As an engineer that often feels pressure from managers... I frequently reach back to Challenger and Columbia to remember my motivations for pushing back. God bless those men and women.
@insaneapples155910 жыл бұрын
The STS program was a death trap. It's a miracle more astronauts weren't killed.
@vccancerkill50476 жыл бұрын
Okay whatever
@1224chrisng6 жыл бұрын
insaneapples sadly, I don't think SLS will be any different
@Crlarl6 жыл бұрын
Random Guy I think it will be: I don't think it will launch more than twice.
@evab.62406 жыл бұрын
I wish managers would be engineers, not economists and other all-sorts. It would be way easier to work with them and maybe they would actually for once understand how things function haha.
@lovespeppers7 жыл бұрын
Watching the astronauts happy and excited is painful because I'm watching them knowing exactly what happens. It's just so tragic. They had no clue.
@LS-Moto6 жыл бұрын
Molly Baker Its like you wanna go back in time to tell them not to board. May they rest in peace
@darrinf.97016 жыл бұрын
I think it was best they never knew what happened. They were happy for the last few minutes of life.
@notthefather39196 жыл бұрын
Darrin F. Not really. They likely spent their last minutes aware of what was happening.
@SouthPawGirlie6 жыл бұрын
Molly Baker What horrified me was they have a documentary of the families of the victims on ground and their reactions were unimaginable as they watched in horror when it exploded. So sad..
@Mrbfgray6 жыл бұрын
Molly Baker Hard to believe 'they had no clue', rockets were always extremely risky biz and they should have been well aware of that.
@danm43208 жыл бұрын
Managers telling engineers how to do their jobs. Could not get worse than that.
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-6 жыл бұрын
There is always an engineer saying it won't work. If we left it up to the engineers to give the green light, nothing would get done.
@Premjeras6 жыл бұрын
you sure buddy?
@sushitime86226 жыл бұрын
Its almost as bad as the USSR, with a dash of the later Roman Empire. And it is only getting worse.
@lasksi6 жыл бұрын
Listen to this genius (David S.) and you will have have more fatal launches
@bry1176 жыл бұрын
this is pretty typical
@fifiladu26592 жыл бұрын
I was one of those teachers that was showing this exciting mission to my classroom of elementary students. I felt so conscious-smitten that I allowed them to witness this emotionally overwhelming and heartbreaking tragedy, live and unfiltered. What a horrific day.
@robbhahn88972 жыл бұрын
Kids are tough, they can deal with it... Didn't they?
@fifiladu26592 жыл бұрын
@@robbhahn8897 It was a tough day. It hurt to see so many of them in tears.
@susannpatton28932 жыл бұрын
We watched it live and in real time
@raygreen2572 жыл бұрын
@@susannpatton2893 sure did think a lot of schools show it
@susannpatton28932 жыл бұрын
@@raygreen257 I think so as well, there was a teacher going, a civilan - regular person, she was the 1st one ever so yes, I believe many schools had students viewing. We didn't get any counseling or safe place to go to. We got President Regan and a speech televised for the Nation
@dejihuam3 жыл бұрын
There’s a reason “it’s not rocket science” is a phrase. When you’re dealing with such delicate technology, everything matters. Every little detail is important. If one thing goes wrong: the entire system fails.
@x8evelyn8x2 жыл бұрын
Yea.
@DavidSmith-ki2we2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly right. I remember watching this as a teen n it was unbelievable.
@angi50962 жыл бұрын
No more
@angi50962 жыл бұрын
Stern sucks
@aa6972 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right.
@everythingfangirl45328 жыл бұрын
Watching the beginning of this it's so unsettling, since you know what's going to happen. I was so tense up until the explosion, just waiting.
@jennasample91487 жыл бұрын
Everything Fangirl me too I felt my heart racing
@shammydammy26106 жыл бұрын
My stomach sinks everytime I hear "Go with throttle up."
@MellyMae446 жыл бұрын
I probably haven't seen this from the beginning since back then when I saw it live home from school with the flu. I just cried now like I did then. So sad.
@brittinijoyo23426 жыл бұрын
It makes my heart sink as well. It's so sad. 💔
@RandomStuffMego6 жыл бұрын
My heart was about to explode
@kindregardless7 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when the people who aren't risking their lives make the decisions. I bet a few of those managers would have taken a better look if they had to climb aboard.
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
"NEVER TRUST A COOK WHO WON'T EAT THEIR OWN FOOD". It's THAT simple. EX: our commander in chief should ALWAYS lead the troops into battle. (That's why we have a spare: Vice President!)
@mitchsal29885 жыл бұрын
hiccup1001 no one is commenting with the intent of insensitivity. We all understand the severity/tragedy-- innocent people died. The point is to call out the dangers of (managerial driven) agendas. Sure, accidents happen, but when said accidents are preventable, and even cautioned against by engineers who have a far better understanding of the issue at hand, yet overturned by rather foolish decision making, clearly someone is at fault. In this case, it's those who overlooked the warning and approved the launch, anyways. Harsh, but when lives have been lost, it's the reality.
@RedDragon-og8wn4 жыл бұрын
@@hiccup1001 it was 100% management's fault they were told it would fail by engineers. But they chose to launch anyways.
@BonoboSapiens3 жыл бұрын
@@hiccup1001 do you have any braincells that allow you to operate the gray matter you are supposed to have on top of your shoulders?
@bluetickbeagles1163 жыл бұрын
Yep!! 💯 true!
@foofung99616 жыл бұрын
The astronauts being so happy and excited is heartbreaking :/
@Matches7716 жыл бұрын
Of course they were. They thought, they were going home.
@maazkalim5 жыл бұрын
@Mat Beck Spirituality? Or are you specifically referring to the Columbia crew?
@TimothyDMurry5 жыл бұрын
@@maazkalim Columbia crew
@knightscroftsquire-muldoon5 жыл бұрын
There's a video of Barbara Morgan the backup teacher who lost to McAuliffe, watching Challanger ascending and cheering her on. In McAuliffe's honor Barbara passed many tests and convinced NASA to finally let her go up.
@UNcommonSenseAUS3 жыл бұрын
Theyre all still alive stupid. Well all but one..
