SOPHIA BUSH: One Tree Hill Manipulation & Immature Love

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Sophia Bush (One Tree Hill, Incredibles 2) joins me this week for a terrific conversation concerning the systematic idea of love and relationships.
Sophia comments on the controversy surrounding the creator of One Tree Hill and how it truly delayed a wonderful and healthy relationship between her and her cast mates.
We also discuss how Sophia’s relationship with her parents furthered her maturity levels early on in her life, her superior dog training skills, and the idea of love before prefrontal cortex development.
SOPHIA BUSH: One Tree Hill Manipulation & Immature Love (2021) Inside of You: Michael Rosenbaum #iou #insideofyou

[@courtneyvial3799]

As an OTH fan, I am SO GLAD Sophia, Hilarie, and Joy have reclaimed the show. For years, I felt so conflicted about loving the show because of the crap the women went through. Sophia is just simply incredible! She's so intelligent and articulate.

[@TheMoviePlanet]

I see what you mean, but it doesn't change the fact that Mark Schwahn created the show and the characters, was the showrunner for its entire run and wrote or co-wrote 75 out of the 187 episodes. As terrible a person as he may be, it's undeniable that his work is a major reason of what people love about the series.

[@anonymouse5910]

1:08 I find Sophie to also be self possessed and genuine

[@nikkishurley]

Totally agree

[@StarGazerandSpaceShips]

right?! Its the only reason I can watch reruns now after learning about the horrible things that happened on set.

[@JulianaJu07]

but because of this show they became famous

[@stanfinally_]

She’s not aging. And damn, she’s so eloquent and full of wisdom. 🥺🤩

[@mahmoudbingarad6320]

She totally has aged and was so much better looking before.

[@e.a3968]

She’s 39 but literally doesn’t even look 29 🤯

[@MsLaRue]

You age gracefully when you're unproblematic

[@stanfinally_]

@@MsLaRue this is so trueee

[@r6-AgentScorpionParkerKRider23]

Her and Blake Lively(Gossip Girl) do not age for some damn reason lol both are just wow....STILL

[@RSyed-tu4rn]

lmaoo the way Sophia expertly turned the marriage & Chad Michael Murray question into her psychoanalyzing Michael about his own fears around marriage 😅 WHAT A QUEEN

[@DavidMyrmidon]

Yeah, Michael kinda went dark there.. 😅

[@mikinhalingeron]

She is perfection

[@heavenismydomicile3280]

Chad turns 40 today!I feel old

[@heavenismydomicile3280]

@@mikinhalingeron why does she mention chad in every interview?

[@SASSY13169]

@@heavenismydomicile3280 Because he is a part of her history. She can’t talk about her life as much as she wants.

[@sageevgeorge1633]

Wow. Sophia just sounds like the perfect person to talk to at a party. Knows tons of interesting things (at least to me), knows herself, doesn't take shit and seems genuinely happy.

[@wuteva4eva456]

She would be a great person to talk with about the meaning of life, but not so sure about a party. The humor Michael tried to infuse into the interview was not matched. There were multiple times he tried to joke or deflect when she tried to go deep, and it just felt a bit off. Maybe not uncomfortable, but definitely off. I respect her for not wanting to talk about her ex and shifting the topic, but it seemed like she wouldn’t let Michael do the same.

[@lex_rodriguez]

Idk about a party. Maybe a coffee shop lol

[@Amy-91]

Nothing seems genuine about her demeanor. She's trained herself well. This is her just meeting people personality. Not her party and personal personality.

[@sunday80s]

I’d like have her be my therapist instead 😅

[@ThinkBeFree99]

Is this what people talk about at parties??

[@thisismyinferno]

Everytime I hear her, all I want is to have a conversation with her. She's so intelligent and personable. She has this energy that's so inviting to open up..like a therapist or best friend with sincere compassion.

[@LS-id2ou]

“If you can understand the (human) tendency, you can depersonalize the response.” Very well said. Essentially the foundation of “not taking things personally”. Articulate, intelligent woman she is.

[@anabrandt4317]

"oh Michael, we're not going to talk about this are we?" YES QUEEN! HOLD YOUR GROUND!

