Space Sweden STANDS! | Tex Talks BattleTech

[@kevinhuening5274]

11:37 about being better to be feared than love, Machiavelli also stressed that it is far better to be feared AND loved. Mainly because if they no longer fear you, your days in power are numbered.

[@cobraglatiator]

and whatever you do, do NOT get to the point that you're hated. feared? yea, safer than being just loved, hated? your days are numbered.

[@whats_down]

Fun fact: The tactic that Rasalhague used is something called total defense which entails that the population of the country is considered being part of the military when attacked and no surrender will be accepted neither from the higher ups nor the enemy so they will fight until death claims them or the enemy just gives up and Sweden today use that tactic as well so you named this episode very well mostly by accident i think.

[@Airier]

Mostly by accident, although partly because Rasalhague always seemed more swedish to me than it's alternative Kurita roots.

[@whats_down]

As a Swede myself i agree with your assessment

[@valnira1147]

@@Airier Rasalhauge while having Kuritan nobility, was settled by Scandinavians so you're not wrong when they're space sweden

[@MarqFJA87]

The Swedish doctrine (not tactic; that's for direct battlefield actions, e.g. hit-and-run attacks) that you mention is known as "free war" (Swedish: fria kriget), and although it has been discontinued in official Swedish military doctrine, it is still present in various books and military manuals. Fun fact: This doctrine is also associated with mission-type command, which gives commanding officers practically limitless autonomy in how they execute the mission that they had been ordered to undertake; in short, any orders could be disobeyed and any rules could be broken, as long as the mission was successful. This was demonstrated very visibly by Nordbat 2, a Nordic battalion comprising Swedish, Danish and Norwegian units under a Swedish commander that was sent to the Bosnian War as part of the UNPROFOR's peacekeeping operation; unlike pretty much every other UN peacekeeping force, Nordbat 2 flipped the bird to any notion of "staying neutral" (read: step side and turn their eyes away from any belligerents committing war crimes) as well as repeated complaints from officers up the chain and politicians back home, and actively clashed with everyone that dared to trespass on the areas they were tasked with protecting, or even had the bright eye of shooting at them with lethal intent and expect them to turn tail (a certain Serbian unit were blasted into oblivion by concerted Danish tank fire in retaliation once).

[@Kaarl_Mills]

isnt that basically the Finnish plan for round 3 with Russia?

[@michaelkimberling7307]

The clans preferred their ground forces for the most part. A notable exception are the Snow Ravens. The so called Navy Clan for their emphasis on warships and ASF. The inner sphere just had mad bastards in the air.

[@WolfHreda]

7:29 The Legions of Vega are a hodgepodge unit generally consisting of troublemakers from all over the DCMS. But when it's time to show up, they show up. And they're still Kuritans. Fun Lore: The rat on their insignia used to be named Takashi, after the Coordinator, in hinor of the man who made their lives a living hell. Takashi also used to be smoking a cigarette. Sometime after the Clan Invasion, they changed it to the rat wiekding a sword and renamed him Tikki.

[@kereminde]

It helped Theodore Kurita, Takashi's son, was assigned to the unit as a punishment/test... and promptly set about reforging them into a damn effective weapon for the Combine.

[@EllenbergW]

I don't think the Clans used warships up til Turtle Bay. But they were usually part of the opening bid. If things got too tough, a clan could fall back to the forces of the opening bid - it would be a loss of honor to do so, but not as much of a loss as losing the fight altogether. By removing warships from their opening bid, Clan Wolf forced all the other clans to do the same and thus no clan would be allowed to use a warships in a fight, no matter what. And remember, Clan Wolf was a warden clan and actually opposed the invasion from the get-go but was outvoted and thus conducted the invasion in a way, that would help the warden cause as much as possible.

[@philtkaswahl2124]

Ah, Rasalhauge. The "we hardly knew you" of Inner Sphere states. But they made themselves known to the Clans very pointedly.