@noname-qo4wg Жыл бұрын
The astronauts that willingly got on the next flight are truly some of the bravest humans ever.
@David-cv1se6 ай бұрын
AstroNots 👍
@carltonwalton98193 ай бұрын
@@David-cv1se AstroNuts
@MrTee-hw7mp2 жыл бұрын
Christa’s poor parents. That footage of them staring up at the exploded craft is still heartbreaking. I can’t imagine what they must have been feeling as it slowly dawned upon them what just happened.
@kennethestes47412 жыл бұрын
Kinda like watching your kitten get run over
@geedee12642 жыл бұрын
Your child being run over
@Nigelsmom2136 Жыл бұрын
Her husband and both their children were there as well. I can't even begin to imagine.
@butlerbees6639 Жыл бұрын
@@kennethestes4741dude what?
@jamesrobert410611 ай бұрын
The worst thing is people assuming they died instantly as the booster failed causing the assembly to explode. The astronauts in reality had 2m40s of free falling at 207mph before being instantly obliterated as it hit the water.
@marymicrogram91947 жыл бұрын
So these weren't random "accidents" that couldn't be avoided; they were the result of "better sorry than safe" policies. Typical. It's easy to throw caution to the wind when it's not YOU up there in the shuttle.
@kendalekyle75276 жыл бұрын
Mary Microgram Soo true
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN "ACCIDENT". JUST CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE. And no accountability. That's why NASA killed astronauts over and over and over and over. ZILLIONS of negligent acts.
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
YESTERDAY, I was reading about Challenger and was stunned to find Christa McAuliffe is buried in Concord NH... as I was getting ready to go to an afternoon music show in... Concord NH! "If the cemetery isn't so far, I'm going to drive over and smoke some pot on her grave and pay tribute to her, MURDERED BY CROOKED GOVT." INSANELY, her grave was directly across the street from where I was headed!!! Uncanny! It was spiritual (and next to it was a grave with a large statue of jesus on the cross... BEING MURDERED BY CROOKED GOVT). (!!!!) I wept a bunch of times. Just Christa and I hanging out. (Heck, the only reason she was ON that death trap was Crooked Govt: it was a PR stunt to trick the public to support spending money on space rather than education (!) or repaving roads!!) (Evil govt is killing us all, a thousand different ways. Last week, for instance, we found out the 20 people in that NY limo, all dead, DIED because the govt KNEW the intersection was a death trap and didn't solve the problem. SAME PATTERN EVERY TIME: govt or big biz CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.)
@veryhappyboi69446 жыл бұрын
Reagan argued with NASA about Challenger. NASA didn’t want to do it, saying it was unsafe. But Reagan overruled it and this happened. Also there was a miscalculation in the engine. I did research and you didn’t. 😀
@MrBruh-pf8nd6 жыл бұрын
@@veryhappyboi6944 What's your source? :D
@allanbaker72478 жыл бұрын
I Iove these mini docs. I've watched so many! Very well made
@msmarisol146 жыл бұрын
They're amazing. We need more of this on MSM.
@maazkalim5 жыл бұрын
They're merely an half-an-hour show you otherwise watch on TV. Nothing different.
@TheKonga885 жыл бұрын
Why do you like dwarf doctors? 🐸🐸🐵😀😀😀
@paulgernandt66235 жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-KB 0
@justsomeamerican52835 жыл бұрын
I like how you are talking about mini documentaries and being happy about them while watching a video that has several people being obliterated by an explosion that occurred in the rocket
@SweetasSugar426 жыл бұрын
In my history book instead of showing a photo of challenger exploding, it showed the faces of teenagers sitting in a high school who watched the launch. It shook me to the core, as I had never thought of it from my own point of a view, as a teenager sitting in class watching historic events happen live. Heartbreaking.
@Faceghost8819772 жыл бұрын
It was middle school for me, just puzzled me.
@zurirobinson2749 Жыл бұрын
My mom was one of those kids. She went to the Bronx High School for the Sciences in New York, so the student body was generally very excited about the launch because a significant number wanted to be astronauts. She told me that when the shuttle exploded, she sat there in stunned silence for about 20 minutes as several students around her started to cry. Nothing else got done that day, as even the teachers had no idea what to do, and a sizeable number of students just cut the rest of their classes that day. My mom had a younger friend from junior high (then 13 or 14) who'd wanted to be an astronaut since she was little- after that day she never mentioned it again. That woman is now 50 years old (my mom would be 53) and still refuses to talk about the disaster or her childhood dream.
@tiffanybowe2416 Жыл бұрын
I was watching it in elementary school live on TV.
@Salamialayksuwp2 жыл бұрын
1:04 that guy's reaction is definitely how everyone felt watching this
@Oscarfl00fz2 жыл бұрын
True
@Hail543363 ай бұрын
Make this one into a meme
@whywelovefilm70793 жыл бұрын
The silence when the Crew in Mission Control first see the explosion. Look at there faces. Utter shock…
@2Phaktz9 жыл бұрын
My parents had Kennedy and I had this...my entire 4th grade class was assembled to see this gross negligence being carried out which lead to the deaths some pretty talented people, including one of my heroes, Ronald McNair.
@MatthewAGilbert8 жыл бұрын
I was in 6th grade; we weren't watching it live, but heard about it almost immediately. I was going to give a speech about Christa McAuliffe a day or two later. This still affects me very deeply.
@CorbCorbin6 жыл бұрын
Same. I was in class, and the teacher froze up when it happened, like it couldn't be true. She just stood there, for quite awhile, before the feed was cut(by the school), and she snapped out of it and left the room. Many of the kids still didn't realize what happened, and were talking about it. I finally said, "Hey! The shuttle exploded, those people are dead." Kids were crying, and wanted to go home, looking back, it was very surreal.
@beeeeans3116 жыл бұрын
And I have a bunch of mass shootings, climate change, and a political mess(I live in America)
@SuAva6 жыл бұрын
That has been for all ages.
@purpleflametarot396 жыл бұрын
RetroGuy76 - I remember both, as well as 9/11. Sad times in our history.
@nytimes10 жыл бұрын
Looking back at Challenger and Columbia, and what they tell us about the nature of calamity.
