Thank you so much for sharing such magical steam moments. The SA scenery, sounds and light combine beautifully with steam.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Inedible scenery there.
@hestersurmon89549 жыл бұрын
When that garrett come steaming up from Ondervalle to Boven (1977) I tell you theres no greater sound than that. Ah! Music to my ears.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Magnificent sounds!
@moreenskincare4121 Жыл бұрын
The quality of music it makes is second to none 🔥🔥🔥
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@buyadonkey15 жыл бұрын
I can remember a train ride above the clouds descending down Montagu pass early in the morning in the 1960’s. I will never forget this. It is a memory that I will take to my grave. `Oh you beautiful Garratts’ that made it possible.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
A magical place with amazing steam locomotives
@ADMIRALSCORNER14 жыл бұрын
Well worth seeing, glad you filmed it!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks, it was quite amazing.
@blackthorne5711 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, South Africa at its best, thanks for posting.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@tonybastick13 жыл бұрын
Great bit of film,i just got back from S A and to see two of the last of these monsters in Bloemfontein yard together with what is suposed to the national collection just abandoned and rusting away brings tears to your eyes.S A just has no intrest in steam heitage apart from a few small groups doing their bit to preserve what they can.Tony
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Yes it's a crying shame, the state of railways there now...
@Simon_Hawkshaw Жыл бұрын
Iconic locomotives of my youth. Thanks for sharing.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Yes those Garratts are awesome locomotives
@duncangardiner97924 жыл бұрын
Magnificent footage
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@blackthorne577 жыл бұрын
Some great shots typical of S Africa, thanks for posting.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@GadgeteerZA11 жыл бұрын
Stunning video photography!!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@crewkerne4011 жыл бұрын
Amazing pictures,thanks for posting them.So sad to read that these locos are no longer working.I toured SA in 1976,80 and 85,in 76 I travelled over the Montague Pass behind a GMA.the only GEAs I saw were 26 at Paarden Eiland and about 5-6 at Voorbai all waiting for the scrapman so never saw one working. Plenty of happy memories,You Tube brings back these memories.Alan.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Cheers, they were good days
@eisbeinGermany Жыл бұрын
and to think after 1994 elections how the country fell into a hell hole, now its so unsafe to travel,
@gyorgyrabenschwartz96104 жыл бұрын
Excellent footage! Sad to see that SA neglected a vital part of its heritage.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Yes, so sad. It could have been a real drawcard.
@eisbeinGermany Жыл бұрын
and to think today in some places no rails even left.all stolen after covid
@eisbeinGermany Жыл бұрын
and to think in some places no rails even left. all stolen during covid @@steamfreak
@DerLabbeduddel13 жыл бұрын
Fantastic and great video. Thank you very much.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@Zimbabwerailways6 ай бұрын
That wistle was amazing
@steamfreak5 ай бұрын
It was! Such a great trip.
@trambahn11 жыл бұрын
Much steam and interesting locomotives in a magnificent landscape! Great video!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks. That was a great trip.
@modjadje13 жыл бұрын
Yes, magnificent! I grew up with these engines at close hand as my Dad worked for what was back then called the S.A.R&H ... South African Railways and Harbours. I left SA in 1987 and think it is terribly sad that the current regime does not honor such rich history ... Thank you so very much ...
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Very sad these days
@foreversteam14 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video - Somehow SAR Steam is still tops for me!!! Thanks for posting, 5* Bryn
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@fredarrandale20035 жыл бұрын
Used to go down to the works as a kid to see the Garrats leaving on a low loader going to the docks .My old dad was foreman boiler maker at Peacocks building the front end of the Garrats. Very little left of the works apart from the boundary walls, Gorton now run down used to be a major engineering area.There are more blacks here than in South Africa.
@steamfreak5 жыл бұрын
They produced some mighty machines!
@pheonics15313 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Trev! It's absolutely amazing how these locos operate. I would LOVE to go to South Africa and visit the steam depots just for photos.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan. Sadly all the depots are history now.
