Southamptons Lost Canal Tunnel under the City.

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Paul Whitewick

Paul Whitewick

3 жыл бұрын

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@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Hey folks. Couple of things. 1) For reasons I have yet to work out my lips won't pronounce Palmerston correctly. Forgive me. 2) We explored the rest of the Canal and what remains later in the day. Make sure you subscribe to see the video later this month.
@pilpelet100
@pilpelet100 3 жыл бұрын
Just a thought - if you mentally split the word "Palmerston" after "Palm" then you can think "palm tree" for pronunciation of palm. Then it will perhaps be easier to do Palm-erston. Long ago my mother used to call the soap "pal molive" instead of "palm olive" so I've been familiar with this problem for around 60 years! 😉
@Mika_Storm
@Mika_Storm 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the second part, I really like these kind of stories, thanks for showcasing them!
@calxtra5361
@calxtra5361 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha :))))
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 3 жыл бұрын
You talk too fast, thats why. Slow down.
@coldblue9mm
@coldblue9mm 3 жыл бұрын
@@pilpelet100 Wow, you know, sometimes I think we pronounce words the way we heard it the first time. You're Palmolive is a prime example. I pronounce it just like your Mother did. I had to have heard it pronounced that way and for years now, I guess I've mispronounced it. I'll work on it! lol
@joewalker643
@joewalker643 3 жыл бұрын
Im a train driver that goes through Southampton tunnel multiple times a week. There is a section almost in the middle that is reinforced with metal shields rather than brickwork and I'm guessing that's where the lowered tunnel intersected the canal. The railway tunnel still suffers badly with water ingress. It's very wet in there.
@Randomstuffs261
@Randomstuffs261 3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing that there's a giant 200 year old uncompleted tunnel under somewhere so busy and NOBODY has seen it. You'd think someone would get a shovel out and take a look
@petes6814
@petes6814 3 жыл бұрын
I have seen the entrance to the canal tunnel from the rail tunnel. It was possible to crawl through a 3 foot high adit at about track which went downwards to the canal tunnel. There was water in there, but it was a good while ago. I was a junior track technical officer based at Southampton for the St Denys Totton resignalling from 1980 to 1983 and used to do a fair bit of manual tunnel profiling in there. A bulge in the tunnel lining was found fairly close to the civic centre tower which prompted the first tranche of track work to install a new invert slab and lining repairs about 1982/83 I think.
@nwae8812
@nwae8812 3 жыл бұрын
When I used to be a train driver at Eastleigh, I travelled through the rail tunnel many times. I remember staff talking about the canal tunnel. Great of you to confirm the gossip was correct. Many thanks from New Zealand.🧐
@joewalker643
@joewalker643 3 жыл бұрын
Ive not long started (in railway terms) driving from fratton depot. I was told about the canal during route learning. Hope you are enjoying NZ.
@PowerPete999
@PowerPete999 3 жыл бұрын
The energy of David Bellamy and the knowledge of David Attenborough.....epic
@michaelpilling9659
@michaelpilling9659 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. I lived and worked in Southampton from 1979 to 2005. I had no idea whatsoever that this canal even existed. I doubt whether a lot of other people in Southampton do either. A brilliant video, historically very important and extrememly important to the historical story of Southampton. Thank you guys very much.
@juleshathaway3894
@juleshathaway3894 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the early 1980’s BR carried out a lot of work in the tunnel including relaying both lines and they published a leaflet explaining the works. In it they talked about the existence of the tunnel and now they had to go into it to check its integrity.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Need to get a copy of that leaflet!
@andrewfanner2245
@andrewfanner2245 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick I'd try the City Library first, then the archives and finally Netowrk Rail who might have some copies. I commuted to Southampton daily durng the time of the tunnel works but never kept the leaflet.
@viking1236
@viking1236 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewfanner2245 if they were BR records then Railtrack probably binned them before they got to Networkrail.
@johnmccallum8512
@johnmccallum8512 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick The British Library at Weatherby just might have copy's.
