Sorlock Guide Updated

[@intrinsical]

Given that Harengon will be found in Monsters of the Multiverse, which is a general book meant for all settings, I would call the Harengon a setting agnostic race.

[@LoreFoundry]

Maybe, except the race to my knowledge was never mentioned before 5e.

[@Awoken0]

@@LoreFoundry That doesn't matter.

[@LoreFoundry]

@@Awoken0 my point is it's a feywild race. Which by definition isn't agnostic.

[@matiasrostworowski5141]

@@LoreFoundry No. Obviously nothing in D&D is strictly setting agnostic, but every true D&D setting has the Feywild, or some equivilant. Harengon are no more setting agnostic than orcs. A DM can obviously make a setting without Harengon just like they can without Orcs, but both are core to the game itself, not a specific setting.

[@darthwikkie]

07:00 "So let's talk a little bit about what Clockwork Soul does for us." It wins at Sorcerer is what it does.

[@AlgaeGaming]

Free subtle spell with Psionic Spells makes Aberrant Mind close, though. (But you're right, not enough to beat the insane spell variety of Clockwork Soul.)

[@ezdepaz4363]

Allowing 1 sorc point casts of silvery barbs is also amazing!

[@jimgauth]

@@ezdepaz4363 Yes, I'm of the opinion that the subtle metamagic is redundant and feats can make up for clockwork sorcerer advantage, making aberrant sorcerer have better spell economy, especially if you're not going to play tier 4.

[@SpiderWaffle]

I think Divine Souls offers more through 2 levels, and Shadow more at L6. The amazing clockwork ability doesn't come until L14, but all those extra great spell choices just help so much.

[@M0ebius]

In the context of Hexblade Sorlocks, Clockwork Soul has easily the most powerful spell list, but Aberrent Mind has a big edge in terms of resource efficiency. They are number one and two respectively. A Hexblade Divine Soul though is very unique and can be built to function very differently and be optimized to fit into many roles, so easily number three but the best if you are just dipping.

[@johnwilcox8596]

So I know that Harengon was chosen for mechanical reasons, but I love the thematic combination with a Clockwork Soul Sorcerer. Very Lewis Carrol.

[@joshuarawlins7793]

I'm so happy to see you update some builds. I just played a version of your cockroach build in a one shot vs Tiamat and she could not touch me.

[@yanderenejoyer]

Hyped for Sorcadin and Palalock revision, I've been wanting to play a variation on those.

[@shanem8145]

Seconded. Getting started for a game and picking one of these

[@AyamesChronicles]

What about the cursed sorlocadin?

[@yuvalgabay1023]

@@AyamesChronicles the bardsorlocdin

[@mr.dantastic5073]

@@AyamesChronicles the ultimate griefer

[@alanschaub147]

You can cast Sleep on the same group of creature twice. The ones that fell asleep the first time are then excluded from the hit point count the second time, and so you can get even more opponents unconscious. 😴

[@cdnarmymedic]

It wasn't mentioned in the video, so I'll point it out here. At (likely) Sorcerer level 2 (Char lvl 4) Sleep is swapped out for Absorb Elements. Noticed it on the Character Sheet, but it was not explicitly stated in the video. Great vid as always Chris.

[@SpiderWaffle]

15:05 Hexblade effectively gives you moderately armored feat, that's the crux of it. For a campaign I love the fun utility you can you have with Genie though. Carrying a 10ft pole around is obtuse and often isn't long enough, no problem, pull out your 28ft gaff from your vessel when you need it. Need to scale a 3 story smooth wall or tower, go go gadget ladder, like a magic clown. Something is going to sneak in invisible? take me in my vessel, now invisible too, with you. You or some object can't fit through the small gap? but your vessel can ☺ Need to do some serious heavy moving? Ransack the mansion, statues, fountains, banana trees, it doesn't matter, take it all wherever you want, venders will be impressed.

[@asurethedm]

You sir made me spill my coffee

[@simondiamond9628]

Take my like, you filthy heathen. Lol. Seriously though, I have done this with a Genie Pact Chain-lock before, in a one-shot. It was fun.

[@ninjasquirrels]

@@simondiamond9628yup, invisible flying familiar carrying your clown car around…priceless.

[@snazzyfeathers]

The Harengon is in the top tier of lineages for me. Perception is always a good skill to pick up, lucky footwork is a nice addition, hare trigger is fantastic, and that rabbit hop ability... oh man.

[@dragonhearthx8369]

Rabbit hop is also hilarious. Be a wizard. Cast jump on your self. Bonus action hop 30 ft into the air. Die when landing.

[@Briansgate]

Gee, a playerlikes OP choices. Imagine that.

[@dragonhearthx8369]

@@Briansgate why so salty? Did someone take your foot or something?

[@Briansgate]

@@dragonhearthx8369 Just stating the obvious.

[@pencilbender]

@@Briansgate just dont be salty m8. Its ok to be fun sometimes

[@harjutapa]

Harengon is easily my new favorite race, even moreso than the feat races. Feats aren't unique, getting one at first level is just an acceleration. What the Haregon gives is not quite unique either, but proficiency to Initiative is rare, as is the pseudo-teleportation without using spell slots.

