Sony ZV-E10 II: Why No IBIS?

[@tillkratochwill4343]

Great to hear that overheating is not (a big) issue... Could actually be a nice addition for a FX30/a6700 combination.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

In tests I've seen seems to be decent specially in normal situations

[@MarkBennettCameraCrisis]

Great tests, man. That was super interesting comparing the ibis to the estab. Surprisingly good stabilization!!

[@youfollow_]

Sony perfect my needs , I dont need ibis. This will my mini cinerig documentary/travel/wildlife camera ❤

[@macoyoo9575]

Sony a6700 is at 1880aud atm. While the new zv-e10 ii is 1849aud. Plus 6700 has that 4k 120 , ai auto focus and a hybrid as well.

[@cedjew]

This camera is disappointing. I think Sony just took way too much out of it, I would just spend a couple hundred more dollars and get the 6700.

[@ColtsFan288]

do you think this camera with Sigma 18-50 will be better than A6700 with kit lens?

[@qq_02]

@@ColtsFan288 Honestly, no. Depending on the features you want, sure, but given the similarities and how good the kit lenses are (both the previous generation and this one), the 6700 is a better value proposition than this. Want something a little cheaper? E10 Mark 1 loses the 10-bit and 4k60, but is smaller (because of the smaller battery) and 300 or more bucks cheaper. You can get a decent 50mm prime lens for that price difference!

[@derekroberts5931]

does the 6700 have the LuT feature and same battery ( or better? ). Also is it as user friendly as the Sony zv-E10? Like having a defocus button and showcase button?

[@cedjew]

@@derekroberts5931 it does have the lut feature and the fz100 batteries, but there is no defocus button though. I owned one and the user interface is just as friendly as the ZV E10ii.

[@cedjew]

@@ColtsFan288 Yes always get better glass!

[@williamsolis1]

It was so easy to recommend the zve10 because those who asked me were mostly doing talking head and didn't need much. This fulfills that and now with 10-bit. Once this gets discounted. It'll be an easy recommendation again.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

agreed. Once this is discounted I will definitely recommend this camera to a lot of people because 10bit 4:2:2 and 4k 60fps

[@tdavis7396]

Ehhh... I mean, if they were not gonna give us IBIS, at least give us dynamic from the ZV-E1. Im sticking with my mark 1. Not worth the upgrade for me.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

I don't think the dynamic active stability is possible without the new AI processor

[@tdavis7396]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema you’re right. Which is a big hang up for me. Thanks for the video, brother!!

[@olegvorkunov5400]

Waited for that camera, but was disappointed what Sony delivered. For that price, they should include ibis, mechanical shutter, and AI processor. So, I decided to go with A6700 instead to compliment my A7IV. A6700 is going to be used only with one lens (Sigma 18-50) and purely for travel.

[@Chris_P.eterson]

Sony did a huge update to their active stabilization! This is the reason why it looks pretty smooth even without IBIS. In my opinion there is no need to complain about the stabilization. This is almost GoPro or gimbal like. I think Sony did a fantastic job with the new cam!

[@ashleymalamute]

At $1700 body only at Georges Cameras, it's no longer a cheap camera, so I'm now comparing it to the Fuji Xs-20 and similar.

[@天龍貓]

yeah ibis is very important for vlog. Thanks for testing !

[@DigiDriftZone]

I wish you did the no IBIS tests with a more cinematic shutter speed to see if digital stabe holds up.

[@paulojleite]

Cinemátic is not the perfect adjective since action movie scenes use high shutter speeds to get that jittery gritty feel 😅

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@paulojleite this wasn’t a high speed chase or a fight scene so by cinematic I’m referring to 180 degree shutter…

[@מיכאלקונטרוביץ]

In some ways, this is a real upgrade. But...if you are a photographer, just get A6700. If you are mostly vlogger and videographer, get an FX30 or the ZV-E1, or if you are in a real budget problem, stick with the original ZV-E10. Without the IBIS, it is a crippled camera. In my opinion, this HUGE X1.5 crop makes vlogging useless until you are using a real superwide bright lens, like the 11mm sony or the 10-20 zoom (which is an f4 lens). These lenses are NOT at all cheap. So I think it will be much more clever decision to take the A6700 or the FX30. And also, if you are in a hot temperature environment, like me - in my region the average temperature during the day in july/august are 34-37 degrees celcius. A HUGE problem!!! Only the FX30 for filming

[@SecondGoAtLife]

This is exactly my thought! You said it well!