@eisbeinGermany Жыл бұрын
sadly the country is now so un safe,
@eisbeinGermany Жыл бұрын
not only that, how unsafe its now in SA @@steamfreak
@bahn24527 жыл бұрын
Awesome footage. Thank you for sharing.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jameskrause52194 жыл бұрын
Greta memeories as a laaitie.My dad worked as a conductor in Oudtshoorn and george,later on the Choo Tjoe
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Amazing railway lines
@kaupunkimoukari14 жыл бұрын
Most beautiful steamloco video I've ever seen. Sometimes it felt like slow motion..
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@GMCobh13 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Just Beautiful. Garretts have always seemed special to me,and this is just about the best video I have seen on KZbin so far about them. Such a special type of loco, they make the "Mallets" seem ordinary. Two power bogies, and a loco in between..... Lovely pink morning light and steam as well, thanks :). Magnicificent.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MrUwe196012 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you for sharing Uwe
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Cheers
@e.gonnermann4646 Жыл бұрын
Spectacular!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks! That was a great day...
@dwkcamman61112 жыл бұрын
Simply amazing!!!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks. That was an incredible day.
@NN2Blue14 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video! Thank you for sharing. 5* - Mike
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Crosshead114 жыл бұрын
Does it get any better than this? Fabulous post. 5*
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@WayneSA8513 жыл бұрын
Hell, these two put on one hell of a show
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Was very impressive!
@steamfreak13 жыл бұрын
@Linda69P Thanks! This was filmed in August 2002. Sadly since then so much has changed. These locomotives and even the train are no longer operating.
@MrLukealbanese7 жыл бұрын
Its amazing the drivers can see anything at all!!!
@Deontjie4 жыл бұрын
They know the road.....
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
There was plenty of steam that cold morning!
@mabhekaphansi14 жыл бұрын
O yes! Loverly! I well remember these fabulous machines when steam ruled our r;l system. "Earth hath not anything to show more fair ...."
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@railwaychannel14 жыл бұрын
Wonderful film. Thankyou
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Cheers
@thirdengineer2 жыл бұрын
Great footage l love SAR that was and have suscribed. l have footage on my channel ( third engineer ) of Garratts on Pietermaritzburg MPD in 1973
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks , I'll have a look.
@natashanel1665 Жыл бұрын
Once a steamfreak always a steamfreak Mag. Locomotives
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Always! 🙂
@mabhekaphansi14 жыл бұрын
O yes! Loverly! I well remember these fabulous machines when steam ruled pour ra;l system.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Good days, those.
@steamfreak11 жыл бұрын
Directly, yes, but mainly due to the state railway company Transnet deciding to no longer continue their heritage section. These locos are still in existence, but standing and rusting whilst the coaches have been weather damaged and some vandalised beyond repair. Sad.
@yves-noel-mariegonnet104310 жыл бұрын
Bravo! Thanck you!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@fjbutch9 жыл бұрын
Awesome !
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@sergelivernais71527 жыл бұрын
C'est le plus beau clip vu sur une double-traction GARRATTS sur train de voyageurs. de très belles images ! Félicitations au caméraman ! J'espère qu'il a été conservé quelques unes de ces machines en état pour tracter des trains spéciaux ?
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
🙂🙂🙂
@jamesbraithwaite4788 жыл бұрын
Even better than a Union Pacific Big Boy.
@steamfreak8 жыл бұрын
+James Braithwaite :) I think so...
@yardlet67 жыл бұрын
Big Boys have bigger boilers but Garratts are cool in their own way. Waste of motive power for a passenger run though. What gauge is the track?
@squach62397 жыл бұрын
Alex Batey On another video they said 1.06 meter. Don't know if it's the same as these. That was the Zimbabwe rail video,same type engines though!
@isdrakens7 жыл бұрын
South Africa runs on narrow gauge rail
@yardlet67 жыл бұрын
Most US rail is standard size gauge. Very few narrow gauge.I have home videos of the Big Boys,Union Pacific films.
@BorisLu5 жыл бұрын
Super video!
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that was one of my favourite days!
@user-kj9mo5ub1y9 ай бұрын
True old school power
@steamfreak9 ай бұрын
Full steam Garratt Power... The best!
