Sony PMW F3 How to enable Slog and shoot 50/60P Slow-motion!

[@trosofilamelanogaste]

this is the most informetive instructions i have heard until noe for my f3, thank you

[@SamEmilio2]

I'm yet to buy an F3 but thanks for this video! What a great guide.

[@edwardenciu]

Thank you! Can't say enough how helpful this video is! Nice work!

[@WerkerfilmDeHS]

Wow, thank you very much! Your videos are super helpful. I bought my F3 a few weeks ago and can confirm that it is a beast of a camera. Mine ist the 4:2:2 only verson but I'm nonetheless blown away by the image quality. I use it with the Samurai Blade which is a nice combination. I am looking forward to your announced S-Log workflow video. Many greetings from Germany.

[@Josefx3m]

Thx man. 422-10bit is good enough for sure! The rest is in the grade. And how you shoot it! After new years my contracts run out and i can get back to f3 videos!

[@GuardianFilmworks]

Great video and thank you for the detailed information. I do have one question. You mention that after changing the settings you will be able to shoot in 50/60 fps progressive. Will that enable it to shoot 50/60fps in 720p or in 1080p? That is one area you were not very clear on. If it will shoot 60fps in 1080p that would be wonderful!

[@Josefx3m]

It will shoot 50/60-1080P this way. However it will shoot it at a higher iso so image quality will be slightly degraded so make sure to compensate by giving it the same extra exposure as the iso bump and take it down in post for best results.

[@GuardianFilmworks]

Thank you! 🙏

[@fernandogarcia3185]

Great video! I have a question, Do you know If you can update the camera firmware without deleting the RGB and slog option already installed? I am trying to know this but cant find any info on the subject. thanks in advance!

[@Josefx3m]

@@fernandogarcia3185 Thx! I dont know but if you have the RGB installed I would not do anything that might screw it up. 🫢

[@fernandogarcia3185]

Thank's! That was my very same thought.

[@totooderso2167]

good video only for me are with dual-link & gamma select all blocked except 1.5gypbpr422 & video and off how can I activate other things for you have v1.40

[@TheJ_G]

This is perfect. Really helpful! I just picked up an F3 based off your videos. Im hoping it’s a 444 version as the owner didn’t know, but I doubt it. Either way, I have a couple of Ninja V’s that I’m hoping to record to, but I don’t have the SDI adapter. I was wonder if it would be possibly to use an SDI-to-HDMI converter to start with an SDI signal from the camera but then have it change over to HDMI for the ninja.

[@Josefx3m]

Sweet. That would probably work. I would recommend buying the SDI module for your ninja if you can spare the cash. It has come into handy lots of times for me.

[@eduardovalcarcel9330]

Hello. Thank you very much for your videos, they are great and I learn a lot to continue working with my "old lady" Sony PMW F3. Unfortunately I bought it when the CBK-RGB01 upgrade was very expensive and therefore I don't have the 4: 4: 4 option. If you know how to get someone at a reasonable price, let me know. Anyway my question is if there is a possibility to slow motion at 50p or 60p on a recorder like the old Athomos Samurai that only have one SDI input? And how to use the camera with the best resolution? better 1080 50 i and then convert it on the Athomos to 1080 25p or natively from the 1080 25p camera? I don't quite understand the pulldown. Could you explain it? Thank you very much from Spain.

[@Josefx3m]

Hello Eduardo. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to get the upgrade unless it was bought for It back then. But I would not be too sad about it. As long you got the Slog version. You have plenty. It seems you need to have a dual-link compatible recorder for that. Did you try it the way I did it in the video? I think the best option is to shoot it at 25P on camera. It's called a PSF signal (Progressive Segmented Frame) Its acts a lot like a 50i signal. But it is intended to be pieced together at the receiving end of the signal. It was invented because old tv/broadcast systems were relying on the interlaced format. It made it possible to start sending 25p on legacy systems basically.

[@bobtronic73]

Without the RGB upgrade the only option is to use a recorder that supports dual-link connections, basically two SDI cables. Unfortunately the Ninja seems to be not compatible with the F3s dual link. I did use the AJA SDI to HDMI converter with success but it makes the whole setup quite bulky. Eventually I bit the bullet and got a F3 with the RGB upgrade.

[@Josefx3m]

@@bobtronic73 Interesting. I can not use the dual link mode to work with my Ninja. It is dual-link compatible. Thought it was because of my firmware. Perhaps there is another querk to get it to work?

[@bobtronic73]

@@Josefx3m I have the latest firmware and the RGB upgrade on my F3. It just looks like the Ninja can handle the dual-link from the F3. Unfortunately Atomos never got back to me when I asked about that. For me anyway it's no issue anymore, I use the single 3G connection and the BMD Video Assist nowadays.