[@bthsr7113]

TBF, they got a decent enough future merged with the Ghost Bears

[@themisspultone]

tbo, Ulric was playing 4D chess, the crusaders thought that by putting him in that possition, they could hobble his warden sentiments. So he doubled down and decided to out crusader them. Notably he made sure most Wolf troops deployed non ammo dependent weapons. so he could maintain his inertia forcing the crusaders to overextend or loose face. Tho the twist of fate at Radstadt was an unxpected boon to the inner sphere

[@oldeskul]

Something you'll note, with the razing of Edo, Clan Smoke Jaguar essentially boffed the invasion. This just ensured that every world the clans invaded would just fight back that much harder.

[@Tzilandi]

1:32 - No! Bad Arier! Bad! That's TOO many Urbies! 25:29 - The name is a patronym; "Månsdottir" would be "daughter of Måns".

[@Kaarl_Mills]

no such thing as too many as long as the checks dont bounce

[@valnira1147]

no no More Urbies. One Urbie Can be a meanace. but in numbers they are a nightmare

[@bthsr7113]

@@valnira1147 That's the POINT. To saturate you with numbers in urban heck.

[@valnira1147]

@@bthsr7113 I know. That's the Urbie's strength. but people don't use them like that so teh meme of lol trashcan bad

[@Archris17]

Rasalhague took, "Live free or die," to heart. Every single one of those defenders earned their place in Valhalla among Odin's most select einherjar. Just hearing about their last stand against the full might of the Clans at their strongest, fills me with patriotism for a nation one fictional universe and a thousand years separate from my own!

[@weldonwin]

*"WITNESS MEEEEEEEEEE!!!"* - Tyra Miraborg

[@TheTrueAdept]

The full Machiavelli quote goes along the lines of "Its best to be both feared *_AND_* loved, but love is subjective, fear is objective. *_ABOVE ALL ELSE_* never let that fear turn to hatred."

[@cobraglatiator]

11:38 the thing is too, going JUST off the one book, Machiavelli says it is safer to be just feared than just loved, but also says you will lose your crown and throne if you are HATED. better to be feared than loved, but make sure you do not become hated. that's how you get toppled. according to The Prince, anyway.

[@kereminde]

And I understand this was supposed to be *satirical*, but it was still useful advice in itself.

[@cobraglatiator]

@@kereminde i mean, up for debate. there's a lot of..theories? on what it's supposed to be, why he wrote it, it's not like we can go ask the man himself. but we do know he was a big fan of the roman republic, so The Prince probably isn't the most clear and honest representation of his personal politics? his beliefs? interpretations range from: he did it out of spite to make sure the guy he gifted the book to/wrote it for, would live in fear and paranoia alone and afraid/would end up failing and falling as a ruler (sabotage, political or personal.) to if you MUST be a monarch, this is how best to keep a stable state/keep yourself in power. (damage control.) like i said, we can't ask the man, he's been dead for how many centuries now? so best we got is looking at his life, his letters, and his other works, to figure out how they all relate to each other, and what he personally believed/wanted. like with much of the past, we can only make an educated guess at best. we simply won't know for 100% certain unless we invent time machines. *TLDR* yea coulda been, but there's a lot of disagreement on that.

[@kereminde]

@@cobraglatiator Fair enough, I got that take from someone who was Overly Sarcastic anyway...

[@cobraglatiator]

@@kereminde ahh, good channel.

[@stephenknizek2651]

Stalling for months is a call back to the earliest novels, where the gray Death Legion spent a year mucking about in a backwater world.

[@christiedt9818]

The Legions of Vega are Kuritan Bad Company

[@scs-secondchancestudios4330]

I love watching your reactions! You explain things from unique approaches I rarely think down. It's great watching a fellow nerd love something I do so much! Also. Looking forward to the next episode!

[@Yacovo]

Fun thing about all those "honor fighting" rules, a major reason it was invented by Nicky in the first place was because Smoke Jaguar kept commiting war crimes on its enemies. And the enemy's civilians. And bystanders. This was in Clan Space, known for having resource and population bottlenecks. Thanks for the video.

[@nemamiah7832]

That's a very fancy way of spelling Dana Kufahl. Sure, Nicky K was talking about "honourable combat", but Dana actually encouraged her warriors to do the whole 1v1 thing (specifically when taking planet Babylon). Which they have continued to do. And then everyone had copied it. And then it was codified into Zellbrigen. Info courtesy of Field Manual: Warden Clans.