@stephenlehardy6372
@stephenlehardy6372 3 жыл бұрын
This was wonderful. I once traced the route of the Salisbury and Southampton canal as a school project and have been fascinated ever since. Love your videos.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stephen. We traced a lot of later in the day. Video out in a few weeks
@lindamccaughey6669
@lindamccaughey6669 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Lots of history just loved it. Thanks so much for taking me along. Please stay safe
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@malcolmhowe6602
@malcolmhowe6602 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guyS.. it was added to the Andover Canal that ran to Redbridge .. odd bits remain but it goes unheralded and unmarked in Andover especially.. Canal Street in Soton still had mooring rings visible until a few tears ago..
@nilo70
@nilo70 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for sharing this with all of us ! You guys ROCK . Cheers from California !
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Olin.
@gibbo9089
@gibbo9089 3 жыл бұрын
My local city and I knew nothing about that canal! Thanks for sharing.
@conspireality44
@conspireality44 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that! Used to live in Netley Abbey for a short time in 2012. Was nice to catch up with a bit of southmpton history, cheers!
@MrVxrman
@MrVxrman 3 жыл бұрын
Great video guys 😎 Thanks for sharing 😀🍻🥂👍🏻
@charliejames9698
@charliejames9698 3 жыл бұрын
Really great video really great editing and really great and interesting about the canal thanks. Jimmy.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Charles.
@BRONKOMUSIC
@BRONKOMUSIC 2 жыл бұрын
i enjoyed this and you done a very good job explaining thanks for uploading
@a11csc
@a11csc 3 жыл бұрын
very interesting you two thanks
@simontaylor4791
@simontaylor4791 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for brightening my monday again
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Always a pleasure
@SteveMorton
@SteveMorton 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Great research, I also like the improvements to the presentation and editing you have made with this one. Excellent
@Sp1tfiref0rever
@Sp1tfiref0rever Жыл бұрын
I live in Southampton and have done for 63yrs and this is the first I have heard of the canal tunnel, thanks Paul.
@raggytigger217
@raggytigger217 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Well done.
@rogerwatson7205
@rogerwatson7205 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating to think what be under your feet almost like another world. Thanks for the video excellent as ever.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Roger
@marklloyd3536
@marklloyd3536 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, well produced and interesting.
@davidsturmer3646
@davidsturmer3646 3 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable and interesting. Your work just keeps getting better by the vlog. It is great to see your subs rising!!!
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robin
@dodgy1954
@dodgy1954 3 жыл бұрын
I like your videos. Very noticeable how you are honing your craft as film makers to compliment your enthusiasm for historical infrastructure. Keep it up! - Looking forward to the next one whilst working through the back catalogue :-).
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon, very kind.
@nigelbarker4135
@nigelbarker4135 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Very interesting 😀👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
@derricklewis5397
@derricklewis5397 3 жыл бұрын
Nice music selection. Great editing too
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jimmy. Much appreciated
@Ian_UK
@Ian_UK 3 жыл бұрын
Love the end of the perfectly timed "Outtake"
@janhenkins
@janhenkins 3 жыл бұрын
Putting in my oar: I have to mention (mainly because it makes me somewhat jealous...) that the production quality of your videos have improved so much that it's really going off the scale. Well done both of you! :-) I'm not a railway nerd, but you are turning me into one...
@biggles50405
@biggles50405 3 жыл бұрын
Great videography, getting quite slick now guys, very informative video as always. 👏😊
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith, learning as we go!