[@ChazTheYouthful]

"Jump. It isn't shit anymore."

[@harjutapa]

@@remyb6854 except without using spell slots, and multiple uses of Misty Step.

[@Bernardonogmo]

I love the Idea of revisiting old builds, Hope to see more of this!

[@TreantmonksTemple]

That's the plan!

[@sciencescripture]

@@TreantmonksTemple just a suggestion but please change your dndbeyond character sheet to dark mode for your videos from now on, thanks.

[@cmccbuilds8229]

@@TreantmonksTemple Can't wait!

[@levipeterken4020]

@@TreantmonksTemple I'd love to see if you would change your God Mage at all

[@Ashkinda]

Another use for subtle spell which has come up at our table is the ability to cast a spell whilst unable to breathe or to not start drowning underwater. This is more likely to happen with spelljammer on the horizon if your character leaves an air bubble for example

[@SamXala]

You should do a re-do of the conjurer with the new summoning spells, that would be helpful

[@jacobjensen7704]

This!

[@yonatanbalouka9182]

Yes please

[@alejandrogomezdelmoralguer3502]

Chris: since you’re thinking of redoing bladesinger, a thought. It is my humble opinion that one of the very best use cases for Harengon is the Bladesinger, inasmuch as every feature gets use. Wizards like going first, perception is always fantastic, lucky footwork is important for a melee wizard, since you might actually end up in range of a draconic breath attack, and the rabbit hop is your bonus action disengage, which again, a mobile melee wizard will want. Melee war wizard could work too ofc. And I say wizard btw because perception is NOT on the wizard list. That raises the value of leporine senses for a Harensinger.

[@Zack.Knuckles]

Or a Melee Abjuration Wizard. Not saying it’s optimal, but it works for any somewhat defensive mage

[@reedsmith8975]

I think you are right about subtle spell being a little context dependent. On some channels (that are generally very good), they have argued scrolls can never be counterspelled because there are no material or somatic components. Seems to me pretty obvious that if you are busting out a SPELL scroll in combat, someone is going to be able to anticipate that you are casting a spell

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I mean, I guess the question there is if counterspell is even necessary when you could put a fire bolt to the scroll itself.

[@kirin347]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 can't cast Fire Bolt as a reaction.

[@danieltrumble2974]

from what I understand the only thing that isn't required when casting from a spell scroll is material components so unless the spell being casted only had material components( as far as I know this doesn't exist ) I'd allow it to be counterspelled. Just personal standing but its how I am reading the rules for spell scrolls.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@kirin347 I mean... with Warcaster you totally can, spells for attacks of opportunity, and such.

[@kirin347]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Totally true, and I would love to burn a scroll with a reaction Fire Bolt, but I don't see how we can RAW, even with Warcaster. But if your DM allows it, it would be cool. But then we would all have to get fireproof scrolls! Only 100gp more....

[@lightning2034]

The clock Blocker. Well played sir i love it

[@dragonhearthx8369]

One good thing about magic missile is that it is a concentration disruptor. 3 con saves with a 1st level spell.

[@UnkaJosh]

Agreed. I've called it "1st level Dispel Magic," and used it exactly that way. Oh, you thought you were going to escape our party by casting Gaseous Form? Nope!

[@SpiderWaffle]

It does all the damage simultaneously though, hence the 1 damage roll. The con saves come from "Whenever you take damage" which is only once regardless of how many missiles.

[@dragonhearthx8369]

@@SpiderWaffle yes but it is 3 missles. They all hit simultaneously, yes, but since you can hit up to 3 people at once it's hitting the target 3 times. It's not 3d4+3 but 3x 1d4+1. If it was the former, yeah only one save; but it's not, so 3 saves.

[@spencercurcillo8148]

It's worth noting though that successfully sleeping the target would also disrupt concentration. Might be even more reliable than casting MM at levels 1-4 or so, assuming you can isolate the caster. That said I doubt many campaigns put PCs up against many casters concentrating on spells at those low levels.

[@dragonhearthx8369]

@@spencercurcillo8148 but you have no control of who you put to sleep first.

[@Graxil]

Spilled the water I was drinking when you revealed the name of the build, nice one Chris

[@andrewkennedy5946]

Warlock 2 can be substituted with Extra Invocation. You do lose a fair bit (Repelling Blast & Feat being the big items), but you do get that extra level of spell progression.

[@ctherians]

Since damage isn't the primary focus probably best forgoing agonizing if going this route.

[@SpiderWaffle]

And you don't give up warlock spell slots either, would probably be best for a L4 5 or 6 character.

[@Kurse_of_Kall]

@@SpiderWaffle a 1st level warlock only has 1 spell slot.

[@SpiderWaffle]

@@Kurse_of_Kall 😯

[@VileScarMind]

Good call discussing subtle spell with material components. Popped up for me last week. DMG says using a material component is perceivable. It's going to be DM fiat and depend on how spellcasting works in the world, but the usual depiction of use of components is that there are visible magical effects when using them.

[@tornagh9200]

Divine soul sorcerer has received a significant stealth buff. It has access to the new spell called spirit shroud. Using that instead of hex pushes up the DPR of a sorclock from 160 to 273 (with same attack modifiers). It also allows for nova above 500.