@Sowerbylads12 жыл бұрын
Superb!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Oldskoolrailroad14 жыл бұрын
massive footage !
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@articulatedloco9 жыл бұрын
Austrorus. They are water tanks for the locos. Locos only carry enough water in the front tank for use in the yards. The design was adopted to keep the weight down for use on lightly laid branch lines.
@spoonnz8 жыл бұрын
That's correct. softer rails are easier to make and lay. when most of the rails in southern Africa were laid they had a choice, soft rails, or stronger rails, softer rails would go further but they had a weight limits. so the decided to use the Garret because of its low surface area, and tractive effort so the train could pull the same weight as the stronger rails.
@squach62397 жыл бұрын
Grease Maggot That's what I thought. The Garret was a lighter narrow gauge answer for a twin engine compound engine without having the weight of those big articulated monster like the Challenger and Big boys.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Indeed. They were semi-permanently coupled.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
They were the ideal loco for big loads on light lines
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
It's more the rail weight than the hardness of the steel. These could run on 60 lb/yd which is quite light
@Randolph12336 жыл бұрын
It is easy to understand how the steam loco is only 7% efficient. Think of the sweat and toil the coal miners had in supplying fuel for one journey. Praise God for the endeavour of those who designed and made these magnificent beasts.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Yes they sure were not efficient beasts!
@adriannettlefold90842 жыл бұрын
May I ask how you were able to say that a steam locomotive is only 7% efficient? Is that from a conversion of calorific value to effective tractive effort? Or simply that it takes more imputs compared to other forms of traction? Interestingly enough now in 2022 I would think steam could almost be competative as opposed to diesel hauled services.
@Randolph12332 жыл бұрын
@@adriannettlefold9084 , Adrian,I listened to a scientific programme about the relative benefits of various forms of power generating systems , including traction. I have good reason to believe it is true. The heat dissipated by a firebox on a locomotive is enormous. When the smoke is expelled, it blows out much heat with it. The system is not enclosed- meaning the great bulk of the heat is wasted. I worked as a thermal insulation engineer- a fancy name for a lagger- in power stations , factories, gas liquification plants in the UAE.
@adriannettlefold90842 жыл бұрын
@@Randolph1233 thank you for the reply and explanation. I am a locomotive driver and qualified on Steam with our Heritage Division in Queensland Rail, Australia. When you mentioned the figure of 7% it had me interested as to how or why you came to that conclusion, and yes I agree that it does loose most heat. But would also like to add, that it is a very effective design in imparting that heat energy into generating steam given the variables in stop start , up and down gradient, and change in load being hauled at any given time. Internal firebox brick arches lengthen the gas path for better and complete combustion. Superheater elements impart much of the remaining calorific value of the hot gases passing through to exhaust as is possible as well as feedwater heaters and in some SAR locos condencors. Again thanks for the reply. Cheers
@psycotria Жыл бұрын
@@adriannettlefold9084 The thermodynamic efficiency of the external combustion steam locomotive is low, but modern design of flow and skilled operators can raise the efficiency significantly. I wonder how total cost of ownership over the engines' lifetimes compare with soulless electronic diesel boxes.
@JuanManuelGrijalvo9 жыл бұрын
Speechless.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@PhillipNewmarch13 жыл бұрын
Holy Smoke! Beats any dragon movie!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
😊 Thanks!
@psycotria10 жыл бұрын
I've heard that after the end of apartheid, things that were created by the regime were discarded willy-nilly, regardless how important to the country's prosperity or their historical significance. The SAR was decimated, after which overloaded over the road trucking destroyed the roads. All to rid the country of an historic icon. People such as that would cut off their noses to spite their faces. Is that far off the mark? If not, then many tragic losses.
@yardlet67 жыл бұрын
The decline was started when De Klerk was still around. It was the Saffa version of the Beecham report. Rian Mulam did a PBS special on his return to SA and talked of line closings and loss of some passenger service.
@charlesbutt84067 жыл бұрын
It is a tragedy
@Randolph12332 жыл бұрын
@@charlesbutt8406 , you can’t run a transport system, which is too costly, just because you like the drama of the sound, sight , and smell of steam.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
They did indeed. It's even worse now.