[@ZIYADIALLO]

sony zve10 with stability this is a huge change I regret buying my zve10 😭😭😭😭😭 I want the mark 2 asap

[@zaiENT1]

zve10 is awesome, don't let the fomo get to you

[@SharrodVisuals]

@@zaiENT1No, let the regret overwhelm him to the point of no return.

[@EtotheZ2024]

Why don't you get an stabilizer like DJI rs3 or something

[@ZIYADIALLO]

@@EtotheZ2024 I have the zhiyun M2 but I didn’t know that I have to charge it before usage also his batterie discharges quickly it’s so annoying 🥶

[@CLtech05]

unless you getting the a67000 or upgrading to full frame, stick with the zve10

[@AndrewPRoberts]

No IBIS is a bummer, but the active stabilization was actually much better than I expected it to be

[@StevenYen]

how would the digital stabilization work with motion blur? feel like it would start looking weird then

[@willvazquez3218]

Great video! That baked in Summer Tone LUT looks lovely.

[@wendysburgers4326]

Why expect 2nd gen of ZVe10 Mark 2 to have IBIS? The improvements is already enough If they include that a6700 will be useless. People will buy this because it is cheaper if that happen. With remove some features from a6700

[@78amir.j]

Sony made this camera intentionally for people were not buying the original zve10 because they were waiting to get something newer and the people that didn't buy a6700 because it was a little too expensive for them they were waiting for something cheaper . Sony made zve10 ii no ibis no mechanical shatter and forced them all to finely buy the original zve10 or a6700

[@SteveWB]

looked stable enough to me.

[@arnisbrown5848]

I hope Sony still releasing IBISless models means we're going to at get more OSS lenses. Mark IIs of the 18-135, the 35 and 50 OSS, and a fast ultrawide OSS prime. That said Sony doesn't really do itself a favor calling the the ZV line 'vlogging' cameras. They're absolutely stellar 'content creator' / talking head models, but paradoxically the one thing they do quite poorly is run and gun walk and talk (especially with the Osmo Pocket 3 out as a cheaper alternative). I just can't wait until the IBIS from the RV and 9III trickle down into the basic models and FX line.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Unfortunately I wouldn't hold your breath on OSS lenses. This usually means larger lenses which sony prefer smaller cameras and smaller lenses. They will just choose better digital stability rather than compromise size. 4k 60fps and 10bit 4:2:2 is the biggest selling point here. I can make professional commercials with this sensor quality

[@joemendoza25]

Guys just get the a6700🙏🏼 this ain’t worth it

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

if you have extra coin, yes I agree

[@CLtech05]

if you have short term mentality get the zve-10 II

[@AngkelBee]

I still think mark ii suited me well than a6700 for its smaller body and just-nice offerings. I do videos 90% of the time and I appreciate smaller form factor as I like my gear small. So feature wise yes a6700 still king but use-case wise, zve10mii suited me better.

[@CLtech05]

@@AngkelBeethat is the the there's is no such smaller factor, did you see them side by side, they are quite the same size. Smaller factor would be zve-10 mark I or actually something like Sony Rx100 vii

[@joemendoza25]

@@AngkelBee pretty much same body, but a6700 is 100grams or more heavier than mark2. All I’m saying is 100grams wouldn’t bother if I know I’m getting a much better performance👍🏼

[@alessioragghianti4462]

Hello Jason Thank you for the video! Do you think mark 2 with this lens could be better in stabilization than mark 1 with gimbal? Thanks

[@ags911]

You can vlog with the 11mm when using active stabilisation which should give you your standard 16mm.

