"Soviet Antizionism and Contemporary Left Antisemitism"

[@dominicrooney5638]

Fantastic research and presentation, really digging up the pernicious roots of leftist antisemitism, much needed.

[@TikvahUganda]

Attacking Jewish nationhood and splitting "good Jews" from "bad Jews" is routine in their playbook.

[@officialzoboomoofoo1767]

Brilliant presentation, I learned a lot! On ideas from the Protocols influencing the 20th and 21st century "Left": Norman Cohn mentions how the Protocols plagiarized an anti-Bonapartist, left wing author and changed the target from emperors to jews. Also, Marcel Stoetzler has discussed how followers of H. Saint-Simon and C. Fourier became preoccupied with anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.

[@harrison9074]

Amazing best antisemitism presentation I have seeen

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

I live in part of Minneapolis where Jewish exiles from the USSR settled. They live two blocks from me. I heard Russian almost every day.

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

I lived in Europe for many years. The only time I as an American encountered xenophobia was in 1986 in communist East Germany. I think this was common in the Soviet sphere. It was unknown in West Germany - at least today a white American.

[@timwilliams9003]

the lecturer missed one point re the cartoon of the Jewish doctor unmasked. The masked face is that of Trotsky, a Jew and an enemy of Stalin.

[@johndavis2399]

It's always a bad idea everywhere to mix religion and politics.

[@atidfelixcastillo-najerala6891]

In the Middle East, religion is politics

[@bereldovlerner5557]

What's your point? The Jews are a people, a nation, not just a religion.

[@dustin9132]

@@bereldovlerner5557 It would be accurate to describe the "the Jews" or "the Jewish people" as a people / as a nation, if the context is historical - the Biblical times. But in 2023 (as well as in 1948), it cannot be legitimately argued that Jews - all Jews everywhere, are "a people" or "a nation." The Jews in Israel are, of course. But a people/nation are both, by definition, collective entities, and imply multiple ties that bind, including, and most importantly: geological collective existence. RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION: "All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development." This concept emerged in the context of colonies and satellites breaking free from the colonial power that ruled over them, or a territory seceding from the main: • USA independence from GBR • VT secession from NY • WV secession from VA • former Soviet states becoming independent. Self-determination does not include the right to colonize. Of the hundreds of ethnicities and sub-groups, etc that exist, none have asserted a right to establish themselves in territory which they do not already inhabit. There are also no other examples in history or the present of a people, who are dispersed throughout the world and not actually existing as a people, insisting they are a people. Nor has there ever been a group claiming to be a people but cannot explain why. "Polling of Jewish people was taken on the identity of what determined a Jewish person. Here is the breakdown: 23% considered themselves Jewish because of birth; 13% said you are Jewish if you are a citizen in Israel or observe the Jewish faith; 11% said if you are raised Jewish; 19% said born of a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism; 12% said born of a Jewish mother or father; and 9% could not define a Jew." (Friends of Israel) Pew Research Center has shown similar findings. Respondents were American Jews, who represent half of the global Jewish population. So what exactly are the ties that bind? To be clear, they have the right to call themselves a people or a nation if they want to. But with regards to international law, or drawing comparisons with other groups, Jews, collectively are not "a people" nor "a nation." The founders of Israel were driven by a desire to create a state for European and Russian Jews who were wrongly rejected, expelled, or otherwise unwelcome in the place where they were born, despite being just like everyone else there. So to that extent, the creation of a Jewish state was a understandable endeavor. The only problem was that they created their state in a place where other people already lived. And the way it played out actually denied those people their right to self-determination. No one's hands were clean in this. The British wrongly gave the Zionists that land because they wanted to get rid of their Jews but didn't want to go the Hitler route. And when the UN General Assembly voted in favor of the 1948 Partition Plan, the main reason why the vast majority of member states voted YES was because the Allies were trying to close displaced persons camps from WW2 and there were A LOT of Jewish refugees who needed to be resettled. Had the Partition Plan failed in the UNGA, members would have been "forced" to take in those Jewish refugees. It also enabled them to expel any Jews they currently had and to enact or maintain existing restrictions/bans on Jewish immigration - because Israel meant they had somewhere else to go. The founders of Israel didn't expect the second thing. Nearly 1 million Jews living throughout the Middle East were expelled from their homes over the next decade. Some went to the US but most went to Israel because it claimed to be the "nation state of the Jewish people" and the Law of Return is based on an ancestry. But the founders of Israel, and their first prime minister specifically, viewed all Middle Eastern people as "primitive" animals and didn't want them in Israel. Because all white people originated in the Middle East, Ben-Gurion understood Europeans to be superior human beings because they were literally "more evolved" (in his view). That was why they hated Arabs. The Middle East was basically 100+ years behind in terms of socio-cultural/political/economic development. That's why they could not share a society with the Arab Palestinians. They didn't see them as human beings. They saw them as native savages or neanderthals. Non-white Jews were forced to live on the fringes of Israeli society for decades. The white Jews didn't come to accept them until they realized they had no choice. Jews from Europe rarely had more than 3 children while those from the Middle East had at least five, and often 7 or more. Ben-Gurion tried to counter this by directing hospitals to tell new mothers that their infants had died (and the state would get rid of them) but that was unsustainable. Now obviously the people who live in Israel today are a people, and a nation. I am not suggesting that Israel needs to be "destroyed" or that the Jews who live there today need to leave.

[@yepisyeniturkiye]

Zionism explicitly requires an ethnostate. That's why antizionism is different to antisemitism and is necessary. I would oppose any sort of expulsion, relocation etc of current Israeli population. But the expansion should stop, water policy should be fixed. even the collection of rainwater is illegal for Palestinians. And (this is the bit that makes me an antizionist) negotiations should start for a one state solution where Palestinians can be equal citizens. Idk man. I don't think this coming from the protocols of senior citizens of zion

[@dustin9132]

I've seen a lady do the same thing with product logos and how signs of the devil are hidden in them. This lady is just as crazy. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@atidfelixcastillo-najerala6891]

I am a Zionist. The expansion in the West bank is totally antisionist. An ethnoestate, is called " nation state". Remember, in Israel we have essay more ethnic pluralism than in most European countries

[@bereldovlerner5557]

I guess you haven't noticed that Hamas, which is dedicated to killing Jews and setting up an Islamist regime in all of "Palestine", is the most popular movement among the Palestinians. Welcome to the Middle East! Your dream would result in a truly genocidal civil war, at the end of which, if there are any Jews left, people would say, "well, it looks like those Jews really did need a state of their own after all".

[@bereldovlerner5557]

By the way - so kind of you not to explicitly demand the ethnic cleansing of 6 million Jews from their homeland! You are a true humanitarian!

[@yepisyeniturkiye]

fair enough. I think you and I would probably reach an agreement on this if I guessed your overall position correctly.@@atidfelixcastillo-najerala6891