[@EmmaDitnes]

Sophia turning the tables on him and asking if wanting a relationship to be “the one” being an avoidance tactic 😂👏👏👏 god I love her.

[@raqlionchaser]

And thanks Sophia for holding the line there about constantly getting asked about that guy (yes I know his name) in your past. We are not defined by the men we've had relationships with.

[@blair7764]

Agreed! That was a great answer. She is right not to talk about it. It was soo long ago! Nobody asks me who I was dating in 2004. I wish people would stop asking her.

[@mazfirst8091]

Seconded! I loved how she handled it

[@IkesPimpHand]

Why is everything a manipulative argument for y'all? Maybe you're not really over it if you're so insecure. If these questions were asked to men you wouldn't even care.

[@hosoiarchives4858]

What guy?

[@jonathanbaird8109]

@@hosoiarchives4858 She was married to Chad Michael Murray for a brief time during the early run of One Tree Hill. There were allegations that he cheated on Sophia with Paris Hilton and perhaps others.

[@alisha8011]

God, she is so f*cking wise, and the insight she brings to relationships, with parents with marriage. All of it was helpful and food for thought. Thank you for the great interview !

[@claudielaudie1]

I’m not familiar with her on a personal level but what a great episode. She’s so articulate and interesting and I found her very inspiring. I immediately went to her podcast after I finished listening to IOU and loved it. Thanks for always bringing in great guest, Michael! Doing a great job Ryan and Bryce. ❤️

[@maxcarlini9989]

You don’t know brooke davis?!?! If thats true I sincerely apologize and will give my hulu account so u can watch one tree hill aka OTH.

[@JessB08]

I've watched one tree hill for what feels like all my life I literally grew up with these characters! It's an amazing show, sophia is an amazing actress and drama queens is a great! Podcast!

[@NessaBear90]

@@JessB08 I love Drama their podcast! It makes me feel like I'm back in HS again. Such great memories with OTH

[@NessaBear90]

One Tree Hill is a show I grew up watching. It was my teenage show and recently began to rewatch the show and just listening to them talk about it. So great. She's an amazing person.

[@simurfie5066]

I listen to the Drama podcast and I love listening to Sophia, Joy and Hilarie all together again ❤️

[@theresemarkham9387]

Such a great interview. Sophia definitely opens up. Her inner strength shined through what she went through. She definitely would make a great superhero.

[@CatCalabreseMusic]

When she says we need to ask what we’re looking for in marriage to reevaluate these systems we’ve romanticized. Girl preach. She nails this. It says so much about our society that we pressure women (not in this interview) about marital status when it’s a broken system and people go in to it not appreciating the deep commitment it is. People are more than their relationship status

[@IkesPimpHand]

Society pressures men more and marriage is a terrible deal for men. "Girl preach" YASSS KWEEEN SLAYYYY 🤮

[@CatCalabreseMusic]

@@IkesPimpHand the fact that you have an anti LGBTQ message in your handle pretty much guarantees that I’m not interested in hearing your patriarchal chauvinistic opinions. So 🤮 right back to ya

[@TheKadanz]

@@IkesPimpHandWell said. There is no incentive for a man to agree to marriage, and every incentive for women to marry.

[@philippulliam]

She is so much more than an actress. I have really never seen any of her entertainment work outside of The Hitcher remake and a vague memory of her former marriage, but I'm very glad I got the chance to hear her share. I don't perceive that Michael was so willing to hear her initially. He seemed reasonably defensive, but it quickly became micro aggressive. She talked him through it like a sincere, empathic, mature adult.

[@annabellemora7950]

Loving it! Your parents love you and its evident they weren't the best versions of themselves while they raised you. Its hard for anyone to accept their faults and just because they won't accept them to you doesn't mean they are not aware of it. They are simply so overwhelmed by the hurt they could possibly caused you, they rather deny it. Some of us will never be able to have the deep and real conversations with our family that are often so needed to overcome a lot of trauma, however, we must accept they are human, that it's simply too hard for them, because they themselves have not overcome the severity of their own trauma and we just have to accept and let go in order for us to move on and have healthier lives. 💗💗💗

[@rayesloneker6143]

Would like to brag that when Sophia was little, she went to a kids camp that my dad worked at as a college student. He saw one episode of OTH and immediately started talking about taking her on hikes at the camp. Sophia- if you're seeing this- Feaster says hello.

