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[@brainforest88]

You compared Python 3.9 vs. 3.11. Watch the video again, You see the python version in the activity monitor

[@blubbla7363]

Python Version 3.9 can be seen at 2:07, version 3.11 can be seen at 7:05

[@mrc1500]

I noticed this, too. 3.11 is considerably faster than 3.9.

[@kevcube]

good catch, because python 3.9 is still the version bundled with macos sequoia. so his 3.11 must have come from brew or somewhere userland. If sequoia packaged 3.11 then it would still be within the spirit of the test

[@РасулШаймер]

What on Earth is that thumbnail? 😭😭😭

[@AZisk]

hey i tried

[@enronenron2411]

@@AZiskI saw it at 3 am it was scary

[@Derpalerpa]

@@AZiskwhat DID you try?

[@mavfan1]

It got you to engage. Mission accomplished.

[@smaad7]

@@AZisktry harder 😂

[@Tommy31416]

My M3Max is finally running at a regular temperature since Sequoia. Before this it was always super hot even idling without any significant processes running. Very pleased.

[@j340_official]

My anecdotal reaction to Sequoia is that it feels faster and more polished on my M1 Max than prior iterations, particularly Ventura.

[@ales7838]

Exactly the same on m1 pro unbinned, feels like this is the OS it should’ve been released with

[@j340_official]

@@ales7838 good to know Apple is still tuning the kernel and other bits under the hood. I use serato dj for example and it’s much snappier on sequoia than on Sonoma or prior iterations.

[@mahmood1212]

I guess not many people asked for this, but it turned out to be a great idea and a valuable test.

[@sameerasw]

Even on the bare minimum M1 Air I got a boost and I especially feel it with smoothness. Better efficiency too. (Actually most of the improvements were in 15.0.1 which is out now)

[@dimakonstanta1868]

Also on Sequoia, but on 15.0. Really 15.0.1 even better?

[@sameerasw]

@@dimakonstanta1868 Yes.... but I have seen many users having issues like wifi and such... I took the risk and did the update and it was wayy better for me at least. I had lags ever since Sonoma when resizing certain windows, some window movement not being smooth when screen recording and such... most were gone with it. But I think 15.0.1 really supposed to fix the new screensavers getting stuck randomly ... and that's still here ironically.

[@maxwebstudio]

@@sameerasw Thanks for the feedback !

[@AlmorTech]

Thanks for an awesome comparison! Thumbnail is so funny 0__o 🤣

[@x5HighDesert]

Make more Docker videos! Like building whole applications with Docker Compose and spinning up several containers to make it all work together.

[@G00dhead]

I just want to hear this dude speak tech all day. I can never get tired. Do you by chance take tech classes??

[@ameenbadri9696]

Me too .. its been 2 years I have downloaded every video he made so i can view them offline just in case internet is down.

[@hexiy_dev]

@@ameenbadri9696 damn

[@gregf9160]

For me, Sequoia has compounded Bluetooth and wireless issues severalfold.

[@ameenbadri9696]

upgrade to 15.0.1

[@brandonw1604]

Sequoia killed some network stuff I had going. 15.0.1 fixed it all.

[@njpme]

Since I upgraded to Sequoia, my Mac is still pingable even when stealth mode is on. I have to turn it on and off all the time to fix it

[@brandonw1604]

@@njpme mine wouldn't even reach the internet until I added a DNS instead of letting it go to my router. Just entered the same DNS IP and it'd work no problem.

[@HowToLinux]

Now it's finally time for a sub. I saw enough of you

[@AZisk]

welcome

[@glorgau]

Cool. I was using a 2015 MacBook Pro 16 GB (I know) for email and general web browsing and finally got fed up with the slows and got a M1 MacBook Air 8 GB (for $650 new @ Walmart) - it was either that or a iPad. Installed Sequoia because why not? Good to know Sequoia ain't slowing things down. No, I'm not going to install Xcode on the Air.

[@mahaddev]

I've been using macOS Sequoia since beta 1, it was the most stable beta OS I've ever used.

[@karrar_alwaili]

9:38 ChatGPT entered the conversation 15.20 > 15.15 so it is slower not faster

[@AZisk]

please and thank you

[@magnusharrison2715]

what about battery life on MacBooks?

[@CF7_82]

you made me extend my lunch brake to run the update right away ;)

[@alwayswannadie_]

On Sonoma python test was done on python3.9 version, Sequoia python3.11. Could it be the case?

[@ifo6223]

could be, because of (kinda updated) interpreter

[@pawel753]

Make a video on Finder improvements - I bet that would be quick one

[@boraoku]

The previous result at 9:30 was 15.15 seconds, and the new result is 15.20 seconds. This is a longer time, so it's slightly slower. However, you're saying it's a bit faster or an improvement?