@lifeat2.3milesanhour57
@lifeat2.3milesanhour57 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff
@jshicke
@jshicke 3 жыл бұрын
I have been watching a lot of videos about Narrow boating on the canals in England. You have so many! Here in America, we have very few canals, and I wondered why. What I found is that America has a lot of rivers, and many of the big cities back in the 1600's and 1700's, were built alongside major rivers. We did not have many canals because we did not need many canals, we could transport goods up and down the existing rivers. I did find one surprise though...... About 20 miles from my home near Charleston, South Carolina, is "Old Santee Canal Park", site of the first canal in America. Go figure, I had the very first American canal right outside my front door, so to speak. River boats transporting agriculture products from the midland of the state to Charleston, would follow the Santee river to the sea, then travel along the coast to get to Charleston harbor. Many boats and crews were lost when bad weather would catch these shallow draft river boats on the open water of the coastal Atlantic. It was decided to dig a 22 mile long canal to connect the Santee and Cooper rivers so that these shallow draft vessels would not need to venture into the open Atlantic waters to reach the city of Charleston, as the harbor connects directly to the Cooper River. Construction began in 1793 and was completed in 1800. The Santee Canal was 22 miles long with three locks to lift boats from the Santee River to the summit level and seven locks for the descent of the boats to the Cooper River. Droughts and increased competition from railroads prompted shareholders to revoke its charter in 1850.
@katebygrave
@katebygrave 3 жыл бұрын
Your best narration yet. 👍🏼
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kate, very kind!
@UnderTheRadar1976
@UnderTheRadar1976 Жыл бұрын
Great video there was a report when they lowered the tracks for the larger trains they went through the roof of the canal tunnel and is the reason why the work on the tunnel took so long
@gringotom242
@gringotom242 3 жыл бұрын
Your presenting style is coming along well!
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@marilynbalderstone696
@marilynbalderstone696 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating Paul and Rebecca. Thank you again. I lived in Southampton till 17 and didn’t know about it till much later. Never mentioned at school. They were fixed on the Tudors. There is a really good little book by Edwin Course that explains it all. There were even some mooring rings till quite late in Canal Walk not far from where you were in the park but they might have gone now.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marilyn.
@robinnicholson4009
@robinnicholson4009 3 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyable. Years ago I thought the route ran alongside the railway north of Southampton. I will try and find your video.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Robin, check out the video in the Canal playlist, as you suggest it did follow that route indeed.
@christopherbraiden6713
@christopherbraiden6713 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see this video interesting stuff as usual!!😎🐓🐓🇬🇧
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@gregruthen3844
@gregruthen3844 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff out of sequence but had to look at cos I was born in Southampton and luv canals. Cheers
@MattHrman-Cutis
@MattHrman-Cutis 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Southampton I'll definitely be exploring this later on
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely see if you can get to the park end and work out the landscape there. Canal View!
@pilpelet100
@pilpelet100 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating.
@Ingramdumpkiss
@Ingramdumpkiss 3 жыл бұрын
There was a thread about this on the railuk forums, where I asked if any Network Rail engineers working on the tunnel knew anything about it. Apparently the two tunnels cross closer to the Eastern rather than the western rail portal and a hundred yards in or so is a door which gives (gave) access to the old canal tunnel. As you say the portion of canal tunnel underneath the rail tunnel is filled in with rubble but nobody has ever ventured beyond it. I would guess from descriptions of its construction that it has long since collapsed under the vibration of city traffic above it and the fact that there has been no subsequent subsidence since the school incident, and even if it wasn't it would be a terrifying and dangerous exploration!
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
I saw a thread on railforum but that referred to the guy that was in the BBC building (western end) and got down to the cross over point there. Maybe I misread it
@woolva
@woolva 2 жыл бұрын
Northside of southampton central train station, in the car park you will find manhole covers.. That's all I will say.. 😏
@shaunwest3612
@shaunwest3612 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Paul and Rebecca, the railway into Portsmouth and Southsea station is built into the old Arundel to Portsmouth canal, similar to the Southampton canal I suppose,love the outtake at the end👌😀👍
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
That seemed to happen a heck of a lot including through the west of Southampton
@shaunwest3612
@shaunwest3612 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick yeah I should think it was an easy option for the engineers building the railway 👍
@davidcann6021
@davidcann6021 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew Southampton had a canal. I've seen photos of when the railway was built though and they dug out the whole area across the park, built the tunnel and filled it back in over the top. Also WW2 shelters in the park area which may have changed the landscape since. Saying that I've not been back into Soton in a decade.
@wollywotsit
@wollywotsit 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic
@bullettube9863
@bullettube9863 3 жыл бұрын
Well at least Southampton got a nice park out if it! I like the music in the background, very nice! You and Rebecca are getting more professional with every video you do!
