South Africa: Sport and Apartheid: The World About Us (1984)

The World About US: Documentary Series on BBC 2
Ron Pickering visits SOuth Africa to look at sport under Apartheid in 1980s Can Normal Sport exist in an Abnormal Society
Copyright BBC TV Richard Taylor
Posted By Shaun Pickering

[@franklinchenfranklin4840]

im Brazilian and i love South Africa

[@pistolpetenaki]

Why ..

[@bboyrsa7594]

Those who complained about facilities for black people being appalling during the 80s under the apartheid government are very quiet on the lack of facilities under the ANC regime.

[@sergegainsbourgii1852]

I blame Thabo Mbeki, Thatcherite ("Socialism for the rich, austerity for the rest ")

[@areguapiri]

Much better now than under nasty apartheid.

[@athalaparlambang50]

Is it Lack?

[@philipbarker1896]

first saw this when it was broadcast, still a valuable document and a warning

[@AnthonyD-yy2in]

I remember watching this while i was living in England.

[@Golden-us3hj]

Sports in America used to be similar, watch the story or movie on Jackie Robinson and you’ll see it was an issue here as well

[@eiremike1]

Thank you for posting. Fascinating history and so sad in hindsight

[@sonorastar2239]

South Africa looks WAY better back then.

[@luxo5660]

Nonsense if you never stayed in SA

[@bakhosisimela8497]

Stupid post

[@hlesko3254]

South Africa Might Not Be In It's Best Years, But We've Come Far As A Country 🇿🇦✌🏽

[@pistolpetenaki]

Since when ..you come far as a country ..

[@hlesko3254]

@@pistolpetenaki since you learned how to type a comment

[@pistolpetenaki]

Well well, looks like we got keyboard warrior ..in the words of Jonathan pie … people who attack others cos. They make mistakes with grammar or spelling who made you god @@hlesko3254

[@PeterNgola]

@@hlesko3254 haha nice one

[@johnm84]

South Africa has not come far at all. South Africa has regressed and is in decline and has been since 1994.

[@glenmalesa8902]

The more things change the more they remain the same. That's SA for you.

[@sergegainsbourgii1852]

South Africans didn't create the economic system born of & addicted to violent theft.

[@etnarongiselva8361]

Good and rare record. The heyday of South Africa's segregationist regime was in the 1960s and 1970s. And with an economic boom that benefited the whole country, the ENTIRE country, again. However, after the fall of friendly countries such as Mozambique and Rhodesia, in addition to the end of the gold-dollar standard in the international monetary system in 1971, the country's economy was severely affected and did not return to the excellent performance of before, entering a chronic crisis. in the 80s. Not to mention the definitive spike in oil prices, which South Africa has always been dependent on. Therefore, it would no longer be possible to maintain a police state for so long, with defense spending growing exponentially, as well as the weight of international sanctions. In this regard, the end of the USSR in 1991 helped a lot to make the transition to post-apartheid without a civil war possible in the AFR. From the South and beyond, Namibia can be saved by giving it independence without it falling as it was with Angola and Zimbabwe for example. May the Boer country rise again and become a land of prosperity.

[@Pure_Boxing]

Rip Boxing in SA

[@etnarongiselva8361]

Bom e raro registro. O auge do regime segregacionista da África do Sul foi nos anos 60 e 70. E com um boom econômico que beneficiou todo o país, TODO o país, repetindo. No entanto após a queda de países amigos como Moçambique e Rhodesia, além do fim do padrão ouro-dolar no sistema monetário internacional em 1971, a economia do país foi severamente atingida e não voltou a ter o ótimo desempenho de antes, entrando em crise crônica nos anos 80. Sem contar a disparada definitiva dos preços do petróleo, que a África do Sul sempre foi dependente. Logo, não seria mais possível manter um estado policial por tanto tempo, com gastos em defesa crescendo exponencialmente, bem como o peso das sanções internacionais. Nisso, o fim da Urss em 1991 ajudou e muito pra que a transição para o pós-apartheid sem uma guerra civil fosse possível na Afr. Do Sul e além disso, pode se salvar a Namibia dando lhe independência sem a mesma cair como foi com Angola e Zimbabwe por ex. Que o país boer se reerga e volte a ser uma terra de prosperidade

[@rohanvangraan5663]

Everything was supplied in Soweto, but not appreciated or maintained. Mentality is break it, burn it or steal it.