[@fubarace1027]

Oh noes!! Your character sheet went down for this build!!

[@lesfeckingo]

Oh hells yes, 1 hour and 4 min. Can listen to this while I work!

[@xInsane333x]

It would be fun to get a followup discussing some of the alternative options around the Sorlock-such as other subclasses and how they could interact, potential dips into Bard or Paladin, Feats, and magic items (Bloodwell Vial vs Rod of the Pact Keeper is an interesting conversation!).

[@darthwikkie]

What have we done to deserve this bounty of content lately? I might have to change alignments.

[@Nubbletech]

From which alignment to which?

[@panathenaea]

Currently running a bladesinger. Looking forward to the new build!

[@pranakhan]

Your Guardian build inspired the creation of one of my favorite characters I have designed, that I am saving for my next campaign after BG: DiA wraps up for us at the end of this quarter. Several of your builds have made it into my character designs mechanically, and I am grateful for your content. Thanks again

[@joeandrade721]

I like that you’re taking a look at some older builds. New content, new options since they first came out!

[@SpiderWaffle]

4:12 I'm not so sure the web lasts, in the air, a whole round. It says "the conjured web collapses on itself," with a comma, thus concluding that separate instruction. What "collapses on itself" means is subjective but I would think if it were the air and collapsed on itself it wouldn't say in the air. Then, after this, the spell ends at the start of your next turn. Commas matter.

[@anonymouse2675]

Mine is the first 2 levels in artificer for the 2 infusions (+1 weapon, +1 studded leather), spare the dying cantrip, cure wounds and arcane weapon first level spells, and Constitution and Intelligence Proficiencies. Then the next 18 levels in Bladesinger wizard for all the wizardly goodness, including 9th level spells. Spare the dying and cure wounds are both touch and can be cast through your familiar. Super handy for a wizard. The +1 studded leather is the same AC as mage armor and is always up, so now I freed up a spell slot for something else. The +1 weapon with the arcane weapon spell and booming blade or green flame blade makes this feel a little bit like a paladin at early/mid level melee. Other than the occasional spell like Steel Wind Strike, Fire Shield or Spirit Shroud, the rest I do as a normal control/damage/utility wizard. Later on if or when I get some better armor or a weapon I swap out my infusions for a bag of holding and either goggles of night or an alchemy jug. If allowed, I go variant human with the tough feat, and get the war caster feat at some point. Other feats if or when necessary. Mobile is especially good for a bladesinger, both to get into and out of melee.

[@kevinkabali7201]

Personally, I always look for interesting multi classes that come into play early, for example at level 8 (5+3 mostly) or earlier and are fun till level 12 or 14. Because while theory crafting is fine and fun in the end we never even get to level 20 or if we hit it campaign end follows closely. And as far as I know, that's true for most. Maybe a fun multi class at level 8 video would be an idea.

[@pablolicata]

Thumbs up if the name "The Clock Blocker" made you laugh

[@BOBBOB-bo2pj]

Makes me 80% sure treantmonk has read Worm

[@eXyliad]

Around the 3min mark, I had to pause the video to laugh, look at the comments to search for a comment like this, and continue the video

[@TheMany42]

Worm Reference? Let’s name the character Dennis.

[@darrenromanko2414]

First full video of yours I watched. Came over here after the recent collaboration with Dungeon Dudes and D4 Deep Dive. I very much enjoyed it, time to binge many more.

[@TreantmonksTemple]

Welcome aboard!

[@StarkMaximum]

Very exciting to see you update some old builds! Thrilled to see the updated Sorcadin, that's one of my favorite builds in the game!

[@SpiderWaffle]

34:10 What about an Elf that does 1-4 extra short rests while the party is doing an 8 hour long rest (the Elf only needed 4 hours to long rest) how taboo is that?

[@Hephaestus_God]

My favorite Sorlock build is divine sorcerer healer/damage Sorlock... It's not an original build as I'm fairly sure it's pretty popular however it is rather fun. 2/3 levels in Warlock the rest in Sorcerer. (3 if you want to be spelly and take the "Pact of the tome" invocation. Otherwise, always take Agonizing blast & a fun bonus for roleplaying like "Mask of many faces" or "Eyes of the runed keeper". (However, you can sub the role-playing invocation for a more active invocation if you desire) I find as warlock you use eldritch blast as your main damage most of the time anyways. So taking divine sorcerer to get cleric spells for support really feels like your worth in combat is more warranted party-wise. It also gives a lot of challenging and unique combat interactions you might not have planned for by being a damage-only player. Even more so if you are one of the only healers in the party. I would take a protector Aasimir for flight coverage (blasting with eldritch and healing word from the air). You also get a bonus radiant damage per eldritch blast hit + agonizing blast bonus.. meaning you can still do a lot of damage. Once you unlock quickening and twinning you can twin heals and quicken eldritch blasts for insane 1 turn damage if needed. All and all I think it is a rather fun and enjoyable build.

