Sorting .22lr Match Grade Ammo Will It Help??? Part 1 of 2.

[@jeffwood32]

Good luck on the new range. I'm fortunate to have a 100yd range right out my back door. The problem with that is you'll need even more ammo!! RWS special match, I've probably only shoot a couple of boxes but in my MTR it wasn't anything to write home about, good but not great, at least on that day I haven't forgotten about talking to you regarding chamber depth. Can't wait to see your new bench! And congrats on the Match win. 👍

[@304rimfire5]

Thanks man and yea man I can’t wait to be able to have my own range to shoot at it’s needed to be able to make more shooting video since range has new rules in place not allowing me to make anymore. Yea I’m hoping the Special match will do good for the ARA match coming up. Will be doing videos of the progress of the range and thanks again.

[@TheWheels1965]

I have been weight .22lr for 20years now and I'm still waiting for someone to make a auto weighting machine, just drop your ammo in the hopper and catch it at the bottom. I live in hope! cheers

[@hrbricker]

Doing similar testing: Really cheap ammo, but sure looks like a node here. I'll be doing some rim thickness and overall length comparisons if I can. 86 yrs young and not getting to the range enough. Total Wt Grp Size 49.0 2.91 11/01/22 49.1 2.91 Remington Golden Bullet 49.2 2.10 36Gn Bullet 49.3 3.22 Total Wt = Total cartridge weight in Gns 49.4 3.32 Grp Size @ 50 Yards 49.5 1.40 49.6 0.89 P.S. I pasted this from spreadsheet. Works okay. 49.7 1.21 49.8 1.52 49.9 2.59

[@jimblackbird5678]

RWS special Match Great info. Just getting into the 22lr shooting. Got a CZ457 and trying out different brands on ammo, so far Wolf Match Extra is the best. I Hadn’t thought much about the weights.but I have a scale and will look into it. Thanks!

[@nitrocomputing]

I have done a lot of sorting by weight and rim thickness, and it seems to be accurate that weight and rim thickness make a difference. I shoot a CZ457 MTR, and it is a little picky. I found the best grouping i get is with Wolf match target and SK Standard Plus.

[@kurt5490]

Thanks for the ammo maker/type tip!

[@pevelyhomeowner327]

Sad to say the recent Wolf Target Match, now from England, I have does come close to the old stuff. At least not in my CZ452 American. 😢

[@vicgarrett]

Great minds think alike. Spent the afternoon weighing 550 rounds of centre X . I follow much the process you do although not doing rim thickness at this stage. Shot some SK+ at a comp over the weekend that had been sorted placing me second @50m bench rest so it shot really well for me. I find Midas+ so consistent weight wise I don't bother sorting IT for weight but find some value sorting the lower spec stuff so far.

[@megarouge61]

I have a suggestion. I have heard that subsonic ammo is much less affected by wind speed than ammo that travels faster than sound. It would be interesting to see a comparison video on a windy day.

[@304rimfire5]

Yea I can do a comparison here soon once this snow stops we got 7 inch the other day. I will shoot some subsonic vs some eley Force and see the difference.

[@karlweiby2307]

RWS special match. Just got a 22 LR set up and am testing tons of ammo when I can find it. I picked up a Ruger RPR to get me started and see how far down the rabbit hole I go before i spend money on a higher end rifle. Can’t wait to see your part 2 video and results between sorted and non sorted

[@JackSmith-jj3bi]

I do a couple more steps. Before beginning. Clean surface of the scale, Wipe down the end of the cases to remove excess oil. Oil can build up on scale effecting weight. Clean the scale surface every 100 rounds.

[@304rimfire5]

I do that guess I should have added that in the video

[@johnwayne2103]

Thanks for making this video. 22LR shooters especially BenchRest shooters can be a meticulous lot. There are so many factors to consider when choosing ammo. Trying out different manufactures can be a tedious. There is a process for doing that from cleaning your barrel after each lot and then re-seasoning the barrel and it matters greatly from indoor to outdoor. Everyone has their own way of doing this and truth be told do what you feel works for you. Let me preface this with the fact that target 22lr ammo is mostly designed for Olympic class rifles and for specific distances which usually don't exceed more than 50mm's in Olympic competition. RWS, Lapua, Eley Are there competitions for longer ranges? Absolutely, but the target ammo was not designed for that task, it's made to win Olympic medals. When Someone wins a Gold medal in the Olympics in 3 position rifle or pistol shooting CCI high velocity I will eat my hat. If you really want to get down in the weeds there is a testing facility in Texas that will take your Anschutz barrel out of the stock and place it in a Bench Rest hold and they will proceed to test different lot numbers to determine which ammo (Eley) shoots more consistent. Eley if I remember correctly has 5 machines to make 22lr ammo, if you ever look at a box of Eley it will have a lot number batch. I have linked to their website to show you how to read the lot numbers. The machine, the year and the velocity can make a difference in accuracy through your rifle. My rifle likes velocity's between 1045 to 1050 FPS. If I select a batch faster than that I get odd inconsistency's. Remember we are trying to score 10.9's or keyhole the shots. Even some velocity's can either be too fast or too slow and it will affect accuracy. 50m's remember. Some target rifle ammo should not be used in semi auto pistols due to the fact that the rounds are either coated in either bees wax like Eley or some light machine oil. Using that type of ammo in semi auto pistols may gum up your magazines after some time but if you clean your equipment regularly that shouldn't be an issue. Manufacturers make target ammo specifically for semi automatic target pistols. Shooting cheap ammo is a no no through my Anschutz. Copper? No Gold colored Copper? No Remington Bucket o bullets? No CCI? No For the record Remington did make a special run of target ammo for the Olympics and was never re manufactured again. I shot several rounds of it and it was way to hot for my taste. eley.co.uk/faq-items/how-do-you-read-a-batch-number/ kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5uyiISJmtmHi5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/manUiaSMa5ySlZY