[@reddevilsunited7780]

I love Brooke, BUT MY GOD I LOVE SOPHIA, this women is smart, emotionally incredible and mature and fun. Great interview.

[@kaygirly19]

Sophia Bush is the real deal. Beautiful, smart and down to earth? Just wow. I respect a lot the fact that she doesn't talk about Chad Michael Murray. He's her past. Her present and future are with her new fiancé. By the way congratulations for that!!

[@onebuffalo5402]

I mean she talks about him quite a bit if you watch all these things she does lol she doesnt mention him by name but does bring up the experience all the time

[@darnitthelma4247]

Her marriage has lasted less than a year and now she’s with a woman😮 we need a podcast update!

[@mckrycek58]

What a great conversation you had with Sophia Bush! I always enjoy the show and this one really stands out. I've been a fan of Sophia's since the One tree Hill days, but never really knew anything about her on a personal level. What an interesting, articulate, and intelligent woman she is! Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to know her a little better. Keep up the good work.

[@jasminemagee410]

As someone who has never watched an episode of OTH or familiar with any of Sophia's other work I was surprised how much I loved this. Michael and Sophia had great rapport and Sophia was incredibly articulate and interesting to listen to.

[@tajeco]

She was really good in Chicago PD.

[@lukeevans729]

What I love about this show is that these are real conversations. They leave so much in that I think others would edit out. So many times you hear "We can edit that out" and they don't. This conversation at the end about Ryan being unhappy with Michael for making a possibly poor decision re: Covid health (in hindsight) - and they left it in. It's helpful for people to hear things like this. We think about our health and situation - but there's the impact to the people around us as well. Thanks for leaving it in boys. Honesty and truth are so important. Well done again!

[@leannepritchett6323]

Wow. Loved the reciprocity of this conversation. Found it interesting that Sophia brought up the defense mechanism point. I have thought this for a long time as well… thank you for keeping the conversation with Ryan in. It was an honest and real conversation that needed to happen. You guys are true friends and I am glad you were able to talk it out .

[@Videosaurus_Wrex]

THANKYOU, your interviews are a refreshing change from having people on to market their next project, genuine conversations from an empathetic dude, it's so nice not seeing 7 layers of crap in interviews

[@sihamdidi2300]

36:11 Sophia playing your therapist was so much fun 😂 Loved this episode

[@prncssgk19]

I’ve been a fan of Sophia’s for many, many years! She’s such an amazing actress and a wonderful humanitarian. Very excited for this interview. Another wonderful guest, Rosey! Thank you for all you do! Proud of you! 💙

[@sophiemiller1147]

Been a huge Sophia fan since One Tree Hill days. Thanks for asking my question! Sophia is so empowering, strong and a great woman who i hope inspires others ❤

[@mariahlamas7811]

she is the epitome of intelligent, empathetic, kind, wise, loving, and just pure genuine.

[@missslightlyschizo]

Whoever her therapist is deserves their hourly rate

[@sweetlikez]

This interview is excellent. I like how Sophia subverted the conversation with empathy and respect. Also her way of introducing family meetings to deal and work on herself and her traumas with her parents.. and it's a good idea to start Empathy Education since preschool till high school. It would have made a different in everybody's lives. Love how she reclaim her power from Mark. Mark wanted power and conquer. Glad that the three women got together and share their stories, advocating each other.

[@ThatGuyKerry]

She is just so awesome and lovely! Glad I recently discovered this podcast. I really really enjoyed the deep and relatable topics that you discuss with your guest! Let the good times roll 🤙🏻

[@lesleyh4312]

I love how Sophia called him out. 36:06. Apparently, if you try to bring C.M.M. up, she calls you up, but in a nice way? If Rosey were my brother, I'd tease him about having a crush on Miss Sophia...

[@zeth609]

Michael's chemistry with Charisma Carpenter, and Sophia is off the charts. Sophia is amazing. Great episode.

[@vivianbloom166]

Profound discussion today - I love Sophia's idea of reclaiming past experiences, owning them again. And *hugs* to you and Ryan. That conversation at the end wasn't easy to have, but important.

