Sorcery Beta had an INSANE weekend - Sorcery TCG

[@KitchenTableTCG]

1) An all new 4 player grid perfect for trying out 4 player Sorcery! gamegrove.gg/products/4-player-playmat-lady-in-the-lake-sorcery-contested-realm-kttcg?variant=44764140208353 2) The second "Paired Play Mat" which is 2 individual play mats that fit together to create one scene - but are compatible with other play mats when you play in an event. gamegrove.gg/products/kttcg-sorcery-paired-playmat-arthurian-legends

[@williamincremona8771]

Wow the new playmat looks sick! About to pick one up now. I dont have a 4 player mat... so adding one to the collection with some awesome art is clutch. Thanks Louie keep it up, love the videos and content! Have a great day

[@TuxThinks]

Definitely want one but I just bought a crap ton of foils before the prices skyrocketed and all the artist playmats so I will have to hope these are available in the future once I have more fun money.

[@wizardsden666]

It looks awesome!

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

Eric is a good owner. He will lead the ship well.

[@Aiwass232]

Don't really care that "investors" cannot get more product. Players need more product not an unlimited supply but more than what was printed.

[@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING]

People are speculating that the print run for Beta was somewhere in the very large range of 60k - 100k boxes. So at the low end double the amount of alpha and on the high end almost 4× the amount of alpha. It's very easy in hindsight to go back and say what should or should not have happened but I'd say that anywhere in this speculated range was a healthy estimate at the time the decision to print beta was made.

[@WonOneWun]

If they print just for collectors but nobody is playing the game does it really matter?

[@cardboard_battlefield]

Sales and events are surpassing expectations. Where is the information that nobody is playing? Where is the information that the game, where the meta decks consist of mostly ordinary/exceptional rarity, is for collectors only?

[@Dstinct]

@@cardboard_battlefield The number of events firing outside of large cities is minimal at best. I saw more FFG LCGs being played at my local shop than Sorcery, and those are all dead games.

[@cardboard_battlefield]

@@Dstinct Yes you have stores that has never even heard of Sorcery but you also have stores/hubs where the game is booming and events are growing in players and happening more often. That current process happens with all new TCGs. One of the two local LGSs don't even run pokemon or F&B events nor have any local support. That doesn't mean anything on the grand scale for those two games.

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

I hope your talking about another game cuz Sorcery is blowing up!!! Hater????

[@WonOneWun]

My LGS has 0 sorcery product and has no nights dedicated to Sorcery in the Kansas City Metro so it’s not like I’m in BFE. Lorcana SWU(which JUST launched) MTG, Pokémon and sports is all they do. Just doesn’t seem good for sorcery.

[@alternativereality-e6i]

For most people cardboard isn’t life. Once a year release is great. The game is fun, has great art, and it’s collectible. Just wait until AL and buy it if you missed out. A games second set is always great. 6 months isn’t that long. Also, Team Covenant still has starters on sale for new players. The worst thing for this game is the game piece mentality.

[@csg1724]

Rudy probably spiked the price right before his sale so he could sell at the "market" price

[@1Raroy]

This is not a game for game stores or players. That was just a secondary plan to achieve what just happened, the emptying of the market. You will have no product for 7 months, then the new set will sell out instantly, then you will not have product for 13 months.

[@Flipper83]

Thats all fine with me , i just hope i can get a few cases of the next set AL

[@RV_300]

You do bring up a fair point about next set, AL, selling out quickly now that Sorcery enthusiasts have seen the limited Beta supply sell out. That concern may have to be directly addressed by Sorcery.

[@silverwolf6866]

@@RV_300 huh? selling out quickly is not a concern for any company on this planet. Not selling the product due to destroying collectability IS a concern.

[@RV_300]

Agreed, but not all companies on the planet want to leave money on the table. My concern is more about selling out quickly and LGSs not having product to help with community building.

[@silverwolf6866]

@@RV_300 True some companies act out of greed wanting to not "leave money on the table" by over printing and they are now dead or permanently damaged their brand. Metazoo is the most recent example of dead. "leave money on the table" is literally want makes any collectable a collectable.

[@kartgal]

Sorcery starts at 0:11

[@KitchenTableTCG]

lol the goat strikes again.

[@MrAdamJoel]

We want demand. At a certain point having increased supply doesn’t turn into new players and it’s just the same buyers/sellers trading with one another. On to the next set. I am thankful this product is nothing like MTG with its releases and runs. Buyers should be rewarded for being early adopters, not penalized by the manufacturer printing more supply. Great content. I ordered the 4 way mat! Great idea!

