SPACE WOLVES Tier List

[@THEATOMBOMB035]

I am gonna put Bjorn in C tier. Bjorn: didn't I carry your ass 5/0 in the last gauntlet?

[@dracodelcaosherrera6861]

Bjorn : "i'm joke for you JonP?" for me, a minimum A tier...

[@THEATOMBOMB035]

@@dracodelcaosherrera6861 A at least

[@tardigrade8019]

tbf Bjoorn was rolling real hot. Pretty sure he got 9 out of ten melta shots to go through onto the opponents armour. and he got nice damage rolls on trueclaw. I'd still put Bjorn in B tier, He gives Captain re-roll without taking up the slot. You can give him lieutenent re-roll with wisdom, his damage can be swingy but he offers a credible threat in melee. You could probably use him to babysit some redemptors, contemptors or long fangs.

[@JoeNathanYa]

Bjorn is slowly making his way back up for me haha. FWIW we filmed this before the gauntlet episode.

[@THEATOMBOMB035]

@@JoeNathanYa I figured as much, just seeing you put the old man in C after the curb stomping he gave made me go WTF? I still say A but arguments can be made for B.

[@JoeNathanYa]

take a shot everytime I say "solid"

[@thedameki]

I’m to drunk to taste this chicken.

[@samj8421]

but what if I'm too drunk to find more alcohol?!

[@Angarian.7389]

"The causlties suffered by an Imperial Guard Regiment are nothing compared to the suffering of a Space Wolves Liver"-Rogal Dorn and Myself after attempting this

[@dariusmatea8967]

Pin this comment dammit

[@blanck7457]

You mean alcohol poisoning

[@Archon762]

Bjorn doesn't take a Captain slot, he has the reroll but not the Captain/Wolf Lord keyword

[@JoeNathanYa]

ooof, yup thats right. My bad

[@togashigr11]

02:25 Bjorn does NOT take up a captain slot. You can still run a captain/wolf lord together with Bjorn because he does not have the captain/wolf lord or chapter master keyword. 22:36 Murderfang can still reroll charges and he is a character so due to look out sir missing an invuln does hurt but not that much. 29:40 Ven dreads can also be equipped with shield and axe/claw have a better bs/ws of 2+ and are core but they have the con of 2 inches less movement and don't have built in reroll charges

[@RunAzazelRun]

Also dont ven dreads get a 6+ fnp

[@togashigr11]

@@RunAzazelRun that is correct but 6+++ is so once in a blue moon. Main factor is that they are core, can use wisdom of the ancients and the better WS compared to wulfen dreads

[@tardigrade8019]

@@togashigr11 it is pretty helpful for them cus they have a decent amount of wounds. But Wulfen Dreads are alot cheaper, so point for point they are more durable and hit harder.

[@BigJaseNZ]

Only a minor point, but if ven dread takes a shield it can only have axe. The Wulfen dread can take a shield and claw.

[@togashigr11]

@@tardigrade8019 Cheaper yes, Hit harder not really. They don't benefit from constant assault doctrine like regular wulfen infantry does, have worse weapon skill, are excluded from wisdom of the ancients and as they are not core wulfen can't benefit from rerolls to hit/wound, litanies, chapter master buff. So the ven dread hits harder but I agree is more expensive and a tad slower

[@ruarkbelsten3247]

As someone just getting into the hobby these are great to learn about all the different armies. Have you guys thought of at the end giving a quick run down of a general play style and a way to play against the faction of the vid? Keep up the good work all

[@JoeNathanYa]

also i want to note that my opinion of Bjorn has changed a bit. Being able to give off a 9 inch reroll hit and wounds auras with Wisdom of the Ancients is pretty damn good. SOLIDLY in the B-tier

[@terratheterribl]

Hey, I'm curious where you would put primaris battle leader with MC power axe and special issue bolt carbine? It's not a unique HQ to Space Wolves but only SW can take that specific weapon loadout.

[@JoeNathanYa]

@@terratheterribl I think he's alright. I'd place him somewhere in the C tier. Pretty cheap at around 80 pts. Decent gun that can kill 3 2 wound models and a reroll wound rolls of 1 aura. You can give him the armor of russ to give him a 4++/fight last

[@terratheterribl]

@@JoeNathanYa thanks! My friend adores his and refuses to part with it as his warlord lol.