[@eduardovalcarcel9330]

Thanks for the answers. Very interesting help me a lot. I am going to look at the possibility of buying a recorder with dual Sdi output. Slow motion for video clips is essential. This week I also had bad news that I bought the B4 mount fotodiox adapter and it does not work even with the duplex in the optical Makes awful vignetting. You know how to adapt to B4. From PL I found one of Arri but it is very expensive. If you have any ideas to use B4. Thanks a lot. Best regards

[@crs2crs2]

Thank you for posting!! Could you give us some tips regarding Slog workflow (grading)?

[@Josefx3m]

Sure! ill make a video in the near future.

[@crs2crs2]

@@Josefx3m Awesome! Thank you!

[@santiagocadena9199]

BIG ONEEEE

[@longd2643]

Hi, I'm buying an F3 that has the 444 upgrade off ebay. I wonder if the camera has already had the 444 upgrade, does it mean that automatically it also has the option to shoot in 422 SLOG? Or could the SLOG shooting mode (for 422 since I don't have the recorder for 444) still not be available even if it has the 444 upgrade? I can't find the answer anywhere and hopefully you can help me. Thank you so much and great tutorial!

[@Josefx3m]

You can shoot normal slog with 444 firmware. Sorry for late respond ✌️

[@acedia4453]

It means you'll need an external means of recording 4:4:4, the camera itself will not do it.

[@julesbeautemps453]

Hey, thank for the video, i have buy one yesterday ! Do you know if we can shoot in 4:4:4 on atomos ninja V ?

[@Josefx3m]

Hey Jules! Unfortunatley not. You need a dedicated 444 recorder. But I would not stress to much about it. The 10-bit 422 is very robust and is plenty enough for most work. I see 444 could be an advantage when doing croma-key perhaps.

[@zarrir]

Sony F3 uses SLog 1 right? Does Davinci have a preset for SLog1 or only for SLog2 ?

[@Josefx3m]

It has slog 1 in color management!

[@zarrir]

@@Josefx3m Thank you

[@jamesblobo9947]

Hey Josef, thank you so much for your brilliant videos. I'm having a hard time figuyring out the Dual-Link & Gamma Select menu item. All but the top option for me are greyed out. I can nonetheless shoot SLOG as a picture profile so am wondering if I should keep Dual-Link & Gamma turned to off or if I should set it to 1.5G YPbPr422 & Video? Any help would be so incredibly appreciated!

[@Josefx3m]

If you just want slog 25p than video mode and picture profile set to slog work fine. That way you also get the benefit of beeing able to shoot slog at a lower iso and switch easy to a different color profile if needed!

[@jamesblobo9947]

@@Josefx3m Thank you so much! Would you recommend shooting at a lower ISO and if so, do I achieve that feature by setting low gain to -3?

[@Josefx3m]

@@jamesblobo9947 yes -3db. I would shoot darker situations with -3db and brigher situations at 0 db.

[@jamesblobo9947]

@@Josefx3m Interesting. How does that square with needing more light and therefore needing to push the db under certain situations? For example, I'd love to shoot SLOG at a club but they don't have much lighting. Is it okay to push the db to +3 or even +6 or should I ideally try and look for external lighting options?! Thanks :)

[@Josefx3m]

@@jamesblobo9947 Think of it this way. Needing more light and exposing the camera right is two different things. If you want a pretty image with lots of dark parts in it. You want less noise and cleaner shadows. If you undercrank the sensitivity of the camera you get more information in the dark parts but less information in the highlights. If its to dark for the camera you need a faster lens or external lights. Pushing the iso is the last resort. It will be brighter but the image quality will suffer. So if you can light or use a faster apature then do it and undercrank the sensitivity of the sensor for better dark images.

[@davidmaher3127]

Hello, i hope you can help me , on my f3, with long recordings the camera splits the files to a new file after approx 14 mins and reaching a 4 Gb limit, have you come accross this, i know if using an external recorder you could use that recording file, but is there a work around to keeping a long recording on 1 file internally, thanking you, your video very helpful by the way.

[@Josefx3m]

I think you can use sonys catalyst browse to fix the files!

[@acedia4453]

There is a 4 hour long tutorial for this camera available for rental on Vimeo

[@林木-h8b]

@acedia4453 Can you tell me the address?

[@sinisterus4441]

How can I find a key (CBK-RGB01) for F3 10 bit 444? It's not even sold. Camera without upgrade in external Blackmagic HyperDeck (like yours) records worse than internal SxS

[@Josefx3m]

Unfortunately its not sold anymore and unused keys are hard to come by. However latest firmware to get 10-bit 422 slog out is available. Its a little tricky to get it in to the camera. There is a tutorial on youtube and the firmware can be found. Send a Dm to me if you cant find it and ill help you out.

[@TellierMaxime]

Hello Joseph, I have 3 questions. I have the 1.31 version of the firmware and try to record 422 10 bits (Pro res hq or dnxhr hqx) on a Blackmagic vidéo assist 12g. I understood that recording on the Hd sdi A port is better than the Sdi out. When I set the « dual link and gamma select » on 3g 422 slog, I have no image on the vidéo assist and I don’t know why… any idea ? When I set it to 1.5g, I have an image. 1.5g is enough to record 422hq or dnxhr hqx ? Also, I don’t understand why the image looks like slog on the camera screen when I select 1.5g 422 slog, but looks like rec709 when I select 3g 422 slog.