[@clairenicholls8024]

Watching and taking notes as I go. I really admire Sophia Bush. She's just amazing and I just could really use her all of her advices and I am excited to learn more from her !!

[@smalls9852]

She is so brilliant in her answers. And I absolutely agree about being realistic with relationships. Too often when we do not have a good example of a healthy relationship at home, we turn to movies and TV and novels to tell us what love should be. And that usually is not a realistic or even healthy relationship goal.

[@IkesPimpHand]

It's a whole bunch of absolute soul food gibberish.

[@rtroian83]

My lady Sophia just got engaged. She was my wife in my head for so long. I'm happy she's happy.

[@lolorella2860]

Having Sophia was a terrific idea, she is so full of grace and wisdom. (I too, wish people would stop bringing up that man in any interview. She is so much more.) Love her always

[@ThinkBeFree99]

Whats the story there? Is he a bad guy or they have a rocky relationship?

[@lolorella2860]

@@ThinkBeFree99 he was the one in the wrong and he was the cause of a lot of pain for her.

[@ThinkBeFree99]

@@lolorella2860 details?

[@jonathanbaird8109]

He was a part of her personal and professional life for 6 years of the show. Why would people not bring it up?

[@BKBKBK914]

I never ever post on youtube. I know this video was/ is almost a year old. But, wow. Sophia is amazing. She is so smart - has so much emotional maturity. I loved the boundaries she set; and how respectfully she enforced them. This should be a masterclass itself. She is so much more than her dating history and women are always being thrust as being literally their dating history. I loved that she pushed back consistently. I loved that she pushed you to unpack limiting beliefs you might of have expressed in this interview.

[@SamwiseRichardson]

I’ve never clicked an interview so fast. Big fan of how Michael interviews and Sophia is also a wonderful conversation. Thank you.

[@jasonnstegall]

Even Sophia’s acknowledgement of her imperfections makes her somehow an ideal person to hang with. Her choice of acting seems now to be an inevitability simply because she has the ability to do with her talents what Bruce Lee used to say regarding water taking whatever form the vessel is. She can be serious or funny, insightful or clueless, seemingly all-knowing and yet is more than willing to admit that she has much, much, much more to learn about certain things in life. Sophia’s so multi-faceted, she a real-life Incredible without completely realizing it most of the time!

[@KingdomLex]

Love Sophia! So happy to see this ep pop up in my feed. Glad you're feeling better Michael! ❤️

[@RadicalValkyrie]

I LOVE how she discussed the "gaslighting" that parents can do about memories and trauma.

[@emilydavenport7376]

Wow scrolled across this on KZbin and so glad I did, really enjoyed it. I was a huge fan on OTH and love Sophia, really like this podcast! Will be tuning in to other episodes

[@CyclonChick]

Very cool interview, loved it.

[@niko_seattle]

Super Vaxed could be the new normal phrasing. Thank you for including the end conversation - very real, very healthy, and shows what kind of healthy relationship you and Ryan have.

[@FrederickLopez]

Another wonderful interview. A new Inside of You podcast always makes my day.

[@kenjonyeong189]

I relistened to the section between minute 41 and 43 three to four times now, and I needed to hear it

[@ashleydunham6957]

This was great! She was everything you said about her and more. Thanks Rosey for this. Loved her as Brooke. Definitely checking out her podcasts.

[@LiLisa24]

Yay!!! A new episode of Inside of You 💙 Best thing about Tuesdays!! ^_^ Don’t know much about Sophia Bush. I’m looking forward to getting to know her more. Thank you so much for asking my question. John Tucker Must Die is one of my favourite movies. I own it on DVD haha. Thank you so much again for the amazing Stageit shows this past weekend. You will always have my love and support Michael. Thank you so much for everything and keep up the awesome work! Hope you have a fantastic week and Happy Tuesday 💙 Love you Michael ❤️

[@nicolecarson7605]

Thank you Michael. Great guest. I love her on NBC Chicago PD. It is relaxing hearing her stories. Very knowledgeable.