[@kshgarg147]

What about the battery performance? Is it better or worse with Sequoia?

[@iankurseth]

Eagerly waiting for your review of the new Lunar Lake Laptops.

[@TechGameDev]

Today, Macs with Apple Silicon chips are impressively fast. With my Mac M1 and 16 GB of RAM, I notice no slowdown between macOS Big Sur and Sequoia. Moreover, I feel like my Mac is getting even faster, whereas Intel Macs used to slow down with updates. That's no longer the case today, except if you have 8 GB of RAM, which is quite low, especially since macOS Sonoma uses a lot of RAM, unified with the animated wallpaper and Sequoia with Apple Intelligence.

[@gekylafas]

How did you manage to run Xcode 15.4 on Sequoia??? I was under the impression that you can only run Xcode 16.0+ on it.

[@dcpowered]

I tried it on the Macbook Air M1 base model and the RAM usage after boot up went up from 4GB to 5GB. So, now i have even less RAM to run any programs. 😢

[@Freshbott2]

Idle RAM usage isn’t an indication of anything. Modern OSs keep a whole bunch of stuff in RAM at all times. Same as an iPhone, your RAM can appear almost completely “full” with nothing open but when you run something it claims that space. But 8GB is still only enough for some web browsing and document processing so it’s not a huge consolation sorry.

[@jur9103]

Xcode 15.4 on Sequoia? That is not supported, right?

[@thibdub2752]

You could try to install the old python version in a conda virtual environment to test it on Sequoia.

[@blackhorseteck8381]

I am highly allergic to MacOS but watch your videos for shits and giggles.

[@ealmuina]

Why do you youtubers disable subtitles on your videos sometimes? It's a pain for non-English speakers to watch your videos without them ☹

[@AZisk]

i didn’t disable. I think Yt takes a little while to process them. sorry

[@ealmuina]

@@AZisk Oh, cool then. Thanks a lot for replying!!

[@somebrains5431]

Problem reports persist with 15.0.1 so I will wait. This OS release isnt anything that i have to rush to fix abandoned 14.x problems.

[@diegoasensiomartin6715]

Have had a macbook pro M2 Pro for a month. My battery cycles didn't change in all that time because battery optimization was working amazing on Sonoma. Updated to Sequoia and my battery is going from 100 to 80% and viceversa during connected and have added 6 battery cycles to my battery in a week... I talked to the apple support and no help at all, any idea why this is happening? Am I the only one?

[@sydneylens]

I'm not a coder - but have noticed an improvement in performance specially on Apple products like Logic Pro. Always a little dicey upgrading the OS and expecting a bit of a hit in performance. Unfortunately, the pricing for new MacBook's has gone up to ridiculous levels, I work in IT and needed to purchase a MacBook for video editing (not for me 🥹) - even skimping on the SDD to 1TB - adding 64Gig ram (which forces you to upgrade the CPU) it's AU $7100! Ouch! That's 2K more that the M1 we got last time (did not need the max CPU at that time). I imagine the M4 around the same if not more.

[@Zeke0816]

I’m glad that the ARM machines are doing well with the updates. I still have a 2019 MacBook Pro with an Intel chip and Sequoia destroyed my Vue.js development experience. Using PhpStorm (I work with Laravel), my Vue.js components take almost 2 minutes to index (when they used to index in milliseconds before) and the app freezes if I copy or cut text in Vue components. Also, compiling (using Bun) took 9s always, now it’s very inconsistent, taking up to 1 minute to compile, averaging 25s. So, yeah, I really want to downgrade to Sonoma. This time, updating was the worst decision ever.

[@mehmetbaykar701]

But how can you use Xcode 15.4 on Sequía? Because it’s not allowed by the OS😂

[@StudyWithNika]

more interesting test would be if 8gb Apple silicon MacBooks can handle Sequoia. I am afraid to upgrade from sonoma as some people wrote on reddit that idle ram usage increased from 5gb to 6gb.

[@LayerbyLayerOfficial]

he was using an 8gb model in the video

[@andyH_England]

It has better RAM management although that is in dev betas so the current public release may not be as good.

[@monkeyfish227]

Games (that can run on Mac) also running better with higher fps!

[@bishnuchowdhury4939]

What a thumbnail

[@The_Collective_I]

M1 Max 64GB 16 inch, everything used to be open before you clicked it. Now it takes as much as 10-15 seconds to open some apps including photos. Just for the fuck of it, I switched over to the original release date OS. Everything was back to being instantaneous.