[@KaitlynBurnellMath]

Hmm...a couple aspects of this build raise question marks for me. 1. It never picks up warcaster. If your DM doesn't give out magic items this will be fine, but if your DM gives out items like Wand of the War Mage +X or Rod of the Pact Keeper +X, since we're holding a shield we now don't have a hand free to use that stuff (assuming we still want to cast counterspell and shield). 2. This build is really slow to max out Charisma. Character Level 18 before hitting 20 CHA? The gap between 18 CHA and 20 CHA is like...20% more damage on eldritch blast. (Plus all the other benefits of 20 CHA, including increasing the chance to shove, more spell DC). At character level 10, we get Resilient Wisdom--sure, I'll give you a free pass on that one--Treantmonk builds get saving throws. But I'm not sure the value added by Telekinetic at level 14 is worth delaying 20 CHA. Telekinetic is most valuable when your resource count is low (low resources = harder to justify blowing quicken to get an eldritch blast = more value for a resource-free bonus action). Telekinetic is also more valuable before Eldritch Blast scales--at character level 14 EB is already 3 shoves, and will be 4 shoves soon. The value of spending a quicken to get EB just goes up as EB scales, and then you're not using the Telekinetic shove. Everything else feels pretty normal for a sorlock build. (I.e. basically a sorcerer build that invests heavier into cantrips and gets quicken to use those cantrips). But these two points feel a little off to me.

[@M0ebius]

The telekinetic thing is really confusing to me as well, given that the build already have EB. And yes I would prioritize Warcaster as well. Probably Warcaster > Charisma > Charisma into Polearm Master for reaction spell upon contact or Gunner/Crossbow Expert for melee EB.

[@deru72]

Eldricht blast with 18 or 20 cha goes from 9.5 to 10.5 damage per blast (and plus 1 to hit) so basically it is a 10% damage increase. I think he delayed 20 charisma because he has so many spells he can target any saving throw he wants, so having a 18 or 19 dc against a +0 ST is a small difference

[@KaitlynBurnellMath]

@@deru72 20% overall damage increase on eldritch blast, not 10%. 10.5% damage increase from the added damage on hit. But also: 8.3% damage increase from +1 to hit. Multiplying both of those together gives us...19.7% damage increase (about 20%). Also going from getting 1.8 knockbacks per EB to getting 1.95 knockbacks from the increased hit rate. It's a noticeable difference.

[@rcschmidt668]

I have been considering a sorlock and have not had the opportunity to do one yet. This makes the option more exciting, and I will move it up in the characters to be run.

[@Dave004]

Great analysis. I do go back and forth between Clockwork and Divine Sorcerer. Clockwork has so many extra spells and a good first lvl trait.. Divine only gives 1 extra spell but with access to Cleric spell list you now have Spiritual Weapon for your bonus attack. Then for a while you'll do well with EBx2 plus Spirit Weapon with Hex added to the 3 attacks. Once you get 3rd lvl spells if you have multiple targets then Spirit Guardians could be a good go to.

[@somerton4383]

I've been trying to create a sorcadin at the moment for the first time. Can't wait for a new guide to refer to!

[@Ciberbuster]

With the coffeelock my house rules is that you recover spell slots instead, zero short rest cheese yet still useful through the adventuring day.

[@felipepincelli6466]

I prefered your old SorLock video, I think that build was more efficient, but this one is very good too. Very nice of you to explain that it's possible to use that Spell Slot Conversion Exploit, and even nicer to explain how that is going to make you being kicked out of a gaming table! lol

[@matthuck378]

Minor Illusion has become my favorite cantrip. So useful in and out of combat.

[@CyclopsWasRight]

Minus the Heringon, this is very close to my Cyclops build. I felt the Clockwork Soul subclass abilities lent themselves to a sort of leadership enhancement, and most fit the leader of the X-Men. Great build.

[@minivergur]

I played your sorcadin build (nearly exactly) and it was my favorite character of all time

[@Viryn]

I love this build. Love most of your builds, so that's nothing new, but I'm really glad you are revisiting old builds 😊👌

[@psylum1]

I actually played a Sorlock based on your original build. It was an absolute killer. Most of the time I was doing normal battlefield control and buffing, but when a big bad made himself known I would pour it on and put them down.

[@85LuthoR]

Love the video and the guide. Sorlock builds have been very popular for a long time and it was actually the first build I've played in 5e. However, jumping from 3e/pathfinder straight to 5e made me have a bias against delaying spellcasting. Despite how much I like this build, I'm afraid your video strengthened that bias. I'm not convinced the AC and the Eldritch Blast forced movement is enough to justify delaying spells for 2 levels. Unless you have more than one short rest per day (not the case in most tables I played) there is no advantage in converting pact slots into sorcery points since you lose 2 sorcery points by multiclassing into Warlock for 2 levels. The telekinetic feat, in my experience, gives you enough forced movement to keep enemies in harmful areas. Granted, you can push more than one creature with EB and cause damage. But again, at 5th level you are missing counterspell, fireball, fly, hypnotic pattern, sleet storm. At 7h level you have dimension door, greater invisibility and, of course, polymorph. At 9th level is animate objectos, bigby's hand, synaptic static. Not to mention transmute rock and wall of force that are available from clockwork magic. You are also delaying class features. Even at level 20, when the sorlock has access to 9th level spells, a full Sorcerer has 2 more sorcery points, one extra 6th and 7th level spell slot and can recover 4 sorcery points after a short rest. I would argue that your Tuff the Buff build is more interesting and less punitive than this sorlock as you delay spellcasting for only one level. This isn't by any means critcism, just personnal bias against the sorlock in general, specially after Tasha. Now, if you want to play a sorlock, this is a great way to do it.