[@amberj3941]

I’ve always been such a fan of Sophia bush. She was my favorite character on OTC and I still love her so much. I feel horrible these girls had such a toxic work environment especially from a show that brought me so much joy.

[@BohemianKitsch]

She is so brilliant. the title of this episode feels like a disservice to the wisdom and clarity she offered. she deserves better than a tabloid title.

[@VioletEmerald]

She does.

[@kathyvincent921]

Great interview. Sophia’s character on One Tree Hill was always my favorite character. I’m sorry you got COVID but glad you survived.

[@laurayezagelian9042]

Sophia is so intelligent, I could listen to her talk for hours. Love listening to Drama Queens and Inside of You, looking forward to Good Sam coming out January!

[@leannepritchett6323]

Really glad she is the guest this week. I admire people who advocate for what they believe in. I know I will love this conversation 😊. So glad you are feeling better Rosey. Hope you have the absolute best week Sexy Lexy 😊❤️

[@kathleennovak8521]

Excellent interview, Michael and Sophia!

[@LSChestersMom]

Great talk and so happy you are better!

[@GuyeBtv]

this was soooooooooo goood! i loved every single moment of this interview!!

[@Dave004]

Glad to hear Rosenbaum is better, such a great personality and youngest 49 year old i've ever heard or seen! Keeps me feeling young in my mid 30's

[@Rainycitysneaks]

She’s 39

[@Dave004]

@@Rainycitysneaks I was talking about Rosenbaum, he's 49.

[@Linda-hf7vr]

always great Michael! thanks

[@baygona]

As if Michael already doesn't suck you in with his convo skills, in comes Sophia Bush! What a good episode. I had never heard him and Ryan "argue" either. So happy they're both healthy.

[@martaparchimowicz1280]

Sophia is not aging at all! Lovely, smart woman! It was a blast to watch two my fave people together. Lex Luthor and Brooke Davis. Both iconic!

[@anthonyf3168]

I have to say I'm halfway through this video and Aria I can tell just by the way she's talking about topics and everything she would be an amazing mom one day

[@TheHpjohnson08]

This made me adore Sophia bush so much more if that is even possible! Her brain and personality overall are so beautifully amazing! I’m a grown woman with a legit crush lol. You go girl!! Thank you so much for using your voice and reaching so many people. You are incredible

[@burnthepast89]

Not long found this podcast its great but love that Sophia starts interviewing you amazing she’s incredible

[@_Celine_26]

She is such a queen. Intelligent, wise, compassionate. I wish you invited more female keyspeakers to your show.

[@cynthiacross8857]

Get completely well, Michael! I know you are over the major hurdle of COVID, but wishing you good health! Great interview with Sophia Bush. I'm interested now to watch False Positive. I don't watch horror movies much, but the trailer has me intrigued. I don't watch horror because I disturb my husband's sleep, because I end up sleeping with the lights on due to being afraid at night, lol! But this movie makes me want to take the chance! Thank you! Keep up the great work! You're an awesome interviewer!

[@tmntaddict]

My mother's a narcissist and impossible to be shown her mistakes; my dad took 30 years to tell me that my childhood was a lie because she twisted/manipulated everything. I would've loved to be able to have family meetings and discuss feelings. Thankfully I found an amazing therapist. Added fun fact: Jackson Brundage who played their son happens to be my second cousin.

[@kimmyrusso666]

Best episode ever love the chemistry between the two. Makes me wish you two had a show together.

[@furedokrueger6919]

I listen to the podcast on Spotify, but always miss to put a comment here in KZbin. This was a great episode, Sophia is a force of nature!!

[@ace360]

Always look forward to this on every Tuesday! You rock Micheal 💙🤘

[@authorrayrogers]

Speaking of Sophia's voice being great for voiceovers... If I ever got to make a Teen Titans animated film, she'd be my choice for Raven, hands down.

[@FacebookQueen]

I would love her as Raven

[@christopherpinnock7900]

Great interview

[@EmmaAus]

What a great conversation, thanks for sharing - subscribed 😊

[@EmmaAus]

Side note, I wish more people popped their podcasts on youtube... Can't find her "Work in Progress" podcast on here...

[@eunbitpark5251]

She aged so well. She's so beautiful!