[@syntex9673]

were you on 15.0.1? because that version fixed a ton of bugs.

[@chrishoppner150]

The update I'm still mad about is MacOS 12.2 breaking my dual-monitor-over-thunderbolt setup, which they have never fixed. Everything worked great before that update, but after that I only get 30hz and 1080p on the second display, when the screen is actually 4k60.

[@ameenbadri9696]

did you try BetterDisplay pro app on your mac ?

[@guryashsingh940]

Good.. You removed my worries.!!

[@UriGroisman1962]

Hi Alex. Great video, as always. 1.- Where can I learn more about the performance menu in the developer tools of VScode? 2.- I work with FORTRAN and Julia, and am trying to compare performance with Numpy on my M2 mac. So, a PYTHON stupid question, when I define an environment to my script the computer put the envelope directory not where I want. Please help.... Thanks a lot

[@vishalkolapkar8325]

Thanks for giving the idea to check the performance results of the new OS on the internet before updating the system because now people are losing trust in superior companies like apple due to their bad sales strategies.

[@YourDownstairsNeighbour]

Please update your Intel one.

[@ppritam896]

After the update screen usage is not correct it is incorrect and running in background draining battery

[@maxpopov6882]

So, it's somewhat faster on m3, that's understandable, on a latest chip. But how about m1 or m2?

[@Thakkshan-d6g]

Where did you first learn how to code is there some place where you learn your programming

[@enronenron2411]

So it actually makes it faster ?

[@ascar66]

After updates WindowServer sometimes uses 1.4 Gb ram on sonoma I didn't notice such ram usage by windowserver

[@הללכחלון-ט8ה]

mine use 10.3gb on sonoma is it normal? for only windowserver

[@andyH_England]

That is a bug. Restart your Mac and that should reset it to around 500mb.

[@WeirdoPlays]

New Updates makes old macbook runs slow and force you to buy new one

[@rtothec1234]

Jetbrains apps still takes 10 minutes to open?

[@YouGotPropofol]

How’s that window snapping. lol.

[@CarlWilde-v6d]

@@YouGotPropofol Fellow traveller - Be interesting to see if ThePrimogen jumps to "Cursor" - he's sniffing around

[@MohammedAshrafOfficial]

15.2>15.15 😂🤓9:30 do you even know math?

[@AZisk]

what’s math?

[@akshaywalunjkar9255]

Hey alex! one more time on air m1 base 🙃

[@dimakonstanta1868]

On my M1 big boost in Opencl and Metal Geekbench test on Sequoia conpared to Sonoma. Dont know why.

[@dougall1687]

In MPI you can set core-code affinity to stop code being arbitrarily bounced between cores which can impact cache performance and result in bkg tasks making the foreground numbers more noisy. Don't know if you can do this on MacOS (although the thread affinity API is suggested by google).

[@andrewdunbar828]

I don't mind my performance getting slow but my speed better not get less performant!

[@theyaghu]

Can you share those program so that I can also test it out !!!

[@Nithinyadavg]

hey will you do a ,Stricpt or a project where few we just ,run an single command and what all we were selected will install and it should do them in an structure ,in an difined location of our mac and also which is a good Languege for it to do

[@richarmunicosamaniego8216]

compare battery life ... with/without seqoia 😊

[@ShahHaamid]

With Sequoia apple messed up the external monitor thing we cant go to 4k 144hz with c to dp

[@abhassharma]

HI can you send 1 machine other than your daily driver. I might edit stuffs for you with regards.

[@Mr_BetaMax]

What's been happening with your thumbnails haha 🤡 Thanks for the great content!

[@nixoncode]

Or if you're like me, I'll upgrade in 3 months

[@DunckingTest]

Do you recommend mac studio bas m2max with 1tb for web developers ?

[@takis88]

Can we all please report here some common issues experienced after the updgrade?

[@ppritam896]

Screen usage is reflecting incorrect data

[@UriGroisman1962]

forget question 2...... sorry

[@noQuestionsAllowed]

what about the nested virtualization?!

[@deepaksharma-hg5xj]

My neovim takes 20 ms to startup 😂 far better than vscod

[@bananaear23]

Why would it be faster?

[@andyH_England]

Apple is doing stuff in the back engine with software. I read about it, but it was too technical for me.

[@bananaear23]

@@andyH_England so its worth it? That is so suprising to me

[@ales7838]

Sequoia is superb

[@HandsOnKnowledge]

Hey

[@AZisk]

hi

[@cragzy_]

Uno !

[@AZisk]

dos

[@colorless_man7325]

any TLDR?

[@rumagent7252]

Sequoia will fck your vpn