[@vvlad78]

It's about 25mm in ff equiv. Still a bit too narrow.

[@Burzcasts]

Can use the Sony 11mm with Active Stabilisation... For a good IBIS type effect.

[@yottahertz]

i have a gimbal so i don't care about stability, only negative things about this camera for me is no 4k 120fps and no AI chip like 6700. Still think for few more bucks 6700 is a better choice

[@cyscoe]

I think this camera does not really scratch the itch for anyone, the sony a6700 is way better for not that much more. And the mark 1 is 90 percent if this camera for way less.

[@stevewalton2959]

It should have been priced around 800, a 300$ increase shifts it into a different league.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Yeah I think you're right. I think because the Mark I still exists so the price is higher which is a shame

[@AngkelBee]

Yeah I think the price clearly puts mark ii in an awkward spot. Mark i is known for its cheap price, suddenly mark ii is close to a6700. It definitely wont be the best seller cam. Mark i will still be the best seller.

[@zaiENT1]

I would rather spend the extra on the fx30 at that price point in AU, if it was $1500 with the kit lens maybe I would've considered it.

[@stkuj]

This looks like a mini-ZV-E1 (is it the same body?) Need a ZV-E10ii vs 6700 vs FX-30 video!

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

yeah exactly what it is

[@kristersvensson1653]

To be honest, if you do even a little photography this is better value than the FX30 for most people.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

photography is a tough realm because almost every new mirrorless camera will be almost good enough (depending on what you photograph)

[@kristersvensson1653]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema True. There’s so much out there now.

[@angeldc54]

I think is a nice camera, even without the mechanical shutter. But I do think it's waaaay overpriced.

[@JesusCarrasquelTV]

Hi, nice review. I have the ZVE10 original. Do you recommend upgrading to ZVE10 mark II? Or investing in a lens?

[@syndicateshoot]

if you need 10 bit color , 4k60fps then you are ready to upgrade

[@vvlad78]

Invest in A6700.

[@benjaminzipser6021]

@@syndicateshoot also if you need good battery life and don't wanna lug around so many cameras

[@AngkelBee]

Perhaps try to milk the mark i first. Really2 milk it. If you are satisfied with it, then no need to upgrade. If you are not satisfied, then you have 2 options either mark ii or a6700. I owned mark i for 2 years. I milked it as much as I can and I think mark ii is a worthy upgrade.

[@TimBrownTown]

I noticed in your walking shots, you must have shot them twice because the girl is a similar focal length but you can see much more of the houses and tree in frame. Would have liked to have seen the actual difference in crops that the FX30 has vs the new E10.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

no. These were shot at the same time. Real results and no tricks. The crops are different because active stability is different. focus breathing comp is different per lens too which changes FOV

[@TimBrownTown]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema It just looks strange to see the girl appeared at almost the same focal length Where's the background appeared to be much more cropped in on the zve10. I think the actual crop in active on the zv-e10 is 1.5 on top of the 1.5 on APS-C. I can't find much on the stab crops on the fx30 and a6700.

[@SharrodVisuals]

Currently pre order for this is $1850 AUD and the a6700 is sellling for $1895 AUD in other stores…. Bit dumb isn’t it. If it was around the $1350 aud mark this would be right on the mark

[@АндрейСмолин-е9ю]

Is it possible to use new active stabilization + OSS from kit16502 on any Sony camera? I am wondering if using it on the original ZV-E10 will provide extra smoothness, as the electronic stabilization on that camera is pretty low. I am hoping that this new lens, together with Catalyst Browse, will enhance the stabilization to the level of the ZV-E1. The only terrible thing is the cropping, which becomes significant!

[@Ozpeter]

I watched enough to understand what the debate is about, knowing you would make it clear to someone who isn't actually interested in this type of camera in the first place, but just curious... Anyway, I had a little giggle when you referred to several million dollars instead of pixels when talking about the screen. Something you probably wish you had, with all that costly gear to buy! [Rechecked - you actually did say "dot" not dollar. Still, for a moment I giggled, thanks!]