[@JoeNathanYa]

@@terratheterribl nice! it is a pretty damn cool model. I actually converted mine and gave him a thunderhammer, storm shield, and a jump pack

[@t3k7]

Chaos Space Marines next - FOR THE DARK GODS

[@nathanmilem3379]

That would be really cool but unfortunately none of them play chaos space marines

[@zurmanskyplayer9058]

And would be better to wait for the new codex

[@dagothur5800]

I play chaos and i can sadly say almost everything is c or b tier, they.....actually sucks really ,until the next codex. The only viable way to run it its World eaters or maybe black legión ,the rest sucks.

[@timothywillox8564]

@@zurmanskyplayer9058 Has anyone been playing home brew games with CSM and adding additional wounds?

[@zurmanskyplayer9058]

@@timothywillox8564 I don't think so, most new feature in that faction I've been seeing be played its fabius creations, nothing else

[@bluetitan]

great video. just one rules issue Logan on Stormrider is chariot and not infantry so he can't benefit from cover supplied by area terrain or obstacles

[@Moses6666]

Really enjoyed the video. The second army I'm building is actually Space Wolves, so this list helps me out a lot. Keep up the great work, you dudes

[@herunis]

Is it me or does JonP look way more confident in front of the camera ? Very cool video nonetheless! :)

[@Lewismarty1]

Do Dark Angels! Looking at you Dameki!

[@andrewryan2149]

These videos are such good source info for the game. Really enjoy watching them. Hope you do more. Would love to see a white scars video.

[@ManiacVF]

I was wondering how you guys would do the Space Marine tier lists, glad to see a nice way you did it :D

[@ryanwheeler8005]

oh man, ive been waiting for this one! Space wolves for life!

[@nothingpecial]

The entire chapter and all of its successors : F tier That dishonorable dog Russ: below F tier - a Thousand Sons magister

[@julianpourdanesh3339]

I love how all the creativity games workshop had for names died with the space wolfs units

[@arly803]

Wolf wolves

[@Crembaw]

There’s like eight things called Castellans, let’s not pretend they’re good at coming up with names.

[@darthcaul9447]

In 9th edition what are the troop requirements you have to have to field an army? Can you have more than 2 HQ's?

[@foulpilgrim5285]

Ah, that good Space Wolves content. It's what got me to come to the channel and probably why I'm still here 😅

[@5050_Good_Odds]

I would say eradicators are S because you can take a multi-melta and heavy melta rifles for conaistency and pop keen senses to not give a damn, still cool vid tho :)

[@thornback82]

I would like it if you have an even more zoomed in full tier list on screen during the overview.

[@ludicroushamster3565]

Doesn't the wolf lord on thunderwolf already have an invul from belt of russ?

[@AltoStratusX1]

Man Space Wolves are super badass. Thanks for this.

[@darkmagpiestudios8222]

wow this codex has more HQ's than most armies has units.

[@hickorybane9323]

When I first tried to make a raven guard list (from usually playing space wolves) I thought something when wrong when I could only find one named HQ

[@Truthteller024]

The Space Wolves are very character heavy. It's awesome but does make it difficult to decide what to put into lists.

[@jaysilver8693]

watching this while building my second squad of grey hunters. Feels bad man

[@darthcaul9447]

Can a Space Wolf army running Harald Deathwolf and Canis Wolfborn be competitive? Can a mostly wolfy army list be competitive? What would you add to Harald and Canis to make them effective?

[@ryanadams0922]

I really like your outro music please never change it

[@leighbrown5430]

Murderfang still has the re roll to charges due to murder maker ability

[@Capamaru78]

Correct.

[@StarlingChilds]

This is super helpful! Also I appreciate the space wolves color coordination with your hat and jacket/hoodie🍻 intentional or not haha

[@jossypoo]

This is EXACTLY what i needed as i build my 9th-compliant Redmaw Company

[@TattooedTabletop]

Always appreciate a dope tier list! Solid arguments for the units 🤘

[@AlphaFenris1]

My two cents is that I think content like this generally works better with two presenters. One in the role of "subject matter expert" and one as "commentator". Even if you only have one Space Wolves player the other person on camera can talk about how it feels playing against it or ask questions on behalf of people unfamiliar with faction mechanics.