@christianbuczko14817 жыл бұрын
To advance, you have to take risks, that's how you learn. I watched challenger blow up on TV, and remember those 72seconds very clearly. I understood exactly what happened even at age 11, and would still have got on a shuttle given the opportunity.
@gothivore2777 жыл бұрын
The New York Times hi I was wondering if you guys ever did a story on the pepcon disaster?
@jenzim36397 жыл бұрын
my first memory is this...............
@purpleflametarot396 жыл бұрын
Christian Buczko - That was an unacceptable risk with KNOWN danger. Totally preventable. :'( I live in Florida and we walked outside at work to watch, and saw it happen.
@tag180rotax6 жыл бұрын
NASA, Need Another Seven Astronauts
@rakaman276 жыл бұрын
Larry Mulloy should have gone to jail for this thing. He really should have.
@itssk10926 жыл бұрын
agreed. he wasn't concerned because he wasn't in the shuttle.
@roshieifra6 жыл бұрын
You could say the same about Linda hamm.
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
MOST of them were clearly guilty of MANSLAUGHTER. That's why the entire press REFUSED to use that word. The Establishment protects The Establishment. They are a threat to all public safety.
@datboibarlos67666 жыл бұрын
Kelleymarie Jones Guaranteed.
@jtn1915 жыл бұрын
@@kelleymariejones6388 you can't impeach an organization 🤦♂️
@MansSuperPower4 жыл бұрын
So, no one has ever gone to jail for this? 🤦🏾♂️.
@severetiredamage67543 жыл бұрын
They are probably paying in other ways.
@AccidentallyOnPurpose3 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's possible because it's not exactly one person's fault. Yes, there are major players, but it was a huge systemic problem.
“The love of money is the root of all evil.” It’s not the money that is evil. It’s the love of it, the “importance of it”, and the constant desire to make it, that creates evil. In the case of NASA, it was the ravenous desire to get these payloads out to space as quickly as they could, That greed cost 14 human lives between Challenger and Columbia. “Management” didn’t want to delay to make things right because it ate away at their profits AND their egos. They destroyed not only 14 astronauts lives but hundreds of lives of their families and loved ones. “The love of money is the root of all evil.”
@jcast39atmsn10 жыл бұрын
The kicker is that its generally assumed that the astronauts didn't die from the explosion but rather from impact. The crew cabin remained intact when it exploded leading for the astronauts to die when it impacted the ocean.
@divineperigrinefalcon18917 жыл бұрын
Jackson Games They were vaporized, get real!
@cynthialyman26367 жыл бұрын
Research the recovery operation and save the insults.
@trecooledge13266 жыл бұрын
jcast39 this is the main thing that disturbs me. NASA engineered the cockpit to hold it's integrity if there an explosion. I don't understand why NASA didn't have parachutes engineered to the structure of the cockpit that would deploy if there's structure separation. Why were there no parachutes?
@docpossum24606 жыл бұрын
Parachutes are heavy, and fuel is money.
@arianebolt15756 жыл бұрын
Whether the cabin actually lost pressure, or how quickly, remains disputed.
@MatthewAGilbert8 жыл бұрын
I will be showing this tomorrow in my Organizational Behavior class tomorrow at the American University in the Emirates (in Dubai, UAE). I will then ask my students five questions about the culture of NASA and how poor decision making resulted in the death of the Challenger astronauts (and later the Columbia astronauts). 30 years later and this still makes me get teary-eyed. Thank you for this thoughtful and thorough documentary that is the perfect length!
@lettyguerra3716 жыл бұрын
Matthew A. Gilbert , the culture of NASA is in all organizations. Even the mom and pop restaurant that decides to serve older past the sell by date food, and give people food poisoning just because they don't want to throw out food and waste money. Cost drives everything!
@Kalumbatsch6 жыл бұрын
+Matthew A. Gilbert Will you ask your students five questions about the pros and cons of living under a dictatorship?
@Kalumbatsch6 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should just think about the questions, don't want to see you arrested :)
@just_jon966 жыл бұрын
Wow my management class used this example this semester too! Only it was a case study about a racing car and at the end it was revealed that it was using the same number values in the Challenger case.
@xyzsame40816 жыл бұрын
Systemic riks in complex organizations with HIGH risks - Not only Challenger or Columbia launches. Further examples: Fukushima or Three Mile Island. Then of course Tchernobyl. or Windscale with a luckier ending. Those who know best would have ignored the engineers but the winner of the Nobel Prize Lord Cockroft continued to have objections. The chimney with the filters that were added later looked like a minarett - the locals coined the term Cockroft's folly for them. (They did not know that material for a nuclear bomb was to be produced there). That "folly" saved the day when the fire of which enineers had warned actually broke out. And then of course several incidents in German nuclear power plants and in Sweden. Nothing really bad happened, but they show the potential of how human "ingenuity "and hierarchy !! and being unaware of systemic risks effortlessly neuter whole handbooks on procedures and safety rules.
@bull12346 жыл бұрын
"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong". Murphy's law
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
"Anything that humans do, they will corrupt" - Confuscius
@garcsstuff67345 жыл бұрын
It applies to everything
@Defender784 жыл бұрын
Linda Ham's Law
@seanholm89574 жыл бұрын
@@RishuKumar-je9ty >:/
@RishuKumar-je9ty4 жыл бұрын
@@seanholm8957 I am not aware of that 😕
@Bigmommafluffy3 жыл бұрын
I watched this in school. I was in second grade. Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception. We were so excited to watch it. Our school prepped us all week. We did space projects, and presentations. When our teacher wheeled the television in, we were so happy to be able to watch it. When the shuttle exploded, I could hear a loud gasp from my class, and the others around us. Our teach jumped up so fast to turn the TV off. Our principal came on the loudspeaker to say something, but I don't remember what it was.
@SaritaLovesLiving4 жыл бұрын
I actually thought of this as I watched the Space X launch. I felt so much anxiety. I saw the Challenger disaster on live TV in third grade. That was a very traumatizing event. So I was feeling on edge for the astronauts in this launch. Thankfully it went well.
@TQM5 жыл бұрын
Never trust managers. Always listen to engineers.