[@sergegainsbourgii1852]

What do you mean "everything"? I'd love some side-by-side comparisons, please, if you can.

[@jeep19]

Well considering the black majority was systematically hunted, killed, and psychologically beat down and broken over several generations, so of course they're going to break, burn, and steal stuff. That's a causation from prior racist treatment, and exclusion from progressing up the socio-economic-politicot ladder.

[@areguapiri]

Nasty white supremacist comment.

[@linushahs396]

Craven once said, when asked if Craven week (a rugby tournament for school boys) will be integrated. He replied “over my dead body”

[@Klopp2543]

Anyone legitimizing these evil by the present day situation of South Africa and Africa at large are simply insane!

[@dannyarcher6370]

I must be insane then.

[@Neo_Rain146]

@@dannyarcher6370 Make that two of us. Only ones insane ones are the people who think the crime ridden corrupt mess today is an improvement

[@thefinalimperialist5394]

Under communism if fifty million people died they will not say this is a bad plan it just every sheep for himself and the most cruel guy get the most rewards and blame the guy that actually build the country

[@Klopp2543]

@@Neo_Rain146 of course YOU are not only insane and inhumane too. Corruption,crime etc are better than freedom? You are advocating for slavery, segregation and evil done by racists, bigots and bastards who thought themselves gods because of the colour of their skins? Am 100% sure there's crime and corruption wherever you are why don't you get enslaved as an example?

[@Klopp2543]

@@thefinalimperialist5394 in other words it's ok genocide,mass extermination is ok? Are you human?

[@wernerschneider4460]

Fact is that the Springboks would have not won RWC 2019 without the non-white-players like Kollisi, Mapimpi, Mtawarira, etc.

[@wilhelmmarais41]

bullshit

[@jamesbedugraham8056]

Why always bring up the issue of Skin Colour.

[@Neo_Rain146]

Ya what were those black players doing under the black coach Alistair Coetzee afew months previously? What did Rassie change? Funny you don’t mention that

[@originallevite7469]

The Church is the sad part. What they believed goes totally against what our FATHER says. It is becoz they thought themselves to be the chosen nation...little of the true truth...South Africa is the chosen nation...all 12 tribes together will be the hand of our FATHER to bring change world wide. ❤️🇿🇦

[@nicky3748]

DO NOT INCLUDE ALL WHITE SOUTH AFRICANS IF YOU SAY THEY BELIEVE THEY WERE THE CHOSEN NATION!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS A SMALL MINORITY THAT SAID/BELIEVE IT!!!!!! KNOW THE PEOPLES OF SOUTH AFRICA AND WHO / WHAT BELIEVE AND DO NOT BELIEVE. I AM WHITE AND THIS IS NOT MY BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@originallevite7469]

@@nicky3748 Me neither. It’s what I meant. My English needs more practice. Nice to know I’m not alone ❤️🇿🇦

[@WalterWhite-sm2dr]

Lol

[@whotrampedgeckofilms3968]

apartheid set us back I pray we can move forward

[@wernerschneider4460]

It's possible when all corruptions are jailed for life and everything they own is confiscated. Regardless what color. And the respective lawsuits must not take 10 years and more, as with the "state-capture" one right now. Swift justice is required.

[@nicky3748]

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW - TOWNS CRUMBLING, SERVICES NON-EXISTENCE MOST OF THE TIME AND YOU SAY APARTHEID SET US BACK????????????

[@Neo_Rain146]

@@nicky3748 Exactly, more ridiculous comment given what we know today. Apartheid if anything was proven necessary based on what we know today

[@xavierblitz5647]

Future generations will

[@johnm84]

South Africa has become a dump.