[@davida138]

Good and helpful video! Grey Hunters are good. Joe hunter gets as many melee attacks as Joe intercessor but gets that chainsword AP. Free chainswords for hunters. Plus hunters can take some plasma weapons and two heavy hitting melee weapons. One for wolfguard and one for pack leader. And there are many options for transporting hunters unlike intercessors.

[@wargamesgeek1334]

Space Wolves are superb, great video thanks for sharing this

[@joshuaaxford516]

Funny thing about Ragnar, I've got a friend who actively (perhaps foolishly) seeks to beat my Ragnar in melee. Always ends up losing whatever is thrown at him and ends up shooting Ragnar to kill him

[@futureechoes42]

I bought the combat patrol for Space wolves... I think I missed it. Where does the Invictor Tactical Warsuit rank? And Primaris Reivers?

[@wayneellio]

The tactical war suit isn’t in the codex and he basically said that the reivers are a niche thing so I think he put them at b. They basically lower leadership. I just bought the same pack. The warsuit is the only thing that looks good to me

[@knightofthefallen7416]

Jon P. Venerable Dreadnoughts can take a Great Axe and Blizzard Shield in Space Wolves. So, 4++ when hits on 2+ (even when -1 to hit) and a 6+++. WAY better than a Wulfen dreadnought. And did I mention that it's also Core. So, C-tier, while the Wulfen dread is A-tier. Really?

[@leighbrown5430]

Cant wulfen dreads take a shield and a frost axe ?

[@VuPham-fv9oz]

@@leighbrown5430 no, unfortunately

[@leighbrown5430]

@@VuPham-fv9oz Are you sure ? because its a loadout on battlescribe .

[@knightofthefallen7416]

@@leighbrown5430 They can, but the only hit on a 3+ natively (not 2+), don't have a 6+++, can't do actions (not so big since it's a vehicle) and are NOT core. While the Ven dread has/is all of that for not many more points and both can take the same loadouts.

[@hickorybane9323]

Lukas is a surpringly good model imo. He gives himself rerolls to hit b/c he's a bloodclaw so he's 80 points that rerolls everything with a 2d weapon. I haven't found the perfect use for him, but I sometimes run a bike chap with aura of majesty and it's pretty easy to keep the bloodclaws he's supporting in the 9 leadership bubble (and keep the chap away from Lukas's leadership debuff).

[@tmister108]

Hell yeah, thank you JonP, I've been waiting for this one

[@henrikjensen3121]

I have put Bjorn in the A tier list. My Bjorn has done some extra ordinary things in almost every game. Combine him with a techmarine and 2 company vets with stormshields. He can use the strat that allows him too heroicly intervene 6inches giving him the ability too protect some boys, 9 inch re-roll hit rolls of 1 (and wound rolls of 1 with wisdom of the ancients) and since he has less then 9 wounds and is a character then he can't be targeted with ranged weapons as long as he has company vets with him

[@yuarthur455]

how strong is the indomitus captain with reluc shield for space wolf?

[@charlesl7536]

Don't forget that Bjorn is a charater which means it can not be shooted as long as it is within 3" some friend units which is hide behind the terrain.

[@WolfpriestCjarl]

Thxs for the SW breakdown, helps out a lot

[@Vanq22114]

Taking a shot every time a unit has the word "wolf" in its name and dying of alcohol poisoning like Leman Russ intended

[@icipressidiriseccioni9764]

What is the unit in S tier before wolf guard terminator??????

[@diegobrando3430]

If you guys are doing a Space Wolves list, I want to see a Blood Angels tier list

[@darthcaul9447]

Can you put a Rune Priest on a bike?

[@ShadowOfHavoc]

Whilst I find this immensely interesting and informative, I didn't come here to watch a video about primaris marines. I think this video would be better if it just focused on the space wolf units, especially since lore wise the spaces wolves dislike primaris marines and barely have any in their ranks. (Or at least that was the case last I checked)

[@dovakinsteve9517]

Did you not like Eliminators, Suppressors, Aggressors, or the Bladeguard Ancient? Or did you just miss them?