@bobsingh55215 жыл бұрын
TQM 😂👍
@marimatsumoto3723 жыл бұрын
It sounds very familiar…….Boeing.
@BrazilianImperialist3 жыл бұрын
Communist sabotage
@thomasdouglas20063 жыл бұрын
Same Managers who worked at Ford and Produced the Torch Series, Pinto. 🥴🤔
@5federline3 жыл бұрын
The engineers been pressured by the managers. While the managers been pinned down by the high table or other stakeholders. It seem obvious.
@idanoreilly8 жыл бұрын
They really should have learned from the Challenger, but made the same mistake not listening to warning signs with the Columbia
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
They'd made these same mistakes MANY TIMES before the Shuttle program. EX: Apollo 1. EVERY SINGLE TIME it was CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE and MANSLAUGHTER. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Because no one was jailed.
@arianebolt15756 жыл бұрын
GrandProtectorDark Mistakes do happen. But when NASA breaks their own protocols to get a shuttle up, that’s s choice, not a mistake.
@rotor135 жыл бұрын
@@GrandProtectorDark They literally bent or broke the rules. Period. There weren't "mistakes". People were literally trying to get more information as soon as possible before they started the decent home. Because there were people requesting the photos of the tiles to see the extent. People in power literally resigned because they were the ones who made the ultimate decision and there were even more remorseful people who KNEW something was wrong. I used to build missiles and bombs for the USAF and it is ENCOURAGED to say something is wrong and stop an operation, no matter how big or small, to make sure everything and everyone is safe and secure. I've had to stop an operation of building and retrofitting 54 missiles by yelling on the shop intercom "KNOCK IT OFF OR YOU WILL BLOW THE PLACE UP" when i saw several people were not wearing grounding straps when assembling the nose cone and tail fins. I was given an Article 15 for it until i got QA and Jag involved - squadron leadership got a nice reaming from the Base Commander and Inspector General because of it. My Article 15 was literally removed from my record, and my shop was essentially off-limits to any non-essential personnel except for QA when there is running operation in the bomb-dump. Even if we were simply moving empty trailers.
@mariazapata50643 жыл бұрын
I agree with your comment 1,000%😡 This is my pain about such a great loss that people don’t listen. I think 🤔 that all the failures is some kind of a sign to stop 🛑 ✋ going up there.
@solomonaerospace59323 жыл бұрын
Columbia was not due to SRBs at all. It was due to failure of heatshield tiles on the left wing. While gross incompetence was the core cause, Challenger disaster and Columbia Disaster are in no way related in technical terms.
@meehleibfamily30704 жыл бұрын
That shot of their eyes after he said we made a grievous error is epic. You can see the pain, it’s still there.
@KH4444444444N2 жыл бұрын
It will always be there.
@gulen7398 ай бұрын
Which part?
@YukiChanSP78 ай бұрын
@@gulen739 it's @12:45
@uriahthegreat50042 жыл бұрын
The look on the mans face when it exploded is heart breaking
@angel-nv7jk3 жыл бұрын
My teacher witness this in Highschool. She talked about how traumatizing it was and that screams echoed through the auditorium when it happened. The teachers and staff scrambled to turn it off. Everyone was sent home after that. She still teared up years later when she told us the story and what it was like to witness that first hand.
@budthebud91086 жыл бұрын
Maybe the astronauts, the ones who's lives are on the line, should be in on the discussions? Just a thought.
@maazkalim5 жыл бұрын
You meant interviews?
@crocheting15 жыл бұрын
I agree. The crew was never told, not even the commander.
@justinbenoit44 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ve been trying to find out if they were even in the discussion. I guarantee that they would have been ok with taking a closer look and rescheduling the launch.
@abibnoor4 жыл бұрын
There are too many detail to overwhelm them. And in case of Columbia they were aware of the form debris hitting the wing.
@DevinEMILE2 жыл бұрын
@@abibnoor the crew was aware it had happened and that it was common. Just not how big of a deal it was
@ratboyninja9 жыл бұрын
When arrogance trumps intelligence.
@colewales93086 жыл бұрын
ratboyninja “‘Trump? You racist and anti-feminist!”’- my uncle
@Ram-lr6ud6 жыл бұрын
This comment is before trump's era. The word trump has its bad meaning from the beginning of time.
@docpossum24606 жыл бұрын
At first I thought you were talking about our president and I couldn't figure out what you meant
@docpossum24606 жыл бұрын
Get over it billy
@zubbys6 жыл бұрын
billy vandory Sigh.
@KeyLimePunk7 жыл бұрын
Every time I hear the words “Challenger, go with throttle up.”, I can’t help but think, “Please don’t got to throttle up!” Am I the only one?
@MichelleMoonMaddox6 жыл бұрын
Kellie Elder That's when I held my breath 😢
@freddyflintstoned9135 жыл бұрын
?
@crocheting15 жыл бұрын
Same. I'm glad to not hear Mike Smith say "Uh oh" a split second before it fell apart.
@jeffcarroll1990shock5 жыл бұрын
Screaming at the dead won't save the living.
@pandawan44 жыл бұрын
He says "Challenger, go at throttle up" which is meant to say challenger is steady at throttle up or all is okay at that point
@jonholmes65512 жыл бұрын
Right after the explosion an engineer was awakend by several phones ringing and pagers as his daughter described it. Poor guy immediately had tears streaming down his beard all the way to work. I'm sure his heart was very heavy from that day forward. More families than you realize are affected by one loss.... this was devastating to say the least.
@glpdrum3 жыл бұрын
A family friend had a large ranch in upper east Texas and heard the Columbia debris falling and said it sounded like a plane crash. He found what he thought was a piece of a suit or glove as well as several metal objects. His ranch was cordoned off for weeks while they searched for debris.
@leebruno768510 жыл бұрын
I still remember watching this on TV at school... so disturbing they sent us all home. Such a horrible memory, so traumatizing. :(
@johnmoreland81396 жыл бұрын
Lee Bruno I still remember my teacher screaming and scrambling to turn off the TV...
@marcjtdc6 жыл бұрын
Me too. I was in 6th grade. All my classmates were crying.