@psycotria Жыл бұрын
@@steamfreak Thank you for the reply. There is an evil corruption at work in the world. South Africa is certainly a mess. Every country is corrupted to some extent. Your videos in South Africa are a favorite of mine. The Red Devil and its upgrades prompted my looking into Porta et al. I can't identify one diesel box from another; its the steam locomotive with its soul that I love. Of course I love the Welsh Highland Rwy and its story. I love the 2' gauge, a size that would make a great fit in cities. Best wishes and thanks for the videos.
@stephensmith7993 жыл бұрын
Wonderous Beasts...
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Incredible!
@mthokoowen14604 жыл бұрын
It looks likes a leading was either priming or just leaking badly.Garrat locomtives were powerful and I fail to understand as to why did they have to double head that train.A lone GEA garrat rated 14 coaches unassisted while GMA took up to 16 effortlessly.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Mostly for show, as it was a tourist train
@okotokspaul13 жыл бұрын
not being a steam fan but thats cracking footage Trevor
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Thomas19807 жыл бұрын
wow....cool!
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@steamfreak12 жыл бұрын
There are a few in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe and Wankie Colliery and Vic Falls, also Zimbabwe.
@hawkeye-vv4kb9 жыл бұрын
A bit off the topic, but not entirely. I travelled as a kid many times on steam trains and I remember seeing every now and then a train inspector sitting next to the tracks with a hammer hitting the passing wheels. He was obviously listening to the sound from each strike. Was he listening for any cracks in the wheels?
@Uftonwood28 жыл бұрын
I remember the wheel taper make his way along the train, the ultrasonic test of its age.
@6___________99_____________647 жыл бұрын
hawkeye0248 Iv heard of them being called Tapiologists although. I'm not too sure if this was there official designation or not.
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed he was listening for the thunk of a cracked tyre.
@Randolph12332 жыл бұрын
The World Bank made a loan to Angola conditional to them getting rid of their wood burning garret locomotives. This may have been in the 1970’s
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Sounds right. Zimbabwe had similar from Canada...
@idolinocreon44185 жыл бұрын
Great!
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@DT696014 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@1hermannk4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I am looking for shots (pictures) for the GMAM Garratt's cab.
@steamfreak4 жыл бұрын
Not sure if a have any...
@exilfromsanity7 жыл бұрын
It just doesn't get any better thn double headed Garrets!
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
They are pretty good!
@steamfreak13 жыл бұрын
@Spalterbockl Yes, it was the same TRV7E Mini DV camera with Sennheiser ground mic.
@stephensmith7993 жыл бұрын
Brutal!
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Yep that's some decent power for narrow gauge!
@steamfreak13 жыл бұрын
@pheonics153 Might be a bit late Dan, not much still running there now...
@Randolph12336 жыл бұрын
steamfreak3450 - Steam trains around the world I
@SS0894713 жыл бұрын
Visually and audibly 5 stars...
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@austrorus10 жыл бұрын
nice to look at for fans, but hell to work for the engineers
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
They loved it!
@tomarmstrong26138 жыл бұрын
Certainly had a lot of Steam Leaks ! Shows wat sort of maintenance these Beautiful Beasts received ? there is 1 Class 600 Beyer-Garrat at the Canberra rail Museum in Full Working order !!
@steamfreak8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Armstrong Thanks Tom - I've been to see 6029 a few times - amazing! kzbin.info/www/bejne/amixknymbdBlf5o
@TheCalgarycanuck8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Armstrong Steam leaks abate as loco heats up at 5:03
@Spalterbockl13 жыл бұрын
Very good, thank you, trevor. Did you use the same identical video cameras?
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Yes, I had an analog camera 1994-1997 then miniDV from 2007.
@cadser0engco3 жыл бұрын
Pity he cant shut the cylinder drains as well as he plays the whistle
@steamfreak3 жыл бұрын
🤣 Indeed!
@MrScothern17 жыл бұрын
at 5,38 does one engine coast along while the other works hard on a down hill to save fuel,
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
I have wondered about that. Possibly, although they both seem to be working...