[@robkidd5214]

Sounds like Frost, no?

[@Edgel-in6bs]

Early 80s but magnificent reporting. You wonder how much it impacted as you did have cricket and rugby cuntservative types at the time demanding reintegration.

[@ledman9135]

15.19 Bare in mind you didn’t sit in an African shop either. They would have told you to move on as well. Both being wrong. Why do you always take one side?

[@tonynz9954]

I wonder what this Pommie reporter has to say now if he goes to the Carlton Hotel in the JHB CBD ? That's if he is brave enough to set foot in the Rainbow nations JHB CBD ! 😂

[@MarkRyanSchulz]

"If the world won't pley wiv us we will pley wiv owrselfs."

[@sammyvyfers8849]

All the blame to the apartheid evil .

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

Not a cell phone in sight. Just people living in the moment.

[@khalidnamar8723]

Uh, you do know they weren't invented yet? If they had them they would be using them. Just as you are using the internet now.

[@DJSwezzleMusic]

Living apartheid in the moment ✨️ wooooo

[@u.sbanban]

hebana

[@nicovandeventer3120]

From the usa and the british Empire

[@mthawelangamaponye1672]

Looking for that one Boerie comment reminiscing about Apartheid saying it was better for all races. A. HOLE IS ADVANCE

[@johnm84]

Apartheid was better for everyone. Everyone had a better life under apartheid.

[@alphapen_dragon8554]

If apartheid was so fantastic, why were black people willing to fight and die to defeat it? ​@@johnm84

[@johnm84]

@@alphapen_dragon8554 The only blacks that were against apartheid were the blacks that were Communist and that were members of the ANC. Most of the blacks were happy and were ok with apartheid.

[@bonanibob5657]

​@@alphapen_dragon8554 Because they were hoodwinked by the Black Marxists especially the youth who didn't know any better. The country is a squalor just a cesspool apartheid was not good but it was better than this so called democratic rainbow nation.

[@jaywantgoldfinga3221]

​@@johnm84 "Everyone" must be referring to people who look like you

[@christianbrother4724]

SA looked like a relatively stable society in the 80s.

[@TwoPyramid]

@Irving Shekelstein I feel like civilization may have peaked in the late 1970's.

[@drewbranch7700]

It was far from stable as I remember, there was bloodshed in South Africa and even neighboring countries of South Africa due to the ugliness of the apartheid regime.

[@jamesbedugraham8056]

It seemed like a stable nation however the black majority and Indian and Colored Minority were excluded totally back in the 20th Century.

[@jamesbedugraham8056]

Morally a very bad practice and precedence.

[@jamesbedugraham8056]

@@drewbranch7700 Thanks for exposing the lie of Apartheid. However in the 2020s The West still does segregation in Communities and Neigbahoodsm

[@WalterWhite-sm2dr]

No that apartheid is over … South Africa is one of the most dangerous countries in the world … emmm I wonder why??

[@gratefuldead3750]

During apartheid africans were killed for fun and then buried in the backyard. It wasnt a problem, because these people didnt count. While on the other Hand the Anc spared the lives of people like Dr. Death or others from the special squads if they commited in the truth commission. I doubt that the chinese or indians would have done that.

[@areguapiri]

It's not dangerous.

[@user-kq9vv5tj1u]

Western propaganda. White people killed 1 million people. You have no moral high ground

[@athalaparlambang50]

Keep your racist mind to yourself.

[@athalaparlambang50]

How was it for the Blacks to live under apartheid? How?

[@mbulelogaven4153]

APARTHEID WAS ONE OF THE MOST CRUEL THINGS THAT EVER HAPPENED. SHAME ON ALL THOSE WHO TOOK PART IN OPPRESSING PEOPLE

[@stardashijan9230]

What about Israel's Apartheid of the Palestinians?

[@pietroboggio8353]

Racism is everywhere..never forget!

[@pietroboggio8353]

@@stardashijan9230 for too much people racism is only a problem between BLACKS and WHITES...