@darrinf.97016 жыл бұрын
We watched the Challenger explode on TV at school, we stayed, they sent you home. No wonder this generation is so overly sensitive.
@johnmoreland81396 жыл бұрын
Darrin F. Well yeah, totally agreed. But they were a bunch of little kids. What' do you expect.
@darrinf.97016 жыл бұрын
I was in 2nd grade
@FloppyPigeon9 жыл бұрын
RIP Challenger And The Crew, May God Be With You
@DaLULZ86 жыл бұрын
gob
@justathought9736 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't god have been with them before the explosion? He could have put out the fire then grabbed the shuttle with his giant hand and lowered it back to earth.
@alfiloide60676 жыл бұрын
There is no such a thing as god
@freddyflintstoned9135 жыл бұрын
God if it exists is a meany.
@maazkalim5 жыл бұрын
@JustAThought Bwahahaha! So true. The OP sounds no more than the lady waving the stars and stripes atop her rooftop.
@jordancao22656 жыл бұрын
Many tears were shed over this video, may the men and women who lost their lives Rest In Peace.
@jonathan80393 жыл бұрын
Everytime i hear this story i think about my grandfather (may he rest in peace) who was a worker at nasa at the time. I hope he did his best and tried everything he could to prevent this tragedy.
@jrockett733 жыл бұрын
Lockheed built the tank not NASA.
@jrockett733 жыл бұрын
Morton Thiokol built the boosters.
@ramal57083 жыл бұрын
Managers want money and results Engineer: the science, safety and perfection That's the difference
@ohreallyeliza7 жыл бұрын
I was in 2nd grade when this happened. We were watching on TV in our classroom. It was a special day all the kids were watching and I remember this happening and my teacher burst out in tears and ran out of the room. It was awful. Still makes me tear up. At least they didn't suffer.
@learo056 жыл бұрын
They did suffer, they were alive until the cockpit hit the ocean.
@docpossum24606 жыл бұрын
Some controls were activated in attempt to do something.
@justmyopinionokjustmyopini71016 жыл бұрын
Liz Bee I think that they DID suffer. I heard that they were still alive when they hit the water.
@chrisgast6 жыл бұрын
I was 1 year and a half when this happened.
@sebclot94786 жыл бұрын
Our class was part of the program, but we didn't watch the launch. On the west coast, the launch occurred before the start of the school day. We were told about it when we arrived in class.
@mouija14506 жыл бұрын
I was in elementary school when this happened. I distinctly remember my teacher being disappointed when Christa McAuliffe was announced as the teacher selected for the flight. Apparently she put her name in the hat. All that changed later. We were so excited about space as children, and then the explosion happened. The space program basically shut down overnight.
@ElliotMcDonell10 жыл бұрын
Chilling, absolutely chilling. I still remember the day it happened, Challenger, I was in kindergarten and we were all so excited about the teacher going up.
@Billy2011C6 жыл бұрын
Don't lie.
@gideonkloosterman6 жыл бұрын
Lmao liar.
@MadeInPhillylll5 жыл бұрын
How can y'all tell he's lying?
@rj-nj3uk5 жыл бұрын
Teacher going up and he was excited. He aint lying.
@yoursilly21064 жыл бұрын
U lying bra
@natalieleal45784 жыл бұрын
I love these little docs. Short, to the point and very informative.
@o_foxxyfoxxy_o3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this on tv when I was small. My dad let me stay home that day so we could watch it together. Thank God he did in hindsight. When it burst, I asked if that's normal, but I could tell by the look on his face that I just watched a bunch of people die in a fire in real time.
@HamzaSalem9 жыл бұрын
The opening scene is very spooky to watch knowing what's going to happen. Excellent reporting by the NY Times
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
The #1 WORD re these stories is "MANSLAUGHTER" --- so how do you explain the NYT never ONCE mentions the #1 fact / word in this story??
@cdex92886 жыл бұрын
Nice pfp
@boringperson-zb8vy5 жыл бұрын
@@umpygoodness2369 Because that is for a judge to declare. Not the news. It's just like a person's death. A doctor pronounces the death, not the news.
@birdsong9857 жыл бұрын
Guarantee the people that had to fly in the shuttle was not privy to that information before lift off. That is terrible all the time going on behind their backs on their life. They was not given a choice. Never trust your employer
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
HOW DOES EVERYONE NOT KNOW THE WORD "MANSLAUGHTER"??? EVERY journalist LIED, LIED, LIED to protect The Establishment as did NASA et al. APOLLO 1, CHALLENGER, COLUMBIA, and all the rest ALL PROVED INTENTIONAL MANSLAUGHTER. OVER AND OVER. BY LAW, we taxpayers are owed TRILLIONS by everyone in charge of the FAKE SPace Race. But who will stick up for us? Every person in "Law enforcement" is a criminal who serves THE ESTABLISHMENT.
@kelleymariejones63886 жыл бұрын
Think4yourself especially if your employer is part of United States government!!!!
@TransKidRevolution10 ай бұрын
Adjust your meds big guy
@JimMac237 ай бұрын
@@umpygoodness2369 Calm down. An accident is not manslaughter. Yes, bad decisions were made. But it wasn't intentional.
@Lunar_Blacksmith8 жыл бұрын
I have never cried so much during a Retro Report. I cried three times during this. That opening was so terribly sad. The people who accept pressure to ignore life threatening data not only in these missions, but other everyday situations...why can we, as humans, not take that extra moment to consider things? The extra moment that could save lives? That extra moment to stop a disaster? Those poor people who died, and those poor people responsible. Nobody wins in times like this.
@everythingfangirl45328 жыл бұрын
Katie Wahl that opening was chilling. The total absence of music
@nutsaboutnames38058 жыл бұрын
Most of the time, management doesn't know what it's like at the coal face. I'm experiencing this right now in my workplace. But in my workplace, it's the people at the coal face who get the blame if things go wrong, not management who make all the decisions.