@timothypurser87299 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what happened to the garratts beyer sold to south africa when Australia refused the last 3 of the 60 class?
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
It's unlikely any 60 Class ever went to South Africa
@autooctavia1336 жыл бұрын
I have some videos of the Beyer Garratt on my channel but I had to take them on my phone
@steamfreak6 жыл бұрын
Thanks I'll have a look
@7822welshsteam10 жыл бұрын
I bet you were pleased with the shot at 2:00.
@steamfreak9 жыл бұрын
I was pleased with the whole trip - but yes, especially that shot!
@zoomeristen12 жыл бұрын
Great Vid !!! Are there any Garratts left in service in the southern parts of Africa today ??????
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
There are a number of 2' gauge Garratts at Sandstone, plus a GMAM at Creighton. That's about it.
@Linda69P13 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. What is the date this was filmed?
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
August 2001
@pcnerd211 жыл бұрын
Its a shame when this happens to railways. Mind you the kingston flyer went under but that got saved so we never know
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
I'm still hoping!
@gnosticbrian39807 жыл бұрын
How does the driver see the signals through all that steam and smoke?
@steamfreak7 жыл бұрын
+Gnostic Brian the are probably running on radio train orders so would have the radio in the lead loco's can.
@pcnerd211 жыл бұрын
Due to maintenance?
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Due to railway management who don't care, sadly...
@Zimbabwerailways6 ай бұрын
Why do these locos steam much more than the ones in zim
@steamfreak6 ай бұрын
It was a freezing morning, giving lovely clouds of white steam.
@Zimbabwerailways6 ай бұрын
Do you know what has happened to them
@hennef5314 жыл бұрын
Impossibel to find better movies on youtube!
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ppjolla5 жыл бұрын
Carbon footprint???? what are you talking about. used to go from jhb to grahamstown for school. garretts at alicedale :D
@steamfreak5 жыл бұрын
It's all steam, and some carbon solids returning to whence they came!
@ppjolla5 жыл бұрын
you sound like a trump follower. educate yourself about what happens when you burn coal. remark was made tongue in cheek "When coal is burned, it reacts with the oxygen in the air. This chemical reaction converts the stored solar energy into thermal energy, which is released as heat. But it also produces carbon dioxide and methane."
@steamfreak5 жыл бұрын
@@ppjolla Not sure what Trump has to do with Garratt locomotives - he probably wouldn't even know what one is? Yes, my reply was also made tongue in cheek. I am kind of aware what happens when coal is burned, but thank you for the attempted education effort!
@austrorus10 жыл бұрын
waht do they ahve inbetwee nthe 2 Locos? additional tank with water?
@psycotria10 жыл бұрын
"... inbetwee nthe 2 Locos? additional tank with water?" * * * Yes. * * *
@steamfreak Жыл бұрын
Yes, extra water tank. Not many working columns around these days.
@rhettcorbett33462 жыл бұрын
True Legends of a bygone era. Can't you see the Climate Catasrophits heads exploding ? 🤯🤯🤯. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
🤣 Yes indeed! I do cop a bit of climate alarmism here on this channel! Steam locos are definitely Greta's worst nightmare!
@rhettcorbett33462 жыл бұрын
@@steamfreak They are all Grade A HYPOCRITES. Chuck em in the firebox. Lol. Our most famous steam train is the 3801 in Australia.
@lauderfrost7 жыл бұрын
Surely Garratts are essentially freight engines? Why are they pulling this passenger train? Must have been a fairly slow trip?
@steamfreak7 жыл бұрын
+Gregory Lauder-Frost Garratts hauled all manner of trains in South Africa, on the many mountains routes. The old PE passenger train that plied this route was Garratt hauled on this section. And yes it was a slow trip!
@duncangardiner97924 жыл бұрын
Terrain in South Africa dictated that Garratts were used extensively for all train types, for some time they were the dominant loco in Natal, in particular on branch lines that climbed in land.
@SirDeanosity7 жыл бұрын
What is the box at the front of the engines? What is the tank car (between the engines) for?