[@304rimfire5]

Thanks for sharing this great info..

[@donrumato3413]

For sorting to be complete its necessary to check/ resize bullet diameter AND sort by dia of cartridge case. I wish you the best luck

[@304rimfire5]

thanks for the info

[@donrumato3413]

KZbinR JIM ( STKO as I remember) showed recenltly us ( especially me, who has 3 pieces of different ANSHUTZ !) how to have a best results on 50/100 yards using cheap LR rifle bought in Wallmart only for 98 $ ! But he checks diameter of cartridge case and showes that it matters. Also he swowed that ammo with small bullet's dia show poor result independent from price. There exists two wayouts - to choose ammo with thicker bullet or resize them. To show the effect he used bulk ammo. And for my experiense rim thickness really matters and needs thorough checking. They explain it bekouse primer itself gives up to 20 percent of overall piwder gases, so it affect velocity

[@davidgreer9567]

Thanks for sharing. I have a question and maybe I'm over thinking it. Wouldn't you want to weigh in grains? Seems that would be a more precise measurement and allow for better consistency. That being said I could be way off and have no clue:) I just know when reloading grains is where I find precision. Thanks again for another great video.

[@304rimfire5]

Yea I found it good for the mid to lower end ammo that it help with flyers and shoot tighter groups

[@sell682]

By weight , is that a big convoluted, because there can be different bullet weights and powder charges which can offset one another ? What I mean is an underweight bullet but more powder which would make the round hot..

[@TheGarnerjustin73]

With sorting, ive never noticed a big enough difference with premium ammo to make me want to keep doing it.

[@304rimfire5]

I have never shot this stuff so I always check the first. I know SK standard plus it made a big difference.

[@TheGarnerjustin73]

@@304rimfire5 I dont even have the option to be picky anymore, besides a few hundred rounds i ordered. Its been dry locally here in NC with any brand .22lr.

[@prone_wolf8871]

So far after multiple tests I have found it really doesn't do anything at least the ammo I tried

[@LSMG2004]

I am paranoid so I wear gloves in case I can't shoot the ammo right away. Also, I've had pretty good luck by just doing rim thickness out to .0005 inches giving me 6" groups at 100yds with bulk Remington. But I guess ill have to get a little scale on your advice

[@especialistascopus3776]

Very Good My Friend

[@mikeatwood7359]

Rws special match. Good luck with that stuff. My Cz loves r-50 but not special match. I would get bad flyers with special match even if it was weighed out. Could have just been a bad lot who knows. Rim fire shooting can drive you crazy if you let it.

[@304rimfire5]

That it can I do have a brick of r-50 to shoot just wanted to try this special I hope I have decent luck with it. Thanks for the heads up tho.

[@mikeatwood7359]

@@304rimfire5 I hope you have good luck with it too. Cost way less than r-50

[@304rimfire5]

Yea it’s last 3 of the lot number are the same as the r-50 my guns like. I was also able to get 2 bricks of center x

[@billwatson5770]

Do you ever plan on acquiring a Vudoo, either a repeater or single-shot? RWS Special Match

[@304rimfire5]

I do want to acquire a repeater style action just the funds aren’t there right now to be able to do that at this time. Was think if I did get a repeater action was thinking 2500x or every possible a kk500 action from Walthers

[@LSMG2004]

Do you own a Vudoo? I want to know if the weight is worth the money. I know it helps with consistency, but I want to know if the weight of a Vudoo kills the fun of a .22lr. Thanks

[@joelclark2130]

Rws special match, I want to see you shoot both of them ,the CZ.FIRST

[@304rimfire5]

We using the special match Saturday at the match so hope it shoots good for not using it before.

[@dontucker863]

rws special match. really like your videos

[@304rimfire5]

Thanks

[@the1911dude]

RWS special match.

[@22rimfireK.P.R.]