@maggie2106 жыл бұрын
It's all about the MONEY!!!If someo e dies???Who cares....Very very sad
@shannonhondo2602 жыл бұрын
I was 10 when this happened and remember my teachers watching it and screaming, then they brought us kids into the room to watch this unfortunate bit of history being made. God Bless those that died that day
@bjrn-andrehenriksen62892 жыл бұрын
Shivers goes down my spine as he responds with: "Roger go with throttle up"
@davidhenderson34006 жыл бұрын
I watched this on TV live as it happened. I will never forget it. When it blew I did not need to be told what I happened. I knew I have just seen those people die. I started screaming as loud as I could "NO!" over and over. My mother came running to see what was going on. I just lay on the floor crying like a baby. Even now as I type this I can barely see the keyboard for the tears.
@SourKosher2 жыл бұрын
🧢
@davidhenderson34002 жыл бұрын
@@SourKosher I do not know what that blue cap emoji means but it says online that is you calling me a lair. I need you to explain just what you mean.
@boni90332 жыл бұрын
this is either a lie or dramaticized. lmao nice try
@thespankmyfrank2 жыл бұрын
@@boni9033 How so? People definitely had these reactions to the event. I wasn't alive at that point, but even I know how traumatising it was for everyone watching live. How is this NOT a real account?
@Nicoletta132 жыл бұрын
And the most heartbreaking thing is... Everyone thought t they died immediately when it exploded. but they were alive the entire time.
@gonzalo0603759 жыл бұрын
In Engineering the chances for failure are so high, that even manufacturing a flashlight without killing someone in the process is like a miracle. That's why we have procedures, our roadmap to dodge all chances of putting someone at risk unless 'The Boss Up There' wanted otherwise. Managers depend on reliable data from engineers to define the budget and schedules of any project. When data is too optimistic or not thoroughly checked, they set unrealistic deadlines, and that's how we end up with rockets blowing up, software bugs and patches, vehicle safety recalls, etc.
@JosephFabian919 жыл бұрын
gonzalo060375 It is appropriate that you brought up software bugs, because the shuttle software development team is a perfect example of low failure rate engineering done *right*. A team committed to perfect engineering, redundancy, documentation and thorough bug-hunting. Because any flaw was the result of many people's input, nobody was ever assigned blame when there was a flaw - it was considered to be a result of a flawed development process, and their organization was changed to make similar flaws impossible in the future. The result was very arguably the most perfect code ever written. The guys who wrote that software must have lost the plot when they heard about the O-ring issue being given an "ehh, it's probably nothing" response. It's exactly the type of systematic flaw that they had weeded out. I guess that's the outcome when the smart people are peons and the actual decisions are made by yes-men.
@blueflamingo19 жыл бұрын
Joseph Fabian Couldn't agree more, your comment was almost as good as the shuttle's software itself!
@Bribosome9 жыл бұрын
+Joseph Fabian what you have to keep in mind also is that quality control is crucial with the development of projects of this magnitude and precision. remember, this is a government project that vendors bid on for the projects. usually opting for the lowest qualified bidder.
@bananian7 жыл бұрын
Maybe we need better engineers, lol. I don't think any of the engineers where I work even know high school algebra.
@bfg26006 жыл бұрын
google ariane 5 failure to see what happens with bad software
@windsorongchan38366 жыл бұрын
Super unclickbaity title but an unbelievable documentary. Should have way more views than half a mil
@goodvibes18072 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad that there is nothing that can bring them back ,but just knowing how young they were is heartbreaking
@ikercompeanleroux1315 Жыл бұрын
These retro reports are something else. This documentary short is particularly powerful. It is as interesting as it is moving. My deepest congratulations to all involved.
@umaxen00486 жыл бұрын
I remember this vividly. I was listening on the car's radio as I exited I-95 and actually saw the rocket's flames during takeoff directly ahead of me, probably less than 10 miles away. I pulled the car over, got out of the car and told my parents who were with me, "look how beautiful it is". 15 to 20 seconds later, I saw a large plume of smoke and visually saw the 2 rockets flying in all directions. I immediately told my parents that the Challenger had exploded. Their initial reaction and words were, "That's impossible..." After all these years, I can still clearly see what happened.
@williamwhite3176 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best-made documentaries I have ever seen. Well done!
@SheppyPaws7 жыл бұрын
I really love these Retro Reports. I really miss the Space Shuttle Program so much...
@charlesfoster1414 жыл бұрын
Fine report from beginning to end. I was 32 years old when Challenger exploded during throttle-up. I know exactly where I was and what I was doing when the news came live on the radio. I was parking my truck in a Taco Bell parking lot on Lapalco Blvd. in New Orleans when I heard the broadcast. I ran into Taco Bell and told everyone what had just happened. Everyone was shocked.
@orlandomolina7192Ай бұрын
i still remember watching this in my 6th grade class. Our little minds were confused. Our teacher, Ms Merritt broke out in tears
@jebbie25956 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the guilt they carry? And deservedly so. So sad.
@H20fanatic203 жыл бұрын
I saw it in their faces. When Larry said we made a grievous error..
@Kipkemoi10 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting story of how sometimes what we think is the problem is not the problem.
@Kipkemoi10 жыл бұрын
Just rewatched this one more time - and it is even clearer that sometimes the root cause isn't where you think it is.
@amydee00746 жыл бұрын
We didn’t watch it in 6th grade but my science teacher came into class after lunch and was white as a ghost. He told us what happened but we didn’t really understand. We thought it just landed in the ocean and they were going to be saved. It was very sad.
@EaglesPro5 жыл бұрын
It is so sad that this happened
@melliemel323 жыл бұрын
I was in 5th and I think I recall feeling that way too. I thought somehow they would be okay.
@JimMac237 ай бұрын
The crew cabin did land in the ocean, but the impact on the surface going 200 miles an hour was like hitting concrete. They were all killed instantly.
@sheilatruax61722 жыл бұрын
I was in my late 20s. Had watched Mercury and Apollo launches and reentries all my life. I had come into work that morning, requesting to plug in a radio to listen to the launch. It was granted. I was immobile when I heard the explosion. As soon as they announced that Challenger had exploded, I went to my desk and sat down. I can remember hearing myself say "No", several times. Cried off and on for days. Went to a memorial at the Denver Museum of Natural History a few nights later. I was a Houston kid, had toured Mission Control and had a Saturn 5 rocket as a piggybank. This was devastating!