[@douglasbaker4562]

@28:30 "It's not a tail. It's a Clan Flag, painted on, but damaged, so it looks odd. The outline is definitely Clan Wolf Flag"

[@lessonslearned2569]

Clans have Elemetals. Repeat, the Clans have Elementals.

[@thorveim1174]

Clan wolf bidding away their warships was deliberate: remember, they are a warden clan and did NOT approve of the invasion though they were strongarmed into being part of it. They WANTED to sabotage the invasion, and forcing everyone to bid away their warships fits PERFECTLY into that. hell, they also decided to keep their invasion at a pace they knew other clans wouldnt be able to follow (which they managed because unlike other clans they didnt neglect their logistics and treating the locals well meant they didnt have to tie up their forces to deal with revolts... and also because they had a hand from Comstar after they started opposing the clans), but would TRY to because having the warden clan do better than them would shame them. Overal, Clan Wolf repeatedly messed with the invasion by PURPOSEFULLY doing better than everyone else knowing other clans would stumble trying to match them also note, by that point the clans use trueborn; just because the clan wolf Khan is a Kerensky doesnt mean he is part of their litteral family tree, by that point Kerensky is just a bloodname (that only clan wolf gets to use) so there is plenty of kerenskys

[@nemamiah7832]

It wasn't *that* deliberate. It was Phelan Kell doing Phelan Kell thing. Ulric at first considered the proposition utterly insane.

[@MiriOhki]

There wasn’t really any real involvement of warships before Edo, it was mostly “we want it on the board in case we somehow really need it.” Especially since they didn’t know if the Inner Sphere had warships (and barring ComStar, they didn’t. The Lyrans lost the last non-clan/comstar warship about 150 years earlier.

[@bthsr7113]

The clans (usually) crushed open (and direct) opposition quickly, which let them proclaim control of worlds. It's just that whatever was left unaccounted for tended to form resistance movements. Along with more proactive and driven citizens joining up to take back their home. Edit: As far as I know, Tex probably won't talk about Dark Age or Ilclan, and I don't know about the one that won't be named. You'll have to go elsewhere. Big Red and Mech Frog are down for talking about the machines of those eras, and Big Red will include relevant history in his longer vids, but big broad talks ,about the events themselves like TTBT Amaris Coup? Yeah, I don't know of anyone who's doing those eras like that at present. Edit2: The guy voicing the founding Adder Khan is Big Red. He notably has a fondness for the Adders and has a long video on one of their best mechs as an excuse to talk about them. The Warhammer IIC

[@acehigh79]

I usually prefer to rep clan wolf or a merc unit of my own design. When I am forced to go IS it's FRR! They have a military philosophy I understand. Fight like hell, make the enemy earn every inch, and if it sounds bat shit crazy it's the correct call!! 🎉😊😮

[@Zippercdrr]

Mentions Mech Warrior 5 Clans a Day before the EU release and the day of the NA release. Time Zones working in favor o the NA guys! Edit: Wooo 19:58 BigRed40Tech

[@bthsr7113]

Prior to the Sabre Cat opening up, Elementals had been going house to house looking for the young Kurita, his allies, or information on the whereabouts thereof. They also had APC's engaging fleeing gangsters on sight in running car fights. The Cat was the Crescendo, but there had been dark building of the piece to get to that zenith of indiscriminate rage. And the key distinction here is that the Sabre Cat was not acting against uniformed combatants, but the civilian population. This was not dishonor in fighting warriors of the sphere on uneven terms, this was the dishonor of a REPRISAL. One visited upon an entire city for the actions of people who had been criminals under the previous government as well. Tex was saying there was outcry even WITHIN Smoke Jaguar. One of the worst clans in treatment of their civilian castes, and even their own ranks dissented against such actions. Wolf did not throw away fire from on high without thinking. They didn't even want to invade in the first place, and now saw a chance to not only undermine their rivals by removing strategic reserve assets from consideration, but prevent any more Turtle Bays from being caused by the Clans in this invasion.

[@Prich319]

I just finished the Turtle Bay arc in MW5: Clans. Watching Edo get glassed is pretty damn brutal. Just when the Dracs think they've won, down comes a full salvo of capital grade missiles, a white flash, and then just burning ruins.