[@tarrickmerdev2324]

I find Sorlock to be quite a different sort of character than a Sorcerer. You are quite correct in that it loses a lot of spellcasting and, early on at least, Eldritch Blast doesn't really do that much. I think of this character as a ranged attacker rather than a spellcaster. using Pact Slots for sorcery is a minor benefit to the setup, in my opinion. The fact that you are effectively getting a Fighter-level progression of Extra Attack through Eldritch Blast is much more significant. Once you reach 11th level and have 3 beams with Eldritch Blast the Sorlock really comes online. You can cast 2 Eldritch Blasts (6 beams) every turn for quite a long time as you convert spell slots into sorcery points to continue doing it. While doing so, you have a lot of high-impact options for your concentration as well that you can prop up in turn 1 or in the setup to the fight in the DM allows. If your damage is the only one likely to be useful in the fight, then you can simply Hex early on, providing an extra 3d6 damage (minus misses) on the first turn and 6d6 every turn afterward until you need to start burning slots for more points. Alternatively, you can use the typical battlefield control or you can pick up Twinned Spell and get some very high value out of team buff spells like Haste, Polymorph, or Greater Invisibility which are fantastic when Twinned. Bless is a great option when using the Divine Soul subclass as well. This tactic starts getting good in at level 7 when you have 2 beams with Agonizing Blast and level 3 spells but tier 3 is where it really shines. Basically, think of it not as a pure spellcaster, but a ranged attacker that has high-value team support with their concentration, has good defense with counterspell, shield, and absorb elements, and has other utility spells for various situations. If you go Hexblade, you can also do this with medium armor and a shield, though it may require War Caster do be able to use EB with a wand + shield, depending on your DM.

[@goatmeal5241]

You should realize this isn't setting out to be his best sorcerer build, it's his best sorlock build. That means optimal eldritch blast damage (need agonizing blast at warlock 2, or I guess warlock 1 and a full feat) with as little disruption to the utility of being a sorcerer.

[@reygunpocket]

Clockwork cavalcade is basically a 10th level heal that is rarely wasted and an AOE dispel magic of 6th level or lower, you remove enemies' buffs and dispel debilitating spells on your allies. I love that ability so much

[@beaug4306]

I think its worth mentioning that quicken eldritch blast + HBC + Hex can put out some absolutely massive damage on those single target big boss fights that are going to last a few rounds. You can even try to sneak in a subtle spell hex before it starts and try to get the debuffs stacked a round faster. This video also made me realize that by stacking lv 1 slots you could just abuse the living crap out of silver barbs. You could even take it as a replacement from the aberrant mind sorc and cast it every round for 1 sorc point. So if you ever want to convince your DM to ban that spell, I'd say that'd be a good way to do it.

[@bigklu4756]

Thanks to Monsters of the Multiverse, this month's HC release, Harengons are no longer setting specific!

[@elizabethviolet8448]

with all these harengon builds you're gonna go from treantmonk to harengonfullcaster

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Y'know, I don't care for the Harengon, but at the very least it's nice to see fewer Variant Humans for a while.

[@tek512]

The idea of piling a bunch of enemies in a web and dropping a delayed blast fireball on top of it while they're unable to make a dex save is just funny. Whether they take an extra 8d4 or just the 2d4, that's just a hilarious way to end them.

[@moonlightergaming8412]

A point of contention for Hex Warrior: You said that the best damage you could do is a d8, and proceeded to name longsword. Hex warrior stats that a weapon cannot have the two-handed property, not that you can't attack while holding a weapon with two hands (versatile) so you could indeed get your longsword to do a d10 of damage. Just because you can attack with two hands doesn't mean that it's a two-handed weapon, also attacking two-handed doesn't mean that your off-hand is now stuck to the hilt until next turn, either. So this wouldn't even impact spellcasting, regardless of focus or component pouch.

[@VrikoLaka]

Hi! I'm a new viewer of this channel (because I came back playing D&D after a huge hiatus), and I'm making a Sorlock on a Eberron campaign, a "Death-themed no-undead-tho warlock", reflavoring the Undead Patron to "Dolurrh"! Talk about timing!

[@nicholasavicolli8944]

"Blocking opponents is VERY IMPORTANT". I know a certain Harengon druid that would strongly agree.

[@zh90604]

What a great idea! Of course your videos & builds are solid no matter how much they've aged, but selecting a few of the more popular builds to revamp is awesome. The name made me do a double-take. ;) If you're up for a puzzle, I'm noodling a Hexblade/Wildfire druid, leveraging the spirit to do an unlimited mini-Misty Step in combat, with melee crit fishing. I haven't figured how to optimize this one yet!!!

[@TreantmonksTemple]

Druid warlock is tough, though you can certainly get away with a 13 wis and just go 3 to get wildfire. That spirit teleport is mega-useful.

[@Featherwick]

Goblin seems like it'd also be pretty good. Bonus action disengage every turn and you can bonus action hide in your own minor illusions.