[@nsnfrantico]

Lets go ultramarine tier list ;) GoGo roboute guilliman bois

[@YetiLord]

Thoughts on Aggressors in Space Wolves ?

[@dovakinsteve9517]

Came to the comments to ask that question

[@emmanuelauclair3886]

also, murderfang being a character, is affected by canticle of hate litany. So Mvt 8", charge 2d6+2", always rerolling.

[@BIFInvaider]

tbh, incursors are a bit better due to ignore bs modifiers and cover. They also have a -1 ap in melee which synergies better with sw

[@richardserrano3559]

Why dont you have a link for your tier list here??

[@linders2000]

How much special units do they have?? Hope they do this for every chapter (loyal or chaos) once in the coming years...

[@MRLOLLAST123]

He did the intercessors, inceptors and infiltrators, why not the rest of the gang as supressors, aggressors, invictors, swiftclaws, and whatever they are all called. I guess maybe he has not used them. Anyways, I am intrigued at adding a whirlwind to have even more fight last and to be able to reach out and touch things like repentia and wytches when they are out of their transports and hiding.

[@Bigchungus1987]

My brother used his stormfang and alpha strikes my knight valiant (28 wounds) in one round, their fire power with the melta arrays is nuts

[@AevasHouse]

Bjorns story is so sad. Also for my Wolf Guard I made my pack leader. Dual wield melee wepons and if you run a successor chapter and still want the berserk charge you just need to have the inheritors of the primarch chapter tactic and choose space wolves

[@frolakatov7826]

any thoughts on heavy intercessors?

[@sivalgamechannel6618]

cen you make a tou tier list?

[@Shadowwolf1129]

Bjorn is one of the best units in our Chapter period.

[@lemminggamez5794]

I equip my skyclaws with meltas (the ones I can) and the pack leader with a combi melta. In the last game I had they wiped my opponent's armor as they left it unguarded, their quite handy if your opponent hasn't seen them before. Otherwise useless as they will die in one turn.

[@Shaso1000]

Ork tier list please my wife wants it.

[@GreatWolfGrimnar]

Feel like WGBL on Thunderwolf should be higher since you can take 2 of them for 1 slot

[@jakevaughn7656]

Blood claws in drop pod with Lukas. Have done So much fun

[@vonplackus527]

seems like all the c tier and below units are destined to kick gum and chew ass in gauntlet

[@knabseraph]

Wolf lord (captain) on bike or jump pack with hunter is really strong, much faster than thunderwolf, and is a solid alternative

[@Truthteller024]

You made a mistake with Murderfang's charge rolls. He actually does get to re-roll his charges, which is huge for him. It's in his data sheet in 9th edition. I run him in my Space Wolves army most of the time.

[@boti6447]

Finally! I've been waiting for this

[@graemecollin]

Have they downgraded the Wolf Priests/Ulrik the Slayer into basic Chaplains, instead of cross Chaplain/Apothecaries? If that's the case, does that mean that Space Wolves now get access to Apothecaries?

[@tardigrade8019]

Lukas' pelt is like transhuman but for the hit roll, not the hit roll. Also he does get the re-roll from his own aura, as it procks off his Blood Claw keyword.

[@gonzalosarriessanz270]

The access to marines codex was neat but it came with the cost of loosing the fenrisian identity of the wolves :"(

[@dorukhanozen2580]

I've never played TTRPG nor do I plan to regardless love the episodes and Space Wolves. I play Warhammer Combat Cards and Logan Grimnar and Njall Stormborn are also great over there.

[@stevenschnepp576]

Warhammer is a wargame, not an RPG.

[@dylanmarhafer9054]

You can literally load a venerable out like a wulfen its just better idk how you ranked wulfen dread higher when a venerable can do same but +2 +2 and a built in fnp

[@dcal3864]

Do chariots benefit from cover? Logan on stormrider may not benefit if he touches cover.

[@knightofthefallen7416]

Chariots do not benefit from Light Cover from terrain.