@carriel13843 жыл бұрын
It is almost like they are forever in that final moment, facing upwards into the sky. It happened so quickly.
@luisguadalupe17418 жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for them........... I never had idea of this.
@bryannguyen84408 жыл бұрын
Same here
@mb4lunch5 жыл бұрын
It's a hoax. They did not die.
@marias75995 жыл бұрын
@ For The United States to publicly accept that they had to ask Russians space system to carry American astronauts into space it takes alot of humility and sense of responsibility. Which means that these disasters really happened. The US would never bow down to Russia like that if this were a hoax.
5 жыл бұрын
kell yup. I think one died or just cant be found.
@JimMac237 ай бұрын
@@mb4lunch You are a hoax. You don't exist.
@jeremymiller15136 жыл бұрын
I live in Florida and in the winter if the temperature is low all you have to do is wait a day or two and the temp will go up.
@mattgator144 жыл бұрын
But they didn't want to wait any longer because if they didn't launch that day it was going to screw up the teacher's scheduled lesson plans with all of the schools. smh
@JimMac237 ай бұрын
@@mattgator14 Plus Reagan had the State of the Union speech that night.
@KidsCancerTree10 жыл бұрын
Human arrogance kills. Its what also destroyed the Columbia. Very sad. They ignored the blow by evidence and assumed the secondary would always hold, when that was a major warning total failure was very possible.
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
Human Arrogance causes BILLIONS of crimes per day (ex: car crashes) (ex: govt and press telling us for centuries that tobacco was GOOD for you!).... b/c THE ESTABLISHMENT PROTECTS THE ESTABLISHMENT.
@thedumbbitch76393 жыл бұрын
@@umpygoodness2369 why are you like this
@JimMac237 ай бұрын
@@umpygoodness2369 Grow up.
@pwk224 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was great. It gives you insight into the dynamics of group crisis decision making. But moreso, I found the explanation of the two failures, especially the double O-ring, as clear and fascinating.
@U2FanSanFran3 жыл бұрын
Netflix put out a series “Challenger: The Final Flight” and goes into detail on what happened. Horrible day and I remember like it was yesterday
@slapshot682 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I want to watch it! It will be too sad n scary!
@ninaschenk47275 жыл бұрын
I remember being in school gathered around the tv super excited to witness; then the explosion...it was tragic!
@andreacarroll38516 жыл бұрын
Caroll Spinney was actually supposed to go on the Challenger while portraying his character Big Bird, but was not able to due to complications with the puppet suit. Thank god.
@conconrace57759 жыл бұрын
Rip, may God be with you Xxx
@ryro3515 Жыл бұрын
I had just turned 5 years old a few weeks before Challenger. I was fascinated by what I was seeing on TV. I don’t know if I fully understood that people had died. I’ll never forget that day!
@kdmcollegebd20122 жыл бұрын
We watched this live. I was a 15yo high school Sophomore. They sent us home. It was devastating to watch!
@RitaMalikfour6 жыл бұрын
How horrible for the family watching loved ones blown into pieces in front of their eyes, heartbreaking beyond words? If that had my son I would have died right there with a heart attack
@surendrapratap82336 жыл бұрын
15:50 Kalpna Chawla (Indian-American) feels proud emotional and sad. she is inspiration to many girls in India
@billdarby49497 жыл бұрын
Finally, after decades of arrogantly trying to put the blame on Engineering Data, I am glad to hear Mr. Larry Mulloy of NASA admit to making a "Grievous Error!" We are all humans and make mistakes. I respect Mr. Mulloy a little bit more after his saying that. It is still a shame that we un-necessarily lost 7 Astronauts over MONEY! (The Contract Renewal.)
@filipinordabest6 жыл бұрын
John Cool Proof which isn’t KZbin videos?
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
Look up NASA's ENTIRE HISTORY. This murderous negligence was the RULE, not the exception.
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
@@exosianteatime1517 COOL DEFLECTION, lying liar. HONEST PEOPLE never deflect. EVER. SMART PEOPLE never deflect. EVER. But my opponents almost invariably deflect while I never do. CURIOUS PATTERN.
@datboibarlos67666 жыл бұрын
umpy Goodness But you just deflected her deflection by stating shes a liar without giving any proof as to how she is lying. You didn’t even link any evidence in your first post, so to me it seems like you made a crazy statement and are now going to deflect any further comments by calling us “liars” and you’re gonna keep telling us to “stay blind”, yet you’re never gonna cite your evidence.
@carolinacoreas77164 жыл бұрын
@@umpygoodness2369 no one is going to take you seriously if all you do is spam the comments and capitalize some words for emphasis. You sound like a kid with tinfoil hat that blames everything on the government. Just shut up already.
@bipadmaster69814 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video. Speak up when your manager is wrong, especially in a life and death situation! They’ll thank you later.
@JimMac237 ай бұрын
The engineers did speak up. The managers ignored them.
@xxphosphene3 жыл бұрын
Imagine standing down there, knowing that your child is in that Shuttle and then watching that scene. This was beyond horrible
@bullwinkle198910 жыл бұрын
This is tragic but a great report.
@kenanharvey272410 жыл бұрын
If you look at 5:44 mark you will notice that the black guy is Ron McNair, he was one of the astronauts who died during the Challenger explosion.
@crocheting15 жыл бұрын
The crew was wonderfully diverse, with two women (one Jewish), a Black man, and a Buddhist of Asian heritage.
@nadi59605 жыл бұрын
Julius Gilliard learn to spell
@honkeykong95638 жыл бұрын
Gut-Wrenching to see and hear her enthusiasm 7:25
@OAleathaO2 жыл бұрын
I have to say that Diane Vaughan's book, _The Challenger Launch Decision_ was the best read ever regarding the Challenger disaster. Hands down!
@inkadinkadoodle4 жыл бұрын
I remember this. I was a senior in high school, about to graduate in June. Everyone was talking about it at school. In spite of things being business as usual for us, the whole day had a still, grey cast over it. There was no one who wasn't thinking of the Challenger that day (except maybe those shop-class guys!)
@BlackParadeMarcher15 жыл бұрын
this always gets me misty eyed every time I watch a special on it. It seems every time there's a major disaster, it's when the upper echelon decides not to listen to the people actually working on whatever it is.