[@wernerschneider4460]

And praise to all white people who stood up against it, like Dennis Goldberg or - in a different way - Johnny Clegg.

[@nicky3748]

THEY ARE DEAD!!!

[@Spillers72]

Sports in the US did help with the end of segregation such as with Jackie Robinson.

[@pistolpetenaki]

USA never help segregation..you got be kidding me

[@user-qq7ki1hl8d]

Unfortunately since the end of apartheid,south africa is now one big disaster under the anc!!

[@riyaanabrahams4061]

Is that Zuma at 53:10? lol

[@tukuihotanga3120]

evil!

[@viskovandermerwe3947]

I am so glad that Apartheid is gone forever because now so many hungry people from the whole of Africa has found a home in South Africa where they can live and thrive. Black people grew from 11 million in the 60's apartheid era, to about 85 million in the freedom era. White people (Colonialists) reduced their numbers from less than 11 million in the 60's to less than 8 million in the Freedom era. The hunger, mismanagement, corruption ans crime is now much more wide-spread in South Africa than what it was in the 60's, bur Africa is now becoming Africa again.....which is a good thing. I always just wonder where all that gold which was mined from South Africa went to?

[@pietroboggio8353]

Apartheid was south african...racism is international...!!!

[@dannyarcher6370]

Dude. You are undermining our arguments with your idiotic stats.

[@floridaman_85_58]

Im actually glad the crime and poverty is more "widespread", and not just something blacks have to deal with. i think it will give us an opportunity to understand each others pain. I was in pretoria recently and i gave a poor white guy some change at the robot. it felt good, he was real grateful. maybe in the next few years i'll be able to hire some white guys to cut my grass.

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@floridaman_85_58 Of course, he was grateful. Whites are not entitled. Unlike you-know-whats.

[@sergegainsbourgii1852]

Colonial & indigenous S Africans were not both at equal population levels . It was more like 3-4 M whites to 15-20 M indigenous. Whites taking +85% of farm lands & a 350% rate of income compared to the indigenous at 67% the rate of income.

[@wilhelmmarais41]

You did not do a lot of research before you did this documentary. Why did you not start this documentary by explaining to people that apartheid had it's beginning in the Dutch Reformed Church and that they enforsed it onto the government. You just revealed the side of black south africa without any reasons why it was so. This made me pissed off and your whole documentary is just a lot of shit.

[@jamesbedugraham8056]

Yeah the DRChurch really endorsed Segregation but then South Africa really had no choice way back in the early 1950s.

[@jamesbedugraham8056]

Yeah the Documentary was really spot on.

[@MegaLadylove2012]

Why don’t you make your own?

[@yannick245]

Dude! This is a 40yo documentary portraying the situation in the 1980's. And it was certainly not produced by the uploader.

[@areguapiri]

This documentary was made by white supremacists. What did you expect?

[@user-ii5cw9pf3v]

NOW CHEEKY FACES JAILTIME . LOL THE IRONY

[@neillvanzyl8848]

Everybodies experts

[@bobbydee2592]

The Dogs show who the real Evil ones are. Animals know.

[@kimnoel9873]

My Favorite Sport is a Basketball.HEY! ⛹🏾‍♂️🐄🇿🇦🥤💙❤️

[@billygoat2867]

freak

[@Selous_Scout]

I’d live in South Africa in the 80,s and don’t mind admitting it

[@nlocnil3602]

Because you love the smell of racism and segregation. Must be lovely

[@Selous_Scout]

@@nlocnil3602 you said that not me …..I said it looked like a nice place to live in the 80,s clean sunny why mention race did I….you leftie woke types find racism where it doesn’t exist

[@Klopp2543]

Edit your statement and add as a white!

[@lifeandtimesofsazi3192]

South Africa. Was very dangerous in the 80s. So many bombings were going on. The country was getting pounded with sanctions

[@wernerschneider4460]

I would not, because I'm married to somebody not my color. I never had a girl-friend of my color, and never even considered marrying somebody of my color. I'm white, by the way. Nkosi sikelele iAfrica.