[@Angarian.7389]

I'd make the arguement that the Hounds of Morkai are significantly worse than your placement on your list for the reason that they are an Elite choice. As a wolves player, you have to know how quickly you will fill your Elites slot, so the Hounds trying to fight for that posistion isn't doing them an favors. Tag onto that their extremely niche abilities and you have a unit that only performs well in 1 or 2 particualr situations, as opposed to Bladeguard or Wolfguard Termies, which are solid all around. Additionally, for 10pts less you can use Agents of the Imperium and bring the Anti-Psycher Assasin, who is argueably better than the Hounds (while also saving an Elites slot). The Hounds are maybe bottom of C tier to D tier at best, and reliant on a meta that realistically doesn't exist anywhere.

[@Crembaw]

The meta exists in my store.

[@RezaQin]

It's Wolf time! Woof Woof Woof!!!

[@AJ-kn6xm]

Where are regular intercessors???

[@papacass8918]

Don’t agree with storm wolf being low tier. It is expensive in 9th but you can drop a full blood claw unit with Lucas like with the drop ship and then do some hit and run with default load out for some extra dps and split enemy attention. I wouldn’t run more than 1 unless it’s a bigger game (over 2000 pts) but it can play a strong role. I would have put in high C tier. Would be a B with the previous point cost

[@yoyoyo9669]

yes! i have been waiting for this!

[@namewastaken360]

Venerable Dreadnaughts can take the blizzard shields, axes, and claws. 2+ws so axe cleave hits on 2s and has a 5+ FNP and smoke launches. Only move 6 whereas Wulfen dreads are 8 though

[@nickchilds8977]

Where the suppressors at mann

[@pineapple4112]

Tier list of chapter masters and their champions

[@sebbonxxsebbon6824]

I love my Thunderwolf Cavalry

[@luckylarry71]

must be cold in that room

[@mediocrestreams3284]

*pumping fists* WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF

[@tnttv5360]

How are there allready old primaris dreadnaught? These guys must suck so hard to get massacred that early on duty.

[@shadowsketch926]

i mean being a primaris doesn't exclude you from the possibility of death, and let's not forget the fact the space wolves are very much a YOLO melee chapter

[@alecmiller5296]

YES my Chad wolf bois

[@tnttv5360]

I really like bricky, but here is a warning. When the SoB tier list comes and our glorious saint isn't on the top of S Tier, heretics gonna burn. Saint Celestine for Saint Tier.

[@avatarpan]

This list makes me question whether you actually play Space Wolfs.

[@vincentsander9927]

Which rule causes Bladeguard Vets to hit on 2+ when they are Space Wolves?

[@karlvallerand1004]

if all models from your army are in the space wolves chapter, your whole army gets 2 buffs. 1: +1 to hit in melee if charged, was charged at or heroicly intervened and 2: All your units can do an heroic intervention as if they were characters. The +1 to hit buff makes most elites hit on 2+ in melee. Space marines codex p.94

[@vincentsander9927]

@@karlvallerand1004 Ahhh^^ Hunters Unleashed... didn't find that in the Space Wolves Codex Supplement cause it's in the original Space Marine Codex. Thx mate ;)

[@buzzar8441]

Great apart from the 5 seconds spent on ven dread lol

[@TravelerMastermind]

I disagree with the Incursors vs. Infiltrators. I think the 12" deny is a bit situational for the Wolves, as you mostly WANT the enmy close. Plus Incursors ignore cover while pewpewing....and have -1 AP in melee. Incursors are my first choice. Bladeguard Vets are overrated, as are the Eradicators. They will get focused hard, and I agree they underperform. A-tier on paper, B-C on the battlefield is my take. WOlves rock (at least currently, but don't they kinda always? ;-)

[@joeogg8105]

Bjorn doesn’t have captain key word you can field him and another captain and use wisdom of ancients I think is name of stratagem to give reroll 1 on hit and wound rolls

[@Enos666]

Did you forget the visuals for each unit?

[@loganjohnson5322]

Sisters would be awesome, loving these girls lists

[@diegobrando3430]

Blood Angels Tier List now

[@sarcasticnecron6663]

I kind of don’t understand why people put models with slow movement low on tier list

[@grzegorzskowyra9964]

Ven dred can also take blizzard shield, and have fnp 6+++

[@slaysnow1694]

Chaos Space Marines next

[@madisp3344]

I would love a gloomspite gitz tier lost but thats AoS