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@painterman235
@painterman235 3 жыл бұрын
Love the outake :-)
@BillySugger1965
@BillySugger1965 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video Paul. Looking forward to the next instalment. Nice that you corrected town to city, as Southampton is indeed a city today. But in the period you were describing, it was indeed a town. And if a city is a town with a royal charter, then it’s both a town and a city, but that won’t satisfy the actually-it’s-a-city-not-a-town brigade 😆 Also, if you’re exploring what’s under towns and cities, I grew up in Salisbury where there were rumours of a huge military bunker underneath Castle Street (accessed through what was the Prudential Insurance offices). Many Cold War installations are now declassified and make fascinating stories. Any interest in exploring this particular tale? (Not to mention local rumours of similar beneath HQUKLF in Wilton).
@DJ_K666
@DJ_K666 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you've been to Rugby but there are 4 abandoned railways, several disused stations and the old Great central can be walked. As well as an abandoned stretch of canal and a tunnel if you're interested.
@richmiller7834
@richmiller7834 3 жыл бұрын
there's a lot of old canal stonework to be seen along Lee Lane which runs off the A27 to the south of Romsey down to Lee, Nursling, Redbridge and into Southampton....
@dougbrain2840
@dougbrain2840 3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting, thank you. Love the Palmerston pronunciation and King Edward 4th instead of 6th but as a local, found it very informative. Don’t mess with our local bells though! 🤣
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
EVERY 15 minutes!!
@cjeam9199
@cjeam9199 3 жыл бұрын
The Whitewicks they play a tune at 8, 12, 4 & 8 too, and on a couple of occasions the tune has got stuck on and played for a couple of hours!
@U34CH
@U34CH 3 жыл бұрын
For lots of disused stations in a small area try Ely, March and Wisbech in Cambridgeshire.
@Sim0nTrains
@Sim0nTrains 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly that outtake wasn't saved by the bell! lol It was also a great lovely short video and honesty didn't knew about there was plans for a canal tunnel. When looking at OS Maps back in December, I did noticed that it had a lot of track in that area, especially Southampton Terminus (which I shared a photo on Twitter) So there is some good history in that area.
@carolinegray3150
@carolinegray3150 3 жыл бұрын
Good video
@Christopher125
@Christopher125 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see more about abandoned and uncompleted canals along the south coast, there's a good few to choose from.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Arun is on the list.
@prillewitz
@prillewitz 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Really would like to know more.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the links in the description.
@sightscreen66
@sightscreen66 3 жыл бұрын
The industrial archaeologist Edwin Course inspected part of the canal tunnel during maintenance work of the railway tunnel some years back. He describes this in either 'The Itchen Navigation' or 'The Railways of Southern England: The Main Lines', I forget which. My copies are in the loft at the moment but I'll try and look them out at some point.
@sightscreen66
@sightscreen66 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, following up on your link to the Hants Field Club article by Edwin Course, I suspect that piece contains pretty much what was in the above books anyway.
@mileshigh1321
@mileshigh1321 3 жыл бұрын
History that should not be forgotten! I hope you get to talk to the construction company who worked on the tunnel in 2010, they might have some interesting pics or vids! Thanks!
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Miles. We have a man on it, sadly not quick enough for this video, but perhaps for part two.
@TKevinBlanc
@TKevinBlanc 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in the U.S. and watch both your channel and Martin Zero's channel religiously. Why is that? :0)
@stevejordan2840
@stevejordan2840 3 жыл бұрын
Me too and I don't know why either.
@sueweston502
@sueweston502 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video, I'm especially interested in this one because it would have been quite close to the Portsmouth to Arundel route (my local canal). This one was started much earlier but the issues with poor workmanship& materials sound eerily familiar!
@More-Space-In-Ear
@More-Space-In-Ear 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve followed you and Rebecca on quite a few journeys where you’ve searched and found old railway tunnels etc. If I knew you both were down here I would of bought you a coffee, in between the civic bell 😂😊
@HenrysAdventures
@HenrysAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I've been through Southampton Tunnel many times but never knew there was a canal tunnel below!