[@brittinimitchell5699]

Never have I been witness to a more beautiful conversation!

[@michelleking8302]

This podcast is one of the few things I have going for me this morning 🌄 😴☕ #draggingass Happy Tuesday ✌️💙🎧

[@leannepritchett6323]

Aww. Hope your day has gotten better ❤️

[@zakiyaseedat3180]

I really enjoyed this podcast. This was a really lovely conversation.

[@priscillaxsafi]

I can relate to almost everything especially the topics of love and parents! Healing is not easy but it’s necessary. Sophia is star

[@rishi3233]

great interview :)

[@hellclinton]

Excellent interview and loved how eloquent Sophia was. Sorry to hear you got COVID - having been through it this year after being safe all last year…I get it. Stay safe.

[@esterpatkova4688]

Great episode! Really improves my day in the f***ing information centre where I have to deal with total jerks. 🤣🤣 Working with people is always hard.

[@guenthecat6582]

I knew exactly zero about Sophia Bush before this podcast. I am now a fan. I would love to sit and talk nerdy psychology and history with her some day!

[@privacyghost]

Insightful/Love it. Thanks

[@stevesveryown]

Omg, I'm listening to the podcast on a drive from Chicago to south bend, Indiana. I loved her in Chicago P.D.

[@penguinvsminja]

Very much enjoyed this one. This is one of my top episodes for sure now.

[@delphinefrerot3460]

I really love her evolution as a woman and as an artist. She has a way of stepping back from things that is incredible. She is a great example of intelligence, beauty and positive vibes. She’s is unbelievably smart and so down to earth. She’s my favorite human being.

[@booksandsip8663]

LOVE Sophia! So glad she was a guest. Glad you are feeling better.

[@kellielassig7966]

Great to see her on here! Thanks for sharing. 💜

[@Smallville-cl4cu]

Good Covid conversation at the end, great interview as well.

[@davidsepulveda8794]

Another great episode, Rosey. Loved Sophia on Chicago P.D.

[@carlyrose3751]

41:55 when he says “phew that gives me anxiety”… uh yeah. That’s an understatement. I had a knot in my throat with tears starting…. Just because of the shear thought of it.. but really good ideas and advice here.

[@andiemartz8224]

I'm a new subscriber just found you and I love it. Sophia such a beauty inside and out. Michael you're great. Xoxo from Mexico City 💕🤗😘

[@Loisandclark_forever]

This whole episode was great, especially the end bit with Michael and Ryan.❤

[@christinaw2518]

Lmaoooooo Sophie Bush is my soul sister! I have enjoyed this episode so much. I am near the end and had to comment after she said “that’s how fun I am, I get drunk and read books” OMG same but I do weed.

[@itsnotthatdeepluv]

ahh i’m so ready for this

[@disc33]

Yes! What a fantastic way to start the morning. Thanks, Michael!

[@nicolehennessey1651]

Hell yes! I was hoping you would have her in at some point! So exciting!!! :)

[@lucaleone4331]

In general its harder to watch OTH show again knowing all of this. But then the added disgust of when Mark makes appearances himself! (hes the record store owner for those who dont know) and he's always supposed to come off as the sympathetic, knowledgeable, caring guy. I just rewatched the episode after Lindsey and Lucas' failed wedding. And mark is there with Peyton being a shoulder to cry on and offer advice. And I just cant separate the monster from the character. I just cant stop seeing how good Hilarie Burton is as an actress to film that scene and not show being disgusted. She's the only one I think to get these scenes with him, she must have hated it.

[@francheska3128]

Mark? What happened?

[@lucaleone4331]

@@francheska3128 mark Schwan' is the show creator and the ones that the ladies usually talk about being a monster. He makes appearances in the show sometimes (the record store owner) It's hard to rewatch the show with those scenes now.

[@GenevaDetommaso]

Hey Michael I met you once at dragoncon, real genuine guy! You put all my loveS Michael we had a good laugh. Always a fan, you can also do whatever you want, all the things you told sophia can be applied to you as long as you keep your head up, I have 9 herniations and have gotten one surgery so far, and pain taking control of your life is awful, not many understand. I'm sorry you go through the same as me. Take care of yourself Geneva