[@timnorton7669]

The way I limit the sorlock loop without just banning it is this: 1. The rules under sorcery points say that you can never have more sorcery points than allowed by the sorcerer table. This both prevents hoarding and your Sorlock has to pay more attention to the points they are juggling during the loop. Inefficient or interrupted loops could leave them either losing points (I/e: converting a second level pact slot while they still have one point, losing one because their max points are two), or entering a scene/event/battle with less than their maximum points. 2. Not as necessary, and not as concrete, you should probably not let your Sorlock player make slots of a higher level than their highest Sorcerer spell slot. Not in the RAW, but prevents a minor bit of cheese. 3. I would heavily enforce the Xanathar’s rule on exhaustion due to lack of sleep. Between that and properly punishing the Party if the are taking excessive amounts of short rests (events being lost due to missed opportunity/opposition surprise attacking more frequently/fees for annoying tavern patrons with your magic hooha/etc…). If the party isn’t feeding their short rest habit, the Sorlock will have to either have to force the party to wait at the beginning of the day or gamble with exhaustion by not taking their long rest (they can’t horde slots, sense they reset after a long rest.) All of this together means that the worst abuse of the loop would happen if they went full Cocainelock. Which is both a late game issue and wastes a 5th level slot a day.

[@LurchLand]

Thanks for the video! I'm building my first multiclass character and he's a sorlock. I'm going with Pact of the Chain, so I'm not exactly maxing out my potential for damage. Still this gives me some ideas to work from and helps convince me of the usefulness of the telekinetic feat.

[@LoreFoundry]

I think that Fire bolt has one other use that isn't mentioned. Fire bolt is a single attack and situationally it could be better to have only one attack. It a target has a incredibly high AC. Like 20-22 or something. If you have advantage on your next attack, like from Guiding Bolt, I could see fire bolt being more useful, because at higher levels the eldritch blast would only get advantage on the first attack. Again totally situational but I think fire bolt is just as good as eldritch blast without invocations.

[@HeartReeves]

Reborn for having 4 hours a day that the rest of your party are asleep

[@Lantalia]

Setting fire to a web that will expire at the start of your next turn still makes sense, though probably only if you can do it without using an action better used blasting the targets

[@lord6617]

4th race option, especially if in a campaign in predominantly indoors, underground, or dim light... Kobold! :P I still say sleep is a situational spell you could keep around - there are still many creatures, especially into midlevel play, with pretty high AC and magic resistance or high saves. It is even more something that is DM dependent, but many DMs give you an idea of when a creature is bloodied, and that gives you your HP target for when sleep becomes useful. And there is no save and no attack roll involved with sleep. If you can roll empowered metamagic on sleep's "Damage" then you are much less chance reliant, and it really does become like "Power word: sleep" And another benefit to the hexblade is your booming blade will be a full attack bonus attack, as opposed to just +2 dex+prof Also also, since you have martial proficiency, if you aren't threatened than hexblades can make dual wielding shortsword attacks on the round after hex has been cast, to effectively deal greatsword damage with each hit. Also Also Also, as long as you are still primarily using hex for concentration, only having 1st level warlock spells (re: the 3 levels warlock vs 2 at the start) isn't a huge issue, as long as you use your warlock spells for hex, shield, and wrathful smite - as none of those really care about being level 1 or 2.

[@ThirtytwoJ]

If youre gonna stack up, do it for spreading out things to others like double casting haste or aid or heroism. Mind whip after hex.warding bond with bastian of law too. Esp for a chain pact

[@GodOf-Hammers]

My favorite version of the Sorlock is the pseudo coffeelock version that still takes long rest every night, but uses the reborn lineage to do it in 4 hours, and then spends the next 4 hours on watch taking short rests and spending sorcery points on bastion of law/creating spell slots while still having your max sorcery points at the start of the day.

[@Booklat1]

I'm enjoying having more warlocks that benefit a sorlock build. For example undead 1 divine soul 2 can be a decent blaster. Dao warlock crusher shenanigans are also interesting. Glad we have options that aren't just hexblade

[@mishapetrovich5495]

Is the DND beyond link to this dead or did you delete it?

[@muriomoira]

It's a great idea to revisit your earlier videos using the new features at your disposal!! Particularly, I would love if you did an update on magical secrets taking into account the new spells released, maybe even making two spell lists, one for bard's subclasses that prioritize armed combat and one for subclasses that prioritize the caster role! It would be really cool, and i think a lot of people would like it... Anyways, great video!

[@SilverSeraph379]

The D&D Beyond link currently isn't working for me. Could you please check on it, and possibly re-link it?

[@alanschaub147]

Chris, excellent video! 👍🏻 You make the game so much more easy to understand. ❤️ What do you think of this idea for a Sorlock ? • Owlin • Take Dhampir Lineage later • Sorcerer 1 (whichever you prefer) • Undead Warlock 2 • Agonizing Blast • Grasp of Hadar • Sorcerer X You would have no Medium or Heavy Armor, but your Walking / Flying / Climbing Speed would all be 35. You would also have Spider Climb from 3rd Level onward. If you hit them from above, you can pull them 10 feet into the air and then drop them for an extra d6 damage. If you are on the ground with Form of Dread, then you can pull opponents away from allies with Grasp of Hadar. If the opponent fails their save versus being Frightened, then they cannot approach you. If they succeed on their save versus Frightened, then you use Silvery Barbs. I know Repelling Blast is better because it can work on every Eldritch Blast beam. I just think this is an interesting alternative. If you cast Sleep, then you can Crit on the unconscious opponents with Vampiric Bite. I would drop a Net over them first, though, so they are still restrained after waking.