@robinoconnor1203
@robinoconnor1203 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a strange coincidence, last night I was looking at yacht moorings on the Ichen River and how far it was navigable. Up popped a website for this very canal hmmm.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Haha brilliant
@stuffanthings
@stuffanthings 3 жыл бұрын
Have you visited the old station near bath where the Farleigh down ammo store tunnel is? Not sure about access currently but would be worth seeing
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's just been blocked up!
@jackmartinleith
@jackmartinleith 3 жыл бұрын
It's blocked up at the top, at Monkton Farleigh end. The areas beyond are owned by Restore, a secure document storage company. From what I've read online, every time the trackside entrance is sealed, it soon gets unsealed. Plenty of videos and photos online (good example: www.theurbanexplorer.co.uk/farleigh-down-tunnel-wiltshire/). BTW, there was never a station here; just transfer sidings. The building with the corrugated iron roof is still intact, as far as I know.
@dannyjwms
@dannyjwms 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, as a Sotonian I had no idea an attempted canal tunnel predated the railway one, will have to take a look myself. Feel I should point out the Street View didn't show The Star but an old bank building (I believe it was Lloyds). The Star is just a few metres south. Brilliant video though, and your channel is fascinating 😊
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Daniel.
@loganhowlett9802
@loganhowlett9802 2 жыл бұрын
4:16 Just on the left there are stairs going a long way down under the ground. They have been there for decades. I reckon they are the original escape steps from the building of the tunnel. They are behind closed doors but you can get it.
@AlisonBryen
@AlisonBryen 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning the Midlands as a separate entity from "The North"👍🏻
@hellotherekindsir1137
@hellotherekindsir1137 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how I pass through the train tunnel nearly every day and I never knew there was an abandoned canal right below my feet in the tunnel
@captainkirk1
@captainkirk1 3 жыл бұрын
My town has a underground train tunnel that was for transporting coal to the canal. Dont think many know about it. Don't think its possible to get in but I read a little information on it.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
What town is that Kirk?
@captainkirk1
@captainkirk1 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick leigh near Manchester.
@captainkirk1
@captainkirk1 3 жыл бұрын
www.leigh-lancashire.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4565.0;attach=5163;image
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Thank you
@captainkirk1
@captainkirk1 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick no worries mate 👍
@peterbradburn9115
@peterbradburn9115 3 жыл бұрын
Fasvinating
@eastmoors
@eastmoors 3 жыл бұрын
I have a copy of a report by Dr Course of Southampton University, written in 1976, which includes a couple of black and white shots of the tunnel interior and a cross sectional diagram showing the level of silting encountered.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed as per the report I linked in the description?
@eastmoors
@eastmoors 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick Ah, I didn't clock the 'show more 'button!
@johnorchard4
@johnorchard4 3 жыл бұрын
King Edward VI school was founded and named for Edward VI (the sixth) - he was keen on schools because the monasteries that his father dissolved had been the providers of education. Edward, in his short reign, founded or caused to be founded a fair number of schools - including the one in Southampton which still thrives today!
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing John
@iankemp1131
@iankemp1131 3 жыл бұрын
Two of the shortest captions I've ever seen at 2:37 and 6:10 as corrections. But for 2:37 the original was correct; Southampton was a town at the time, not a city, and remained so until 1964. As a Pompey boy I have to rub it in that we got city status earlier, in 1926. Portsmouth's own canal was partly converted into the railway, west of Fratton.
@cycklist
@cycklist 3 жыл бұрын
Palmerston is pronounced PARmer-stn, like the victorian prime minister.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, can't work out why my brain can't get that out of my mouth!
@davidknowles3459
@davidknowles3459 3 жыл бұрын
Back in 1980,British Rail Engineering relined the Railway Tunnel.They found a part of the tunnel.It lay at an acute angle across the BR line.Not above as your video suggests.I remember seeing in the Southern Evening Echo Newspaper,a picture of engineers walking a short piece of the canal.It still had water in it and the brickwork ,at that point was still good.After that they sealed the Canal tunnel off again.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware we suggested the Canal was above the railway? Most certainly below.