[@TellierMaxime]

Thanks for your help

[@Josefx3m]

Set it to 1.5G! 3G is for dual link connection. I have no experience with dual link and you do not need it for normal 10bit recording.

[@TellierMaxime]

@@Josefx3m That might explain why the image looks like rec709 when I select 3g 422 slog. It is made to be used with dual link. It is quite obvious that dual link is made for dual link. But in 2022, it might be strange that it doesn't work at all with 1 cable. I ll go for 422 SLog 1.5G, and HDSDI A. : ) ! Another 2 questions : I try to Select Slog through the picture profil Menu/ Gamma. Under Cine 1, CIne 2, Cine 3, Cine 4, I don't have the Slog option. It is missing at the bottom of the list! I still can get the -3db option through the Slog mode without EI Cine. And that s the most important for me. But that's quite strange ! Do you know if I can had it ? I'd like to find some a LUT Slog to Rec709 to put inside my BM video assit, do you know where I can find it ? And do you know where to find some good LUTs to grade Slog ? I ask here a question for the black magic video assist users : For a 422 bits good quality, I have 3 recording options on the 12g BM video assist : Pro res HQ, DNXHR HQX in .mov, and DNXHR HQX in MXF. DNXHR HQX in MXF gives me very big problems. Whatever the duration of the shooting, only 250 frames (10 seconds) are recorded. And then, I can not use the BMVA, I need to turn it off, and to start it again... Someone has the same problem ? Any preference between 422 Hq Prores and Dnxhr HQx .mov, any quality difference ? Best regards everyone, and thank you very much for your answers and for all the work you do on your channel.

[@Josefx3m]

@@TellierMaxime You need to customise one of your pictures profiles to be slog. press picture profile button. Choose one profile u want to customise on SEL. Then go down to SET. Scroll down and enter Gamma. Choose select and scroll to slog and enter. Now that profile has slog. Good luck!

[@TellierMaxime]

@@Josefx3m Thank you for explaining it to me step by step. But I really have no "Slog" option in the gamma menu in the bottom of the list. I have STD1 DVW / STD2 x4.5 / STD3 x3.5 / STD4 240M / STD5 R709 / STD6 X5.0 / CINE1 / CINE2 / CINE3 / CINE4 and that's all. No Slog at the end of the scroll. Do you know why and how can I add it ? I tried to reset the picture profile mode and that doesnt change anything.

[@koendesaeger3691]

Hi again! Thx for showing me to this video. When I connect my Shogun flame to the 'SDI OUT' connector without the function 'SDI/HDMI/I .LINK I/O Select:' set to 'HD SDI', there 's no image on this output. Which is logic since this is where you switch the HDMI or HD SDI output on or of. Although I'd like to use the A en B HD-SDI connector on the back to get the HD-SDI channel out and use the HMDI-port to connect my viewfinder. Also, I'm not sure what quality the HDMI or the 'SDI OUT' are delivering. Do you have any recources on this? Maybe there's an other channel where we can communicate on this?

[@Josefx3m]

The Hdmi, SD-SDI and video out is of lesser quality. Its 8-bit 420. You want to use the HD-Sdi A port to get 10-bit - 422 out to the shougun. Also make sure that the Shougun is updated that includes my Fix for the 2:2 pulldown as default in the Atomos. Make sure that the Camera is set to 25P or 23.9P and check if the atomos is set to the same with 2:2 Pulldown. Are you running the latest firmware on your camera?

[@Josefx3m]

If you want to use the hdmi and Sdi to use with your viewfinder you can enable it run the same time as the HD-sdi no problem.

[@koendesaeger3691]

So after an afternoon of testing it seems that I need to put the system to HQ 1920/50i in order to get a 3G YPbPr422 & S-Log signal on the HD SDI A output on the back of the cam. It gives me a 1080p50 videochannel, which I record on the shogun in Prores422 or HQ. But not much to play round with. I only get this settings to work or the 1,5G version, but that's basically just a 'normal' HD-SDI file...

[@Josefx3m]

@@koendesaeger3691 Thats correct!

[@koendesaeger3691]

@@Josefx3m this has never worked with my cam. I can only switch between HDMI and SDI. There's no option to choose both...

[@kevosi]

I’m getting dropped frames when I shoot slowmo. I’m guessing it’s my Blackmagic Video Assist 5” 3g and the sd card write speed - anyone else have this issue / solutions?

[@Josefx3m]

Every time I had dropped frames was because of the recording media. its probably that.

[@edwardenciu]

Kevin were you able to get 60fps from the F3 using the 5" 3G BMD Video Assist?

[@kevosi]

@@edwardenciu I was not - always dropped frames and had the fastest sd card I could get that worked for that video assist. I rented a 7” 12g black magic video assist though and used a Samsung ssd and it worked perfectly

[@acedia4453]

Dont use cheap cards. You want at least 300mb speed