Great video thanks

[@304rimfire5]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@andym4053]

RWS Special Match

[@jasonharris7460]

Rws special match

[@fulviobertotti6785]

Sempre fatto cosi, però non è sicuro al cento x cento. Saluti

[@aussiesteveakastevecallagh2280]

Great video man , I’ve just started sorting Ammo for my CZ455 varnit I have found that I’m getting too many flyers from SK high velocity match which I have found gives me the most consistent groups at 50 yards , yes I have tried standard velocity ammo but my rifle doesn’t seem to like any of it , do you think it’s worth measuring oal, rim thickness and weighing or just weighing also what do you think is an acceptable variation in weight between rounds , any help you or your subscribers can offer would be greatly accepted , Thanks in advance Steve .

[@304rimfire5]

Sorry for the late response back but what works best for me in i try to get the weights within .002 from each other and put them together like in the video and the ones that are really low and high use them for rifling the barrel in after cleaning or use to warm the barrel before you use the weighed out ammo. With rim thickness like Lapua is pretty consistent and I don’t take the rim thickness into effect because there rim thickness is very Similar.

[@prone_wolf8871]

I separated a whole brick of 500 by weight.... then I shot them side by side with ammo straight out of a fresh brick.......groups where soo similar.... I dont think I'll waste the time anymore, although a few targets showed improvement its never consistent enough to count on.... In the ammo I tried at least..... Rim thickness also did nothing. In my case

[@raymondmills8037]

All that work & you don't measure the length!. RWS are usually fine what little difference you encounter don't effect accuracy, like any Rimfire ammo you still get fliers. Their projectile also weigh 43grns not 40grn. SK ammo vary by 0.011" Centre X is the worst last brick i bought went 0.975" to 0.986. Weighed, sorted, rim gauged still shot crap.

[@304rimfire5]

i am now just curious if it makes a difference.

[@raymondmills8037]

@@304rimfire5 Well Sorting for length helps if the firearm has a chamber where the round is forced into the rifling i.e. Anshutz, CZ457 MTR, CZ457 Varmint etc etc. It helps if you can Chronograph the rounds as you fire them, Consistent velocity is what shoots the best. Had a batch of RWS R50 that only had a velocity variation of 9fps shot excellent. Have had Eley Match with velocity variations of 11/17fpsShot excellent. what you are looking for is ammo that can produce variations of 20fps or less. Currently my batch of SKLRMatch 05455/10921 shooting in both CZ457s will do ten shot groups of 0.337" @ 50mtrs. Have used this in my target rifle shoots excellent scores.P.S. Weighed & Sorted for length. Some packs are good other packs have a fair bit of weight /length variation. Ray

[@304rimfire5]

@@raymondmills8037 I totally agree with you some lots are way off on there weights I had some SK standard plus ready from 3.390-3.450 and just out of the box it wasn't very consistent so after weighing out the rounds that lot got a lot better and consistent. Rws-50 the first lot I shoot was damn good then got another lot shoot very poorly so I got another lot to try and shoot lights out and then got another lot and shoot very good also. Like you said your always going to have them flyers in rimfire so I'm just trying to find ways to eliminate them before shooting them every one has there own ways and I love being able to make a video like this and then get all these other opinions from people so I can learn for other commenting on the video.

[@RimfireAddicted70]

I've been watching your channel and sub'd for a bit. I think in the long run you're going to realize sorting ammo of this grade is pointless. Those who own premium grade rifles will overwhelmingly tell you they shot high grade ammo with no checks of any kind and have excellent results. Sorting has been debunked on multiple platforms and even BR guys who are true fanatics of accuracy to the minute degree will say buy quality skip sorting. Technique is far more important. I do wish you luck. Speaking only for myself my Vudoo shoots better than me with SK Match, Lapua Cen-X. The Rim-X builds with Midas or Tenex Match are beyond amazing accuracy never sort a round at all.

[@clivenewton7609]

All well and good but please remember not everyone has access to high grade ammunition all of the time! Here in the U.K. is a case in point!! Most of the good stuff stays in the U.S. 😂 I only have a Lithgow 101 and definitely weighing cheaper (American eagle) ammo, in the main improves group size.👍

[@dieselten01]

You have a $2000 plus rifle/scope, nice front & rear rests, paying over $20 per box of 50 rounds ammo...... and you are spending hours testing components with the absolutely least expensive Chinese made scale you can possibly find. Also, just cause the display reads out to the third or fourth decimal place, doesn’t mean it is accurate at that resolution (goes for digital calipers also). Just sayin...

[@mikeatwood7359]

You might have a good point with the scale but I think the cheap scales are good enough just to find the few bullets that are way off from the others.

[@304rimfire5]

Yea the scale isn’t expensive at all but look up on KZbin Waoaw scale kinda scary people are replacing there other scales for a Chinese 20.00 scale.

[@304rimfire5]

Yea Mike I love my little 20.00 scale and does the job to eliminate those couple that highs and lows.

[@colinkong53]

Rws special match