[@Deimel17]

Bloomburrow has major hype and Pokemon is exploding. You can frame it all you want, but most people don't have your mindset and won't drop a TCG they've enjoyed for 10 to 20 years for sorcery. For most people, tcgs are a hobby. Not a once a year buyout.

[@James61354]

this is the exact problem that drove a ton of people away from mtg.. people caring to much about price/value. if the game isnt affordable and easy to enter people are going to avoid it. its all great right now for the few people who got in early but its never going to attract new players. lorcana was the same way. to many "flippers/resellers" drove the prices up and its really limited its growth. yes those people play and the game is alive.. but it could have been massive and had triple or more players instead of just whales. the best card in any given mtg game should never cost more than idk $5.. its freaking cardboard and a game piece.

[@jarad9946]

oh cool so like when are we gonna be able to buy product and play the game?

[@antharper11]

As a newer player, this price increase in many staples (looking at all the stones and unique sites) is very deterring. Once a year release doesn't seem like it'll help the prices come down either. With Star Wars coming out and being such a hit, doesn't seem good for Sorcery.

[@Deimel17]

Yup

[@Mokmanrs]

Rudy is putting out 6,000 boxes on Friday (to be stagger shipped during the month because of the time needed to slab the promo cards). I do not know if this is the so called "contingent supply" or not. I would think not since this release has been in the works for a while.

[@revenantentertainment]

6k boxes going to hit the market after the Rudy sale so

[@eugeneferrari4748]

All sorcery has to do is create a player base. If it can hit FaB level players, it has a chance, but an uphill one. How many high fantasy tcg’s are there?

[@stuvius]

Yeah let's create a player base without cards

[@silverwolf6866]

@@stuvius If you can't afford some cheap cards maybe it's time to stop playing card games and go look for a job.

[@Deimel17]

​@@silverwolf6866No one in my city is playing. Stores don't support play. What has the sorcery team done to encourage LGSs to have game nights? Sorcery wants the community to do all the heavy lifting. It's not about cheap or expensive cards.

[@silverwolf6866]

@@Deimel17 Yes, literally "no one" in your city is playing. You must have spent a lot of time knocking on doors. If I like the game, I play it and so do any normal people. No random business looking to take my money is going to decide what I play. Stores support play for anything that makes them MONEY. Sorcery does not make them money as they can't get wholesale boxes to dump on you.

[@NEOS-Scott]

I thought all the "contingent product' you reference in this video was already distributed to Canada and EU? My understanding was that's where the very limited product that hit the market in those areas in February came from. the timing of Simon's comments on the Discord and the timing of the product distribution in Canada/EU coincided perfectly. I'm not sure there is any more Beta anywhere other than Alpha Investments.

[@CUTS_cards]

I think this mostly hurts growth of new players over the next seven months. Skyrocketing prices will deter. Seven months for AL is a LONG time if product is gone at affordable prices.

[@CUTS_cards]

I have boxes and LOVE this game! I hope Erik and team walk this line well (I expect they will)… i wish the dragon mini set would have been released between now and AL. I think that could have helped with the 7 month delay. But they didn’t know when product would sell out to plan that.

[@mrtattoocharlie]

Just picked up a couple 4player mats from ya for my local group. I think itll get some commander players interested for sure

[@Yayatieth]

Not everyone, mine are in the collection closet Sold the single graded and selling playmat cards are gone for good

[@oldmanmagic7237]

I have been chasing some unique foils and fortunately ended up buying some boxes a few days before TC ran out. It will be interesting to see where prices settle. Also the dual site buyout was an interesting add as well.

[@alain7516]

So much chatter around beta selling out, this sort of yearly drama is a great way to generate interest between releases!

[@Pharguie]

Yep, buying cases from all the local stores. Then donating 30,000 bulk split up between those stores.

[@joesullivan9750]

If Alpha print was 30k boxes, Beta was 60k, do you print Arthurian Legends at 60k or 90k boxes?

[@NEOS-Scott]

AL is going to be a slightly smaller set, so even if they printed 60k boxes, there will be more copies of each card printed than in Beta. 90k would be way too high. (EDIT: Unless they drop down to 24 packs in a box)

[@CaiusGnome]

Contingent inventory from EC for beta could just mean those boxes on the way to EU Canada

[@stuvius]

Way too low print run. I won't ever draft Beta or even open packs, and neither will anyone in my area. All boxes in Sweden sold out on preorder along with the playmats. I'm really hyped for the game and it looks extremely fun, but not being able to try it due to investors treating a card game like the stock market is very frustrating.