@steamfreak7 жыл бұрын
+SirDeanosity they are articulated Garratt locomotives, so they have a water tank at the front. The tank car is a feeder tank for the GMAM Garratt, these were permanently attached to the GMAM Garratts f or additional water capacity.
@shroomzed29476 жыл бұрын
SirDeanosity, Beyer Garratt locomotives were designed this way with a water tank over the front power unit and a full tender over the back power unit so the boiler could be slung between the frames. This means you could fit a very wide radius boiler with short length tubing (which is exactly what you want for a powerful boiler) and fit within the relatively tight loading gauges of the states and colonies that used them. The Beyer Garratt format also kept axle loading quite reasonable and so they were the solution for many Asian and African countries where more powerful locomotives were required but putting on stronger infrastructure was economically infeasible. The tank car was mostly a South African practice and was the primary place for water consumption. The reason is that if considerable amounts of water were taken from the front tank, adhesion decreases considerably for the front unit.
@adamhinkle79825 жыл бұрын
Are the rear cylinder cocks open on both locomotives at 7:01?
@steamfreak5 жыл бұрын
Yep, certainly looks that way...
@scotchegg34195 жыл бұрын
made in sunny Gorton.
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work!
@jamesbraithwaite4788 жыл бұрын
Are they still at work now?
@steamfreak8 жыл бұрын
+James Braithwaite those locos are still around but not working. The GMAM has recently been acquired for use on the Knysna line and will hopefully run again soon.
@jamesbraithwaite4788 жыл бұрын
Cool.
@pedronesich67699 жыл бұрын
Esas locomotoras ,son puro humo,y dificultosas para ver el maquinista por el rumbo que vá.
@steamfreak9 жыл бұрын
Pedro Nesich You are right! But it is mostly steam, as it was a freezing cold morning. But still difficult for the crew to see the line ahead...
@leifliltorp15665 жыл бұрын
Why doublehead???
@steamfreak5 жыл бұрын
A long and heavy train over a steeply graded mountain pass.
@nellAyaR20348 жыл бұрын
Did they really need two locos for this train?
@steamfreak8 жыл бұрын
No, I really think that the GEA could have handled the load solo!
@hughmcinally9078 жыл бұрын
Maybe not, but I'm so glad they did. Awesome stuff.
@fredkitmakerb94798 жыл бұрын
I'm also glad they doubleheaded. But while Garrets are powerful, they have a design flaw in that all the weight on the drivers are under the tenders, and as the loco consumes fuel, it gets lighter, thus loosing tractive effort. Montagu Pass has a hard grade of 1 to 36, pr 2.78%. Though for any railway. So doubleheading would be necessary.
@fredkitmakerb94798 жыл бұрын
I made a mistake. These Garrats were not as powerful as I thought. The GEA & GMAM "only" had tractive effort of 60,700 lb (75%). The UP Challegers generated up to 97,350 lb, and some 4-8-2 Mountains (specifically the Frisco's) generated more than that ( 66,400lbs)..
@DeCasoU17 жыл бұрын
But with a Garratt you do not have a tender sat on a series of undriven axles. This was a problem with American articulated designs, some 170 tons and more sat on unpowered axles under the tender - and don't mention the Allegheny which had some 117 long tons of locomotive sat on undriven axles. The Y6b had only a little over 28 long tons on the undriven axles under the locomotives. the difference in weight between the two types is a little over 71 long tons. Yes the N & W design is smaller but the amount of weight on the Lima design which is the reverse of beneficial when it comes to delivering power to the railhead is little short of embarrassing. The Y6b actually has the greater adhesive weight. the design also made far more money for the company that built it than was the case for "Lima's finest".
@fuckTorsss6 жыл бұрын
На керосине. Охуенная техника. Хоть что-то в Африке есть...
@steamfreak2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Sanjoykumar1006 жыл бұрын
These locomotives are the main reasons for global warming ,pollution ,and melting of Antarctica's ice and glaciers.
@steamfreak6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! You're quite the comedian! Their numbers have been dwindling since the 1940's. Only a handful survived into this century. You're clearly no climate scientist...