[@brianhenry152]

7:32 This is the major premise of the new Mechwarrior 5 Clans game. You get to see these event unraveling first hand, and the makers of that game did their homework!

[@skyeranger]

10:30 - The Smoked Jaguars glassing Edo was indeed one of the reasons why they were targeted in Operation Bulldog. They were the most brutal Clan, commiting several atrocities. They also chose them because they were one of the strongest and biggest Clans, which would make annihilating them a better show of force. The other was to take pressure from the Draconis Combine and secure their capital world of Luthien. Perez effectively was a big contributor to have them loose the invasion by doing this. 12:55 - The Wolves were sabotaging the Clan Invasion by playing the Crusader Clans, pushing their buttons by playing on their honor. That's why they immediately jumped on bidding out their warships and thereby greatly hindering the invaders.

[@Inglonias]

Most, if not all of the events in this video are covered by the novels about the clan invasion written by Michael Stackpole

[@SwordlordRoy]

1:49 "I can print out an entire Lance of Urbies...I can print out an Entire Army of Urbies..." Yup...although personally I'd mix them with a bunch of other Meme Mechs...Like the Daboku that auto-ejects to pilot if you hit it the right way, or the Mackie with it's dick laser. 2:48 "He actually survived long enough to take shelter?!" I'm just going to head this off here...Victor Steiner-Davion has so much plot armor that it actually kills his first wife, he also lives a very long life, ultimately finally dying at 104 years of age in the Dark Age...strictly due to a bunch of Republic of the Sphere Senators Julius Caesar-ing him... 10:50 "obligatory SPACESHIP!!!" ...and that's a mark off the bingo card... 16:34 "I didn't know a Kerensky was still leading Clan Wolf." Well Yes, but actually No. The way the Clans work, The Kerensky Bloodheritage does not Monopolize Khanship of Clan Wolf...but in this time frame there was a Kerensky as Khan, and I know that, during time on Screen, Kerensky's do have a Tendency to be major power players in the Clan, only really Sharing the Spotlight with Wards... 18:45 "I don't remember that Name..." Clan Star Adder, or arguably the most Reasonable and Intelligent Clan. They have a Culture that actually acknowledges the non-Warrior Castes, Granting them a Voice (But not a Vote) in their councils through the position of the Adder's Adjutant. They are also the only ones whom I am sure actually read the Wolf's Dragoons' Scouting Reports, as they were knocked out of Bidding to Invade the Inner Sphere Early due to a bid of "We're bringing Everything, We are Suspending Zellbringen, we are not bidding down from this!" As far as we know of the Homeworld Clans in the Current IlClan Storyline, the Star Adders are basically the new Head Clan of the Homeworlds and MIGHT know of the Fact Clan Wolf is now the Star League...Whether they acknowledge the 3rd league given its "Inner Sphere Tainted" status is currently unknown. 31:03 The Battle The Mechs Broke before the Rasalhague did, Space Sweden Stands! 33:19 "And that's the Point of the Inner Sphere!" Live Free or Die Hard!

[@Pylo-ry6ff]

One thing to keep in mind is that at this point Clan Wolf wasn't exactly committed to the invasion succeeding. To put it mildly.

[@jrwilliams7534]

Victor is the Greatest Threat to anyone as long as he has time to learn. He only makes mistakes once or twice at most.

[@TheTrueAdept]

Unless it's politics, that was his weakness.

[@LuoSon312_G8]

fun and terrifying info bit; a single Clan power armored Elementals can face tank battlemech PPC fire, light/small lasers and shrug off lighter auto cannon rounds (AC-2). unprotected infantry were all but useless and defenseless without heavy tank or mech support until the Inner Sphere managed to reverse engineer and produce a slightly inferior but more readily available battle armor for the average infantry soldier. as for crossover power scaling; 1 =/= 40k Space Marine, Halo Spartan (ii, iii, iv), Crysis Suit Commando, Clan Elemental (with armor) 2 - Clan Elementals (without armor), Clone Commando, Starcraft Ghost, Halo Orion Commandos 3 - GoW COG marine, Starcraft Terran Marine, Halo ODST, Helldivers, Starship Troopers armored Mobile Infantry, Star Wars Clone Troopers, Battletech Inner Sphere Heavy Infantry (power armored) 4 - Starship Troopers Mobile Infantry (movie trilogy), Star Wars Stormtroopers, Halo Marines/Army, Star Wars CIS battledroids, 40k Guardsmen, Battletech Infantry

[@TheGreatDayne1983]

Battletech after the Clan Invasion isn’t……Good.