[@BustaChimes]

8:18 people forget magic was like this 10+ years ago regularly. I got booster boxes for 90-100 and almost always got 100-110 of value min out of them

[@CrosswaIk]

If anyone thinks their Beta singles have value like this then I think the smart move is to sell into it. A lot of us seemed to have opened 100+ Beta boxes and that's not showing with the tcgplayer singles...yet 😅

[@EdwintheMagicEngineer]

I'm absolutely LOVING sorcery and I'm extremely happy that Erik and the SCR crew recognize that crushing the collector/investor segment is a really bad idea for a CCG. Totally fine for a normal game like Dominion or Monopoly etc. But if you want to sell "rare" and "collectible" cards in randomized boosters at $4 per pack... you NEED to honor the implicit promise of keeping them rare.

[@Flipper83]

i am so ffing hyped for AL , better get and be ready, because i think it will sell out in weeks !

[@jcgrx2251]

Days, 6 months will be just enough time to save for many box cases.

[@Hytaz_Fjord]

So I heard a rumour that you pay a fee for each ticket sold as an event organizer for sorcery play network events, is this true?

[@KitchenTableTCG]

True if you do payment through play network.

[@danw3735]

just managed to get my hands on 5 boxes of beta. :D still have a bunch of alpha cards. Sold my foil Alpha Death Dealer and Foil Alpha Courtesan ages ago, not sure if I regret selling but got around 5k for both.

[@yea3603]

I just hope prices don’t keep going up so I can actually get cards. There is a difference between something being collectible in the future for players instead of making it so expensive that year two any new player can be priced out.

[@ezza5489]

When supply is low, prices tend to rise. When the next set releases, get in early as price will be stable for several months after release. As the game grows, a "revised" set may come up. If you are new to Sorcery, the 4 pre-constructed decks are an awesome way to start as well. Still available and great value for money.

[@Deimel17]

I live in a major Midwestern City and unfortunately no LGS's carry sorcery and since most have to keep up with the most recent Pokemon and magic, alongside with any popular new games like Star wars or Lorcana, any support has dwindled to nothing. No gameplay support, no boxes to be found. I think sorcery will always have a dedicated core, but widespread appeal isn't going to happen. The hype was real, but not having quarterly sets isn't a good business model.

[@shermhart7617]

Tools heard Rudy has shitty mat and promo so timmys must buy with tax money. Just like metazoo to moon

[@LasVegasCollectibles]

The first evidence of Sorcery not keeping their word...REPRINTS coming 😂...it's a slow hard path to the top of the mountain and a easy fast fall to the bottom...how many more times will sorcery not live up to their word...

[@yumyumeatemup]

It kinda sucks that Beta is officially sold out and we are still like 6 months out from Arthurian Legends. This makes it so much harder for people to get into the game this far out from the next major set dropping and prices immediately begin spiking out of nothing but pure speculation. I was hoping that Beta could be the set for players and Alpha the set for collectors/speculators but it just wasnt meant to be. Hopefully Arthurian Legends has a decent supply chain for it.

[@silverwolf6866]

hmm beta is still everywhere its just more expensive. If they want to get into it they are free to do so. Look at the price of a MTG collectors box.

[@hopperpeace]

at least they could have given europe more supply :(

[@khadorstrong]

We're gonna see more restocks directly to TC again. Eric isn't going to allow this, as basically, it makes it impossible for any new gamer to get into it That said, I think you vastly over state the 'demand'. There's definitely demand, but since we have ZERO idea how many boxes TC had, we can't say it had huge demand or not. They could have been selling 1-2 boxes a day and that's it. They already made a COLLECTABLE version. Alpha. Beta should not be hyper collectable.

[@lechasseurdemothman]

Metazoo to the Moon 🤔

[@Deimel17]

I'm a sorcery fan, but I'd cool it with that Metazoo joke. I'm in a big city and there is no interest in sorcery by LGSs. Zero. Facebook groups have disbanded and there's no MSRP product for anyone just finding sorcery. I enjoyed opening sorcery, but with only one set so far, the desire to open it got stale really really quickly.