@davidknowles3459
@davidknowles3459 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick Yes,my error!
@oliverghunter
@oliverghunter Жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick I think it could have been your map - your green canal line goes over the top of the red rail tunnel. You stated it correctly in all the audio though.
@paulmessis1985
@paulmessis1985 3 жыл бұрын
you've gotta do a Wey and Arun or Portsmouth and Arundel canal video.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Assurances its on the list
@fhmvm
@fhmvm 3 жыл бұрын
at 05:12 on the right behind the tree by the corner of the building, I think there's a bricked up entrance. didn't seem to mention that
@christophernoble6810
@christophernoble6810 3 жыл бұрын
I remember the work being carried out to the tunnel in the 80s, which was due to the containers on the freights scraping the side walls! No idea why it was necessary to carry out more works nearly thirty years later. Don’t think the containers got any bigger over time.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Apparently they did!
@AndyCreepy27
@AndyCreepy27 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of goods now come in what are known as 'high cube' containers, which are 9ft 6in tall. The work in 2010 saw the tracks through the tunnel lowered to allow these containers to be carried using normal wagons, rather than the low deck variety that had to be used before.
@therespectedlex9794
@therespectedlex9794 3 ай бұрын
I'm intrigued by the Southampton civic centre, near the tunnel, at the start. It's sort of classical, but minimal, built 1929 to 1939. Also, surprised that the original Edward VI school had 2 incidents of subsidence you say - '1920 and 1975'. Sounds funny that.
@gbentley8176
@gbentley8176 18 күн бұрын
He meant the BBC building. King Edward VI School relocated to Hill Lane just before WW2. Strange he called it K.Edward the FOURTH!! The remaining medaeval building housing the School is the Registry Office in French St.
@therespectedlex9794
@therespectedlex9794 18 күн бұрын
@@gbentley8176 Right, yes, so the original school stood on the other side of the road to where the civic centre (Sea City Museum) now is, on Havelock Road. .
@brianfulford6379
@brianfulford6379 3 жыл бұрын
MY mother told us kids .when she was a child ...she was born near the KINGLAND SQUARE in 1906 so in 1915 or so part of the train tunnel collapsed ... she never ever knew about a 2nd tunnel .but it must be in the town record some where .I would love to know about it ..thanks ..
@davie941
@davie941 3 жыл бұрын
hey paul and rebecca , real cool video , was real interesting , would love to find out how much is still there :)
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Likewise Davie
@angelsone-five7912
@angelsone-five7912 3 жыл бұрын
How do we find the answer to questions you posed at the end before being belled out?
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Haha.... Noooooobody knows.
@sepgorut2492
@sepgorut2492 3 жыл бұрын
Funny, some of my ancesters were living in Southampton at that time.. as _brickmakers!_
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
That's brilliant. Really love that tangible history
@steveprabhu9846
@steveprabhu9846 3 жыл бұрын
There’s not a lot of canal here. Still water is a necessity for life, that’s why almost all city have been founded close to a river. To drink of course but especially for transportation. Since river flow in a direction, Montreal has mostly all factory, and goods was send to Quebec City, making the way back more easier with an empty boat. Exemple Molson beer (another necessity of life lolilol) where you can find a little boat on the sticker.
@calxtra5361
@calxtra5361 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul I live on Lower Canal Walk in Southampton the no thru road from Briton Street down to the bowling green .. Do you have any information or photographs of the area ??
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly not a lot that we have found. Have a look at the link in the description that shows a few.
@andrewallen9993
@andrewallen9993 3 жыл бұрын
The Luftwaffe blew Southamptons industry to dust in the war and it never rdvovered.