[@TreantmonksTemple]

Flying + Eldritch Blast is very good. Grasp of Hadar becomes much better when you can pull enemies into the air.

[@mrzoonix6368]

I had a sorlock hexblade and shadow. That was so much fun. Hound of ill omen might be expensive (3sp), but against bosses, it's really worth it.

[@PowderKeg3838]

The subtle spell is why a one-on-one mage battle between a Sorcerer and any other caster is over before it began.

[@gregkaye5583]

A player should speak to their DM about using web on flying creatures. I'd rule that "the web collapses in in itself" happens immediately but in a way that still allows wings to flap etc. The webbing would then disappear as the spell ends at the end of the turn.

[@PhaceCzech]

I really enjoyed the undead cockroach build and have been running that build and its ideals as a base for my 5E characters ever since its release...

[@davewebster5120]

I'd like to make a suggestion for the Drow race and then picking up the Drow High Magic feat. You get infinite Detect magics, dispel magic and levitate is almost like a free hold person and will give everyone advantage on hits. The Sorc spells prepared is always a tiny number and those extra spells have a ton of utility. Esp. Detect Magic.

[@drakejohnson5386]

Heat metal is also a pretty good debuff spell that can be used instead of levitate

[@kingmasterlord]

7:03 for the aesthetic of magic circles spinning into place like cogs and gearworks?

[@theydon_bois]

I love my sorlock, (Celestial Warlock Divine Sorcerer) Eldarin!

[@alanschaub147]

Eladrin has been my favorite race! 👍🏻 I’ve been working on a Troop Transport Teleportation Specialist: • Strixhaven Background • Strixhaven Initiate (Quandrix College for Vortex Warp from the added spell list) • Eladrin (Spring Season to teleport yourself or an ally) • Peace Cleric for the 6th Level Protective Bond • Wildfire Druid for Fiery Teleportation (only 2 levels) • Strixhaven Mascot feat (Fractal Mascot for Huge Troop transport & 60 foot teleportation swap with familiar • Fey Touched for 8th level feat What do you think? I might switch to Shadar-Kai, depending on how the new Mordenkainen’s version comes out. It would give resistance to the necrotic damage taken from Wither and Bloom, which would then be a better spell option.

[@theydon_bois]

So you end up being an Uber for your party?

[@alanschaub147]

@@theydon_bois: I guess so! LOL There are three questions I ask myself: Q1. Is this a character that I would enjoy playing? A1. Yes! Q2: Is this a character the other players would enjoy me playing? A2: Yes! Q3: Is this a character the DM would enjoy me playing? A3: Yes! This character checks all the boxes, for me anyway. ☺️

[@theydon_bois]

@@alanschaub147 and that’s all that counts mate! What’s your lads (or lasses) name? My Sorlock is Soylent Green.

[@alanschaub147]

@@theydon_bois: Übermensch! 😂

[@lucapaini4748]

Great video as always! I was wondering if you are ever going to make a build for every sorcerer subclass, just as you did for wizards, as i now think sorcerers (trough expansions to the spell list, optional class features and new subclasses) are a very compelling alternative to wizard, and i think it would be very interesting to see how you would optimize each sorcerer subclass

[@96samcosmo]

One other acceptable approach to the loop might be playing an elf since they have trance. That gives you enough time for 4 short rests before the rest of the party awakens.

[@agilemind6241]

Just don't do the loop. It isn't fair to the other players.

[@Year2047]

This is really on a sorlock but as DND Shorts noted in their latest video if you go dwarf so you can take the dwarven fortitude feat and then get the bloodwell vial magic item (which starting out as an uncommon you might be able to get quite early) you could roll a hit die mid combat using the feat letting you activate the bloodwell vial's once per day ability and regain 5 sorcery points. I've used the vial (not with this combo) and it was pretty balanced in the hands of a regular sorcerer but on a sorlock I would be very very wary.

[@hecklinjekyll3959]

I assume an aberrant mind would grab completely different spells for this kind of combo. Haven't d&d'ed for a while. Driving myself nuts making a charrie for my friend's game. Leaning towards whispers bard/ aberrant mind. You've made some good observations about what spells are valuable, which I'm totally going to use. Great vid!

[@rlira0908]

looking forward to what you do with Sorcadin :) Also, Aid + Armor of Agathys + Blade Ward + Bastion of Law + running through enemies, provoking attacks of opportunity is really good with Clockwork

[@Paradox-es3bl]

You know what could be a cool optional feature? Being able to swap levels in a class for levels in another class. Maybe even you need a certain "amount of XP" after 20, but then you can swap out a level. Because honestly, I think at lower levels, this would be better with the 3rd level of Warlock. But at higher levels, you want that Sorcerer capstone. So being able to swap it as an official optional rule and not just home brew would be pretty cool, imo.