[@therealcancerofyoutube8174]

KZbin shorts man promoting a dead game with an alpha print run of 10 boxes and beta run of 50. Imagine what George would say if he saw this

[@cardboard_battlefield]

Alpha print was 30k at Kickstarter and anyone who bought in for collecting/reselling has effectively 10x their money in 2 years. Nobody knows the beta print runs and with it selling out in half of expected times is more safe to say things are simply surpassing expectations. Not much else to say on it beyond personal opinion or future assumptions.

[@therealcancerofyoutube8174]

@@cardboard_battlefield Tell me you have a bag without telling me you have a bag, buy Goatcana and thank me in 10 years

[@Flipper83]

dead game? it just started and seems very succesfull ,while all other card games decline in value , sorcery hasnt

[@CrosswaIk]

​@@cardboard_battlefieldThat doesn't make it a game, it makes it a dying currency if more people aren't buying in

[@cardboard_battlefield]

@@CrosswaIk Your using an "if" as the foundation for some point in an environment where there are and have been new players on board, hence the fast sell-through. I was only correcting the original trollish exaggeration of the original post.

[@Screenwatcher33]

I worry for Sorcery. Yes your brand new game is collectible but if you can’t bring in new players and you only have one set a year it’s going to get forgotten. There is so much competition for a players time and money. I can walk into a store and buy magic, lorcana, even Star Wars that is short on product as well but still available

[@sandiegosnakes]

Sorcery's vision is to be your favorite side (secondary) game. I think this is really smart not to try and compete with the bigger companies/games. Some folks won't stick around due to the release tempo and product availability, but I think this can still work.

[@Dstinct]

@@sandiegosnakesMy favorite secondary game is just a different MTG format, using cards I already own.

[@sandiegosnakes]

@@Dstinct Happy for ya man! I guess Sorcery isn't for you.

[@Barrager69]

I wouldn't worry about newer games that sell very very well and continue to do so long after release. If AL comes out and sucks or doesn't sell, then it might be a time to worry.

[@TuxThinks]

Other than Lorcana I don't see the 'hot new' TCGs like One Piece, Star Wars, etc lasting. Sorcery I do think will last. The reason why is that those TCGs attract a lot of attention fast with their IP but then overtime people grow bored of the product or the company goes for a cash grab and tanks the market. Bandai and Fantasy Flight Games are very well known for that. Sorcery on the other hand is building grass roots highly dedicated players slowly and organically. Yeah it isn't going to happen fast, but the game is the best TCG I have played. Period. Between art quality, gameplay, community, etc, everything is 10/10 IMHO. Slow and steady wins the race.

[@stopfgans2496]

Sorcery goes brrrr 😎🚀

[@Flipper83]

🥳

[@fastock9127]

The focus right now needs to be 100% on AL. If they do another printrun of Beta, sure, it gets more cards out there for new players but does absolutely nothing for those of us currently playing and collecting and they stand to lose us. If AL is a quality product that can stand on its own AND adds to Alpha/Beta, it can bring in new players as well as drive excitement and engagement from the current base.

[@hover2go]

As a collector and occasional player I would love them to print more beta. I have a lot of uniques left to get but I'm not paying 300+ a box

[@NEOS-Scott]

As of about a month ago, they said directly (on the official Discord) that they had no plans currently to print more Beta. Let's just take for the sake of the argument that they decided today to do a slightly smaller print run of Beta because TC ran out (unlikely they would even care about TC running out in order to make a decisions, but let's run with it), it would probably take 2 months to print/pack, and another 1-2 months to ship and hit distribution. We're talking, late-July, or August, at best based on the absolute best turnaround times. They also have to take into consideration the printing of AL in order to hit shelves in 4Q, like they are planning. Based on the historical timeline of the Beta print and distribution (which estimated to have started printing in June 2023 and no worldwide street date until NOVEMBER 2023) they have to basically start printing Beta today and probably not turn off the printers for AL until summer. TLDR, I'd wager that there is no Beta reprint until after AL, and at that point it's probably not "Beta" and instead a different product (Unlimited, Revised, whatever you want to call it)

[@jcgrx2251]

@@hover2goSome estimate that prices will gradually decrease after the spike then go back up after AL release. Alpha will go up as well at the same time right now it’s at 1,200 a box.

[@TripsAhoy]

I passed on the kickstarter. I will pass on beta. I will pass on this game.

[@Goat-tb9re]

Welp, see ya later.

[@BustaChimes]

Play on the TTS mod Curiosa made for free. It’s really fun even if that all you ever play

[@Ookie1776]

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