@MF-qm6zh
@MF-qm6zh 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a little bit out of area so please indulge me on this. But you can see the economic effect of having a canal elsewhere by comparing two towns in Yorkshire. Selby (an old Abby town) has a canal linking the Rivers Aire and Ouse, it made Selby a rich little town, they built a Georgian crescent like Bath to show the wealth. Then the Aire and Calder canal company dug a long straight canal to Goole, making it easier to get to Hull compared to using the windy Aire between Ferrybridge and the Selby canal. Selby ended up losing importance and despite the railway also getting to Selby before it got to Goole, Goole has the bigger docks that still work to this day. Small point about the ads Paul, not complaining about them, I understand why they are there and don’t skip them. But does KZbin allow you to adjust the timing at all? They both started whilst you were mid sentence, little bit frustrating..
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Tricky as you say there is goo reason for the midrolls. We do have the option to move them to a suitable place which is easy and I actually thought I had them spot on. Back to the drawing board. 🤦
@SotonCueMan
@SotonCueMan 5 ай бұрын
1.5 minutes in, that wasn’t The Star hotel, it was the old Lloyds bank!
@colinvincent6599
@colinvincent6599 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this offers any further info but has a few pics www.hantsfieldclub.org.uk/publications/hampshirestudies/digital/1970s/vol33/Course.pdf
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of the script came from that as per the description of the video. The pictures there are amazing.
@Pjs75
@Pjs75 3 жыл бұрын
The same failed tunnel was mentioned in a BBC website article last updated in 2009. Viz news.bbc.co.uk/local/hampshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8383000/8383071.stm there is a failed link to a (now) non existent video. This is primarily about works to increase height of the railway tunnel, but refers to the canal tunnel being partly dug but abandoned in 1808.
@neilbain8736
@neilbain8736 3 жыл бұрын
Another piece of quality research. ( Davids Attenborough and Bellamy- I never thought of that :) Is that an actual photo of the brickwork taken in 1975? Given that and the recent civil engineering intrusions, any civil engineer with a hard hat, a curiosity and an urge to explore would have done just that. It would be almost silly not to. Can't wait for the next parts!
@davidcutts2650
@davidcutts2650 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting in that the rail tunnel engineers didn’t look into somehow use it if already built?
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Yup good point, I think I read that they did, but it was in such a bad way they had to avoid as much as possible.
@polyvg
@polyvg Ай бұрын
Had never realised the Itchen was supposed to go to London. Acquainted with the Itchen Navigation through Winchester's water meadows, but had not considered it going much further. Do you have any idea what router was planned?
@wilsonbrownofficial2828
@wilsonbrownofficial2828 11 ай бұрын
Intriguing, I’m from Southampton
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 11 ай бұрын
Hello Southampton
@richardswinson4381
@richardswinson4381 3 жыл бұрын
Have you investigated the Andover canal? J Spaul has written a book about it. There is a copy in Andover library. I did a little bit of research on the construction of Salisbury canal. Some parts of it still exist.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly what exists north of Romsey is mostly on private land.
@kenlowe3673
@kenlowe3673 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Back in the 1970s / 80s, there was still a relic of the old canal in Southampton City Centre, near a road called Canal Walk, (which is still there). There were some old mooring rings set in some steps at the back of a factory which has since been demolished. I saw a picture of them in a book and went and found them sometime in the late 70s. I looked again more recently and they're unfortunately no longer there, (or not visible). See sotonopedia.wikidot.com/page-browse:canal-southampton-salisbury
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Ken
@hanskniezand2049
@hanskniezand2049 3 жыл бұрын
Informative as always. Who is @whitewickv?
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Follow on Twitter and all shall be revealed
@baz6128
@baz6128 3 жыл бұрын
Ok... its a cliffhangar... so when do I get to see this tunnel? I need to see it!
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
Check of the links in the description, there are a few pics I could not show due to copyright
@2007cjtj
@2007cjtj 3 жыл бұрын
I’m guessing it’s going to link the bbc building to the school
@cjeam9199
@cjeam9199 3 жыл бұрын
tracy fenton 1) boo. 2) they weren’t there at the same time.
@harveysmith100
@harveysmith100 3 жыл бұрын
If the canal had been completed, we never would have had the Wey and Arun Canal so in some ways I am pleased.
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