@AnotherWittyUsername.6 жыл бұрын
While the Challenger disaster could have been avoided, the Columbia disaster was unavoidable no matter what was done. Even if all the tiles were checked by a passing satellite there was nothing the crew could do about it. There were no replacement tiles on the shuttle with which to effect a repair. The Space Shuttle Columbia and her crew were doomed the moment that chunk of foam hit the wing. Maybe it's better that they didn't know?
@Tsunami_4156 жыл бұрын
Nothing could be done? How about another launch to bring them back home?
@hunterburroughs32966 жыл бұрын
They could have learned from previous flights that foam was tearing off.
@jeffpergram30636 жыл бұрын
what you are saying is complete nonsense. they could have docked at the international space station and sent a 2nd launch to bring spare parts to fix this problem or they could have aboarded the 2nd shuttle and left safely
@MrWizardjr96 жыл бұрын
theres another shuttle and if the other shuttle isnt operational we can ask russia for help.
@brianstraight93086 жыл бұрын
It's not that easy to just throw another shuttle onto the launchpad, send it up, and save people from either an orbiting shuttle or the ISS. IIRC, Columbia also didn't have the fuel on board to push itself to the higher orbit to dock with the ISS. There was no way to get them once they were in the damaged shuttle in orbit. In order to do so, a lot of things would have to go just right, very quickly and even then you're looking at countless points of failure. That's not to say, Columbia was doomed from the start, NASA knew there were problems with the insulating foam falling off the tank and striking the thermal tiles and that the possibility of the tiles being damaged beyond the point of being useful was a real one. Those with the power to do so, just never pulled the trigger to do anything about it to make a more effective system for the insulation. Plenty could have be done, but like with the Challenger disaster, they put money over life. They knew there was a problem, but gambled they wouldn't have to deal with it.
@ccchhhrrriiisss1007 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderfully, if not tragically, informative mini-documentary about the dangers of a groupthink organizational culture. The voice of dissent is vital in any organization.
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
HOW IRONIC that the NYT has a century-long history of doing the EXACT SAME THINGS as NASA did, which killed numerous people. (THe NYT also detests dissent.)
@KingmanRoss Жыл бұрын
I had recently moved to Ft Lauderdale and went outside my apt to watch it in real time,with my own eyes.Holy cow,did not expect what was to happen next.
@MrJanes-cl5sj3 жыл бұрын
OMG I am Loving these....I can't stop watching them
@docgumbo49796 жыл бұрын
The most disturbing part was watching the realization of what had just happened slowly dawn across the face of Christa McAuliffe’s mother. That was almost unbearable. Those poor families.
@johnsmisek026 жыл бұрын
Thank you NTY, I think this is the best retro report yet
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
except A) they never use the #1 WORD this story requires: "MANSLAUGHTER". But the NYT has always gotten corporate welfare from this same mass-murdering govt of war mongering crminals. (That's WHY NASA just kept killing astronauts.) B) the NYT every day does the EXACT same criminal negligence as NASA did in these stories. EX: look up the Jayson Blair scandal. EX: look up how the NYT LIED for 10 years to help murderous politicians FAKE the VIetnam war which killed 50,000 American TEEN BOYS. (!!!!)
@cas40406 жыл бұрын
I was 3. It’s one of my earliest memories. We live in Florida and watch all of the launches.
@topturretgunner3 жыл бұрын
I was on the second floor parking lot the rental car return lot at Tampa international A/P watching Challenger ascend when the explosion took place. My first thought just as clear 10/06/21 as it was that awful fateful day "My God.... those people just died." The flood of memories watching this video leaves my heart just as heavy as witnessing that tragic event that day.
@tangleshootburrfoot363 жыл бұрын
35 years ago today, I was in elementary school watching this on the TV that the teacher wielded to the classroom so that we could see a space shuttle launch into space. We were all absolutely horrified. God rest their souls.
@flappy73736 жыл бұрын
As someone who used to work somewhere where dishonest stuff was carried out on a daily basis.. It's not too hard to understand why people look the other way sometimes. It is really sobering though, to see what can result from it..
@umpygoodness23696 жыл бұрын
IT WAS MANSLAUGHTER AND NOTHING ELSE.
@JimMac237 ай бұрын
@@umpygoodness2369 It was an accident. Manslaughter is a ridiculous claim here.
@roastarena10 жыл бұрын
Unfortunate what happened to all those people. And to our space program. I can't believe we pay other people to take us into space. We need a reboot.
@whatster87536 жыл бұрын
Millz Jacob it’s the same thing with the military so many contractors
@Tomatonator6 жыл бұрын
Space X baby
@Pumpkin3.14pi5 жыл бұрын
We don't need to waste the money on a space program in my opinion. We have too many problems and too much debt. I just don't see the benefit outweighing the cost.
@marias75995 жыл бұрын
Not only other people. RUSSIANS Russia is our astronaut's Uber lol
@THIS---GUY3 жыл бұрын
@@Pumpkin3.14pi the entire scope of the mars missions is less than one month of US military spending. The money is readily available just how you spend it
@DeathShouldTakeMeNow6 жыл бұрын
I remember I was grade school, 2nd grade I think, and the school had a special assembly so we could watch the shuttle launch live. When it exploded I remember all the kids were in an uproar. Some laughed, some screamed, others were just sitting there frozen. It wasnt until I looked over at the teachers and saw one of them crying that I knew something horrible had happened. I didn't quite understand what had happened but when I saw her crying I knew it was serious business. I dont remember much after that except one of the local papers put out a special edition with huge photos of the explosion and a two page spread that had the classic photo of the astronauts in their suits.
@darKILLusionnn6 жыл бұрын
Reading your comment made me want to cry.
@cdex92886 жыл бұрын
What were they think when they laughed?!?!?!
@bestsongssasuke77053 жыл бұрын
God bless the families and love ones of Challenger and Columbia with peace and healing in their lives.
@TaharaLocc3 ай бұрын
Shuttle program did not learn from the Apollo programme, and Boeing did not learn from the Shuttle programme! The greatest lesson in history is that man learns nothing from history!