc either.

[@Ranger_Danger2899]

The baron fight was so fucked up in both games back in the day

[@aniemampomyslu]

You should do a video on the Mardek series which in my opinion is the peak of flash RPGs (alongside EBF series). It even has a small but dedicated modding community that has been improving existing content and adding new stuff that fits in well.

[@antongorov5275]

Are you aware of the secret 7 zone in Sonny 2 Sho'Tul Shelf?

[@giabaoluong3401]

please eonless i BEG you to cover the two caravaneer entries, especially the second one. they are what past me would consider games of the century

[@mrnobody7468]

Don’t think I didn’t notice that Warframe music

[@Aaron-sb6kx]

These games were so hard as a kid lol

[@miketacos9034]

Yeeeeeeesssss

[@TheTeKaDon]

One of the peaks of turn based rpg's truly amazing (except for the remake and pc steam release)

[@DaJackCracker]

I never played nore than like five minutes of Sonny because I just hatd bounceboff most turn based games, but there was a game about a (blind?) girl in some kind of remote, foggy village. If I remember correctly she had some kind of memory issue that wasn't full blown amnesia, partnered with a really big guy, and either fought and killed or was connected in some way to a giant, floating eyeball eldritch abomination. And I remember finding out AFTER I played that game and got the super cliffhanger-ry ending that it was made by the same people as Sonny. I don't know if anybody else knows what the hell I'm talking about, but I'd love to hear if you do.

[@sonny2134]

I believe your thinking of "Amea" which was made by godlimations.

[@DaJackCracker]

@@sonny2134 Yep, that was it. Thanks!

[@shadowdested5870]

Nice. Do the Epic Battle Fantasy series, I'd say its better than Sonny in RPG terms, a bit corny but fun and high quality and holds up good today.

[@FiftyStates5]

I really wish they'd actually made the 3rd game

[@Davion197]

Hope you'll cover Epic Battle Fantasy sometime, though its a long series now!

[@KaiserSquirrelz]

I hope you do thing thing, arcane the armor collector, or the armored warfare (or called something similar) game.

[@IoNicD3]

I don't think the enemy getting two turns or you getting two turns is a bug. If I remember correctly it's related to the stat called speed, if you have high speeds or the enemy has speed higher than yours then you or the enemy can get another turn.

[@thefiremaster112]

gregor is a kafka reference!!!

[@Alkatriaz]

nice wf soundtrack

[@Drahnier123]

Can I say, not to hate on Sonny, which was great, but the peak for me was the Mardek series, with save import between 1, 2, and 3

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

I kinda hate how they made the Sonny remake basically gen 1 pokemon with little to no animation Like you have a flash game with pretty good animation even today. You cannot tell me a remake on mobile made on modern hardware just makes Sonny walk forward a bit.

[@potatoesstarch2376]

Yeah that third game just doesn't feel right. It's just... worse. I didn't remember that they de-zombied veradux and unblinded louis... that sorta sucks. I don't really like that.

[@dazerrazer3018]

why did they never make sonny 3

[@mee091000]

Sonny 2017 is honestly is worse than Sonny 1 and 2 in every single way. I'm really not sure why the criticism for the game by reviewers isn't harsher.

[@MazuiLakon]

The sonny remake was a disaster

[@LTDLetsPlays]

0:16 I personally disagree but everything other than combat wise I can see why someone would think this is peak Turn based RPG on Flash 0:35 lol that old maplestory looking UI

[@pharaohthutmosis7803]

do you know what i hate the most of the new sonny game on steam?... the fights are not fights, they ar puzzles. sure the fights in sonny 1 and 2 had some tricks to them, but if you dont dance the dance of the later sonny:steam version fights, you will wipe alike it is a mythic mega savage raid boss encounter that you cannot even attempt to find your own strategy of solving.

[@357Striker]

The sonny remake is so bad