[@Indigo1559]

Here's a unique one I'd love to see: an Undead warlock build. I'd love to see you combine the undead warlock with some other effects which take advantage of frighten (other than Conquest pally) to make a powerful lich-king build!!!

[@EricVanWinkle]

The idea of a loop might be interesting to allow in a limited way very particular type of scenario: I'm thinking of ritual combat or a duel, something where the character has time to specifically prepare for a fight. In resting, the warlock might be communing with her patron and building on the boon by the conversion to points. If the patron would feel this was clever use, it may allow some loops. If the patron would consider that cheating, the added spell slot need not be granted and might even merit further sanctions.

[@Natsirt666]

31:16 - the most important part of this video/build. Take note people.

[@jwraper1498]

I’m looking forward to more updated builds!

[@FranciscoGarcia-sh3to]

ok, you killed me with "clock blocker" lmao

[@tylerh2548]

I'm curious if you would update anything on The Voice from Beyond regarding invocations, spells, ancestry, feats. Also, i can't seem to find a primary Hexblade warlock in the archives?? I'm brewing up how to reskin a Hexblade into a Cyberpunk setting Malware Street Samurai

[@Barkstopper]

Since discovering Harengon, I am in love with it. I would love to have vibes from the Monty Python Holy Grail scene for bandits hehehe.

[@drivebybraile]

Thought. Web against flying creature, I would argue that being restrained in web even if you have hover, would cause the creature to fall prone.

[@robertsilvermyst7325]

Harengon are an amazing and adorable race.

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Cat lady hoarder fills genie bottle with conjured animals to hurl at enemies with catapult. Double cast transmute rock to lock em in or drop the roof on em too

[@nodoakdozeer1339]

Wouldn't Elven Accuracy be an ideal feat for any Eldrich Blaster?

[@carlosbarreto4695]

Elven Accuracy is an idea feat for any elf race that uses the increased attribute to make attack rolls.

[@KorhalKk]

Its easy to quell this desire of exploiting the sorlock infinite slots: announce before the campaign or dungeon that time matters and they have 1 long rest and 2 short rests if they want to complete the adventure before something worse happens. At lower levels you won't be getting that much SP per Warlock slots. Considering Wizards have a lot more options, this balances quite well. Sorcerors are filled with uncontrolled power, as a Warlock because of his patron, even being a 5e classic combo its very theme-friendly.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

The problem is that the Sorlock can say "Actually, I'll just take 10 short rests, 8 of them back to back while everyone else sleeps". It's funny the first time. Then having attained ungodly powers while everyone else merely slept becomes old hat.

[@KorhalKk]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 But then again you wouldn't be rested. Maybe with some racial feature or feat, but even so its easy to say that there is no such thing as 10 short rests, only a long rest lol. On top of that, would he adventure alone while the party rests normally?

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@KorhalKk You snort a line of Restoration to fix the fatigue if you're that far, or just eat the pretty chill first two levels of exhaustion. Or as an Elf, you trance for 4 hours, and then get 4 short rests. It doesn't need to be what you do every day (even though it can), it's more that you can supercharge over the course of a day or two, especially if you have a downtime day, and accumulate a massive pool of sorcery points. Even if you lean far more Sorcerer than Warlock, and are only converting second or third level pact slots, that's a loooot of juice if you're converting slots 10 times a day, let alone 24.

[@KorhalKk]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 You'll have 4 level 5 slots when you reach a certain level with Warlock. If you make this build you won't have that much reserve because the Warlock levels are low in this situation. You'll get a maximum of 20 SP if you reach level 17, but in this build you'll have a reserve of 4 SP. Its really not much, and you CAN'T do this 10 times a day, rarely adventures go this far, even in a day of adventuring. If you're planning on banking extra slots without using them on cannon fodder, still its not that much. All these combos expect a certain kind of situations that don't happen very often, sometimes not at all.

[@OriginalJayByrd]

I 'm at the part about web and it got me thinking; couldn't you combine the flying creature thing with a fire attack? the web brings them down, but it expires in 1 round, why not have it burning in that round dealing fire damage on the way down? So a quickened web with a fire bolt chaser on a flying creature :)

[@ibyish]

i feel that subtle spell is a little less valuable in actual play of published content at the level it was taken here. YMMV but this was my experience playing at random tables when i took subtle spell, both AL-style heavily RAW & some more RP-focused homebrew tables: 1. almost no one ever pays attention to VSM in 90% of situations, unless suddenly you're in a vat of honey holding a dozen limes or something. in my experience, it truly rarely came up. subtle metamagic was clutch for avoiding VSM

[@carlosbarreto4695]

I agree with most of your points. However, even if you will use Eldritch Blast constantly, eventually you will use your bigger spells (otherwise, why go Sorcerer instead of full Warlock) and when that happens, Subtle Spell can make your spells imine to Counterspell when facing enemy spellcaster. It's highly situational, although. I think that should be the Sorcerer's last Metamagic pick, as you pointed out (T3).

[@KobiPoage]

This was a really awesome video! Unfortunately, the link to the character sheet doesn't work for me. I keep getting "Error Code: 403" when I click on it. Is this happening to anyone else?

[@nodoakdozeer1339]

Same for me.