[@bthsr7113]

It's not without merit though, and there are some really cool designs.

[@WolfHreda]

You shut your mouth and don't ever look at my Argus again.

[@Jacen32272]

3:45 Elementals are considered to be heavy infantry, and can easily win at 10-1 engagements against traditional infantry. This was closer to 15-1, but surprise more then makes up the difference... 6:50 Asymmetrical Warfare is GREAT for drawing a conflict out, and is exactly the opposite of how Clanners fought. 11:30 Like most, you left off the most important part: It's better to be feared then loved, but never Hated. The tobacco cats earned a LOT of hatred. 15:25 Now, now. Shotguns have long been the crowd control longarm of choice for their versatility, intimidation factor and limited range. (The last limiting the risk of unwanted collateral damage in an urbane environment.) Just load those suckers up with rubber pellets, bean bags or rock salt and you have a perfectly functional crowd control implement... 16:34 Blood names are given out for merit and have nothing to do with genetics. In Clan Wolf, there will always be Kerenskis. 17:52 Those weapons are in the lower abs, not the crotch. They are belly guns, not dick lasers. 20:00 Voiced by Big Red 40K. Ironically, in Big Red 40K's video about the Warhammer IIC, it was Tex reading the very same passage. You should check out that video sometime...

[@kereminde]

"Elementals are considered to be heavy infantry, and can easily win at 10-1 engagements against traditional infantry. This was closer to 15-1, but surprise more then makes up the difference..." Now consider, canonically, there is *one man* for whom Clan Jade Falcon agreed three stars of elementals were needed to take him "fairly". (A star of elementals is twenty-five in number.)

[@Jacen32272]

@@kereminde And who might that be?

[@kereminde]

@@Jacen32272 We'll get to it in the next couple episodes... :) No spoiler on who for Airier.

[@Jacen32272]

@@kereminde Oh, right. HIM. To be fair, they WERE underestimating how badass HE was...

[@135forte]

What Tex fails to mention is that Star Adder formed units that used IS tactics based on Dragoon reports, and after training against them, the Adders lost their bid for the Invasion because their bid was their entire army. Edit: He also fails to mention that Wolf didn't want to be there and was trying to sabaotage the Invasion.

[@spartana1116]

Here's a thing about smoke jaguar's founder, he was broken by the amaris civil war like most in the exodus but he was originally a more peaceful guy and only joined Nicolas the amaris fanboy to escape the madness and wondered for therapy purposes, its only till killing the smoke jaguar that killed his brother he became this hyper aggressive pro murder khan of smoked jaguar

[@Eserchie]

Hey Airier, there's something kind of weird going on with your channel. If I click the channel link next to the join/subscribe/bell buttons, I get a 404 page. If I click your channel in my subscriptions, same thing. If I search your channel, first result takes me to your channel, and it opens normally, and shows me subscribed. Vids you post don't show up on my home page until they are at least 48hrs old, but do show up on my subscribed tab.

[@noble501st4]

It's not a dlc It's a new game mechwarrior 5 clans..... I know weird it's using unreal 5 instead of 4

[@tristanschmidt1239]

so your going to stop buying plastic crack and instead will be making plastic crack

[@Arynightrose0901]

Airier I got bad news for you, it still has the same problems as mechwarrior 5 with the AI and you play as smoke jaguar, you know, the clanners who decided to orbital bomb a defensless town

[@limedaleks2851]

If you want post clan invasion lore watch BigRed40Tech he puts some of that stuff in his longer videos

[@larslaufer301]

@Airier: IF you haven't heard anything about MW5 Clans other then it exists and that you play Clan... you will be in for a hell of a ride as to who you play. As for the gameplay...aspect more PGI aka its most likely just MW5 Mercs with Clanmechs.

[@offsedd8520]

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