[@zenphotocraftmedia8326]

Fix that video flicker problem on the Sony zv

[@bigman8733]

For a travel photo/video camera and some talking head videos, do you think the ZV E1 MKII or A6700 is the better buy in the long run?

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

@@bigman8733 imo the a6700 is a better camera in the long run if you can afford the extra $400USD but the ZV-E10 II is a good deputy

[@bigman8733]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema gotcha! Really love the compact nature of this cam, but maybe it’s time to hit the gym so I don’t feel bothered by weight anymore😂

[@delanoand]

do against the a6700, makes more sense

[@jordandouglas3772]

I’m starting to get frustrated with Sony, I feel like the global shutter was a great move but now it just seems like they’re milking this damn aps-c sensor. All of these “new cameras” that are very similar to each other isn’t making any sense to me.

[@AngkelBee]

Yooo global shutter is waay too expensive. No logical reason to put it on mark ii. I'd say it suited for FX lineup first.

[@NinoJulia]

Is there no standard stabilization on this camera like the mark I ?

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

only Active Stability unless you have a lens with OSS. They call that standard stability

[@paololarocca7684]

hello, what are the crop factors on this camera? the a6700 has a slight 1.05 crop factor for all 4k modes up to 4k 60p, does this one use the whole width of the sensor in 4k 24/30p instead?

[@snappy8k]

why do you care about 1.05 crop

[@simoz78]

Is IBIS really useful for vlog/walking videos? My fx30 is horrible at that while my zv-e1 is barely passable

[@dspidro]

I thought I was the only one who thought that about the fx30

[@enjoygary]

I love the fx30 but that’s its only weak point. I don’t think the ibis is good and I don’t like gimbals. You can use Catalyst Browse but I’d rather not do that. I’m interested in getting a Lumix s5ii because it’s ibis is the best in the business

[@BlackapinoTheTechGuy]

*Love that they upped the new processor but no IBIS and Not even A1 Bionic, LAME. I'm sure there'll be a Crop as it is with All APS-C. But I'll stick with my OG ZV-E10, Might swap it out for the Osmo Pocket 3, but who knows, lol, But is Nice that they finally came out with a Better version with the Processor but I was Hoping it was going to have that AI Auto Framing like the 6700 Price is CERTANLY up, but for a Bit more the a6700 seems achievable but over all it's good update but for me I'll stick with my ZV-E10*

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

the 4k 60fps and 10bit 4:2:2 is enough for me to recommend this over the mark I

[@BlackapinoTheTechGuy]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema i have the FX30 for that

[@rolis.j]

no ibis defenitly kiled this camera for me,i beter go for 6700 or r8 even

[@TheLinesEnd]

One more reason to just get a used a7iv

[@bobjohnson9597]

I turned my screen brightness up on my phone and still couldnt see the camera all that well (poorly lit room with dark background) so I lisyened to the specs then skipped ahead and watched the walking video footage. i have rhe Lumix S5ii and its unreal but a quite Woke company so I think I will get the new Nikon Z6iii and call it a day as it ticks all my boxes other than the price.

[@juangarcia_actual]

This camera was very disappointing

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Probably not for you I assume. Not for me either

[@juangarcia_actual]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema Do you think the extra cost to get the a6700 is justified? strictly speaking in terms of photography and not video

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

@@juangarcia_actual yes. A6700 gives you more auto focus tracking subject from the AI processor plus you get IBIS which low light photography you may need

[@eike.zender]

Wait what? 😂

[@cedjew]

Yea Right😂

[@mr_ryan_tee]

not worth the price tag imo

[@idkanymore3382]

BAAAAHAHAHHAHA NO IBIS IN A CRAPPY VLOG CAM

[@SeanHuangRealEstate]

And no mechanical shutter either

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

correct. Just electronic. Same as ZV-E1

[@sunflowerdeath]

Are you also going to use 1/6400 shutter speed in low light? 🤣🤣 Just admit it's another garbage camera...

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

haha it has its place. It is not for me